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Mature answers, please. I'm not trying to start conflict, just curious about your opinions.

I personally don't agree with abortion, but I do think a woman should have the right to choose. Is this considered pro-choice, or does it fall into a grey area between pro-choice and pro-life?

Is it possible to support a woman's right to choose without agreeing with the choice she makes?
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replied October 10th, 2006
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mature answers, please. I'm not trying to start conflict, just curious about your opinions.


I personally don't agree with abortion, but I do think a woman should have the right to choose. Is this considered pro-choice, or does it fall into a grey area between pro-choice and pro-life?


Is it possible to support a woman's right to choose without agreeing with the choice she makes?


that would just make you pro-choice because you still support the right to choose even if you wouldn't make the same choice for yourself.
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ayamiyaki wrote:
mature answers, please. I'm not trying to start conflict, just curious about your opinions.

I personally don't agree with abortion, but I do think a woman should have the right to choose. Is this considered pro-choice, or does it fall into a grey area between pro-choice and pro-life?

Is it possible to support a woman's right to choose without agreeing with the choice she makes?


i believe this falls into the realm of pro-choice, because you believe a woman should have the choice to chose. You have simply chosen not to, for yourself. That's as pro-choice as it gets.

Yes, it is always possible to support a right, without always agreeing with it.

"i may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to do it."
~ voltaire
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ayamiyaki wrote:
mature answers, please. I'm not trying to start conflict, just curious about your opinions.


I personally don't agree with abortion, but I do think a woman should have the right to choose. Is this considered pro-choice, or does it fall into a grey area between pro-choice and pro-life?
I would consider it prochoice.

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is it possible to support a woman's right to choose without agreeing with the choice she makes?
yes. I disagree with some people's choices to even have children (before they become pregnant). A young woman called me at work, I had met her out at a fair where we had a booth. She came to see me because she wanted to get pregnant, had been trying for a year, and hadn't yet been successful. When I suggested that she see a nearby obstetrician, she said that she did not have health insurance and couldn't afford the ob's uninsured price.

To me, it is irresponsible to have children at all when you do not have health care. But, because I support everyone's inate rights to decide for themselves when they are ready to become parents, I put her in touch with our appointments line and set her up with a fertility consultation to help her out.
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ayamiyaki wrote:
mature answers, please. I'm not trying to start conflict, just curious about your opinions.


I personally don't agree with abortion, but I do think a woman should have the right to choose. Is this considered pro-choice, or does it fall into a grey area between pro-choice and pro-life?


Is it possible to support a woman's right to choose without agreeing with the choice she makes?


i also fall into this grey area because I hate the fact that elective abortions are so commonplace and would not terminate my own baby except, maybe, for medical reasons. I think education is the key. If we can just stop so many unwanted pregnancies happening in the first place, it would be a start.

I get so angry when I hear about women that have an abortion and then get pregnant again and have have another abortion and so on. I understand that contraception is not 100% but some women are just plain stupid because they do not use any and I have no sympathy for them. I only feel sorry for their unborn child that is created and then killed without a second bloody thought. I would rather that the child was not created in the first place than it be aborted or even given up for adoption.
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Aya your pro-choice, alot of people dont agree with abortion but giving the woman the choice to have one makes you pro-choice.

Personally, I have both my wee ones but I like the fact that I have a choice if I need it to get an abortion!
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ayamiyaki wrote:
mature answers, please. I'm not trying to start conflict, just curious about your opinions.


I personally don't agree with abortion, but I do think a woman should have the right to choose. Is this considered pro-choice, or does it fall into a grey area between pro-choice and pro-life?


Is it possible to support a woman's right to choose without agreeing with the choice she makes?



i am pro life for myself but don't care what others do its not my life, I have had this argument before, you call yourself what you wish, if you want to call yourself pro choice or pro life then dont let anyone tell you what you are.
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i am pro life for myself but don't care what others do its not my life, I have had this argument before, you call yourself what you wish, if you want to call yourself pro choice or pro life then dont let anyone tell you what you are.


do you really mean this? If you are pro-life for yourself and even if you accept it is the individual's choice to make, doesn't it bother you when you hear of women having abortions? There must be a reason why you are pro-life - you must care, surely?
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i am pro life for myself but don't care what others do its not my life, I have had this argument before, you call yourself what you wish, if you want to call yourself pro choice or pro life then dont let anyone tell you what you are.


do you really mean this? If you are pro-life for yourself and even if you accept it is the individual's choice to make, doesn't it bother you when you hear of women having abortions? There must be a reason why you are pro-life - you must care, surely?



yes it does bother me, anyone dying man, woman or child bothers me, I care but also realize two things, abortion will always need to be legal even if just for serious medical problems, second I know that I cannot decide for someone else as they cannot decide for me.I am pro life because I do not think anyone has the right to deprive someone else of the basic right to life, whether that be legal execution or terrorists it is all wrong.Laws are made by the goverment of the time based on what they believe that the public want [ though we all know just how out of touch they are ].When I was a teenager I got my then girlfriend pregnant, I found out that she was pregnant in a pub when she told me that she had had an abortion, that was the first I knew that she was even pregnant, so from that moment on I have fought for men to have some right in reproductive choice, not that my lone voice has changed anything.
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I believe it makes you pro-choice(my opinion also) you care about others opinions, you are open minded and understanding to others needs.
What happens if abortion becomes illegal and their becomes a situation where the abortion is medically necessary then you have to wait around for all the red tape that you have to go through and by that time the fetus or baby(whatever you wish to call it) dies along with its mother when the abortion could have been done, no questions asked.
No, I am not 100% for abortion but I believe that with all of the abuse and the negative things that are going on that females should have a choice especially when it is necessary. I am pro-choice and I have two kids, now they are grown and on their own but they are still my kids and I still worry and they are doing great and I do not love them any less. I love kids and I love to see them to be treated correctly. After working as a nurse and a social service worker and just being around for awhile you see alot! (just my thoughts though)
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You may not agree with her but you can still suggest things to her such as if she was getting beaten on or abused or cheated on you can suggest places for her to go to get help, keeping in mind that we are not here to judge but we are here to help. I am not here to bash you! You seem like a nice person and I believe you have a baby on the way and I respect that! Just like, you made your choice, to continue on with your pregnancy and that is great, to me that too is being part of pro-choice. Getting pregnant doesn't always make every female a good .Mom-to-be and I realize that no one is perfect but some female's know and some female's are full blown alchoholics and drug addicts along with other problems.
So I will stop now(lol).
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ayamiyaki wrote:
mature answers, please. I'm not trying to start conflict, just curious about your opinions.


I personally don't agree with abortion, but I do think a woman should have the right to choose. Is this considered pro-choice, or does it fall into a grey area between pro-choice and pro-life?


Is it possible to support a woman's right to choose without agreeing with the choice she makes?
thats what pro choice is all about hun.Even if you don't agree with it,your still for them making their own choice!
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Thanks everyone. Wink

i've always considered myself to be anti-abortion but pro-choice (if that makes any sense). I just wasn't sure if they were polar opposites or not. My sympathies lie firstly with the fetus (who I consider to be completely innocent of the circumstances of its creation), but I also sympathize with the mother. I could never in good conscience tell someone what to do with their own body and life. I can only decide for myself.

Again, thank you.
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It's a completely understandable point of view. Some people consider them polar opposites, but the thing about "true" pro-life and anti-abortion groups is that they don't care about the freedom to chose; they believe no woman should have that right (unless, in some cases, she's going to die. And a sparingly few are alright with it in cases of rape). I don't mean for it to sound bad, but that's the base of it. Pro-choice feels the woman should have the right to abort, whether or not you personally think aborting is right. Pro-life does not want that right to be available.
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when I was a teenager I got my then girlfriend pregnant, I found out that she was pregnant in a pub when she told me that she had had an abortion, that was the first I knew that she was even pregnant, so from that moment on I have fought for men to have some right in reproductive choice, not that my lone voice has changed anything.


wow cowboys. You know I have yet to understand how come women be like that. I mean if I just even think i'm pregnant the first I will run to tell is my bf. My coworker had a similar situation except that the lady did not abort but she didn't told him she was pregnant until after birth when the baby was a month old. She had moved to other state so she didn't had more contact with him during her pregnancy. I'm like my god how can a woman have this attitude. And he is been a great father to the child, don't understand why she didn't tell him. I could not possibly imagine someone telling me such news, missing my child's birth and everything. That is so rude.
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cowboys wrote:
when I was a teenager I got my then girlfriend pregnant, I found out that she was pregnant in a pub when she told me that she had had an abortion, that was the first I knew that she was even pregnant, so from that moment on I have fought for men to have some right in reproductive choice, not that my lone voice has changed anything.


wow cowboys. You know I have yet to understand how come women be like that. I mean if I just even think i'm pregnant the first I will run to tell is my bf. My coworker had a similar situation except that the lady did not abort but she didn't told him she was pregnant until after birth when the baby was a month old. She had moved to other state so she didn't had more contact with him during her pregnancy. I'm like my god how can a woman have this attitude. And he is been a great father to the child, don't understand why she didn't tell him. I could not possibly imagine someone telling me such news, missing my child's birth and everything. That is so rude.


even i, in my fear and scare earlier this year, was open with my boyfriend, tellign him what had happened on the pills. I don't know if I could have told him if I had aborted, but I would have wanted himt ot be there.
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ayamiyaki wrote:
mature answers, please. I'm not trying to start conflict, just curious about your opinions.




I personally don't agree with abortion, but I do think a woman should have the right to choose. Is this considered pro-choice, or does it fall into a grey area between pro-choice and pro-life?




Is it possible to support a woman's right to choose without agreeing with the choice she makes?


when people talk about "choice" and they respect their decision I often wonder what the word "choice" represents. I woudl like to belive that choosing would involve desiring and chieving something without an external pressures. If a woman had this opportunity to have no prassures (while being preganant) I doubt she would make that decission.



I would have problem to support something I am in disagreement with.

Unless of course your support is more like "uncoditional love", then yes you can do that. You can love her(and welcome her with open heart) even though you disagree what what she does. I think if I had to chose wording I would say: "i can't fully support you in your decision, but I want you to know that I love you very much and no matter what happens I will be there for you when you need me."

i am not sure whether this woudl fall into prolife or prochoice. But does it matter?
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nightangel73 wrote:
cowboys wrote:
when I was a teenager I got my then girlfriend pregnant, I found out that she was pregnant in a pub when she told me that she had had an abortion, that was the first I knew that she was even pregnant, so from that moment on I have fought for men to have some right in reproductive choice, not that my lone voice has changed anything.


wow cowboys. You know I have yet to understand how come women be like that. I mean if I just even think i'm pregnant the first I will run to tell is my bf. My coworker had a similar situation except that the lady did not abort but she didn't told him she was pregnant until after birth when the baby was a month old. She had moved to other state so she didn't had more contact with him during her pregnancy. I'm like my god how can a woman have this attitude. And he is been a great father to the child, don't understand why she didn't tell him. I could not possibly imagine someone telling me such news, missing my child's birth and everything. That is so rude.


even i, in my fear and scare earlier this year, was open with my boyfriend, tellign him what had happened on the pills. I don't know if I could have told him if I had aborted, but I would have wanted himt ot be there.


eiri--how could you not tell him if you had aborted? Isn't this the man you want to marry? If you truly want a relationship to work..You have to be totally honest especially with an issue as big as that. ...Big secrets lead to big disasters (such as divorce)
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eiri wrote:
nightangel73 wrote:
cowboys wrote:
when I was a teenager I got my then girlfriend pregnant, I found out that she was pregnant in a pub when she told me that she had had an abortion, that was the first I knew that she was even pregnant, so from that moment on I have fought for men to have some right in reproductive choice, not that my lone voice has changed anything.


wow cowboys. You know I have yet to understand how come women be like that. I mean if I just even think i'm pregnant the first I will run to tell is my bf. My coworker had a similar situation except that the lady did not abort but she didn't told him she was pregnant until after birth when the baby was a month old. She had moved to other state so she didn't had more contact with him during her pregnancy. I'm like my god how can a woman have this attitude. And he is been a great father to the child, don't understand why she didn't tell him. I could not possibly imagine someone telling me such news, missing my child's birth and everything. That is so rude.


even i, in my fear and scare earlier this year, was open with my boyfriend, tellign him what had happened on the pills. I don't know if I could have told him if I had aborted, but I would have wanted himt ot be there.


eiri--how could you not tell him if you had aborted? Isn't this the man you want to marry? If you truly want a relationship to work..You have to be totally honest especially with an issue as big as that. ...Big secrets lead to big disasters (such as divorce)


have you ever been in that situation? Have you ever thought you were pregnant while with a boyfriend? Have you ever felt those emotions, and not known what to do?

If not, then you have no right to tell me how I should have felt at the time. I just wantd te problem to go away and things to be like they were before. That involved telling as few people as possible. My boyfriend trusts me to properly take my pills, and I betrayed that trust, even thought it was an accident.
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paganangel wrote:
eiri wrote:
nightangel73 wrote:
cowboys wrote:
when I was a teenager I got my then girlfriend pregnant, I found out that she was pregnant in a pub when she told me that she had had an abortion, that was the first I knew that she was even pregnant, so from that moment on I have fought for men to have some right in reproductive choice, not that my lone voice has changed anything.


wow cowboys. You know I have yet to understand how come women be like that. I mean if I just even think i'm pregnant the first I will run to tell is my bf. My coworker had a similar situation except that the lady did not abort but she didn't told him she was pregnant until after birth when the baby was a month old. She had moved to other state so she didn't had more contact with him during her pregnancy. I'm like my god how can a woman have this attitude. And he is been a great father to the child, don't understand why she didn't tell him. I could not possibly imagine someone telling me such news, missing my child's birth and everything. That is so rude.


even i, in my fear and scare earlier this year, was open with my boyfriend, tellign him what had happened on the pills. I don't know if I could have told him if I had aborted, but I would have wanted himt ot be there.


eiri--how could you not tell him if you had aborted? Isn't this the man you want to marry? If you truly want a relationship to work..You have to be totally honest especially with an issue as big as that. ...Big secrets lead to big disasters (such as divorce)


have you ever been in that situation? Have you ever thought you were pregnant while with a boyfriend? Have you ever felt those emotions, and not known what to do?


If not, then you have no right to tell me how I should have felt at the time. I just wantd te problem to go away and things to be like they were before. That involved telling as few people as possible. My boyfriend trusts me to properly take my pills, and I betrayed that trust, even thought it was an accident.



touchy aren't we?

Yes actually I have been in the same situation..I've had a pregnancy scare...Been freaked out..Wondering what the !**@! am I gonna do now? But I told my then boyfriend what I was going to do. I would have never snuck around behind his back. I didn't tell you how you should feel...Obviously you didn't read what I wrote.....I never said the first thing about your feelings. I stated what are pretty much facts...You have to have trust in order to have a good relationship...Trust involves telling the truth and not hiding things as large as a pregnancy from your significant other. It is true that people divorce over things such as having truth withheld from them..... lying. And if someone doesn't respect their partner enough to tell them about abortion/pregnancy..Etc.....Then maybe they should re-evaluate their relationship. And that last part is not directed at you eiri.....It's pretty much directed at everyone.

Oh and for the pc's that will come on here and say "well what if she were being abused and such and such"....I'm talking about a loving commited relationship where two people are supposed to be honest with each other.
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