Most of these images are from late-term
abortions, which are... As has been
constantly stated... Very rare.
The fake "baby malachi" images are in
there still, even though everyone knows
those are fake. Also, several of those
fetuses look like they were dead long
before they were aborted; and were thus
probably removed after they died by
themselves in the womb, in order to save
the mother's life.
The most common abortions do not look like
these images!!
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Birch
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Posted: 09-05-06 17:59pm
Anyone know what early term, say six weeks
to twelve weeks, abortions "look" like?
Everything is propaganda, though.
Nevermind.
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Moo
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Posted: 09-06-06 08:43am
birch
wrote:
anyone know what early term,
say six weeks to twelve weeks, abortions
"look" like?
well, I did see the fetus after my
miscarriage (around 11weeks) and I swear
it was nowhere near anything like that.
It was tiny, yes it looked like a fetus
(as in a textbook) but using images of
those abortions wouldn't be so
"heartwrenching" :roll:
also, I didn't see anywhere on that page
"i could have been the next hitler"....
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Cambion
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Posted: 09-06-06 11:31am
Just more proof that pro-lifers need to
lie to support their cause. I've been
directed to many of these abortion sites
and they all contain pictures of late-term
abortions or stillborn fetuses - but since
no one cares to find actual pictures of
fetuses aborted at ten weeks and compare
them to dead 30-week fetuses, people will
be duped into believing that fetuses look
exactly like babies from the moment of
conception.
I know a while back I saw some trucks
driving around the city with huge pictures
of allegedly aborted fetuses plastered
across the sides. It showed a fetus
aborted at ten weeks - fully intact. As
far as I know, fetuses aborted at ten
weeks are aborted in pieces through a
vacuum. This fetus was also very
developed - it was most likely a
third-trimester abortion or stillbirth.
People who are clueless about this believe
this bulls*it.
The fact that pro-lifers need to lie and
deceive people is proof enough of how weak
their argument is, so I don't know why
they even bother. Show me a pro-lifer who
can support their beliefs without religion
or lies, and i'll show you the snowball in
hell.
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JennyJ
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Posted: 09-06-06 12:20pm
What do yall really know about abortion?
I mean this honestly. I'm not trying to
stir caca up because i'm not completely
pro-life. You say pro-lifers need to lie
to support their cause. Well, abortion
clinics lie also. They say things like
"oh, it's not painful to have a d&c."
that's a lie if I ever heard one. I've
heard many ppl say it was extremely
painful. They tell you "oh, it looks
nothing like a baby right now." it might
not look like a baby in the very beginning
but i've seen sonograms of babies at 9
weeks, 10 weeks, etc... They are still
small of course but look human. They
aren't a blob of cells like some people
think they are. I do agree about the
images you guys were talking about though.
Most of them are later or fake all
together. I just wish both sides would
cut the bs you know? Like, why can't
girls know nothing but the honest to god
facts? Cut out the crap about religion
and stop trying to negate the fact that
it's a baby. If it's gonna be painful,
tell the girl! Give her more counseling
before to prepare her for mental aspects
of it instead of saying "is anyone making
you do this?" and if she says no then go
ahead. I just really hate aspects of both
sides.
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Posted: 09-06-06 18:18pm
Many of the women on here either work in
clinics, or actually have had
abortions, so I think they know a whole
lot.
If clinics have to try and make an
abortion seem "less scary", it is only
because pro-life shoves their
fear-mongering lies down every young
woman's throat.
We don't try to negate the fact that it is
a human, and it is a fetus, and it is
alive. We don't like to use the word
"baby" because it is a loaded word, and we
pe-choicers prefer to be scientifically
accurate.
I don't mean this reply to incite drama...
Just trying to say it as it is ^_^
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Cambion
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Posted: 09-06-06 18:28pm
Jennyj, I agree that no information should
be withheld from women seeking abortions,
especially if it will be their first. It
doesn't always hurt, because the woman can
choose to be put under anesthesia during
the prodecure - she might be achey
afterward, but I digress. Fetuses look
vaguely like babies until about the second
trimester - until then, they look like
beans with veins.
I do know what abortions entail - I have
watched many abortion videos (including
silentscream.Com) and read about the
procedures. It's not exactly pretty
(interesting to me, but not pretty), but I
realize abortions can be life-savers to
lots of women.
You want to hear the lies? I'll be glad
to share them. Pro-lifers throw all kinds
of crap to women seeking abortions, like
"it hurts the fetus" - no it doesn't.
Fetuses' brains aren't developed enough to
register pain until the third trimester.
They say abortions cause breast cancer -
no they don't. There is no proof of this,
not even on the american cancer society's
website - I think, of all sources, they
would have something if this claim was
true.
They say abortion renders women infertile
or sterile - no it doesn't. Childbirth
and pregnancy do more damage to a woman's
body than abortion does, and a woman would
have a better chance of losing her
fertility and childbearing abilities due
to birthing a child. They say abortion is
against god's will because you're 'playing
god' - ivf, c-sections, surrogacy, and
even popping an aspirin are all forms of
playing god, yet these are deemed
acceptable because they promote life
rather than take it away.
All these lies they throw at people - it's
so sick. The worst part is they tell
their biased bulls*it to women in the
support forum, and these women get misled
by incorrect information. When it comes
to that, it's not even about being
pro-life or pro-choice - it's about
telling the truth versus telling lies, and
I think any woman seeking abortion
deserves to know the truth about it rather
than get infected with pro-life garbage.
The pro-choicers - the ones who care about
the woman and her health more than the
fetus' - are the real pro-lifers. The
people we currently refer to as pro-lifers
are merely anti-choice, anti-woman, and
anti-truth. I'm not trying to bash on
you, jennyj - I just wanted to support my
claims. I apologize if I sounded like I
was ranting/b*tching at you; I was just
ranting in general, honest.
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Moo
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Posted: 09-07-06 06:57am
jennyj
wrote:
what do yall really know
about abortion?
quite alot to be honest, I did plenty of
research before I had one.
jennyj
wrote:
i've seen sonograms of
babies at 9 weeks, 10 weeks, etc... They
are still small of course but look human.
They aren't a blob of cells like some
people think they are.
.
i've seen sonograms too and frankly they
don't look like much at that gestation but
of course they are human.
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Re: How Could Someone Do That? Posted: 09-08-06 22:10pm
sherry24
wrote:
those pictures make my
stomache turn. How could someone do
that to a baby? If you lay down with a
man you should take full responibility.
That means if you get pregnant, and you
don't want the baby, give it to someone
who wants a baby. That is so sad :cry:
I just wanted to post my opioion on this
subject.
don't do it here. This is the pro-choice
forum. We feel that if you have sex and
get pregnant and it is a bad time, you
have the right to an abortion. These
pcitures you see are not from typical
abortions.
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Re: How Could Someone Do That? Posted: 09-09-06 13:50pm
sherry24
wrote:
those pictures make my
stomache turn. How could someone do
that to a baby? If you lay down with a
man you should take full responibility.
That means if you get pregnant, and you
don't want the baby, give it to someone
who wants a baby. That is so sad I just
wanted to post my opioion on this
subject.
oh so if a woman is raped its her fault
edit you!!
A woman should take full responsibility
eh? Well let me tell the god awful truth
woman and your not going to like it, it
takes two people to have sex and organism
from eachs body in order to produce.
A baby until it cant feed itself/breathe
on its own is a edit parasite and woman
can control what they would like to do
something with it, read up on parasite
fetus fits right under it. No offense
to some people!
Second off if a woman want to give a child
up for adoption, fostercare,keep it or
have an abortion it is her edit choice
because until that baby is born it is not
a living being.
A living being is something that can
breathe on its own, provide its own food
source and beable to communicate!
Edit you .A.N.T.I .W.O.M.A.N
.A.N.T.I.C.H.O.I.C.E and
.A.N.T.I.R.I.G.H.T.S it is our bodies and
we will make choice not lil idiots like
you
it has a few of the most famous and widely
used anti-choice pictures (including
malachai) and explains how they are
false.
Most of the pictures that are claimed to
be of abortions are actually doctored
images of stillbirths in the second or
third trimester.
The fact is that at the time when the
majority of abortions are performed (along
with the most common method of abortion),
there is very little that looks like a
baby. There is mostly blood, goop, and
tissue. You don't see hands or fingers,
you don't see eyelids. The pictures that
the anti-choice people parade around look
like fully formed neonates and are
misleading because less than 1/2 of 1% of
abortions take place at that level of
development. Those that do take place
that late are performed to save the life
or health of the woman without
exception.
So, if the pictures really were of
abortions (which I highly doubt), then the
anti-choice people are being misleading
because they are failing to tell you that
the woman had no choice because at that
stage of the pregnancy, abortions are only
legal to save the woman. If the pictures
are not of abortions, (which I highly
suspect) then the anti-choice people are
flat out lying about their authenticity.
And, if you are trying to claim that your
position is the only moral position (as
anti-choicers do), then you should have no
need to lie or mislead anyone. If yours
is the moral choice, then it should be
enough on its own without resorting to
lies.
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cherry88
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Posted: 09-12-06 10:33am
Hi girls, thought id add my little bit.
I think this is a great topic tyna.
Maybe hypocritical pro-lifers *ahem* might
understand finally that not all
abortions look like the pictures shown.
Maybe just maybe they will finally
understand that they are in fact wrong.
To use those pictures as an example of
abortion is both idiotic and disgraceful
to the pro-lifers name. They make
themselves look like fools. As people
have mentioned before that those pictures
are late abortions, not 9 week
abortions. They really make me laugh.
No really.
Idiots.
This is why im proud to be pro-choice.
They are hypocritical, and brainwash other
people into being pro-life using either
fake, or late pictures to turn other
people. Whereas we use true, real
statements, backed up by proof. Then let
them make their own decision.
*pah*
what is this world coming too. One day
it will be seperated by the clever. And
dumb-asses.
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dani_robin
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Posted: 10-02-06 08:13am
eiri
wrote:
if clinics have to try and
make an abortion seem "less scary", it is
only because pro-life shoves their
fear-mongering lies down every young
woman's throat.
We don't try to negate the fact that it is
a human, and it is a fetus, and it is
alive. We don't like to use the word
"baby" because it is a loaded word, and we
pe-choicers prefer to be scientifically
accurate.
actually, most of the pro-choicers I know
constantly say that a fetus isn't truly a
human. I agree that there are pro-lifers
who should just learn to keep their mouths
shut, since most of them don't know how to
debate the topic properly. It's "oh, well
god says it's a sin" and "those
pro-choicers are complete monsters!" the
people who debate intelligently are often
drowned out by the idiots.
The same is with pro-choicers. There are
some really good debaters on the topic out
there, but most of them are being drowned
out by the people using sexist and
unintelligent statements like "only women
suffer" and "potential human".
Those photos are definitely not the best
way to win people to the 'pro-life side'
unless you're aiming for youths such as
teenagers, who won't understand what is
being said when the credibility of the
photos is challenged. I don't know why
people would misrepresent them like that,
because it makes them seem like they don't
care if they see those pictures, authentic
or not, which questions the aunthenticity
of the the pro-lifers. [i've been to a
protest before, and though i'm against
abortion, I was surprised and appauld by
the way some of the people talked and
displayed those pictures. ]
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Posted: 10-02-06 08:57am
dani_robin
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
if clinics have to try and
make an abortion seem "less scary", it is
only because pro-life shoves their
fear-mongering lies down every young
woman's throat.
We don't try to negate the fact that it is
a human, and it is a fetus, and it is
alive. We don't like to use the word
"baby" because it is a loaded word, and we
pe-choicers prefer to be scientifically
accurate.
actually, most of the pro-choicers I know
constantly say that a fetus isn't truly a
human. I agree that there are pro-lifers
who should just learn to keep their mouths
shut, since most of them don't know how to
debate the topic properly. It's "oh,
well god says it's a sin" and "those
pro-choicers are complete monsters!" the
people who debate intelligently are often
drowned out by the idiots.
The same is with pro-choicers. There are
some really good debaters on the topic out
there, but most of them are being drowned
out by the people using sexist and
unintelligent statements like "only women
suffer" and "potential human".
Those photos are definitely not the best
way to win people to the 'pro-life side'
unless you're aiming for youths such as
teenagers, who won't understand what is
being said when the credibility of the
photos is challenged. I don't know why
people would misrepresent them like that,
because it makes them seem like they don't
care if they see those pictures, authentic
or not, which questions the aunthenticity
of the the pro-lifers. [i've been to a
protest before, and though i'm against
abortion, I was surprised and appauld by
the way some of the people talked and
displayed those pictures.
]
a fetus is a fetus as per its
name(scietific at the time of gestation) a
baby/human is when the fetus comes out of
a womans vagina, sorry if I seem crude.
I all pro woman, I believe in choice and I
belive that by having a womans choice
removed you are removing her right to make
choices/decisions in what case they expect
a woman to stay at home, produce 10/15
kids and be happy. Unfortunatly our
world isnt like that and not everyone is
catholic/christian, personally I was
baptized catholic and I am agnostic I hate
my religion.
Why do I hate my religion, when I went to
get my kids baptized they refused them at
13 different churches because we dont live
in their vincity "donate my money" to them
although I would have donated for the
baptism arrggh!!!
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Cambion
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Posted: 10-02-06 12:44pm
I just checked out the site jenn
provided...Most of those pictures i've
seen and rolled my eyes at before, but the
last picture looked like a freaking pink
manatee. The pile of alleged fetus limbs
looked like they were made from taffy.
Sorry, but I had to laugh at some of them
- i'm surprised the b/s "roasted fetus"
picture off snopes isn't on there too.
Quote:
tr>
ually, most of
the pro-choicers I know constantly say
that a fetus isn't truly a
human
it's an easy thing to understand. Most
pro-choicers believe that, while a fetus
is human in nature, it is not a person. A
lot of people tend to use "human" and
"person" interchangeably. No one denies a
fetus is composed of human cells and dna,
but if you claim that a fetus and a
fully-grown person with their own beliefs
and personality who can do things for
themselves (thinking, walking, breathing,
etc.) are the same thing, you are way
overdue for a cat scan.
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jenn_smithson
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Posted: 10-02-06 17:08pm
cambion
wrote:
i just checked out the site
jenn provided...Most of those pictures
i've seen and rolled my eyes at before,
but the last picture looked like a
freaking pink manatee. The pile of
alleged fetus limbs looked like they were
made from taffy. Sorry, but I had to
laugh at some of them - i'm surprised the
b/s "roasted fetus" picture off snopes
isn't on there too.
Quote:
tr>
ually, most of
the pro-choicers I know constantly say
that a fetus isn't truly a
human
it's an easy thing to understand. Most
pro-choicers believe that, while a fetus
is human in nature, it is not a person.
A lot of people tend to use "human" and
"person" interchangeably. no one denies a
fetus is composed of human cells and dna,
but if you claim that a fetus and a
fully-grown person with their own beliefs
and personality who can do things for
themselves (thinking, walking, breathing,
etc.) are the same thing, you are way
overdue for a cat
scan.
well said.
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Posted: 10-26-06 12:18pm
jungle juice
wrote:
moo
wrote:
jennyj
wrote:
what do yall really know
about abortion?
quite alot to be honest, I did plenty of
research before I had one.
jennyj
wrote:
i've seen sonograms of
babies at 9 weeks, 10 weeks, etc...
They are still small of course but look
human. They aren't a blob of cells
like some people think they are.
.
i've seen sonograms too and frankly they
don't look like much at that gestation but
of course they are
human.
r u b b I s h homicide
e r s
not mur'ders honey by any streach of the
imagination!
What exactly is "rubbish" about that post?
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Mommy35
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Posted: 10-26-06 13:14pm
I am extremely pro-choice. I think the
day that anyone has the right to tell me
what I can and can't, should and shouldn't
do with my body will be a cold, cold day.
Everyone has the right to an opinion, but
for you pro-lifers, make your own
choices!!!
For women who were raped and conceived a
child during that horrible act, or for
someone who openly knows that they can't
take care of themselves, let alone a
child, or for anyone who knows that this
just isn't the right time for them. Why
bring a child into this cruel world if you
dont' want them?
Personally I have never had to have an
abortion, but once had to ponder whether
it was the right choice for me at that
time. It was the most horribe thing to
have to think about. It isn't an easy
decision and it doesn't come without
sadness and confusion. You think about
all the things you read about and see, and
how the activists show all of those filthy
signs that are not true. They even
harass you ouside the clinic in my town.
They don't care about the baby, or the
woman. They just care about their
illogical cause.
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Posted: 10-26-06 13:55pm
You have some good points mommy35! Great
article jennsmithson I have seen several
abortions including my own and none of
them looked like those pictures, I did not
really want to have my abortions but did
not have much choice as with both of them
they were near death and with one I even
had staph infection from waiting too long
to abort, if I had not had my choice I
might have been dead due to the fact of
having to wait to go through all of the
red tape to get an okay for the abortion
just like a friend of mine did years ago,
more like a friend of the family because
abortion was illegal at that time, she
received the okay 2 days after she died,
no dr would touch her, not even the
back-yard butcher they knew that she would
bleed out without the professional help
and no one should have to go through this.
These pictures are rediculous and
misleading I feel!
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diamondsz
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it has a few of the most famous and widely
used anti-choice pictures (including
malachai) and explains how they are
false.
just to let you guys know I acually had
the pleasure to talk to the woman who
created the site and was really impressed
with the info she provided to the point I
looked think up further in my areas.
Someone I know is pregnant and would to
know her choice and how they will affect
her so she went to birthright(parenting
clinc supposed to be support) and they ran
a complete guilt trip on her.
So after calling 5 places I finally got
one who was able to point me in the right
direction (planned parenthood) in which
they have a program call "option" where
they provide an unbiased couselling
session.
If anyone in canada is looking for
assistance in regards to choices or
information on abortion here is there
number!
Canadian abortion right action league
(613-789-9958) ext 222