Emma...Jenny.....This is the pro-choice area....Specifically for pro-choicers to talk and vent. We have a pro-life area....Specifically for us to talk and vent. If you want to put something from either site up for debate....Then copy and paste it to the abortion debate forum. In the future...Please refrain from posting on the pro-choice forum if you are in fact not pro-choice.

Jenny....I am probably as pl as anyone on here.....But this is a pro-choice forum...Designed for pc posters. If you don't agree with what was said...Paste it on the abortion debate forum....And then everyone can debate it there. It is not a matter of whether you agree or not....It is a matter of respecting an area that is not for you. You can't expect pc to respect our forum and stay off of it....If we don't respect theirs. Fair is fair.

Emma and jenny... I, as the mod, have deleted your posts as they were obviously inflamatory and not contributing to the discussion at hand in a way that is appropriate on the pro-choice forum. As the others have politely tried to say, take your argument to the debate forum, not here.

There are rules on these two forums, pro-life and pro-choice. You must post to the side you feel most aligned with, and not to the other forum, especially not in a way that instigates an argument.

Trina's posts are still here because she didn't post anything argumentative.

This count as your first warning, for both of you (emma and jenny). More transgressions and i'll get the admin involved. Or just keep deleting your posts. It's fun.

There's also a new movement where anyone whose mother even considered an abortion after finding out she was pregnant are starting to claim that they, too, are survivors of abortion even though their mother's never obtained an abortion at all.

Funny how some people are.

I've never heard of this new mindset, jenn. Knowing how stupid some people are these days, something like this does not surprise me. I suppose anyone who was a child of someone who wondered if they were meant to be a parent is a survivor of some sort as well.

o dear

that is so true. Using god as an excuse because your abortion went wrong is so unfair to the ''baby''. It's not an act of god, it's man's science at its worst. A horrible mistake, that the child would have to pay for, for the rest of its life. You wont see a kid with no arms and one leg at school saying to the bullies 'god did this to me'.

i'm sorry but this is just plain offensive to me and what I had to survive myself. an abortion saved my life and so, to me, it was "man's science" at its best. I would be dead now if I could not have had an abortion.

unless it was a naturally occurring birth defect/genetic disorder. In those cases, I guess god really did stick it to them.

Well I dissagree with you, its not like I havent had an abortion. But I don't think people should use god as an excuse for an abortion going wrong. Thats the debate, not 'abortion saved my life'. Its about abortion going wrong and the feotus surviving. Did you actually read what cambion said? Obviously not.

Like I said, you cannot say god stuck with you when it was man's mistake. Mistakes in science do happen and just because the feotus itself survived doesnt mean 'god' wanted it to survive, it just did. The 1/100 chance.

So many babies are born everyday. Thats the miracle of life.

you really didnt get anything of what I wrote did you. We are talking about .U.N.N.A.T.U.R.A.L birth defects caused by an abortion going wrong. Read everyones responses before u go jumping on my wagon next time.

untwist your panties for a moment. Yes, I did read what was written. However, I still found your words offensive. First, if you believe in a benevolent god, then why are their survivors of botched abortions in the first place? A benevolent god would not allow people to be born just so they will suffer. Secondly, your little comment about abortion being "man's science at its worst" (even when considering fetus' that survive abortions) is what I was disagreeing with. Abortion isn't "man's science" to begin with. Women and even female animals have the ability to cause miscarriages on their own. And, I profoundly disagree that it's "man's science at its worst", in any scenario, since it saved my life. You made a huge generalization about abortion that I disagree with and I was simply voicing that opinion.

Also, this isn't the debate forum. No one was debating you. I simply disagree with the statement that abortion is "man's science at its worst" in any case since an abortion saved my life.

if it's god, then couldn't god have corrected the mistake? Or, are you saying that science is bigger than god?
if god didn't want it to survive, then why did it? If god is all powerful then surely he/she should be able to make sure his/her wishes are carried out.
again I disagree. The fact that so many people are born is evidence that it isn't a miracle. Miracles are unusual, largely unexplainable events. Birth is usual and easily explained when a basic knowledge of human anatomy and biology is present. Therefore I do not believe that it is a miracle at all. A miracle would be for a man to give birth.

I understand that. Perhaps you did not read my response. I changed the premise of the argument in my response. Here, i'll show you: "unless it was a naturally occurring birth defect/genetic disorder. in those cases, I guess god really did stick it to them."

i was being sarcastic about god. Obviously you did not understand the sarcasm.
excuse me? There is no reason to post to me with that attitude. You made a gross generalization about abortion, I disagreed. If you have a problem with my disagreement, then kindly send me a private message next time. There is no reason to berate me. And, I was not "jumping on (your) wagon." this isn't the debate forum, no one is out to get you. However, I did disagree with a generalization you made and I wanted to get my point across.

I can see where cambion and pro life would come in on this.

If the dr told you the baby was deformed/mental retardation why would you keep it you would not be able to expierence the joys of motherhood, also it would cost you so much money and whos money "yours" because our tax money covers disability.

Now before anyone says anything im not dissing disabled people, my dad has muscular dystrophy and my sister has cerebal palsy, but with normal treatment both my dad and sister live somewhat normal lives. If my dad could not walk or had died from his diesease I would not be here right now.

I took a risk when having kids, I know my son could possibly end up with md but that is chance I took knowing fully wel the consequence but he is fine so far (could be a ew years before it shows its true colours.)

from a pro-life standpoint yes life is beautiful depedning on the sitiuation I think some children should not be brought into this world. Life is beautiful and a if a child can comprehend that awesome, but if the child will never understand anything, never be able to walk/talk/see then I see no point to bring a life into this world to make the and the parents suffer that is just cruel.


If a dr recommends a medical termination as was done in my case I think it needs to be done, some things can be worked around but it all depends on the gravity o the sitiuation. I talked with mom/dad and genetic counsellors and everyone suggested termination or my first pregnancy and I will never judge someone for that.

Jenn. Lets just agree to dissagree, like you said this isnt the debate forum. So I wont go quoting eveything you say. You find what I said offensive and I find what you said offensive. Lets just leave it at that.

Oh and also. I didnt say science is better than god. Science .Vs religion is two topics I dont go near cause I agree with some science and some religion. For instance noah's ark. But lets let this rest now cause I am not going into a discussion about religion and science.

I just deleted a post of yours here on the pro-choice boards.

I already warned you, and told you that pro-lifers are not supposed to post here, and instructed you to read the rules. You have clearly not heeded my advice.

Since you like crying to the admins so much, maybe I should get them to ban you for repeated offenses. P.M me if you want to discuss it. Any further posts on the pro-choice forum will be deleted, unless you miraculously become pro-choice.