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Abortion Pictures From Pro-life Topic
Posted: 09-05-06 17:50pm

Http://speedy-affiliat e.Com/abortion.Html

keep the .Html capitalized.

Most of these images are from late-term abortions, which are... As has been constantly stated... Very rare.

The fake "baby malachi" images are in there still, even though everyone knows those are fake. Also, several of those fetuses look like they were dead long before they were aborted; and were thus probably removed after they died by themselves in the womb, in order to save the mother's life.

The most common abortions do not look like these images!!
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Posted: 09-05-06 17:59pm

Anyone know what early term, say six weeks to twelve weeks, abortions "look" like?

Everything is propaganda, though. Nevermind.
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Posted: 09-06-06 08:43am

birch wrote:
anyone know what early term, say six weeks to twelve weeks, abortions "look" like?

well, I did see the fetus after my miscarriage (around 11weeks) and I swear it was nowhere near anything like that. It was tiny, yes it looked like a fetus (as in a textbook) but using images of those abortions wouldn't be so "heartwrenching" :roll:
also, I didn't see anywhere on that page "i could have been the next hitler"....
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Posted: 09-06-06 11:31am

Just more proof that pro-lifers need to lie to support their cause. I've been directed to many of these abortion sites and they all contain pictures of late-term abortions or stillborn fetuses - but since no one cares to find actual pictures of fetuses aborted at ten weeks and compare them to dead 30-week fetuses, people will be duped into believing that fetuses look exactly like babies from the moment of conception.

I know a while back I saw some trucks driving around the city with huge pictures of allegedly aborted fetuses plastered across the sides. It showed a fetus aborted at ten weeks - fully intact. As far as I know, fetuses aborted at ten weeks are aborted in pieces through a vacuum. This fetus was also very developed - it was most likely a third-trimester abortion or stillbirth. People who are clueless about this believe this bulls*it.

The fact that pro-lifers need to lie and deceive people is proof enough of how weak their argument is, so I don't know why they even bother. Show me a pro-lifer who can support their beliefs without religion or lies, and i'll show you the snowball in hell.
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Posted: 09-06-06 12:20pm

What do yall really know about abortion? I mean this honestly. I'm not trying to stir caca up because i'm not completely pro-life. You say pro-lifers need to lie to support their cause. Well, abortion clinics lie also. They say things like "oh, it's not painful to have a d&c." that's a lie if I ever heard one. I've heard many ppl say it was extremely painful. They tell you "oh, it looks nothing like a baby right now." it might not look like a baby in the very beginning but i've seen sonograms of babies at 9 weeks, 10 weeks, etc... They are still small of course but look human. They aren't a blob of cells like some people think they are. I do agree about the images you guys were talking about though. Most of them are later or fake all together. I just wish both sides would cut the bs you know? Like, why can't girls know nothing but the honest to god facts? Cut out the crap about religion and stop trying to negate the fact that it's a baby. If it's gonna be painful, tell the girl! Give her more counseling before to prepare her for mental aspects of it instead of saying "is anyone making you do this?" and if she says no then go ahead. I just really hate aspects of both sides.
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Posted: 09-06-06 18:18pm

Many of the women on here either work in clinics, or actually have had abortions, so I think they know a whole lot.


If clinics have to try and make an abortion seem "less scary", it is only because pro-life shoves their fear-mongering lies down every young woman's throat.


We don't try to negate the fact that it is a human, and it is a fetus, and it is alive. We don't like to use the word "baby" because it is a loaded word, and we pe-choicers prefer to be scientifically accurate.


I don't mean this reply to incite drama... Just trying to say it as it is ^_^
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Posted: 09-06-06 18:28pm

Jennyj, I agree that no information should be withheld from women seeking abortions, especially if it will be their first. It doesn't always hurt, because the woman can choose to be put under anesthesia during the prodecure - she might be achey afterward, but I digress. Fetuses look vaguely like babies until about the second trimester - until then, they look like beans with veins.

I do know what abortions entail - I have watched many abortion videos (including silentscream.Com) and read about the procedures. It's not exactly pretty (interesting to me, but not pretty), but I realize abortions can be life-savers to lots of women.

You want to hear the lies? I'll be glad to share them. Pro-lifers throw all kinds of crap to women seeking abortions, like "it hurts the fetus" - no it doesn't. Fetuses' brains aren't developed enough to register pain until the third trimester. They say abortions cause breast cancer - no they don't. There is no proof of this, not even on the american cancer society's website - I think, of all sources, they would have something if this claim was true.

They say abortion renders women infertile or sterile - no it doesn't. Childbirth and pregnancy do more damage to a woman's body than abortion does, and a woman would have a better chance of losing her fertility and childbearing abilities due to birthing a child. They say abortion is against god's will because you're 'playing god' - ivf, c-sections, surrogacy, and even popping an aspirin are all forms of playing god, yet these are deemed acceptable because they promote life rather than take it away.

All these lies they throw at people - it's so sick. The worst part is they tell their biased bulls*it to women in the support forum, and these women get misled by incorrect information. When it comes to that, it's not even about being pro-life or pro-choice - it's about telling the truth versus telling lies, and I think any woman seeking abortion deserves to know the truth about it rather than get infected with pro-life garbage.

The pro-choicers - the ones who care about the woman and her health more than the fetus' - are the real pro-lifers. The people we currently refer to as pro-lifers are merely anti-choice, anti-woman, and anti-truth. I'm not trying to bash on you, jennyj - I just wanted to support my claims. I apologize if I sounded like I was ranting/b*tching at you; I was just ranting in general, honest.
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Posted: 09-07-06 06:57am

jennyj wrote:
what do yall really know about abortion?

quite alot to be honest, I did plenty of research before I had one.

jennyj wrote:
i've seen sonograms of babies at 9 weeks, 10 weeks, etc... They are still small of course but look human. They aren't a blob of cells like some people think they are. .

i've seen sonograms too and frankly they don't look like much at that gestation but of course they are human.
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Re: How Could Someone Do That?
Posted: 09-08-06 22:10pm

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those pictures make my stomache turn. How could someone do that to a baby? If you lay down with a man you should take full responibility. That means if you get pregnant, and you don't want the baby, give it to someone who wants a baby. That is so sad :cry: I just wanted to post my opioion on this subject.


don't do it here. This is the pro-choice forum. We feel that if you have sex and get pregnant and it is a bad time, you have the right to an abortion. These pcitures you see are not from typical abortions.
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Re: How Could Someone Do That?
Posted: 09-09-06 13:50pm

sherry24 wrote:
those pictures make my stomache turn. How could someone do that to a baby? If you lay down with a man you should take full responibility. That means if you get pregnant, and you don't want the baby, give it to someone who wants a baby. That is so sad Crying
or Very sad I just wanted to post my opioion on this subject.


oh so if a woman is raped its her fault edit you!!


A woman should take full responsibility eh? Well let me tell the god awful truth woman and your not going to like it, it takes two people to have sex and organism from eachs body in order to produce.


A baby until it cant feed itself/breathe on its own is a edit parasite and woman can control what they would like to do something with it, read up on parasite fetus fits right under it. No offense to some people!


Second off if a woman want to give a child up for adoption, fostercare,keep it or have an abortion it is her edit choice because until that baby is born it is not a living being.


A living being is something that can breathe on its own, provide its own food source and beable to communicate!


Edit you .A.N.T.I .W.O.M.A.N .A.N.T.I.C.H.O.I.C.E and .A.N.T.I.R.I.G.H.T.S it is our bodies and we will make choice not lil idiots like you
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Posted: 09-11-06 19:24pm

Check out this website:
ht tp://www.Lifeandlibertyforwomen.Org/truth_ about_photos.Html

(remember to fix the capitalization)

it has a few of the most famous and widely used anti-choice pictures (including malachai) and explains how they are false.

Most of the pictures that are claimed to be of abortions are actually doctored images of stillbirths in the second or third trimester.

The fact is that at the time when the majority of abortions are performed (along with the most common method of abortion), there is very little that looks like a baby. There is mostly blood, goop, and tissue. You don't see hands or fingers, you don't see eyelids. The pictures that the anti-choice people parade around look like fully formed neonates and are misleading because less than 1/2 of 1% of abortions take place at that level of development. Those that do take place that late are performed to save the life or health of the woman without exception.

So, if the pictures really were of abortions (which I highly doubt), then the anti-choice people are being misleading because they are failing to tell you that the woman had no choice because at that stage of the pregnancy, abortions are only legal to save the woman. If the pictures are not of abortions, (which I highly suspect) then the anti-choice people are flat out lying about their authenticity.

And, if you are trying to claim that your position is the only moral position (as anti-choicers do), then you should have no need to lie or mislead anyone. If yours is the moral choice, then it should be enough on its own without resorting to lies.
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Posted: 09-12-06 10:33am

Hi girls, thought id add my little bit. I think this is a great topic tyna.



Maybe hypocritical pro-lifers *ahem* might understand finally that not all abortions look like the pictures shown. Maybe just maybe they will finally understand that they are in fact wrong. To use those pictures as an example of abortion is both idiotic and disgraceful to the pro-lifers name. They make themselves look like fools. As people have mentioned before that those pictures are late abortions, not 9 week abortions. They really make me laugh. No really.



Idiots.



This is why im proud to be pro-choice.



They are hypocritical, and brainwash other people into being pro-life using either fake, or late pictures to turn other people. Whereas we use true, real statements, backed up by proof. Then let them make their own decision.

*pah*


what is this world coming too. One day it will be seperated by the clever. And dumb-asses.
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Posted: 10-02-06 08:13am

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if clinics have to try and make an abortion seem "less scary", it is only because pro-life shoves their fear-mongering lies down every young woman's throat.

We don't try to negate the fact that it is a human, and it is a fetus, and it is alive. We don't like to use the word "baby" because it is a loaded word, and we pe-choicers prefer to be scientifically accurate.


actually, most of the pro-choicers I know constantly say that a fetus isn't truly a human. I agree that there are pro-lifers who should just learn to keep their mouths shut, since most of them don't know how to debate the topic properly. It's "oh, well god says it's a sin" and "those pro-choicers are complete monsters!" the people who debate intelligently are often drowned out by the idiots.

The same is with pro-choicers. There are some really good debaters on the topic out there, but most of them are being drowned out by the people using sexist and unintelligent statements like "only women suffer" and "potential human".

Those photos are definitely not the best way to win people to the 'pro-life side' unless you're aiming for youths such as teenagers, who won't understand what is being said when the credibility of the photos is challenged. I don't know why people would misrepresent them like that, because it makes them seem like they don't care if they see those pictures, authentic or not, which questions the aunthenticity of the the pro-lifers. [i've been to a protest before, and though i'm against abortion, I was surprised and appauld by the way some of the people talked and displayed those pictures. Sad ]
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Posted: 10-02-06 08:57am

dani_robin wrote:
eiri wrote:
if clinics have to try and make an abortion seem "less scary", it is only because pro-life shoves their fear-mongering lies down every young woman's throat.


We don't try to negate the fact that it is a human, and it is a fetus, and it is alive. We don't like to use the word "baby" because it is a loaded word, and we pe-choicers prefer to be scientifically accurate.



actually, most of the pro-choicers I know constantly say that a fetus isn't truly a human. I agree that there are pro-lifers who should just learn to keep their mouths shut, since most of them don't know how to debate the topic properly. It's "oh, well god says it's a sin" and "those pro-choicers are complete monsters!" the people who debate intelligently are often drowned out by the idiots.


The same is with pro-choicers. There are some really good debaters on the topic out there, but most of them are being drowned out by the people using sexist and unintelligent statements like "only women suffer" and "potential human".


Those photos are definitely not the best way to win people to the 'pro-life side' unless you're aiming for youths such as teenagers, who won't understand what is being said when the credibility of the photos is challenged. I don't know why people would misrepresent them like that, because it makes them seem like they don't care if they see those pictures, authentic or not, which questions the aunthenticity of the the pro-lifers. [i've been to a protest before, and though i'm against abortion, I was surprised and appauld by the way some of the people talked and displayed those pictures. Sad ]



a fetus is a fetus as per its name(scietific at the time of gestation) a baby/human is when the fetus comes out of a womans vagina, sorry if I seem crude.

I all pro woman, I believe in choice and I belive that by having a womans choice removed you are removing her right to make choices/decisions in what case they expect a woman to stay at home, produce 10/15 kids and be happy. Unfortunatly our world isnt like that and not everyone is catholic/christian, personally I was baptized catholic and I am agnostic I hate my religion.

Why do I hate my religion, when I went to get my kids baptized they refused them at 13 different churches because we dont live in their vincity "donate my money" to them although I would have donated for the baptism arrggh!!!
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Posted: 10-02-06 12:44pm

I just checked out the site jenn provided...Most of those pictures i've seen and rolled my eyes at before, but the last picture looked like a freaking pink manatee. The pile of alleged fetus limbs looked like they were made from taffy. Sorry, but I had to laugh at some of them - i'm surprised the b/s "roasted fetus" picture off snopes isn't on there too.

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ually, most of the pro-choicers I know constantly say that a fetus isn't truly a human


it's an easy thing to understand. Most pro-choicers believe that, while a fetus is human in nature, it is not a person. A lot of people tend to use "human" and "person" interchangeably. No one denies a fetus is composed of human cells and dna, but if you claim that a fetus and a fully-grown person with their own beliefs and personality who can do things for themselves (thinking, walking, breathing, etc.) are the same thing, you are way overdue for a cat scan.
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Posted: 10-02-06 17:08pm

cambion wrote:
i just checked out the site jenn provided...Most of those pictures i've seen and rolled my eyes at before, but the last picture looked like a freaking pink manatee. The pile of alleged fetus limbs looked like they were made from taffy. Sorry, but I had to laugh at some of them - i'm surprised the b/s "roasted fetus" picture off snopes isn't on there too.


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ually, most of the pro-choicers I know constantly say that a fetus isn't truly a human


it's an easy thing to understand. Most pro-choicers believe that, while a fetus is human in nature, it is not a person. A lot of people tend to use "human" and "person" interchangeably. no one denies a fetus is composed of human cells and dna, but if you claim that a fetus and a fully-grown person with their own beliefs and personality who can do things for themselves (thinking, walking, breathing, etc.) are the same thing, you are way overdue for a cat scan.
well said.
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Posted: 10-26-06 12:18pm

jungle juice wrote:
moo wrote:
jennyj wrote:
what do yall really know about abortion?

quite alot to be honest, I did plenty of research before I had one.




jennyj wrote:
i've seen sonograms of babies at 9 weeks, 10 weeks, etc... They are still small of course but look human. They aren't a blob of cells like some people think they are. .

i've seen sonograms too and frankly they don't look like much at that gestation but of course they are human.
r u b b I s h homicide e r s


not mur'ders honey by any streach of the imagination!

What exactly is "rubbish" about that post?
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Posted: 10-26-06 13:14pm

I am extremely pro-choice. I think the day that anyone has the right to tell me what I can and can't, should and shouldn't do with my body will be a cold, cold day. Everyone has the right to an opinion, but for you pro-lifers, make your own choices!!!

For women who were raped and conceived a child during that horrible act, or for someone who openly knows that they can't take care of themselves, let alone a child, or for anyone who knows that this just isn't the right time for them. Why bring a child into this cruel world if you dont' want them?

Personally I have never had to have an abortion, but once had to ponder whether it was the right choice for me at that time. It was the most horribe thing to have to think about. It isn't an easy decision and it doesn't come without sadness and confusion. You think about all the things you read about and see, and how the activists show all of those filthy signs that are not true. They even harass you ouside the clinic in my town. They don't care about the baby, or the woman. They just care about their illogical cause.
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Posted: 10-26-06 13:55pm

You have some good points mommy35! Great article jennsmithson I have seen several abortions including my own and none of them looked like those pictures, I did not really want to have my abortions but did not have much choice as with both of them they were near death and with one I even had staph infection from waiting too long to abort, if I had not had my choice I might have been dead due to the fact of having to wait to go through all of the red tape to get an okay for the abortion just like a friend of mine did years ago, more like a friend of the family because abortion was illegal at that time, she received the okay 2 days after she died, no dr would touch her, not even the back-yard butcher they knew that she would bleed out without the professional help and no one should have to go through this. These pictures are rediculous and misleading I feel!
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Posted: 10-30-06 10:31am

jenn_smithson wrote:
check out this website:
ht tp://www.Lifeandlibertyforwomen.Org/truth_ about_photos.Html

(remember to fix the capitalization)

it has a few of the most famous and widely used anti-choice pictures (including malachai) and explains how they are false.



just to let you guys know I acually had the pleasure to talk to the woman who created the site and was really impressed with the info she provided to the point I looked think up further in my areas.

Someone I know is pregnant and would to know her choice and how they will affect her so she went to birthright(parenting clinc supposed to be support) and they ran a complete guilt trip on her.

So after calling 5 places I finally got one who was able to point me in the right direction (planned parenthood) in which they have a program call "option" where they provide an unbiased couselling session.
If anyone in canada is looking for assistance in regards to choices or information on abortion here is there number!

Canadian abortion right action league
(613-789-9958) ext 222
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