Abortion Debate Forum - a Memorial Day For Life

Tylanas

replied on October 2nd, 2006

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I will certainly remember my dead older silbing who was killed when my mother was in college, for without his/her's death, I would never exist!

Thank you, dead sibling!

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trina1

replied on October 2nd, 2006

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I too eiri....Am glad you are here. Cool

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Cambion

replied on October 2nd, 2006

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Just think - that 260 million fewer burdens on the planet over the years. I'm sure the planet and mother nature aren't complaining.

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human life.....What a beautiful choice.

it may be a beautiful choice, but it's not a very beautiful thing these days. *thinks about the teen boys who killed a homeless man for fun*

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trina1

replied on October 2nd, 2006

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Cambion....I will be the first to admit the world is not a perfect place. It never has been and never will be.....But given the chance....I will always choose life above death.

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nightangel73

replied on October 2nd, 2006

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eiri wrote:

i will certainly remember my dead older silbing who was killed when my mother was in college, for without his/her's death, I would never exist!

Thank you, dead sibling!

if I know my mom aborted because she ignorantly thought she had no hope at least I would think of the incident as something terrible that happened to her. I wouldn't be bluntly celebrating a sibling's death. That's a tragedy. How come you be so sure you would not be born? Let me tell you, you are here today, tomorrow you don't know if you are going to be alive. You could be killed in a car accident tomorrow or be stuck in a wheelchair and we'll see how happy about life you are going to be. I can't believe somebody with such a cold heart who feels joy for a death sibling. If you were the one aborted would you have liked your brother celebrating you were aborted so he was alive and you don't? And let me tell you this you know my brother is dead too and when he died he left me with 60 thousand dollars. I never thought at my age I would have so much money in the bank. Think about it, if he was aborted I wouldn't got anything. So you see you don't know what you missed with your siblinng being aborted.

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jenn_smithson

replied on October 2nd, 2006

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nightangel73 wrote:

eiri wrote:

i will certainly remember my dead older silbing who was killed when my mother was in college, for without his/her's death, I would never exist!

Thank you, dead sibling!

if I know my mom aborted because she ignorantly thought she had no hope at least I would think of the incident as something terrible that happened to her. I wouldn't be bluntly celebrating a sibling's death. That's a tragedy. How come you be so sure you would not be born?

it is a fair assumption on eiri's part since she is in the position to know both her mother and father and the circumstances which lead to her birth. My mother was married to another man before she met my biological father. Had she not had that marriage annulled or had she had a child with that man, there is a very great possibility that my biological father would not have married my mother and thus, i, as I exist now, would not be here.

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let me tell you, you are here today, tomorrow you don't know if you are going to be alive. You could be killed in a car accident tomorrow.

point?

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I can't believe somebody with such a cold heart who feels joy for a death sibling.

I don't believe that eiri is celebrating at all. I believe she is just stating that in her situation, if a previous abortion had not taken place, she would most likely not exist today.

The whole concept of commemorating the "lives" given in abortion over the years (which the number is no where near accurate since there is evidence of abortions being performed since people first discovered what a lack of menstruation meant), I find to be just a bit offensive. What is the number of women, worldwide, over the past decade alone who have died because they did not have access to reproductive health care including safe abortion services? How about the numbers just for this year?

If you want to cast light on a disgusting waste of human life, perhaps you should start with the women who lose their lives daily over their lack of proper reproductive health care. .T.H.A.T is a tragedy. Potential human life in the form of a fetus could not be possible without a woman. Let's take a moment and mourn the .A.C.T.U.A.L lives of women lost worldwide just today.

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if you were the one aborted would you have liked your brother celebrating you were aborted so he was alive and you don't?

if she were aborted, she wouldn't exist. Hence she would think, feel, or know nothing. Only those living independent lives are sentient and aware of themselves and their existence. Fetus' are not sentient and thus if any of us would have been aborted or ended up a spontaneous abortion (a miscarriage), we wouldn't care because we would not be aware of our lack of existence. We simply would not be.

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nightangel73

replied on October 2nd, 2006

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jenn_smithson wrote:

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if you were the one aborted would you have liked your brother celebrating you were aborted so he was alive and you don't?

if she were aborted, she wouldn't exist. Hence she would think, feel, or know nothing. Only those living independent lives are sentient and aware of themselves and their existence. Fetus' are not sentient and thus if any of us would have been aborted or ended up a spontaneous abortion (a miscarriage), we wouldn't care because we would not be aware of our lack of existence. We simply would not be.

the question was not addressed to you but since I can see that you want to answer the question, then give me an answer to the question I asked. I asked if you were the one aborted (and make an assumption that you are cause we obviously know that if you are aborted you are dead) would you have liked your brother celebrating that you were aborted so he was alive? Answer yes or no

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nightangel73

replied on October 2nd, 2006

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jenn_smithson wrote:

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I can't believe somebody with such a cold heart who feels joy for a death sibling.

I don't believe that eiri is celebrating at all. I believe she is just stating that in her situation, if a previous abortion had not taken place, she would most likely not exist today.

does it matter that she exist? Because like you said if she did not exist "hence she would think, feel, or know nothing. "

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Tylanas

replied on October 3rd, 2006

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nightangel73 wrote:

eiri wrote:

i will certainly remember my dead older silbing who was killed when my mother was in college, for without his/her's death, I would never exist!

Thank you, dead sibling!

if I know my mom aborted because she ignorantly thought she had no hope at least I would think of the incident as something terrible that happened to her. I wouldn't be bluntly celebrating a sibling's death. That's a tragedy. How come you be so sure you would not be born? Let me tell you, you are here today, tomorrow you don't know if you are going to be alive. You could be killed in a car accident tomorrow or be stuck in a wheelchair and we'll see how happy about life you are going to be. I can't believe somebody with such a cold heart who feels joy for a death sibling. If you were the one aborted would you have liked your brother celebrating you were aborted so he was alive and you don't? And let me tell you this you know my brother is dead too and when he died he left me with 60 thousand dollars. I never thought at my age I would have so much money in the bank. Think about it, if he was aborted I wouldn't got anything. So you see you don't know what you missed with your siblinng being aborted.

actually, she was forced to do so by my grandmother. Still, i'm grateful to my mother for listening to her mother and going through with it. It's not joy, it's respect. The words "thank you" don't entail someone jumping for joy.

My egg would never have met with my father's sperm if my mother had given birth to that child, I can say that right now. The coincidence that brought my egg and that sperm together was a once in a lifetime thing; never gonna happen again. There was only one egg in the ovaries of my mother with the specific sets of genes that ended up being mine. You set the dominoes off early or in a different direction and you end up somewhere completely different.

I am so extremely thankful for my life, for the fact that I was wanted. I've had more amazing experiences that most of you on these boards have had... Before I ever reached highschool.

Chance and luck and coincidence ("destiny" to all who believe in it... I don't personally. I don't believe in luck either, that involves an external force and I don't believe in those)... You can't change one cog in the machine without changing the entire thing. It doesn't work that way. What happened, happened. What is happening now is your choice, and what happens in the future is partially your choice, and partially up to random factors that you can never predict.

If I was aborted, I wouldn't know anything. And I would gladly sacrifice my life for another already living person, but not one that hasn't yet been born. A fetus' life is in the hands of the mother, and it is her choice.

I would have missed my entire life if my sibling had not been aborted. I would not exist, period. Another child might have been born, but it would not be me. There is only one chance in history for my egg and that sperm. It could only happen when it did. In a theoretical world where people can change the past, my sibling must die for me to exist. Period. Hell, the man my mother got pregnant with isn't even the guy she ended up marrying and having me with. See?

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Tylanas

replied on October 3rd, 2006

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nightangel73 wrote:

jenn_smithson wrote:

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I can't believe somebody with such a cold heart who feels joy for a death sibling.

I don't believe that eiri is celebrating at all. I believe she is just stating that in her situation, if a previous abortion had not taken place, she would most likely not exist today.

does it matter that she exist? Because like you said if she did not exist "hence she would think, feel, or know nothing. "

does it matter that anyone exists?

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Moo

replied on October 3rd, 2006

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I think it's sad that people still feel the need to patronise those of us who have aborted with "memorial days" - if I want a memorial than I shall do so but, frankly, it has f all to do with anyone else. You have no idea about why women chose to abort - to you it may be conveinience but to those in the position it's about far more than that but simplify all you will it really makes no difference.

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Meandering Away

replied on October 3rd, 2006

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moo wrote:

i think it's sad that people still feel the need to patronise those of us who have aborted with "memorial days" - if I want a memorial than I shall do so but, frankly, it has f all to do with anyone else. You have no idea about why women chose to abort - to you it may be conveinience but to those in the position it's about far more than that but simplify all you will it really makes no difference.

moo I totally agree it has nothing to do with us, if you wish to remember that is up to you we have no right to make a day for you.

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Jules

replied on October 3rd, 2006

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Oh it seems like every day is 'something day' - wasn't it 'talk like a pirate day' a few weeks ago?

I think this is a tricky area really because while pro-lifers have the right to have a memorial day if they so wish, it is hard to know where to draw the line. There is a memorial day for all those whom were murdered in the holocaust but there are people that claim that either that event never happened or it was justified. Should the memorial day be stopped because it offends them?

However, if a memorial day were proposed to commemorate all the .Nazis who died during the second world war then i'm pretty sure that it would go down like a lead balloon with the general public. Freedom of speech technically allows them to do it.

I suppose you just have to acknowledge the memorial days you feel need to be respected and ignore those that you don't.

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nightangel73

replied on October 3rd, 2006

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eiri wrote:

the coincidence that brought my egg and that sperm together was a once in a lifetime thing; never gonna happen again. There was only one egg in the ovaries of my mother with the specific sets of genes that ended up being mine. You set the dominoes off early or in a different direction and you end up somewhere completely different.

same did your sibling. He/she too had a specific set of unique genes that can only happen once in a lifetime.

eiri wrote:

i would have missed my entire life if my sibling had not been aborted.

that's why I feel sad for your sibling he/she missed his entire life.

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Tylanas

replied on October 3rd, 2006

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nightangel73 wrote:

eiri wrote:

the coincidence that brought my egg and that sperm together was a once in a lifetime thing; never gonna happen again. There was only one egg in the ovaries of my mother with the specific sets of genes that ended up being mine. You set the dominoes off early or in a different direction and you end up somewhere completely different.

same did your sibling. He/she too had a specific set of unique genes that can only happen once in a lifetime.

eiri wrote:

i would have missed my entire life if my sibling had not been aborted.

that's why I feel sad for your sibling he/she missed his entire life.

yes, he/she did have a unique set of genes... And those genes had to die for me to exist, and I never want that to change. For one thing, my mother's quality of life has been a hell of a lot better than it would have been had she kept the child... Because she would have been disowned, cut off from her family for forever. She probably would never have completed college, and who knows if the father of the fetus would ever have actually say... Married her like he should have in my book.

Lots of fetuses never make it to birth, but most women don't know, and the zygote is expelled during the normal period. That's what happens most often to women trying to concieve. Go yell at them, for their bodies killing potential people. A woman who's uterus is inhospitable may kill a dozen little babies before they finally decide to adopt. Go blame her. Abortion is simply chosing to make one's uterus a bad place to be.

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Jules

replied on October 3rd, 2006

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eiri wrote:

lots of fetuses never make it to birth, but most women don't know, and the zygote is expelled during the normal period. That's what happens most often to women trying to concieve. Go yell at them, for their bodies killing potential people. A woman who's uterus is inhospitable may kill a dozen little babies before they finally decide to adopt. Go blame her. Abortion is simply chosing to make one's uterus a bad place to be.

that is the crux of the matter though, isn't it? You can not blame a woman for killing her children if she miscarries because it is against her will. She has no control over the fact her child/ren dies. However, the reason pro-lifers are against abortion is because the unborn child does not die of a natural cause but because the mother decides to allow someone to kill it.

Of course, the unborn baby may have died anyway but a decision is made to abort (electively) on the assumption that miscarriage will not take place.

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Tylanas

replied on October 3rd, 2006

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purestgreen wrote:

eiri wrote:

lots of fetuses never make it to birth, but most women don't know, and the zygote is expelled during the normal period. That's what happens most often to women trying to concieve. Go yell at them, for their bodies killing potential people. A woman who's uterus is inhospitable may kill a dozen little babies before they finally decide to adopt. Go blame her. Abortion is simply chosing to make one's uterus a bad place to be.

that is the crux of the matter though, isn't it? You can not blame a woman for killing her children if she miscarries because it is against her will. She has no control over the fact her child/ren dies. However, the reason pro-lifers are against abortion is because the unborn child does not die of a natural cause but because the mother decides to allow someone to kill it.

Of course, the unborn baby may have died anyway but a decision is made to abort (electively) on the assumption that miscarriage will not take place.

i thought the crux of the matter was the death of the potential child, not the fact that the woman was chosing to have a right over her body. So if what you are saying is true, then all pro-life really cares about is removing a woman's right to control her body.

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Jules

replied on October 3rd, 2006

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eiri wrote:

i thought the crux of the matter was the death of the potential child, not the fact that the woman was chosing to have a right over her body. so if what you are saying is true, then all pro-life really cares about is removing a woman's right to control her body

i suppose the two things go hand in hand: the death of the unborn child by abortion is a direct result of the woman choosing to have it aborted. It's not fair to say that pro-lifers are only interested in 'removing a woman's rights' because it is the life of the unborn child that matters to them. I'm generalising and supposing by the way; I certainly don't claim to speak for all pro-lifers.

This is what I have problems with: I do not like abortion and find it hard to understand how a woman can have her baby terminated for purely 'social' reasons. However, I also don't see any other way around it. I don't think it's right to force someone to carry a pregnancy to term if they don't want to. I just wish they wanted to! Nothing in life is truly fair because if it was then every unborn baby would get to be born and grow up and every mother would want their child.

That's simply not going to happen.

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Jules

replied on October 3rd, 2006

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diamond splinter wrote:

in memory of all the women who lost their lives through abortion

are these victims of legal abortions or backstreet butchers' efforts?

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