Can someone please explain the difference
between this and what I said a while ago
to cherry 88.
cambion
wrote:
i could say the same for
you. I could sleep better at night
knowing someone as retarded as you was no
longer polluting the world and the gene
pool. So please do us all a favor and
take your own advice.
when I said it virtually everyone jumped
on me yet here is another person saying
the same thing and not a peep, why.?
I will tell you why, labels.
Just because I am pro life I am attacked
but when a pro choicer said the same thing
it was accepted, that is why this board
will always be argumentitive.Untill both
sides stop being hypocritical this board
will not change.I am just has guilty of it
as the next person but I have also
realised what I am doing and changed the
way I deal with things.
So maybe if both sides took their own to
task for the name calling we could meet in
the middle and I am damn sure if this
board was civil then we would get some new
members and maybe get rid of some of the
dramatists we have here.I have been having
an argument with cambion where every post
to me she called me a retard, now if I had
been calling her a retard then I could
guarentee certain pro choicers would of
jumped on me immediatly but they are
conspiciouse in their absence when it is
the other way round, just like when
diamondsplinter told cambion to commit
suicide pro life were conspiciouse by
their absence, I must say though I have
seen more pro lifers pulling other pro
lifers than I have pro choice.Both sides
are narrow minded I was told today that I
could not believe in a womans right to
abortion because I was personally pro life
[ thanx eiri for understanding and
speaking out ] so this shows that pro
choice are as stuck as pro life, I think
it really should be called pro and anti
abortion because some agree with abortion
but not the death penalty, some dont agree
with abortion but do agree with the death
penalty.
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diamond splinter
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Posted: 09-03-06 12:50pm
I voted no because if we don't agree to
the right to abortion we are automaticaly
women haters just like if you agree with
the right to abortion you are baby haters
and I can't see either side changing I
know I for one will never see the need to
abort so I will never agree to the right
for abortion just like pro choice will
never see that the fetous has the right to
life so they will always fight for the
right to abort there is no middle ground
it is either right or it is wrong and
never the stand shall change
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sandyallen
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Oops, I apologize, I misread it.
No drama here!
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Meandering Away
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Posted: 09-03-06 15:35pm
sandyallen
wrote:
again, we are not pro
abortion, we are pro-choice, we are not
small minded and we do care, it is up to
those that need an abortion, that is why
we are more open minded. If someone
wants to carry on with the pregnancy then
that is great, it is what that female and
ssometimes couple wants. If you have
ever been through a bad pregnancy, you
might understand especially where the
fetus will mature or an incest pregnancy
or something like this or the mother is
going thru a mentally difficult time in
her life or their are a lot of reasons
where a baby is not good in her life at
this time, she should have this right, it
is not always her fault and neither is it
a easy
decision.
will you please answer the original
question there is no need to bring it down
thankyou.Where did anyone call pro choice
small minded or say that you do not care,
I can not see the need to start drama here
and saying stuff like that will cause
drama.
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trina1
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Posted: 09-03-06 18:05pm
In order to find a middle ground two
opposing sides must both be willing to
compromise their beliefs. Take the two
opposing abortion sides. In order to meet
in the middle...Pro-lifers would have to
be willing to agree that one human life
(the fetus) is an acceptable loss if
another human life (the mother) wants it
that way. It will never happen. Nor do I
ever see pro-choicers rethinking the
right one human life has over another.
The mothers "choice" will always be put
above the fetus' life in the pro-choice
view. When you are talking about human
life and death....I see very little room
or hope for compromise.
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Cambion
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Posted: 09-03-06 18:24pm
People on this forum will never reach an
accord or middle ground because there are
way too many closed-minded immature people
(looks at some of those who made posts in
this thread). And the reason why no one
whined and lowed at me for telling someone
to commit suicide or insulting them is
becuase i'm never the one who starts the
fights around here - it's you damn
pro-lifers. In most cases in question, it
was one of you who began the off-topic
debate and not me. Therefore, you are at
fault for being warmongers.
You don't want to have insults thrown at
you, then quit starting petty fights.
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trina1
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Posted: 09-03-06 18:44pm
cambion
wrote:
people on this forum will
never reach an accord or middle ground
because there are way too many
closed-minded immature people (looks at
some of those who made posts in this
thread). And the reason why no one
whined and lowed at me for telling someone
to commit suicide or insulting them is
becuase i'm never the one who starts the
fights around here - it's you damn
pro-lifers. In most cases in question,
it was one of you who began the off-topic
debate and not me. Therefore, you are
at fault for being warmongers.
You don't want to have insults thrown at
you, then quit starting petty
fights.
this situation goes much deeper than just
this board. This board is however a good
example of the real world. People don't
know how to express themselves without
insulting and name calling....Which can
tend to lead to things much more
insidious. Look at the world around us
and I think you will understand what I
mean. I am sorry...But it doesn't
impress me....Or sway me to someones side
when the only thing they have going for
them is a foul mouth and an unending list
of derrogatory names. That is not a
debate....That is a playground
argument....And I don't know about
you....But I left those behind....Some
years back. While I admit there are some
pl'rs on here that delight in fighting
instead of debating....The pc shouldn't
start shining their halo's just yet
either. You have a couple on here too
that love nothing more than to show what
true nastiness is all about. This board
is for debate....And yes....If you are
here you are going to be disagreed with
and sometimes that can be quite maddening,
but if you are looking to be constantly
"yessed"....Then you need to be on the pc
board and not venture to places where
others disagree with you. The best way to
really get someone good on a debate board
is to 1)know your topic and debate it well
and 2)always show enough self respect not
to stoop to name calling and insults.
You know......It takes two to fight.
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Tylanas
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I believe both sides can find a middle
ground, just look at me and cowboys. We
both agree on basically everything.
I do think that in the end, pro-life is
going to have to become less extreme, and
admit that there is more than just one
case where abortion is okay (more than
just the case of the mother dying).
That's going to be hard because some
pro-life don't even approve of abortion
even in that case! Some pro-lifers are so
crazy that they would rather see a mother
and fetus die from an ectopic pregnancy,
than see the mother saved and the fetus
killed.
Pro-choice has to change too. The most
extreme members re going to have to admit
that it is bad to take a human life, even
such a young one. Or, they'll at least
have to admit and consider the feelings of
others, who do feel it is a bad thing.
So, pro-choice is going to have to become
far more proactive in promoting
birthcontrol, instead of abortion. Also,
we should not be promoting abortion as a
form of birth control; rather as a last
resort. Some pro-choicers are so crazy
that they think abortion is fine as a sole
form of birth control!
Some pro-lifers are so crazy they think
contraception makes women promiscuous.
Some pro-choicers are so crazy they think
no child should ever be born.
Some pro-lifers can't separate their
religion and science.
Some pro-choicers won't even admit the
fetus is alive and human.
Both sides have extremeists that need to
be weeded out and dealt with.
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Meandering Away
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Posted: 09-04-06 02:22am
cambion
wrote:
people on this forum will
never reach an accord or middle ground
because there are way too many
closed-minded immature people (looks at
some of those who made posts in this
thread). And the reason why no one
whined and lowed at me for telling someone
to commit suicide or insulting them is
becuase i'm never the one who starts the
fights around here - it's you damn
pro-lifers. In most cases in question,
it was one of you who began the off-topic
debate and not me. Therefore, you are at
fault for being warmongers.
You don't want to have insults thrown at
you, then quit starting petty
fights.
i have asked you not to reply to me you
are too immature to debate with, I used to
take you serious but now I know that these
are just the sad ramblings of a immature
18 year old.Do they know you also wished
death on her children eh, you just love
the drama don't you.
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Jules
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Posted: 09-04-06 07:07am
I think .Eiri made some excellent points.
There are always going to be extremists on
both sides who will see things as black
and white when a subject like abortion
just isn't that simple. There are also
those people who thrive on being as
inflammatory as possible because it gives
them attention when people bite back.
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Meandering Away
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Posted: 09-04-06 07:22am
purestgreen
wrote:
i think .Eiri made some
excellent points.
There are always going to be extremists on
both sides who will see things as black
and white when a subject like abortion
just isn't that simple. There are also
those people who thrive on being as
inflammatory as possible because it gives
them attention when people bite
back.
i know I shouldn't bite back but I cannot
stop myself sometimes, anyway do you think
the two sides could meet in the middle.
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Jules
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Posted: 09-04-06 07:38am
Cowboys I wasn't having a dig at you - I
have a bit of a fiery temper myself
sometimes.
I don't think both sides can meet in the
middle, unfortunately. I would love to
say I believe that they could but with an
issue as complex as abortion I just don't
see it happening.
In my opinion, the subject of abortion is
similar to that of religion; it comes
down to beliefs. If you believe that
abortion is simply terminating the
development of an embryo/foetus which has
no right to life then you are not going to
be able to agree with someone who believes
that, no matter how small, the z/e/f is a
baby and to kill it is immoral.
Human nature means we will never all agree
on everything.
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Moo
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Posted: 09-04-06 08:32am
trina1
wrote:
the mothers "choice" will
always be put above the fetus' life in the
pro-choice view.
.
i think this is the whole crux of why
there is little hope of "meeting in the
middle" - I personally will never believe
a z/e/f has a right to life, especially
one that overshadows the womans right to
chose - I know some pro-lifers will never
believe that a woman has the right to
decide whether she continues that
pregnancy or not (not talking about
abortions to preserve life of the woman
here).
Of course there are places both sides can
agree;
if you have no objection to birth control
then i'd say both sides would like to see
it improved
surely we all think sex education should
be better?
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Meandering Away
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Posted: 09-04-06 08:36am
moo
wrote:
trina1
wrote:
the mothers "choice" will
always be put above the fetus' life in the
pro-choice view.
.
i think this is the whole crux of why
there is little hope of "meeting in the
middle" - I personally will never believe
a z/e/f has a right to life, especially
one that overshadows the womans right to
chose - I know some pro-lifers will never
believe that a woman has the right to
decide whether she continues that
pregnancy or not (not talking about
abortions to preserve life of the woman
here).
Of course there are places both sides can
agree;
if you have no objection to birth control
then i'd say both sides would like to see
it improved
surely we all think sex education should
be better?
me I believe that they both have an equal
right to life and as the one who is
already here makes the decision then has
it is her life then so be it.
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Cambion
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Posted: 09-04-06 10:18am
Quote:
i have asked you
not to reply to me you are too immature to
debate with, I used to take you serious
but now I know that these are just the sad
ramblings of a immature 18 year old.Do
they know you also wished death on her
children eh, you just love the drama don't
you.
i don't give a damn what you say to me,
you illiterate waste of space. If you
don't like my presence, then get off the
damn board and go do something worthwhile,
like parenting your kid. Funny how you're
a parent and you find all this time to
rant on the internet - shouldn't you be
off dedicating your time to your precious
angel?
You're one to talk about maturity when you
are the antithesis of it. Just because
you don't like my opinion isn't going to
stop me from posting it.
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Meandering Away
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Posted: 09-04-06 10:31am
cambion
wrote:
Quote:
i have asked you
not to reply to me you are too immature to
debate with, I used to take you serious
but now I know that these are just the sad
ramblings of a immature 18 year old.Do
they know you also wished death on her
children eh, you just love the drama don't
you.
i don't give a damn what you say to me,
you illiterate waste of space. If you
don't like my presence, then get off the
damn board and go do something worthwhile,
like parenting your kid. Funny how
you're a parent and you find all this time
to rant on the internet - shouldn't you be
off dedicating your time to your precious
angel?
You're one to talk about maturity when you
are the antithesis of it. Just because
you don't like my opinion isn't going to
stop me from posting
it.
yawn *yawn*
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diamond splinter
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Posted: 09-04-06 10:31am
cambion
wrote:
Quote:
i have asked you
not to reply to me you are too immature to
debate with, I used to take you serious
but now I know that these are just the sad
ramblings of a immature 18 year old.Do
they know you also wished death on her
children eh, you just love the drama don't
you.
i don't give a damn what you say to me,
you illiterate waste of space. If you
don't like my presence, then get off the
damn board and go do something worthwhile,
like parenting your kid. Funny how
you're a parent and you find all this time
to rant on the internet - shouldn't you be
off dedicating your time to your precious
angel?
You're one to talk about maturity when you
are the antithesis of it. Just because
you don't like my opinion isn't going to
stop me from posting
it.
wind your neck in grow up and learn some
people skills you hypocrite
as for cowboys needing to look after his
child well hun have you never heard of 2
parent families where your from.
If anyone should leave the board then it
is you as you are the only one that has no
real stance you are neither pro life nor
pro choice so go figure you should be the
only one leaving sweetie
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Cambion
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Posted: 09-04-06 10:42am
Quote:
wind your neck in
grow up and learn some people skills you
hypocrite
as for cowboys needing to look after his
child well hun have you never heard of 2
parent families where your from.
If anyone should leave the board then it
is you as you are the only one that has no
real stance you are neither pro life nor
pro choice so go figure you should be the
only one leaving
sweetie
cowboys is a man? Wow, that's one of the
most pathetic examples of masculinity i've
ever come across. I feel bad for his
wife/girlfriend too...Then again her iq
must be room temperature along with his if
she got with him and had his kid in the
first place.
Also, I would just love to see you guys
make me leave. Since you have expressed
your desire for me to leave, i'll be
staying for a long, long time. People who
know how to be mature and not whine at me
like babies for expressing my two cents
(which is what everyone else does) are the
ones who I do not feel the need to rant at
- a couple people in this forum have
achieved this and I have respect for them
and their opinions. They know who they
are. However, I lose respect for those
who can't handle differing opinions and
who attack with immaturity, like cowboys
and a few other people around here.
Anyway, i'm done arguing with this child
who refers to himself as a man, which I
find mildly amusing.
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diamond splinter
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Posted: 09-04-06 10:45am
cambion
wrote:
Quote:
wind your neck in
grow up and learn some people skills you
hypocrite
as for cowboys needing to look after his
child well hun have you never heard of 2
parent families where your from.
If anyone should leave the board then it
is you as you are the only one that has no
real stance you are neither pro life nor
pro choice so go figure you should be the
only one leaving
sweetie
cowboys is a man? Wow, that's one of
the most pathetic examples of masculinity
i've ever come across. I feel bad for
his wife/girlfriend too...Then again her
iq must be room temperature along with his
if she got with him and had his kid in the
first place.
Also, I would just love to see you guys
make me leave. Since you have expressed
your desire for me to leave, i'll be
staying for a long, long time. People
who know how to be mature and not whine at
me like babies for expressing my two cents
(which is what everyone else does) are the
ones who I do not feel the need to rant at
- a couple people in this forum have
achieved this and I have respect for them
and their opinions. They know who they
are. However, I lose respect for those
who can't handle differing opinions and
who attack with immaturity, like cowboys
and a few other people around here.
Anyway, i'm done arguing with this child
who refers to himself as a man, which I
find mildly
amusing.
hahahahhaahahaha almost as amusing as you
claiming to be a woman hey what the hell
transgenders are welcome so stay hun
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sandyallen
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Posted: 09-04-06 16:35pm
I would love to say, sure, we can meet in
the middle but in all reality we are all
different and believe differently.
I feel we are all allowed here as long as
we do not call others names and go by the
rules, if someone wants to talk down on me
or call me names, I realize that they are
just talking about themselves, I do not
plan to waste my time on them, I have a
life, I am much more mature then that, it
is just easier to me just to ignore them
and let them belittle themselves.
