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Q: Hormonal Contraception Kills Babies?
asked by: Jules on September 10th, 2006
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I have read that some people are against hormonal contraception because it prevents fertilised eggs from implanting and therefore stops an embryo from growing.

Being someone who has just started taking the pill myself, I would be interested to hear what people's opinions are on this subject. Is taking the pill/depo etc a form of early abortion? Is it morally wrong?
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Tylanas
replied on September 10th, 2006
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This is a true fact, the pill can do this.

However!!!!!

It happens very, very rarely. Personally, I don't care if it does this. Then again, I am personally pro-choice.
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Cambion
replied on September 10th, 2006
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Yes, birth control can prevent the egg from attaching itself to the lining of the uterus, but I would call such an incident prevention before i'd call it k/illing - and as eiri said, it's very rare when this happens. It's not as if a woman would know she's got a fertilized egg floating around in her uterus.

Also, hormonal birth control is most definitely not a form of abortion - if it was, there would be no need for abortion clinics. Women would just down a packet of pills when they are suspicious of pregnancy if the pills could be used for this purpose. Along the same lines, I wouldn't call plan b an "abortion pill" either - it's purpose is the same as birth control pills: prevention.

Interesting topic. I'm kind of eager to see what kind of bickering this topic elicits.
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Jules
replied on September 11th, 2006
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Thank you for the input so far! I hope it doesn't degenerate into bickering. Any pro-lifers got an opinion on this?
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Meandering Away
replied on September 11th, 2006
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Re: Hormonal Contraception Kills Babies?
purestgreen wrote:
i have read that some people are against hormonal contraception because it prevents fertilised eggs from implanting and therefore stops an embryo from growing.


Being someone who has just started taking the pill myself, I would be interested to hear what people's opinions are on this subject. Is taking the pill/depo etc a form of early abortion? Is it morally wrong?




in my opinion contraception, in all its forms is the only way to decrease the number of abortions, I cannot understand why some people don't think that contraceptives are a good thing in the abortion debate.If we can stop someone who dosen't want to be pregnant being pregnant through contraception,then that person wont need an abortion, everyone wins.
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paganangel
replied on October 6th, 2006
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Re: Hormonal Contraception Kills Babies?
purestgreen wrote:
i have read that some people are against hormonal contraception because it prevents fertilised eggs from implanting and therefore stops an embryo from growing.


Being someone who has just started taking the pill myself, I would be interested to hear what people's opinions are on this subject. Is taking the pill/depo etc a form of early abortion? Is it morally wrong?



i know this is a semi-old topic but I wanted to add my opinion...I think that bc is a good thing. I am pro-life and I am pro-birth control. I don't think that bc causes abortion...It prevents pregnancy which can help lower the abortion rates. I don't see that there is anything at all morally wrong with birth control.
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yupmeagain
replied on October 6th, 2006
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Re: Hormonal Contraception Kills Babies?
Edit for abusive post

tazzyd.
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paganangel
replied on October 6th, 2006
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Re: Hormonal Contraception Kills Babies?
yupmeagain wrote:
paganangel wrote:
i don't think that bc causes abortion


stupid gay woman... Birth control can cause a fertilized egg from implantation. Pro zygote murderer.


is it really that hard to be civilized?
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diamondsz
replied on October 6th, 2006
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Re: Hormonal Contraception Kills Babies?
paganangel wrote:
yupmeagain wrote:
paganangel wrote:
i don't think that bc causes abortion


stupid gay woman... Birth control can cause a fertilized egg from implantation. Pro zygote murderer.


is it really that hard to be civilized?


nope, but she is right someof the stuff she says is right she just doesnt say it politically correct. Birth control can kill an early fetus but stops a sperm from meeting an egg which is another form of abortion that is wht the bible/church are against it.

Thats why when I say if you are so prolife well then you wouldnt take b/c cause in the end that make you a hypocrite....
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Nataliachick7
replied on October 6th, 2006
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Re: Hormonal Contraception Kills Babies?
diamondsz wrote:
paganangel wrote:
yupmeagain wrote:
paganangel wrote:
i don't think that bc causes abortion


stupid gay woman... Birth control can cause a fertilized egg from implantation. Pro zygote murderer.


is it really that hard to be civilized?


birth control can kill an early fetus but stops a sperm from meeting an egg which is another form of abortion that is wht the bible/church are against it.


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stopping sperm from meeting an egg is not a form of abortion, health question. In that situation, conception was prevented-nothing happened.

Secondly, the pill does not stop sperm from meeting an egg, bc suppress ovulation, thus there is no egg to be fertilized.


Very rarely does it actually happen where the egg does get fertilized, and when it does happen, the egg cant implant like the original poster said.
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nightangel73
replied on October 6th, 2006
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Re: Hormonal Contraception Kills Babies?
nataliachick7 wrote:


secondly, the pill does not stop sperm from meeting an egg, bc suppress ovulation, thus there is no egg to be fertilized.



Very rarely does it actually happen where the egg does get fertilized, and when it does happen, the egg cant implant like the original poster said.


correct natalia. And sometimes with the pill the eggs gets fertilized and you do actually get pregnant. If I get pregnant while i'm on the pill I will for sure not abort.

And btw protestant christian churches (i.E. Baptist and so on) do support bc pills. I think catholics are probably the only ones against and i'm sure that will change as well.
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jenn_smithson
replied on October 6th, 2006
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purestgreen wrote:
i have read that some people are against hormonal contraception because it prevents fertilised eggs from implanting and therefore stops an embryo from growing.
these people are idiots. They are not getting their information from any reputable medical source and therefore are simply talking out of their backsides.


The birth control pill has two primary functions. 1. It stops you from ovulating. If you do not ovulate, you will not release an egg. If you do not release an egg, you cannot become pregnant.

2. It thickens the lining of the cervix to prevent sperm from entering the uterus. Many people get this wrong. They claim that it thickens the lining of the uterus which would make it harder for a blastocyst to implant but they are mistaken. The medical research shows that it is the lining of the cervix that is changed, not the lining of the uterus itself. Further, there has been a lot of research on this to date and reputable studies show no evidence of the lining of the uterus changing in women who take the pill (or other hormonal methods) in the correct doses from women who are not on hormonal birth control methods.

If it has any other latent functions, i'm sure that it would have been documented in research long before now. The rumored latent functions of the birth control pill are just that - rumors. There is no evidence, to date, that a blastocyst or embryo would be prevented in attaching to the uterine wall. In fact because 3-5% of women on a hormonal birth control method experience an unintended pregnancy, it is further evidence that the uterus does not change and that the woman can still become pregnant even if she takes the pill correctly. True, most birth control mishaps occur from not taking it as directed but there are still women out there, myself included, who experienced an unintended pregnancy from a birth control failure who wish that the pill really does do all that it is rumoured to do.

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being someone who has just started taking the pill myself, I would be interested to hear what people's opinions are on this subject. Is taking the pill/depo etc a form of early abortion?
no, and neither is emergency contraception since emergency contraception is the exact same thing as the birth control pill just in a higher dosage.

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is it morally wrong?
no. I am not the master of all that is moral but anyone claiming that it is morally wrong is either coming from a very specific faith that has always decried use of contraceptives (to boost their numbers despite the poverty levels of those numbers) or does not have reputable information to make that claim.
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Nataliachick7
replied on October 6th, 2006
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nightangel73 wrote:
nataliachick7 wrote:


secondly, the pill does not stop sperm from meeting an egg, bc suppress ovulation, thus there is no egg to be fertilized.




Very rarely does it actually happen where the egg does get fertilized, and when it does happen, the egg cant implant like the original poster said.

if I get pregnant while i'm on the pill I will for sure not abort.

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if the egg were to get fertilized while on the pill it would prevent it from attaching to the uterine wall like the original poster said. It would be expelled from your body with your next period and you never would have known you were actually pregnant.
So basically, you would kind of have an "abortion" like some people claim because of the pill.
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nightangel73
replied on October 6th, 2006
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nataliachick7 wrote:
nightangel73 wrote:
nataliachick7 wrote:


secondly, the pill does not stop sperm from meeting an egg, bc suppress ovulation, thus there is no egg to be fertilized.





Very rarely does it actually happen where the egg does get fertilized, and when it does happen, the egg cant implant like the original poster said.

if I get pregnant while i'm on the pill I will for sure not abort.


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if the egg were to get fertilized while on the pill it would prevent it from attaching to the uterine wall like the original poster said. It would be expelled from your body with your next period and you never would have known you were actually pregnant.
So basically, you would kind of have an "abortion" like some people claim because of the pill.


that is true 'kind of' but not abortion because there was no implantation. Where does it implants it is when you are pregnant.
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Carifairy
replied on October 6th, 2006
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Women who become pregnant on the pill can and do have ehalthy pregnancies, so obviously this 'abortive' quality doe snot happen 100% of the time.

I fully support birth control!
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paganangel
replied on October 6th, 2006
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Re: Hormonal Contraception Kills Babies?
diamondsz wrote:
paganangel wrote:
yupmeagain wrote:
paganangel wrote:
i don't think that bc causes abortion


stupid gay woman... Birth control can cause a fertilized egg from implantation. Pro zygote murderer.


is it really that hard to be civilized?


nope, but she is right someof the stuff she says is right she just doesnt say it politically correct. Birth control can kill an early fetus but stops a sperm from meeting an egg which is another form of abortion that is wht the bible/church are against it.


Thats why when I say if you are so prolife well then you wouldnt take b/c cause in the end that make you a hypocrite....


birth control does not kill an early fetus. Stopping the sperm and egg from meeting is not abortion. I am prolife and do not consider myself a hypocrit because I support birth control. Using birth control regularly can help keep the number of unwanted pregnancy down which in turn could help lower the number of abortions...I'm all for anything that lowers the abortion rate!
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Carifairy
replied on October 7th, 2006
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Paganangel.. =)

yay for birth control! :d

many pro life people consider a 'fertilized' egg to be a baby, so the possibility of it dying can be seen as abortifacient.

Birth control prevents ovualtion in the first place, so of course this would be rare, but 'could' still happen.
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yupmeagain
replied on October 7th, 2006
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[quote="paganangel"birth control does not kill an early fetus.[/quote]

birth control can kill a fertilized egg... I.E. Interfering with it's implantation into the uterus wall.

You are pro birth control because you use it. Once you no longer need it, it will become the baby killer you and your freak anti choicers cry about.
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Tylanas
replied on October 8th, 2006
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Re: Hormonal Contraception Kills Babies?
nightangel73 wrote:
nataliachick7 wrote:
nightangel73 wrote:
nataliachick7 wrote:


secondly, the pill does not stop sperm from meeting an egg, bc suppress ovulation, thus there is no egg to be fertilized.

Very rarely does it actually happen where the egg does get fertilized, and when it does happen, the egg cant implant like the original poster said.

if I get pregnant while i'm on the pill I will for sure not abort.

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if the egg were to get fertilized while on the pill it would prevent it from attaching to the uterine wall like the original poster said. It would be expelled from your body with your next period and you never would have known you were actually pregnant.
So basically, you would kind of have an "abortion" like some people claim because of the pill.


that is true 'kind of' but not abortion because there was no implantation. Where does it implants it is when you are pregnant.


the problem I have with this comment is because guess what?

That fertilized egg is alive. It is dividing, it is becoming a baby. That process starts at fertilization, and I refuse to consider the fertilized, unimplanted egg as "not alive yet because it hasn't implanted".
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nightangel73
replied on October 9th, 2006
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eiri wrote:


the problem I have with this comment is because guess what?


That fertilized egg is alive. It is dividing, it is becoming a baby. That process starts at fertilization, and I refuse to consider the fertilized, unimplanted egg as "not alive yet because it hasn't implanted".


who said is not alive? It is alive but you are not pregnant until it implants.
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