Abortion Debate Forum - It Is Not Human

diamond splinter

replied on October 2nd, 2006

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Of course it is a human it may not be a human being yet but it certianly isn't any thing but human

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Meandering Away

replied on October 2nd, 2006

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Re: It Is Not Human

diamondsz wrote:

new humans develop viviparously from conception. An egg is usually fertilized inside the female by sperm from the male through sexual intercourse, though the recent technology of in vitro fertilization is also occasionally used. The fertilized egg, called a zygote, divides inside the female's uterus to become an embryo, which over a period of thirty-eight weeks becomes a human fetus. At birth, the fully-grown fetus is expelled from the female's body and breathes independently as an infant for the first time.

"basically alot of us are right" it is alive but it is not a human till birth before than it is called embryo/fetus!

People constantly try to fight this and I said I would post it eventually, I have kids so dont call me pro-abort, now the issue is I know you wont take this but hey this dictionary/medical terms.

.Dr took an oath not to kill a human and try everything to save that human but in a scientific book of medicin a fetus doesn not have the same charactheristic as a human and therefore why it is not called human before hand.

I am pro-choice I dont like suggesting abortion but im sick of people spreading lies so im spreading the .T.R.U.T.H

if anyone does not believe this first off
read a medical book
second
or go to
http://en.Wikipedia.Org/
or look it up in merriam webster dictionary

sorry if I offended anyone but hey for you religious fundies god wants people to promote the truth so suck on this one for awhile!

so what is it a cat fetus, or a dog fetus, no it is a freaking human fetus therefore it is human.Please show me a medical book that asserts that a fetus is not human untill it is born.Diamondsplinter I agree I am sick of them trying to say it is something other than human.Even steen admitted that it was human not a human in the technical sense of the word but human nonetheless.

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Moo

replied on October 2nd, 2006

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A z/e/f is human, it's not a baby or a person but it is definately human - what other species would it be??

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Meandering Away

replied on October 2nd, 2006

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diamondsz wrote:

dani_robin wrote:

i'm a pro-lifer, and I don't start health questioning until pro-choicers [or anybody else for that matter] starts making dumb comments like "potential human life" and "it's not actually human." it's human dna, regardless of the stage of development. Saying stuff like "potential" and "not actually human" makes it sound like the person saying it is suggesting that the child is the product of beastility or xenophilia.

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i have to disgaree with you, on the human thing

a fetus (or foetus, or fœtus – see below) is a developing mammal after the embryonic stage and before birth. The plural is fetuses or very rarely, foeti.

In humans, a fetus develops from the end of the eighth week of pregnancy, when the major structures and organ systems have formed, until birth. Fetus, in latin, literally means "filled with young, pregnant, breeding, with young" as well as "bringing forth, bearing, hatching, producing."

****.Embryo
in organisms that reproduce sexually, once a sperm fertilizes an egg cell, the result is a cell called the zygote that has all the dna of two parents. In plants, animals, and some protists, the zygote will begin to divide by mitosis to produce a multicellular organism. The term embryo refers to the early stages of this development, after the zygote has divided at least once, but before the process has completed to produce the next stage of development.

***infant
infant is a formal term for the word baby, the youngest category of a child. The term "infant" derives from the latin word in-fans, meaning "unable to speak." there is no exact definition for infancy. Quite often babies are called infants until they reach the age of one. However, babies are traditionally called "toddlers" when they start to walk whether or not they have reached their first birthday. Daycares with an "infant room" providing care will call all their children in the infant room "infants" even if they are older than a year and/or walking; they will sometimes use the term "walking infant".

Child
a child (plural: children).Precise definitions vary; is the offspring, of any age, of two people. The american heritage dictionary[1] defined a child as an individual who has not yet reached puberty

.Adult
the term adult describes any mature organism, but normally it refers to a human: one that is no longer a child / minor and is now either a man or a woman. Coming of age is the event of becoming an adult, i.E. Of entering adulthood. Historically, adulthood has been determined by puberty, which is physical or biological adulthood; passing a series of tests to demonstrate the child is prepared for adulthood; or reaching a specified age, sometimes in conjunction with demonstrating preparation. Most modern societies determine legal adulthood based on reaching a legally-specified age without requiring a demonstration of physical maturity or preparation for adulthood

all this information was ithdrawn from
http://en.Wikipedia.Org/

not a single sentence in there to say that it is not human, infact it makes distinction between different types of fetus.

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diamondsz

replied on October 2nd, 2006

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cowboys wrote:

diamondsz wrote:

dani_robin wrote:

i'm a pro-lifer, and I don't start health questioning until pro-choicers [or anybody else for that matter] starts making dumb comments like "potential human life" and "it's not actually human." it's human dna, regardless of the stage of development. Saying stuff like "potential" and "not actually human" makes it sound like the person saying it is suggesting that the child is the product of beastility or xenophilia.

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i have to disgaree with you, on the human thing

a fetus (or foetus, or fœtus – see below) is a developing mammal after the embryonic stage and before birth. The plural is fetuses or very rarely, foeti.

In humans, a fetus develops from the end of the eighth week of pregnancy, when the major structures and organ systems have formed, until birth. Fetus, in latin, literally means "filled with young, pregnant, breeding, with young" as well as "bringing forth, bearing, hatching, producing."

****.Embryo
in organisms that reproduce sexually, once a sperm fertilizes an egg cell, the result is a cell called the zygote that has all the dna of two parents. In plants, animals, and some protists, the zygote will begin to divide by mitosis to produce a multicellular organism. The term embryo refers to the early stages of this development, after the zygote has divided at least once, but before the process has completed to produce the next stage of development.

***infant
infant is a formal term for the word baby, the youngest category of a child. The term "infant" derives from the latin word in-fans, meaning "unable to speak." there is no exact definition for infancy. Quite often babies are called infants until they reach the age of one. However, babies are traditionally called "toddlers" when they start to walk whether or not they have reached their first birthday. Daycares with an "infant room" providing care will call all their children in the infant room "infants" even if they are older than a year and/or walking; they will sometimes use the term "walking infant".

Child
a child (plural: children).Precise definitions vary; is the offspring, of any age, of two people. The american heritage dictionary[1] defined a child as an individual who has not yet reached puberty

.Adult
the term adult describes any mature organism, but normally it refers to a human: one that is no longer a child / minor and is now either a man or a woman. Coming of age is the event of becoming an adult, i.E. Of entering adulthood. Historically, adulthood has been determined by puberty, which is physical or biological adulthood; passing a series of tests to demonstrate the child is prepared for adulthood; or reaching a specified age, sometimes in conjunction with demonstrating preparation. Most modern societies determine legal adulthood based on reaching a legally-specified age without requiring a demonstration of physical maturity or preparation for adulthood

all this information was ithdrawn from
http://en.Wikipedia.Org/

not a single sentence in there to say that it is not human, infact it makes distinction between different types of fetus.

a human is when it is born, then it becomes a human infant until then it has the makeup of a human but they say it tis not a person, ask a doctor is you dont like my response

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Nataliachick7

replied on October 2nd, 2006

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Just to clarify diamondz, a fetus is technically a human. It is not a p e r s o n, but it .I.S human. This is the stupidest post you could have possibly made.

And this comes from a pro choice website:

"is a fetus a human being because it has a complete set of human dna?

A fetus is human, in the sense that it contains human dna; however, a fetus, like an embryo, is not a human being, as it has no means of independent physiological existence (as does a baby, child, or adult). As such, it is a potential human being, just like an acorn is a potential oak tree. It contains all of the dna of an oak tree, but it is not an oak tree (see also leonard peikoff on abortion: real audio).

Is a fetus a human being because it has a complete set of human dna?

A fetus is a potential human being, and not an actual individual, because it does not have physiological independence outside its host—the pregnant woman.

(toward the end of a woman's pregnancy, a fetus does have the physiological means to live independently outside its host, the pregnant women, which makes the birth of a healthy child possible, though it remains physically dependent until birth. At birth the fetus becomes a physically independent baby/child.)"

abortionisprolife.Com/faq.htm

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Tylanas

replied on October 2nd, 2006

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I agree with everyone else: a fetus is human.

It is not a person, or as some others are defining it, "human being".

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Meandering Away

replied on October 3rd, 2006

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diamondsz wrote:

cowboys wrote:

diamondsz wrote:

dani_robin wrote:

i'm a pro-lifer, and I don't start health questioning until pro-choicers [or anybody else for that matter] starts making dumb comments like "potential human life" and "it's not actually human." it's human dna, regardless of the stage of development. Saying stuff like "potential" and "not actually human" makes it sound like the person saying it is suggesting that the child is the product of beastility or xenophilia.

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i have to disgaree with you, on the human thing

a fetus (or foetus, or fœtus – see below) is a developing mammal after the embryonic stage and before birth. The plural is fetuses or very rarely, foeti.

In humans, a fetus develops from the end of the eighth week of pregnancy, when the major structures and organ systems have formed, until birth. Fetus, in latin, literally means "filled with young, pregnant, breeding, with young" as well as "bringing forth, bearing, hatching, producing."

****.Embryo
in organisms that reproduce sexually, once a sperm fertilizes an egg cell, the result is a cell called the zygote that has all the dna of two parents. In plants, animals, and some protists, the zygote will begin to divide by mitosis to produce a multicellular organism. The term embryo refers to the early stages of this development, after the zygote has divided at least once, but before the process has completed to produce the next stage of development.

***infant
infant is a formal term for the word baby, the youngest category of a child. The term "infant" derives from the latin word in-fans, meaning "unable to speak." there is no exact definition for infancy. Quite often babies are called infants until they reach the age of one. However, babies are traditionally called "toddlers" when they start to walk whether or not they have reached their first birthday. Daycares with an "infant room" providing care will call all their children in the infant room "infants" even if they are older than a year and/or walking; they will sometimes use the term "walking infant".

Child
a child (plural: children).Precise definitions vary; is the offspring, of any age, of two people. The american heritage dictionary[1] defined a child as an individual who has not yet reached puberty

.Adult
the term adult describes any mature organism, but normally it refers to a human: one that is no longer a child / minor and is now either a man or a woman. Coming of age is the event of becoming an adult, i.E. Of entering adulthood. Historically, adulthood has been determined by puberty, which is physical or biological adulthood; passing a series of tests to demonstrate the child is prepared for adulthood; or reaching a specified age, sometimes in conjunction with demonstrating preparation. Most modern societies determine legal adulthood based on reaching a legally-specified age without requiring a demonstration of physical maturity or preparation for adulthood

all this information was ithdrawn from
http://en.Wikipedia.Org/

not a single sentence in there to say that it is not human, infact it makes distinction between different types of fetus.

a human is when it is born, then it becomes a human infant until then it has the makeup of a human but they say it tis not a person, ask a doctor is you dont like my response

there is a difference between human and a person, what is it if not human please enlitghen me.There is also a difference between being human and being a human,a fetus is human it is human but it is not a human, that is where your argument fails.

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Tylanas

replied on October 3rd, 2006

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Alright.... Look.

"human" is another word - the "street word", shall we say? - for the species name homo sapien. Just like "dog" is the street name for canine, "cat" for feline, etc.

A fetus inside a woman's body is a human fetus. Period. It is a homo sapien. However..

It is not in posession of a personality, nor the apability to have one. At certain stages, it cannot think. It can not feel pain, fear, or even joy. Those are things that make us people. If you don't have that, you are not a person. Technically, the thing that sets us apart from all other species is self awareness... And that doesn't actually happen until a baby is several months old, sometimes a year old.

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Meandering Away

replied on October 3rd, 2006

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stillherelosers wrote:

cowboys wrote:

there is a difference between human and a person

fucking moron... A human is a species and person is a legal definition.

so there is the difference learn to read before you show yourself up again.

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Tylanas

replied on October 3rd, 2006

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Someone please control stillhere or i'm going to demand that the current mods and admins of this abortion debate forum be banned along with her! This is just beyond disrespectful. Jesus.

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Meandering Away

replied on October 3rd, 2006

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stillherelosers wrote:

cowboys wrote:

so there is the difference learn to read before you show yourself up again.

cowboys wrote:

there is a difference between human and a person, what is it if not human please enlitghen me.There is also a difference between being human and being a human,a fetus is human it is human but it is not a human, that is where your argument fails.

did you write this or was it your daughter while you were fucking her?

how about you quote the whole post or try reading the whole post before you try and twist what is written, ps your insults are lame and childish.

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Meandering Away

replied on October 3rd, 2006

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eiri wrote:

someone please control stillhere or i'm going to demand that the current mods and admins of this abortion debate forum be banned along with her! This is just beyond disrespectful. Jesus.

this is what she has been like all the time she should be banned permanantly everytime she registers she should be banned instantly.She has got so monotonous now it don't bother me, just shows how twisted she is and one day she will learn to debate rather than insult.

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diamondsz

replied on October 3rd, 2006

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eiri wrote:

alright.... Look.

"human" is another word - the "street word", shall we say? - for the species name homo sapien. Just like "dog" is the street name for canine, "cat" for feline, etc.

A fetus inside a woman's body is a human fetus. Period. It is a homo sapien. However..

It is not in posession of a personality, nor the apability to have one. At certain stages, it cannot think. It can not feel pain, fear, or even joy. Those are things that make us people. If you don't have that, you are not a person. Technically, the thing that sets us apart from all other species is self awareness... And that doesn't actually happen until a baby is several months old, sometimes a year old.

thank you, you just phrased it all for me, yeah it is a human a human fetus but it is not a full human as it is missing certain charactheristics to be considered a person by law meaning that it is alive and outside the mothers womb.

It is not a human being but a human fetus completly different than what some of you deem it to be!!!!!!

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nightangel73

replied on October 3rd, 2006

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diamondsz wrote:

eiri wrote:

alright.... Look.

"human" is another word - the "street word", shall we say? - for the species name homo sapien. Just like "dog" is the street name for canine, "cat" for feline, etc.

A fetus inside a woman's body is a human fetus. Period. It is a homo sapien. However..

It is not in posession of a personality, nor the apability to have one. At certain stages, it cannot think. It can not feel pain, fear, or even joy. Those are things that make us people. If you don't have that, you are not a person. Technically, the thing that sets us apart from all other species is self awareness... And that doesn't actually happen until a baby is several months old, sometimes a year old.

thank you, you just phrased it all for me, yeah it is a human a human fetus but it is not a full human as it is missing certain charactheristics to be considered a person by law meaning that it is alive and outside the mothers womb.

It is not a human being but a human fetus completly different than what some of you deem it to be!!!!!!

so because it is a human fetus I am suppose t think it is not valuable? We pro-lifer are very aware of the development of the fetus and what is capable or not to do. The point is that fetus is a potential person with a unique set of genes that happens only once in lifetime. We don't care whether his/her limbs are developed or not at x or y weeks. We don't care if the senses are developed at x or y months. We care it is a potential human being do you understand? We care a fetus is valuable and deserves to live whether or not his limbs and senses or personality is developed at any week.

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nightangel73

replied on October 3rd, 2006

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stillherevirgin wrote:

nightangel73 wrote:

we care it is a potential human being do you understand?

yes... Potential has more rights than existing women because anti choicers are anti woman.

not more rights, just equal rights to life.

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Jules

replied on October 4th, 2006

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nightangel73 wrote:

not more rights, just equal rights to life.

.But how can that ever work? If the unborn child has equal rights with the woman, then who gets priority if the woman wants an abortion? I totally understand your point of view but I just don't think it can be realistically implemented.

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Moo

replied on October 4th, 2006

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purestgreen wrote:

nightangel73 wrote:

not more rights, just equal rights to life.

.But how can that ever work? If the unborn child has equal rights with the woman, then who gets priority if the woman wants an abortion? I totally understand your point of view but I just don't think it can be realistically implemented.

precicelsy, it just doesn't work in reality so, therefore, the person has the rights.

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diamondsz

replied on October 4th, 2006

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stillherelosers wrote:

nightangel73 wrote:

not more rights, just equal rights to life.

can't give equal rights over one body to two different entities, edit

exactly a person has rights a potential human not a person yet doesnt have the same rights. I understand your beliefs but to force a woman to have a kid is wrong especially when her life is at risk. Yes I know some of you prolife belief in a woman rights when it comes to life-threatening sitiuations!!

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