Well there is no black and white on this one but I think it's that pro-choicers believe in a woman's right to choose what she does with her body ie/ carry a pregnancy to full term or have an abortion, for whatever reasons, whereas a pro-lifer believes abortion is the immoral killing of an innocent life and shouldn't be allowed to happen.

However, like I said, there are many shades of grey on this subject - some people are more hardcore and rigid in their beliefs than others.

I'm sure someone will flame me for this...

Most pro-lifers:
- only care about the lives of fetuses
- have no concern for the mother or her reasons for choosing abortion
- need to use religion to support their beliefs
- need to stretch the truth by varying degrees to make their point (i.E. Pictures of stillborn fetuses that are passed off as aborted fetuses)

most pro-choicers:
- believe the woman's health comes first
- realize the woman is in charge of her body and should be free to make her own decision about a developing fetus
- realize that fetuses are human in nature, but not people biologically (in comparison to the average functioning human person out of utero)

now, notice I used the word most in both lists, which means that not all pro-lifers and pro-choicers fit those descriptions. Some people on both sides are more lenient with their beliefs, while others are extremists and feel that their opinions are facts and anyone who does not agree with them is wrong (and no, I do not put myself in this category because I do not try to pass off my beliefs as facts, so don't even bother whining at me about it).

As purestgreen said, there is no black or white area when it comes to abortion - people may label themselves as pro-life or pro-choice, but even then the beliefs of every individual in both groups will differ from person to person.

lol! Cambion you are the number 1 extremist of all here.

Most pro-lifers:

-believe that people should never be denied the right to live even if you are fetus.
-care about both lives fetuses and mother
-have concern for the mother and her reasons for wishing abortion therefore encourage alternative non killing parenting solutions such as adoption
-believe that fetuses are potential human beings capable of doing extraordinary things in life, like finding the cure of cancer and such.

-do not need to strech the thurth, it is right there.

-believe in god



most pro-choicers:
-do not value life, therefore do not value the life of fetuses.

-do not believe that fetuses are people too.

-do not believe that a fetus has a right to live.

-do not try to stop a woman from having an abortion even if they see that the woman going to abort will be potentially mentally damaged by having the abortion.

-no religious values whatsover.

hey, at least the first list from .U.S wasn't lying about your side.

We do too value life, we just value the life of the mother more, and that's final. Finito. Mom first, fetus second. Always.

Also, many of us are religious in many ways. I am buddhist, and while it doesn't count as a religion, it is still a set of beliefs based upon the teachings of someone whom we view as very wise. Buddha. Sounds like christanity a bit hmn? Except we don't think he ressurected as a zombie 3 days after dying. I also think jesus was a fine, rightious dude. Too bad the romans killed him.

We also state the real fact that most women aren't permanantly mentally damaged by abortion.

I think you got some of your attributes a** backwards there, nightangel.

so do they not have the potential to do horrofic things in life like .Osama. Bin.Laden, .Adolf.Hitler or .Fred .West.Which one of us can tell what a baby or fetus will become, yes he could be the next .Louis.Pastuer, or.Dr .Harold.Shipman.That argument is moot and totally irrelavant.







sorry that is edit not every pro lifer belives in god.Please stop making inane comments.

erm...What orifice did you spew that from?

Just becasue pro-choicers value the lives of those sentient born people over those of a z/e/f does not mean that w have no respect for life .

Secondly, just because we don't rely on the bible to give us our opinions doesn't mean we're not religious - I for one am but i'm not going to tell you which/why because I feel abortion is not a reflection on my other beliefs. Sinmilarly many people are pro-life with no religion - the two aren't synonymous
a fetus doesn't have a right to life - if it did abortion would be banned.

No-one knows how women will react after an abortion edit

no flames...Just corrections.


Most pro-lifers:
-care about all human life from conception to hopefully natural death
-since the mother is a human life...Her life is just as important...Though not more so than the human life in which she carries
-while some people who are pl are religious...Many are not...Which explains a large group of atheists, agnostics, and pagans who are pl. Rather than being a religious argument...Pl is more a human argument...After all when someone chooses life over abortion...They are not saving a religion...But rather a human life.
-stretching the truth? Hmmm....Pictures of stillborn fetuses as opposed to aborted fetuses? Whatever helps you sleep at night cambion. :)



most pro-choicers:
-do in fact believe that although two human lives are involved...Only the woman comes first. The other human life is just an acceptable loss in one persons choice overriding another persons life.

-they seem to forget that the only human life the woman has a right to make choices about is her own....Not the one she helped to create inside her.

-forget that we all start the same way....And from the moment of conception on....We are human lives in different stages of development...But no less human lives.



well said.

I feel that beeing pro-choice is caring about both the fetus and the possible mother-to-be, being pro-choice does not make us pro-abort, their are times that we must do what we must do and live with it and move on and their are times that we can continue on with the pregnancy, just like I did, to me because you have an abortion it does not make it your fault, things happen in life that sometimes we have no control over. That is why I am glad that their is a choice in most places. I do not want the government or the state to tell me what or what not to do, or when to do it, it should remain a choice.

firstly, she does have the right to make a choice about the z/e/f that she is carrying as to whether or not it is aborted - it is inside of her body and using her resources, if she doesn't wish for it to be there then she has the right to have it removed - otherwise abortion would be illegeal and z/e/f's would have bestowed upon them rights by law.
Secondly, we are aware of human biology. Just because recognising the difference between the human life of a z/e/f and that of a person (i.E the mother) doesn't mean that we think that we started off life in any other way so please stop trying to insult our intelligence. Just because I do not find anything wrong with a woman ending the life of a z/e/f doesn't mean I am redundant in the basics of human biology - I am fully aware that it is not the life of a howler monkey growing inside of me

pregnancy is only a 'punishment' if the individual believes it to be so. Just as pregnancy is only a blessing if the individual believes it to be so. I don't think most pro-lifers, or pro-choicers for that matter, would regard pregnancy as a punishment.

i have never deemed pregnancy or a child for that matter as a punishment for sex. They are blessings. Nothing more and nothing less.

when did you decided that human life was not to be protected and respected? When did you decide that only certain human lives were worthy of continuing life and the rest were acceptable losses? Just how was your intelligence insulted? Because I pointed out the obvious? Sometimes the obvious is the easiest to miss. I never feel insulted when someone expresses their point of view. It is merely a way of learning something new. You don't have to agree with something to learn from it.

when I was faced with a very unwanted pregnancy I made the decision which was that the life of the fetus growing inside of me was not as important as my life and so I decided not to "protect" that human life. It's an individual choice - when did you decide you feel the right to tell other women to gestate when they do not wish to? The human life lost through abortion has, frankly, nothing to do with anyone excpet the woman and the man involved.

when I woke up to the real world and relaised that everything isn't all flowers and fairies, when I realised things aren't black and white.


yes

i hardly think anyone is going to miss the fact that it's a human z/e/f

i'm not exactly sure what you think I could learn from stating the screamingly obvious

fair answer. I don't agree with it....But I respect your right to feel that way.



have you ever seen me tell someone that they "have" to carry an unwanted pregnany? Have you ever seen me be hateful to someone who has had an abortion? Have I in fact....Ever been hateful to you? All I am saying is.....My opinions on human life and abortion are this: no one human life should ever be put above anothers. "all" human life is precious and should be respected. I would fight for your life and the life of any children you carried....Equally.



if that were true....Then why should we care about the human life lost through war....Shouldn't the two waring factions be the only ones to be involved there? The lives lost in the war really I guess....Shouldn't matter to the rest of us...I mean...It really isn't any of our business. And why should we care about the human lives being lost through hunger and homelessness? After all...Isn't it really none of our business? Bottom line....Humanity and the loss of any human life is all of our business.





again....Fair answer....But I have to disagree. Death and life are pretty much black and white.




i am sorry that you find pointing out the obvious so insulting.





oh but it happens all the time.



only you know that....And maybe you won't learn anything....But maybe someone else reading the post might.

Pregnancy to alot of females is not a blessing in a lot of cases for those who were raped, females of incest, females with dead fetus or babies(whatever you wish to call them) inside them, I do not call them blessings along with some females that do not want children or would not treat their babies or children as they should be treated, such as abusing or neglecting them and yes, it does happen. Their are some females out their unfortunately that have baby's just to get a welfare check to get free medical, free housing, free food, free utilities, free money, this and that and care very little about the baby or child, that is what is sad that is what ruins welfare to me, welfare should be used when it is needed for example with the lost of a spouse until the other spouse can get back on their feet.

granted sandy....Not everyone views being pregnant as blessed or the human life inside them as sacred....But every life is created with a purpose. Perhaps the woman carrying the child is not ready to be a mother....But there is someone out there that would be more than happy to love that human life. There is someone who would find that little human life to be both blessed and sacred. If a human life is created with a purpose....Then who are we to cut that purpose short?

Tell me... Where are you getting the concept that "every life is created for a reason"? I believe everything is random. If something is created for a reason, that implies that something (someone) created it for said purpose.. Which implies a diety. As I think many of us have stated before... Religion doesn't play a part in our desicion to be pro-choice.