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adamblacksheep
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"low Birth Weight" Paradox Question
Posted: 10-28-06 17:11pm
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I've done reading here and there on the
subject but there is somthing i'm not sure
if I understand correctly. Maybe someone
could help...
It sounds like statisticlly mothers who
smoke have babies with a lower survival
rate. Also, babies with a low birth
weight have a low survival rate.
But it sounds like, and here is where i'm
not sure understand, low birth weight
babies born to mothers who smoke, have a
survival rate equal to that of babies born
with an average weight???
Anyone know about this??
Thanks
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Mabel
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Re: "low Birth Weight" Paradox Question
Posted: 10-28-06 17:24pm
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| adamblacksheep
wrote: | i've done reading here and
there on the subject but there is somthing
i'm not sure if I understand correctly.
Maybe someone could help...
It sounds like statisticlly mothers who
smoke have babies with a lower survival
rate. Also, babies with a low birth
weight have a low survival rate.
But it sounds like, and here is where i'm
not sure understand, low birth weight
babies born to mothers who smoke, have a
survival rate equal to that of babies born
with an average weight???
Anyone know about this??
Thanks |
how could this forum have provided you
with that information? Maybe a google
search is in order?
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Nataliachick7
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Re: "low Birth Weight" Paradox Question
Posted: 10-28-06 17:47pm
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| adamblacksheep
wrote: | i've done reading here and
there on the subject but there is somthing
i'm not sure if I understand correctly.
Maybe someone could help...
It sounds like statisticlly mothers who
smoke have babies with a lower survival
rate. Also, babies with a low birth
weight have a low survival rate.
But it sounds like, and here is where i'm
not sure understand, low birth weight
babies born to mothers who smoke, have a
survival rate equal to that of babies born
with an average weight???
Anyone know about this??
Thanks |
where are you getting your info from.
Bottom line is, dont smoke if youre
pregnant, unless you are that stupid and
want to take a chance.
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adamblacksheep
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Posted: 10-28-06 19:09pm
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I didn't get the info on this website,
there are websites dedicated to the
subject, it's in wikipedia, it's all
over.
I know smoking while pregnant is risky,
that was not my question.
There is a physiological/statistical
phenomenon called "lbw paradox", try it on
google search. I'd post a link but I dont
know how.
I've read about it on a few websites, but
I don't understand if what is being said
is that lbw babies born to moms who smoke
have the same survival rate, or just
slightly lower.
It is called a paradox for a reason and
the reason is that...
1. Statisticly babies who have moms that
smoke have less of a chance at
surviving.
2. Statisticlly babies who are born "lbw
babies" have less of a chance at
surviving.
- now here
is the paradox-
and i'm not
sure if I understand
3. Statisticly babies who are lbw, but
who also have moms that smoke have the
same chance at survival as otherwise
healthy babies(?)
I dont know if its the same chance, I was
hoping someone might've read the same
thing and could clarify it for me.
I will sub-quote/para-phrase the pages I
read in that it was said that lbw babies
who have moms that smoke cigarettes seem
to be at an advantage to lbw babies who
don't smoke. Thus it is called a paradox
the part I dont understand is if the
survival rate is equal.
Anyone who has read and understands
please post a reply.
Thanks
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adamblacksheep
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Posted: 10-28-06 20:14pm
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Ok here it is...
Eb.Niehs.Nih.Gov/bwt/subcpara.Htm
that wasn't too hard
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Mabel
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Posted: 10-28-06 20:27pm
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| adamblacksheep
wrote: | i didn't get the info on
this website, there are websites dedicated
to the subject, it's in wikipedia, it's
all over.
I know smoking while pregnant is risky,
that was not my question.
There is a physiological/statistical
phenomenon called "lbw paradox", try it on
google search. I'd post a link but I
dont know how.
I've read about it on a few websites, but
I don't understand if what is being said
is that lbw babies born to moms who smoke
have the same survival rate, or just
slightly lower.
It is called a paradox for a reason and
the reason is that...
1. Statisticly babies who have moms that
smoke have less of a chance at
surviving.
2. Statisticlly babies who are born "lbw
babies" have less of a chance at
surviving.
- now here
is the paradox-
and i'm not
sure if I understand
3. Statisticly babies who are lbw, but
who also have moms that smoke have the
same chance at survival as otherwise
healthy babies(?)
I dont know if its the same chance, I was
hoping someone might've read the same
thing and could clarify it for me.
I will sub-quote/para-phrase the pages I
read in that it was said that lbw babies
who have moms that smoke cigarettes seem
to be at an advantage to lbw babies who
don't smoke. Thus it is called a
paradox
the part I dont understand is if the
survival rate is equal.
Anyone who has read and understands
please post a reply.
Thanks |
i doubt it would be the 'same'. If lbw
babies are statistically at a higher risk.
And moms who smoke have higher risk
infants. Then why would lbw babies with
smoking mothers be 'equal' to otherwise
average birth weight babies who do not
have the same health/weight/smoking risks.
It seems kind of like too many statistics
could have been brought into play. If we
know smoking is bad for us, why do it when
pregnant? Considering there is risk to a
fetus and what could potentially
happen, it seems like a no brainer.
People can make statistics say anything
they want, they just have to use the right
group of people to pull them from.
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Posted: 10-28-06 20:40pm
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I don't even understand the point in
posting about this.
Not trying to be rude, adamblacksheep.
But it seems irrelevent.
The statistics don't matter.
Just don't smoke if you don't want a lbw
baby.
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adamblacksheep
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Posted: 10-28-06 20:58pm
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I am not posting "about" this...I'm asking
about this and I have reasons for wanting
to know.
I'm not trying to figure out if pregneant
women should risk smoking, because
sometimes the infant is ok even tho it is
small.
Who said anything about that?
Women who smoke lower the over all
perinatal survival rate of the babies they
are with, I am not saying otherwise, I am
not trying to find a loophole, what is
giving any of you this opinion.
Fine yes! Don"t smoke while youre with
child.
That is a good idea.
Now my question is this. (to anyone who
is not opinionated but informed or who
would take the time to use the adress or
the search engine to inform
themselves...)
it seems to be a fact that babies who are
2000g. To 3000g. Are at a lower risk if
they have moms who smoke than babies of
the same weight who do not have smoking
moms.(i do not think if the mom starts to
smoke because the baby she is with is
small, the same is true), but the
literature dosn't say weather they are at
the same as average weight babies or
slightly lower or what, or if it does I am
not seeing it, so could some one please
explain?
Thanks
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Mabel
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Posted: 10-28-06 21:02pm
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Opinionated?

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Posted: 10-28-06 21:02pm
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Perhaps your source is unreliable.
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adamblacksheep
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Posted: 10-28-06 21:03pm
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Here is one of the address once again for
anyone interested in reading before
posting..
Eb.Niehs.Nih.Gov/bwt/subcpara.Htm
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Bridget
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Posted: 10-28-06 21:05pm
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| adamblacksheep
wrote: | | blahblahblahblahblahblahblah
... So could some one please
explain? |
why are you asking us? Why don't you
research it more? I can't be bothered to
go looking up things that you could just
be reading yourself.
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adamblacksheep
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Posted: 10-28-06 21:07pm
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I don't have "a" source, I have
several...
If you think the webpage i've provided is
bunk, than I implore you to use you're
search engine.
Enter in "lbw paradox" this is what the
actual phenomenon is titled in the medical
world.
Yes, opinionated is what it is called
when you make comments from a place of
inexperience or with out informing your
self...
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Posted: 10-28-06 21:09pm
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| adamblacksheep
wrote: | i don't have "a" source, I
have several...
If you think the webpage i've provided is
bunk, than I implore you to use you're
search engine.
Enter in "lbw paradox" this is what the
actual phenomenon is titled in the medical
world. |
i don't think any of us care...
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adamblacksheep
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Posted: 10-28-06 21:11pm
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I'm not asking you, I specificlly said,
anyone who knows or would care to read
it.
But you can be bothered to post a
statement for no reason, just for the sake
of posting??
I am asking here because I thought this
was a forum for people to discuss
physiology, health, epidimology etc.
Turns out to be a buncch of locker room
quacking, so this place is what it has
become, but I think these forums were
established for people who have genuine
medical questions
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Mabel
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Posted: 10-28-06 21:11pm
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A yahoo search on lbw paradox brings up 7
web pages, but some look like they could
be from the exact same 'source'.
Since you have been so handy at
researching this, maybe you already have
your answer...
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adamblacksheep
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Posted: 10-28-06 21:13pm
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Whats up with you people? Why are you so
offensive and nasty, all i'm doing is
asking a question?
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adamblacksheep
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Posted: 10-28-06 21:16pm
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Try a google search, it's also in
wikipedia etc..
Anyway I have researched it myself to the
extent that I can, i've read it several
times over but as said the facts seem
vague to me so I came to this "medical
questions forum" to see if anyone knew
anything about it. I didn't ask anyone to
do it for me.
If you don't know then why are you
posting here just to be meen?
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adamblacksheep
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Posted: 10-28-06 21:21pm
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Some one said
"idon't think any of us care"
some one is so lonley that they saw some
meager activity in one of the forums
titled, "a question she dosn't care
about", some one is lonley because she
exhibits anti-social behaviour,
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Posted: 10-28-06 21:21pm
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You have called me opinionated and 'meen'.

and, to clarify, you did ask us to
research it for you by posting the link
and then telling us if we chose not to
read the 'research', then we should not
respond.
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