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Q: a Question For a Cure...
asked by: zurick on October 9th, 2006
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As far as I know about the disease, it kills the immune system and not necessarily the human. This brings to me conclude that a common disease such as the "common cold" or whatnot will be fatal to the person. But what if that person were isolated from the rest of the world? Put in a bubble and completely separated from everything. That person will be intravenously fed. Is it possible that the virus will die out over time and the immune system of that person will be restored? Or perhaps a blood transfusion with white blood cells. Maybe that person will continue to need blood thereafter? Should the isolation work, will the immune system return to normal? Would the virus continue to replicate? What about brain damage due to hiv/aids? How long before symptoms start to show? These are all a bunch of crazy questions i've been asking myself so any help will be greatly appreciated.
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softballchick99
replied on October 9th, 2006
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Well I know a person who passed away from hiv/aids.. He had it before anyone knew about aids. He had it for about 20 years and he just barely found out about 5 months ago he had it. He has passed away now and yes it does go to your brain and leave big sores all over your brain and can kill you. It put him in a coma and he never came out of it. The doctors have found no cure for hiv/aids yet. You can have it right now and may not even know for 20 years like he did. Well I hope my answers helped you. If you would like more information just message me!
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zurick
replied on October 9th, 2006
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Well yes I know exceptions do occur in some occasions but not everyone can live 20 years with the disease. What i'm saying is what if someone had the virus and they were quarantined from everything? Then, wouldn't be very hard to contract an outside disease possibly preventing that person's death? Or will the immune system never return to normal production of white blood cells after its been exhausted?
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zurick
replied on October 9th, 2006
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A far as the brain damage goes, i'm sure scientists are working diligently on drugs to possibly slow the brain damage down if not prevent it.
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softballchick99
replied on October 9th, 2006
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No nothing will ever be normal.. Once you have it. Your stuck with it. You can take medicine to prolong your life but thats about it. When you take the medicine it wont affect you as fast.
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zurick
replied on October 9th, 2006
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Yes, I am aware of that as well. It does replicate using the person's dna thus becoming part of the host. The virus, however, only replicates in t cells. Once the virus has eradicated all of the t cells in the body, then theoretically the virus should be erraticated as well correct? This is of course my theory. What i'm wondering is if all of the t cells are depleted, and quarantine would work, would the virus continue to replicate if and only if a blood transfusion or quarantine were to work. If the virus does not replicate then the person would essentially be cured (given time to heal). However, I would doubt their health and mental status will ever be the same. They will nevertheless be cured. This is what I believe.

I've yet to be corrected or have my questions answered.
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stef46
replied on December 1st, 2006
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Hiv infects one cell at a time,thats why it takes so long for symptoms..There is one case in britian where a male has cured himself.Its no mistake and he was tested many times positive but is now clear .He took nothing for it.There is a corcasian genetic advantage in fighting the disease.Less corcasians get infected and I suspect this is how he cured himself.I will search for the credits to this.
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stef46
replied on December 1st, 2006
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By Dr. Robin kimmel, stanford university

people can be infected with many different bacteria and viruses—but some people get more sick from these bugs than others. Do our genes cause some of that difference?

The answer is yes--different versions of important genes change how easy it is for a person to be infected. The study of these genes might lead to new drugs to block or slow down an infection.

Since the 1980s many people have been afflicted with aids, caused by the virus hiv (human immunodeficiency virus). However, not everyone who is exposed to the virus gets sick. Scientists have carefully studied people who seem resistant to hiv infection. What's going on?

The answer comes from an understanding of how hiv interacts with our cells. Hiv, like all viruses, can’t make new copies of itself without help. It needs to enter cells and use their machinery to reproduce and spread throughout the body.

Hiv can only enter certain cells. How does it find the right cells? By special proteins called receptors.

Receptors sit on the outside of cells to receive messages and transmit them into the cell. Hiv grabs onto cells that have a receptor called cd4.

Cells with the cd4 receptor are an important part of the body's system for fighting all diseases (our immune system). Hiv gradually destroys these cells and cripples the immune system.


It turns out that cd4 isn’t enough. Another protein called ccr5 is needed as well. Ccr5, called a co-receptor because it works with cd4, is the door that opens to allow hiv to enter the cell.

Many people who are resistant to hiv have a mutation in the ccr5 gene called ccr5-delta32. The ccr5-delta32 mutation results in a smaller protein that isn’t on the outside of the cell anymore. Most forms of hiv cannot infect cells if there is no ccr5 on the surface.

People with two copies of the ccr5 delta32 gene (inherited from both parents) are virtually immune to hiv infection. This occurs in about 1% of caucasian people.

One copy of ccr5-delta32 seems to give some protection against infection, and makes the disease less severe if infection occurs. This is more common, it is found in up to 20% of caucasians.

Should everyone be tested for this mutation? Not necessarily. It would be dangerous to assume you are completely safe from infection if you have the ccr5-delta32 mutation.

It’s not an airtight guarantee of never getting aids. Some unusual types of hiv can use other proteins for entering cells. Rarely, there have been people who have two mutant ccr5 genes who have died from aids.

Also, ccr5 is not the whole story of immunity to hiv infection. Some resistant people have been found who have two perfectly normal copies of ccr5. So other genes also contribute to slowing down hiv infection, and scientists are busy trying to identify them.

The usefulness of this work is mainly in how it helps us understand how the virus works and points to new possibilities for drugs to treat infection.

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medicines against hiv work by gumming up some part of the infection process. If the virus can’t get into cells, or can’t make new virus, then the infection would be stopped.

Can blocking ccr5 stop hiv? Scientists are working hard to find out. Drugs are being developed that barricade the ccr5 receptor so hiv can’t use it. This thwarts the virus as it attempts to enter a cell.

However, there are many things that could go wrong. One danger is that blocking one of our own proteins to stop hiv infection might weaken our immune system.

A drug to block ccr5 may have bad side effects and make people sicker. Fortunately, this is unlikely since people lacking ccr5 seem perfectly healthy.

But blocking ccr5 is still unlikely to be a miracle cure. Why not? The reason for this lies in the special properties of hiv's genes.

Most living things carry the instructions for making themselves in dna. Hiv (and a few other viruses) uses a related molecule, rna, instead.

To make new virus, this rna has to first be copied into dna. The hiv virus carries its own unique protein for this purpose, called reverse transcriptase. (it carries out the reverse of the usual process of copying dna to make rna.)

the reverse transcriptase of hiv is very sloppy when it copies the genetic instructions. It makes lots of mistakes so that random changes frequently appear in its genes. The new viral offspring are now slightly different from the original.

Some of these viruses might not work at all. But some might work better, or infect cells in a different way.

So a form of evolution occurs--darwin’s ‘survival of the fittest’. Some of these changed viruses can evade the immune system and the drugs given for treatment.

This is how the virus becomes resistant to drugs--most viral particles are stopped by a drug but some have a mutation that lets them survive and reproduce.

How can the virus enter cells if ccr5 is blocked? A mutant virus could use a different co-receptor to get in. In fact this happens during the normal course of infection.

Ccr5 is used during early stages of infection when the hiv virus is spreading slowly. Later on the virus evolves to use a different co-receptor called cxcr4 and that’s when people get more sick.

But, the virus might not be able to easily mutate around a blocked ccr5. If the virus can’t get into cells, then very few new viral particles would be produced. This greatly decreases the chance of a mutant form being created that doesn’t use ccr5.

It's like throwing darts while blindfolded. Most darts would miss the bull’s eye unless you got very lucky. However, if you throw a whole lot of darts, there’s a greater possibility of hitting the target just by chance.
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stef46
replied on December 1st, 2006
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I think I know what your getting at..Hiv kills all the t cells,then an oppertune infection will kill the patient,because he cant fight it with his immune sytem...So we issolate the patient, so no oppertune infections can get at the patient.In other words he wont need his immune system anymore...This is interesting and if he was not harboring anything in his system .,it may work..It should be tried by researchers.
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another guy
replied on December 2nd, 2006
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The person you mention is the uk did not cure himself, it was a mistake in testing, the guy still is hiv positive.
Hiv affects the cd4 or t helper cells as they are called, the virus attacks a healthy cell mutates and replicates itself as a new mutated cell before killing the host, the normal cd4 cells are the cells that fight infection, with out them the body has no defense so an infection has free range to multiply and even kill. Most unaffected persons have about 800 to 1500 cd4 cells, but this number naturally diminishes with age, (that is why older people generally have more health issues) when infected with hiv, the norm is a decline in cd4 cell of about 50 per year, but some people have a higher or a lower loss. Art’s (anti retrovirus therapy, medication) help kill the mutations and reduce the amount of virus in the body. So to allow the healthy cd4 cell to replicate, which restores the body’s ability to stave off infection? It is also imperative that the affected individual make sure they have a healthy life style, as in eating, vitamins and exercise.
Keeping an infected person in a sterile bubble and fed intravenously would not stave of infection or cure them, as hiv is a progressive condition.
I have hiv and live a productive life, I am male and heterosexual, I also have a partner of 7 years, who is negative, not infected with hiv.
Hiv is a very delicate virus, saliva kills it so will lemon juice and house hold bleach, it will not live outside of the body or in dry blood. Being exposed to sexual penetration ether vaginal or anal with out a condom, by an hiv person, will give you a 1 in 300 chance of being infected. Studies carried out with couples, where one was hiv and the other negative (serodiscordant) and engaging in sex using condoms found no transmission of hiv to the negative partner, so play it safe, use condoms, latex preferably.
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stef46
replied on December 6th, 2006
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A recent study conducted by the institute of noetic science in california revealed that nearly one in five cancers go into spontaneous remission, an amazing phenomenon little understood by medical science whereby cancers suddenly, and without medical treatment heal themselves.

Spontaneous remission is well documented throughout history, with recorded cases going as far back as the 16th century, but until now, no one had undertaken to compile any kind of statistics or studies on the subject. This study covered 1860 spontaneous remission cases with startling results.

They found that nearly 7% of cancers of the digestive system, bone or soft tissues go into spontaneous remission. 12% of skin and lymphatic cancers cure themselves and 19% of cancers involving the reproductive and urinary organs are healed suddenly.

Spontaneous remission has been reported not only in cancers, but also in a wide range of diseases including diabetes, addison's disease, hyperthyroidism and even one documented case of hiv.

No cause has been found to connect these 'miracle' cases, but it has been shown that patients often suffer from unrelated or secondary infections causing very high fever prior to regression of the tumor.

Often nothing more than the power of the mind is needed to effect a cure. There are many cases where tumors are cured completely after the patient was treated with nothing more than a placebo. Another interesting factor is that patients who have profound, "life-changing" spiritual experiences undergo spontaneous remission.

Psychoneuroimmunology, a new area of research, has uncovered links between the "mind" and other major information systems of the body, systems which until recently were firmly believed to be separate; the neuroendocrine system, the brain and nervous system and the immune system. This research is attempting to uncover the mechanisms that mediate psychological and psychosocial influences on health, healing and immunity.

Find more details at: http://www.Garynull.Com/documents/aginghea lthfully/remissionofcancer.Htm
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stef46
replied on December 6th, 2006
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Another guy,i grant you that I cant find a confirmed case of sponteniuios remission of hiv.I will keep looking and post the case if one arises.
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