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November 1st, 2006
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When I fell pregnant, 2 and a half years ago, it was not planned and I was totally in shock. However, I didn't for a moment think of not telling my then fiance. Maybe that was because I knew I could rely on him and trust him to support me. I knew I could not abort and I also knew that my then fiance would have hated me to have aborted.

If I were to have an unplanned pregnancy now and I did want an abortion (which I wouldn't) then I would find it hard to tell my husband because I know he would be against the idea. However, I would not keep it from him. We are married and love each other and I know that he would support me in my decision, even if it hurt him terribly.

I don't think it's right to lie to your partner about aborting their child; they have a right to know in my opinion. As paganangel stated though, i'm only speaking of loving relationships and not abusive ones.
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Re: Possible to Be Both?
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ayamiyaki wrote:
mature answers, please. I'm not trying to start conflict, just curious about your opinions.






I personally don't agree with abortion, but I do think a woman should have the right to choose. Is this considered pro-choice, or does it fall into a grey area between pro-choice and pro-life?




Just to clarify "choice"

everyone makes choices knowing that something good or bad can come out of it, if you make a bad choice well you learn from it the same as a good choice.


People dont pressure people in abortion it is a choice if you want to talk about peer pressure than when someone says no that part is done its all about saying no so they do have a choice. I have been pressured into stuff and you know what I got in !**@! for it because I could have easily said no.


If you commit a crime and say you were pressured into it the judge will still throw you in jail cause you could have walked away or said no/just not did it. I dont agree with you views I truly dont think every woman feels like you maybe some do but not every woman.


I wont turn my head to truth some woman may regret abortion or have feelings of guilt that is the truth but not 100% of woman, I had a misscarriage and personally dont feel bad at all<is actually relieved> cause it is just the wrong time!




Is it possible to support a woman's right to choose without agreeing with the choice she makes?


when people talk about "choice" and they respect their decision I often wonder what the word "choice" represents. I woudl like to belive that choosing would involve desiring and chieving something without an external pressures. If a woman had this opportunity to have no prassures (while being preganant) I doubt she would make that decission.

I would have problem to support something I am in disagreement with.

Unless of course your support is more like "uncoditional love", then yes you can do that. You can love her(and welcome her with open heart) even though you disagree what what she does. I think if I had to chose wording I would say: "i can't fully support you in your decision, but I want you to know that I love you very much and no matter what happens I will be there for you when you need me."

i am not sure whether this woudl fall into prolife or prochoice. But does it matter?


choice is a right given to people, in life you make good or bad choice one which comes with greatness and the other consequences.

In regards to pressure, its possible but if you commit a crime and say you did it because you were pressured you will still go to jail, you will still suffer the consequences.

We as human have the right to say "no" in which case in regards to abortion a woman has a right to say no just as we have the right to say no to adoption and pregnancy!

I am not for abortion but id rather see legal abortion where a woman will not die, remeber this it is her body and her chocie to do as she so please. Not everywoman will feel regret to an abortion but what about when a woman feels remorse/guilt for a pregnancy?

If you regret your abortion thats okay you have the right but you dont have a right to tell woman they will all feel regret or maybe that they are not healthy for not regretting their abortion!
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paganangel wrote:
eiri wrote:
paganangel wrote:
eiri wrote:
nightangel73 wrote:
cowboys wrote:
when I was a teenager I got my then girlfriend pregnant, I found out that she was pregnant in a pub when she told me that she had had an abortion, that was the first I knew that she was even pregnant, so from that moment on I have fought for men to have some right in reproductive choice, not that my lone voice has changed anything.


wow cowboys. You know I have yet to understand how come women be like that. I mean if I just even think i'm pregnant the first I will run to tell is my bf. My coworker had a similar situation except that the lady did not abort but she didn't told him she was pregnant until after birth when the baby was a month old. She had moved to other state so she didn't had more contact with him during her pregnancy. I'm like my god how can a woman have this attitude. And he is been a great father to the child, don't understand why she didn't tell him. I could not possibly imagine someone telling me such news, missing my child's birth and everything. That is so rude.


even i, in my fear and scare earlier this year, was open with my boyfriend, tellign him what had happened on the pills. I don't know if I could have told him if I had aborted, but I would have wanted himt ot be there.


eiri--how could you not tell him if you had aborted? Isn't this the man you want to marry? If you truly want a relationship to work..You have to be totally honest especially with an issue as big as that. ...Big secrets lead to big disasters (such as divorce)


have you ever been in that situation? Have you ever thought you were pregnant while with a boyfriend? Have you ever felt those emotions, and not known what to do?



If not, then you have no right to tell me how I should have felt at the time. I just wantd te problem to go away and things to be like they were before. That involved telling as few people as possible. My boyfriend trusts me to properly take my pills, and I betrayed that trust, even thought it was an accident.


touchy aren't we?


duh. It's an emotional subject.

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yes actually I have been in the same situation..I've had a pregnancy scare...Been freaked out..Wondering what the !**@! am I gonna do now? But I told my then boyfriend what I was going to do.


i didn't tell him what I was going to do because I hadn't made a desicion yet, and I didn't even know I was pregnant. I was saving that discussion for once I actually knew if I was or not. As I found out I wasn't, that discussion wasn't necessary. He already knows I am pro-choice, so he pretty much knows what my first desire would be in a situation like that.

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i would have never snuck around behind his back.


i didn't either. I came right out and told him what had happened on the pills, and that I didn't know yet if I was pregnant. I felt it was uncecessary to cause a possible fight over abortion when I didn't even know if I was pregnant.

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trust involves telling the truth and not hiding things as large as a pregnancy from your significant other.


i didn't hide it!! Obviously you don't read either. I told him immediately what was going on. I distinctly said I didn't know what I would have done, and I didn't know if not telling him would have been one of the answers. I also said I would have wanted him to be there, which obviously implies that I would have told him. So your entire rant at me about the trust that he and I already have, that you think we don't have, has absolutely no point.

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[...] oh and for the pc's that will come on here and say "well what if she were being abused and such and such"....I'm talking about a loving commited relationship where two people are supposed to be honest with each other.


i feel trust is impotant too, which is why I told him what was going on. it turns out there was no pregnancy to hide, so that's not even the issue here.
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diamondsz wrote:
ayamiyaki wrote:
mature answers, please. I'm not trying to start conflict, just curious about your opinions.







I personally don't agree with abortion, but I do think a woman should have the right to choose. Is this considered pro-choice, or does it fall into a grey area between pro-choice and pro-life?





Just to clarify "choice"

everyone makes choices knowing that something good or bad can come out of it, if you make a bad choice well you learn from it the same as a good choice.



People dont pressure people in abortion it is a choice if you want to talk about peer pressure than when someone says no that part is done its all about saying no so they do have a choice. I have been pressured into stuff and you know what I got in !**@! for it because I could have easily said no.



If you commit a crime and say you were pressured into it the judge will still throw you in jail cause you could have walked away or said no/just not did it. I dont agree with you views I truly dont think every woman feels like you maybe some do but not every woman.



I wont turn my head to truth some woman may regret abortion or have feelings of guilt that is the truth but not 100% of woman, I had a misscarriage and personally dont feel bad at all<is actually relieved> cause it is just the wrong time!





Is it possible to support a woman's right to choose without agreeing with the choice she makes?



.I don't recall saying that middle part... Confused
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eiri wrote:
paganangel wrote:
eiri wrote:
paganangel wrote:
eiri wrote:
nightangel73 wrote:
cowboys wrote:
when I was a teenager I got my then girlfriend pregnant, I found out that she was pregnant in a pub when she told me that she had had an abortion, that was the first I knew that she was even pregnant, so from that moment on I have fought for men to have some right in reproductive choice, not that my lone voice has changed anything.


wow cowboys. You know I have yet to understand how come women be like that. I mean if I just even think i'm pregnant the first I will run to tell is my bf. My coworker had a similar situation except that the lady did not abort but she didn't told him she was pregnant until after birth when the baby was a month old. She had moved to other state so she didn't had more contact with him during her pregnancy. I'm like my god how can a woman have this attitude. And he is been a great father to the child, don't understand why she didn't tell him. I could not possibly imagine someone telling me such news, missing my child's birth and everything. That is so rude.


even i, in my fear and scare earlier this year, was open with my boyfriend, tellign him what had happened on the pills. I don't know if I could have told him if I had aborted, but I would have wanted himt ot be there.


eiri--how could you not tell him if you had aborted? Isn't this the man you want to marry? If you truly want a relationship to work..You have to be totally honest especially with an issue as big as that. ...Big secrets lead to big disasters (such as divorce)


have you ever been in that situation? Have you ever thought you were pregnant while with a boyfriend? Have you ever felt those emotions, and not known what to do?




If not, then you have no right to tell me how I should have felt at the time. I just wantd te problem to go away and things to be like they were before. That involved telling as few people as possible. My boyfriend trusts me to properly take my pills, and I betrayed that trust, even thought it was an accident.


touchy aren't we?


duh. It's an emotional subject.


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yes actually I have been in the same situation..I've had a pregnancy scare...Been freaked out..Wondering what the !**@! am I gonna do now? But I told my then boyfriend what I was going to do.


i didn't tell him what I was going to do because I hadn't made a desicion yet, and I didn't even know I was pregnant. I was saving that discussion for once I actually knew if I was or not. As I found out I wasn't, that discussion wasn't necessary. He already knows I am pro-choice, so he pretty much knows what my first desire would be in a situation like that.


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i would have never snuck around behind his back.


i didn't either. I came right out and told him what had happened on the pills, and that I didn't know yet if I was pregnant. I felt it was uncecessary to cause a possible fight over abortion when I didn't even know if I was pregnant.


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trust involves telling the truth and not hiding things as large as a pregnancy from your significant other.


i didn't hide it!! Obviously you don't read either. I told him immediately what was going on. I distinctly said I didn't know what I would have done, and I didn't know if not telling him would have been one of the answers. I also said I would have wanted him to be there, which obviously implies that I would have told him. So your entire rant at me about the trust that he and I already have, that you think we don't have, has absolutely no point.


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[...] oh and for the pc's that will come on here and say "well what if she were being abused and such and such"....I'm talking about a loving commited relationship where two people are supposed to be honest with each other.


i feel trust is impotant too, which is why I told him what was going on. it turns out there was no pregnancy to hide, so that's not even the issue here.



your statement was that if you had had had an abortion that you didn't know if you would have told him or not. Why would you not have told him? You went off on all of these other issues that had nothing to do with the question asked....Is that just your way of avoiding the question?

My question is that if you supposedly love someone so much how could you contemplate keeping something like that from them.
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paganangel wrote:
eiri wrote:
paganangel wrote:
eiri wrote:
paganangel wrote:
eiri wrote:
nightangel73 wrote:
cowboys wrote:
when I was a teenager I got my then girlfriend pregnant, I found out that she was pregnant in a pub when she told me that she had had an abortion, that was the first I knew that she was even pregnant, so from that moment on I have fought for men to have some right in reproductive choice, not that my lone voice has changed anything.


wow cowboys. You know I have yet to understand how come women be like that. I mean if I just even think i'm pregnant the first I will run to tell is my bf. My coworker had a similar situation except that the lady did not abort but she didn't told him she was pregnant until after birth when the baby was a month old. She had moved to other state so she didn't had more contact with him during her pregnancy. I'm like my god how can a woman have this attitude. And he is been a great father to the child, don't understand why she didn't tell him. I could not possibly imagine someone telling me such news, missing my child's birth and everything. That is so rude.


even i, in my fear and scare earlier this year, was open with my boyfriend, tellign him what had happened on the pills. I don't know if I could have told him if I had aborted, but I would have wanted himt ot be there.


eiri--how could you not tell him if you had aborted? Isn't this the man you want to marry? If you truly want a relationship to work..You have to be totally honest especially with an issue as big as that. ...Big secrets lead to big disasters (such as divorce)


have you ever been in that situation? Have you ever thought you were pregnant while with a boyfriend? Have you ever felt those emotions, and not known what to do?





If not, then you have no right to tell me how I should have felt at the time. I just wantd te problem to go away and things to be like they were before. That involved telling as few people as possible. My boyfriend trusts me to properly take my pills, and I betrayed that trust, even thought it was an accident.


touchy aren't we?


duh. It's an emotional subject.



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yes actually I have been in the same situation..I've had a pregnancy scare...Been freaked out..Wondering what the !**@! am I gonna do now? But I told my then boyfriend what I was going to do.


i didn't tell him what I was going to do because I hadn't made a desicion yet, and I didn't even know I was pregnant. I was saving that discussion for once I actually knew if I was or not. As I found out I wasn't, that discussion wasn't necessary. He already knows I am pro-choice, so he pretty much knows what my first desire would be in a situation like that.



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i would have never snuck around behind his back.


i didn't either. I came right out and told him what had happened on the pills, and that I didn't know yet if I was pregnant. I felt it was uncecessary to cause a possible fight over abortion when I didn't even know if I was pregnant.



Quote:
trust involves telling the truth and not hiding things as large as a pregnancy from your significant other.


i didn't hide it!! Obviously you don't read either. I told him immediately what was going on. I distinctly said I didn't know what I would have done, and I didn't know if not telling him would have been one of the answers. I also said I would have wanted him to be there, which obviously implies that I would have told him. So your entire rant at me about the trust that he and I already have, that you think we don't have, has absolutely no point.



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[...] oh and for the pc's that will come on here and say "well what if she were being abused and such and such"....I'm talking about a loving commited relationship where two people are supposed to be honest with each other.


i feel trust is impotant too, which is why I told him what was going on. it turns out there was no pregnancy to hide, so that's not even the issue here.



your statement was that if you had had had an abortion that you didn't know if you would have told him or not. Why would you not have told him? You went off on all of these other issues that had nothing to do with the question asked....Is that just your way of avoiding the question?

My question is that if you supposedly love someone so much how could you contemplate keeping something like that from them.


why? Because I was terrified, would have not wanted to lose him over it... But I do feel I would have told him, now looking back on it. However, in the situation, those fears seem a lot more logical than they do outside the fear.
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replied December 18th, 2009
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Being pro-choice can also be personally pro-life. So since you are in favor of choice rather than abortion you would be pro-choice.
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replied December 29th, 2009
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I agree with what someone said earlier, you're anti-abortion but pro-choice. And that's perfectly fine. You have no obligation to support another woman's choice to abort but you respect her decision to do so. You respect that right. Thats all that really matters.

Not every person who is pro-choice is someone who would abort.
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