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Moo on August 29th, 2006
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pregnant is one of women's deepest desires in life. .

that's a huge generalisation, even though I would like children in the future it's certainly not one of my "deepest desires". Many women are very happy chosing not to have children, many women simply want to wait (f it was that deep a desire then why would there be so much contraception/abortion around?)

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I am dying to have a baby myself and I get so jealous of all my friends becoming pregnant. .

and that's your feeings towards pregnancy. Personally I don't want children yet and am by no means jealous of anyone who does become pregnant - i'm happy for them if they are happy!

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why women are terrified that they are infertile, terrified their biological clocks ticking. Women want and dream to be moms (except cambion of course hehe).

again, not all women do dream of becoming a mother and I think the worry for infertility could equally be that women want the choice of becoming mothers and don't want the option taken away from them.

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it is bizarre to desire to end a pregnancy.

and you're entitled to your opinion. I personally think it's bizarre to bring unwanted children into the world but it's out of my control and all you can do is allow women to make their own life decisions.
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Cambion replied on August 29th, 2006
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not every woman "desires" to become pregnant... Child free couples actually outnumber couples with children. Reality check needed for jamie.


damn, I always thought we childfree were the minority. Maybe it just seems that way because of the stupid people who breed like rabbits and make up for those of us who choose not to further pollute the planet.
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jenn_smithson replied on August 29th, 2006
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As to the original topic of this forum, the alan guttmacher institute has performed numerous studies about abortion and the after effects of abortion as has the american psychological association.

The apa, specifically, has found that for women, the stressful event is the unplanned pregnancy, not necessarily the abortion. In fact, the apa found that for 86% of women, a clear majority, the feelings they most often reported after an abortion were relief. Abortion was seen by the majority of women in the study as a successful resolution of the stress of an unplanned pregnancy.

The alan guttmacher institute has found similar results.
here. and here.

as to the discussion as it stands now, comparison surveys of women who were in their reproductive years prior to roe and those after .D.O show a marked difference in their views toward motherhood, the enjoyment they received from motherhood, and the satisfaction they received from their lives as a whole. the way we never were is an excellent book which helps to detail part of this. In the book, it was found that many women pre-roe felt trapped into motherhood. They did not have the information on pregnancy or contraception and thus, they became pregnant when they did not wish to be (another good book for this is the girls who went away). Further, because the majority did feel trapped, they felt that they were required to be mother's even though they felt that they did not choose it for themselves. They felt obligated, in other words, and this, in turn, had a drastic impact on how they viewed their children and what type of parent they were.

Comparatively, because the choice now exists for many mothers (and fathers as well), parenting is viewed differently than it was in the past as are parental responsibilities. To put it shortly, parents today do achieve a greater satisfaction from being parents than those in the past because they were able to freely choose it for themselves at a time when they have the most to give to their offspring. And, parents today are, in fact, spending more time with their children than parents in the past (as reported by the children in both instances), especially fathers.

It is not an accident that women and men are putting off getting married until their late 20s and putting off having children until their 30s. It's not that they are trying to play beat the clock (especially not when you consider the fertility treatments that are available today which can extend our fertility into our 50s if necessary), it is that they are trying to build the best foundation in which to be able to be good parents. Parents who are constantly worried about the rent or putting food on the table have less time and energy to devote to their children than parents who have steady incomes. Parents with only a highschool education have less time to devote to their children (largely because they have to work so hard just to survive) than parents with higher education levels. Higher education takes time to accumulate and it is in that time that people today are putting off having children.

The biggest difference has been seen in men. Fathers today take more time to be with their children, play with their children, and teach their children than any other fathers in the past. Because we are able to control our fertilities until we are ready to become parents, father's no longer have to be solely responsible for the financial well-being of the family. This has taken enormous pressure off of men and they, in turn, have taken their free time and become better fathers. The father's of today (generation x and y) are much better fathers than their own and even exress greater joy from having children than their own fathers.

Women, in turn, have been largely freed from their fertility and because of this have messed into colleges, trade, graduate, law, and medical schools in numbers never before experienced. With their new educations, women have been able to add to their families income and therefore provide a more sound foundation in which to bear and rear children.

More and more, birth control and abortion, whether you believe in either or practice either, have led to generations of better parents. Parents who do not feel trapped or obligated and parents who have the educations and incomes to give their children what they need to thrive and develop into their own independent individuals capable of supporting themselves.
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msrosie replied on August 29th, 2006
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Everyone makes choices they later regret - it's a fact of life. The vast majority of smokers eventually regret ever lighting their first cigarette, yet it remains legal to purchase and use tobacco products. Studies have consistently shown that the vast majority of women who abort have no lasting negative affects.

I have zero regrets for aborting 18 years ago and i'd do it again in a new york minute. It's my opinion that many of those who do regret it are influenced by some of the antichoice propaganda out there, and from hearing about how women who abort are such baaaaaaaaaad people from them.
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nightangel73 replied on August 29th, 2006
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comparatively, because the choice now exists for many mothers (and fathers as well), parenting is viewed differently than it was in the past as are parental responsibilities. To put it shortly, parents today do achieve a greater satisfaction from being parents than those in the past because they were able to freely choose it for themselves at a time when they have the most to give to their offspring. And, parents today are, in fact, spending more time with their children than parents in the past (as reported by the children in both instances), especially fathers.

It is not an accident that women and men are putting off getting married until their late 20s and putting off having children until their 30s. It's not that they are trying to play beat the clock (especially not when you consider the fertility treatments that are available today which can extend our fertility into our 50s if necessary), it is that they are trying to build the best foundation in which to be able to be good parents. Parents who are constantly worried about the rent or putting food on the table have less time and energy to devote to their children than parents who have steady incomes. Parents with only a highschool education have less time to devote to their children (largely because they have to work so hard just to survive) than parents with higher education levels. Higher education takes time to accumulate and it is in that time that people today are putting off having children.


The biggest difference has been seen in men. Fathers today take more time to be with their children, play with their children, and teach their children than any other fathers in the past. Because we are able to control our fertilities until we are ready to become parents, father's no longer have to be solely responsible for the financial well-being of the family. This has taken enormous pressure off of men and they, in turn, have taken their free time and become better fathers. The father's of today (generation x and y) are much better fathers than their own and even exress greater joy from having children than their own fathers.

Women, in turn, have been largely freed from their fertility and because of this have messed into colleges, trade, graduate, law, and medical schools in numbers never before experienced. With their new educations, women have been able to add to their families income and therefore provide a more sound foundation in which to bear and rear children.

More and more, birth control and abortion, whether you believe in either or practice either, have led to generations of better parents. Parents who do not feel trapped or obligated and parents who have the educations and incomes to give their children what they need to thrive and develop into their own independent individuals capable of supporting themselves.


cambion did you read this? See we are living in good times. Parents are good nowadays. No problem with breading like rabbits. The way we going soon we won't have children in foster care.
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Cambion replied on August 30th, 2006
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Parents are much more catered to and coddled these days in comparison to years past, but I think it's harder to actually be a parent these days with all the crap about gentle discipline and everyone breathing down your neck about your parenting skills. There is a problem with the serial breeding, but i'm in no mood to rant about the gross overpopulation of this planet. Those people who find it acceptable to have a brood of a dozen or more kids are the ones I secretly hope will have their homes struck by meteors. I don't care who I offend by saying this, but the fact of the matter is, with so many goddamn people in the world today, no one has any business having kids. Whether or not you're a good parent, the birth of each new child is contributing to the inevitable downfall of the planet. But I know no one cares about the future and that they are condemning their kids to suffering in adulthood, so I suppose the truth will fall upon deaf ears until it's too late...And then it will be someone else's fault.

And honestly, the only way we would ever see fewer or no children in foster care is if we start euthanizing them. There will never be a shortage of unwanted children because there's a surplus of stupid people in this world who insist on making more and more unwanted kids. Hell, I see no problem starting with the source and dragging said stupid people out into the road and blowing them away. Like we need their stupidity further polluting the gene pool anyway.
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Tylanas replied on August 30th, 2006
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going to the original post I think that what happens is think about it, becoming pregnant is one of women's deepest desires in life. I am dying to have a baby myself and I get so jealous of all my friends becoming pregnant. Why women are terrified that they are infertile, terrified their biological clocks ticking. Women want and dream to be moms (except cambion of course hehe). Think about it. It is bizarre to desire to end a pregnancy.


it sure as hell isn't mine. I'm terrified of becoming pregnant, and i'd want to end it as soon as possible. It's backwards thinking like yours "oh, every single female ont he planet wants to get pregnant and be a baby machine!" that drives the fundamentalists into wanting to remove all of women's rights. It starts out with you people overturning roe-v-wade... And then slowly wages begin to fall, and the next thing you know we can't vote any more. We're just emotional, stupid, baby machines, right? We don't have any other desire in life except to pop out babies! (/sarcasm)
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Meandering Away replied on August 30th, 2006
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parents are much more catered to and coddled these days in comparison to years past, but I think it's harder to actually be a parent these days with all the crap about gentle discipline and everyone breathing down your neck about your parenting skills. There is a problem with the serial breeding, but i'm in no mood to rant about the gross overpopulation of this planet. Those people who find it acceptable to have a brood of a dozen or more kids are the ones I secretly hope will have their homes struck by meteors. I don't care who I offend by saying this, but the fact of the matter is, with so many goddamn people in the world today, no one has any business having kids. Whether or not you're a good parent, the birth of each new child is contributing to the inevitable downfall of the planet. But I know no one cares about the future and that they are condemning their kids to suffering in adulthood, so I suppose the truth will fall upon deaf ears until it's too late...And then it will be someone else's fault.


And honestly, the only way we would ever see fewer or no children in foster care is if we start euthanizing them. There will never be a shortage of unwanted children because there's a surplus of stupid people in this world who insist on making more and more unwanted kids. Hell, I see no problem starting with the source and dragging said stupid people out into the road and blowing them away. Like we need their stupidity further polluting the gene pool anyway.


anti woman retoric and you have the audacity to accuse pro life of being women haters, what the hell does that make you.If a pro lifer said any woman who aborted should be dragged into the streets and shot there would be hell to pay, yet here you are saying women who want children should be blown away, you are not pro choice in anyway you are just a hypocrite mysoginist.
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diamond splinter replied on August 30th, 2006
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parents are much more catered to and coddled these days in comparison to years past, but I think it's harder to actually be a parent these days with all the crap about gentle discipline and everyone breathing down your neck about your parenting skills. There is a problem with the serial breeding, but i'm in no mood to rant about the gross overpopulation of this planet. Those people who find it acceptable to have a brood of a dozen or more kids are the ones I secretly hope will have their homes struck by meteors. I don't care who I offend by saying this, but the fact of the matter is, with so many goddamn people in the world today, no one has any business having kids. Whether or not you're a good parent, the birth of each new child is contributing to the inevitable downfall of the planet. But I know no one cares about the future and that they are condemning their kids to suffering in adulthood, so I suppose the truth will fall upon deaf ears until it's too late...And then it will be someone else's fault.


And honestly, the only way we would ever see fewer or no children in foster care is if we start euthanizing them. There will never be a shortage of unwanted children because there's a surplus of stupid people in this world who insist on making more and more unwanted kids. Hell, I see no problem starting with the source and dragging said stupid people out into the road and blowing them away. Like we need their stupidity further polluting the gene pool anyway.



suicide sounds like a good place to start for you cambion you sick hypocritical nerd
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diamond splinter replied on August 30th, 2006
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suicide sounds like a good place to start for you cambion you sick hypocritical nerd


take some of your own advise, cunt. Or better yet, go volunteer for a rape crisis line and spew your "you dirty whore, you deserved to be raped" shit there. I'm sure a couple of hours into it, someone will beat the living shi[b][/]bt out of you.



yawn don't waste your time you bore me
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Moo replied on August 30th, 2006
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suicide sounds like a good place to start for you cambion you sick hypocritical nerd

that's not very pro-life - I thought pro-life was against premature death, not just anti-aortion?
Whilst I personally don't agree with the sentiments cambion I don't think this was called for and I don't see why everything seems to descend into name calling.
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diamond splinter replied on August 30th, 2006
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moo wrote:
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suicide sounds like a good place to start for you cambion you sick hypocritical nerd

that's not very pro-life - I thought pro-life was against premature death, not just anti-aortion?

Whilst I personally don't agree with the sentiments cambion I don't think this was called for and I don't see why everything seems to descend into name calling.


and nor is wanting to wipe out mothers and force abortion very pro choice so your point is?
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Moo replied on August 30th, 2006
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I said I don't agree with what she's said so yes, I am pro-choice as I don't agree with forced parenting or forced abortion.
The point is that if you're pro-life why would you advocate suicide, even if it was an angry reaction, that's my point
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Cambion replied on August 30th, 2006
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anti woman retoric and you have the audacity to accuse pro life of being women haters, what the hell does that make you.If a pro lifer said any woman who aborted should be dragged into the streets and shot there would be hell to pay, yet here you are saying women who want children should be blown away, you are not pro choice in anyway you are just a hypocrite mysoginist.


pro-lifers are woman haters because they don't care about the welfare of the woman or her feelings - they just care about saving some little clump of flesh. Pro-lifers aren't about saving lives - they're about controlling someone else's life...So pro-lifers are actually anti-life. And hey I didn't say women who want children are stupid - women who make kids just to stick them in foster care are stupid. But I guess it's the way to go if you want the joy of being a "parent" without the effort involved. You're one to talk about hypocrites, too...person. Try actually reading what I write before whining at me like the pathetic sad sack you are.

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suicide sounds like a good place to start for you cambion you sick hypocritical nerd


i could say the same for you. I could sleep better at night knowing someone as retarded as you was no longer polluting the world and the gene pool. So please do us all a favor and take your own advice.

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whilst I personally don't agree with the sentiments cambion I don't think this was called for and I don't see why everything seems to descend into name calling.


you've been here for quite a while, moo - at this point, do you really expect pro-lifers to act mature?
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jenn_smithson replied on August 30th, 2006
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cambion did you read this? See we are living in good times. Parents are good nowadays.
fallacy. I did not say or imply anything of the sorts. I did say that parents, on the whole (the majority), are spending more quality time with their children than parents in the past and enjoy having children more than their own parents did. If you read, .The way we never were by stephanie coontz, you will gain a deeper understanding of parenting and marriage today as compared to parenting and marriage in the past.
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no problem with breading like rabbits.
I didn't say this either. The fact is that more and more people are choosing to put off having children and are having far fewer children than they have in the past, in the .U.S. People in other countries, especially less developed countries, have similar reproduction (and mortality) rates that we did in our past.
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the way we going soon we won't have children in foster care.
this was never stated or implied anywhere. I'm afraid you've just made this up yourself. People choosing to adopt (domestically) and foster have, unfortunately, changed very little.
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msrosie replied on August 30th, 2006
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it sure as hell isn't mine. I'm terrified of becoming pregnant, and i'd want to end it as soon as possible.



same here, eiri. I find the tought of myself being pregnant abhorrent. No way will I *ever* gestate. I'd rather have a root canal every day for a month than go through pregnancy and childbirth.
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diamond splinter replied on August 31st, 2006
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moo wrote:
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suicide sounds like a good place to start for you cambion you sick hypocritical nerd

that's not very pro-life - I thought pro-life was against premature death, not just anti-aortion?


Whilst I personally don't agree with the sentiments cambion I don't think this was called for and I don't see why everything seems to descend into name calling.



yes well this phsyco is very worrying seriously I fear for the lives of mothers and children with a phsyco like her on the loose myra and ian spring to mind you could just imagine her doing a thomas hamilton and opening fire on a group of nursery kids just for the edit of it sick sick edit thaty she is no mother and child are safe with people like her in the world.
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Cambion replied on August 31st, 2006
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yes well this phsyco is very worrying seriously I fear for the lives of mothers and children with a phsyco like her on the loose myra and ian spring to mind you could just imagine her doing a thomas hamilton and opening fire on a group of nursery kids just for the hell of it sick sick nerd thaty she is no mother and child are safe with people like her in the world.


dabble a little too deep in the hallucinogens today? I could imagine you being the kind to advocate the bombing of an abortion clinic. I think the world would be far better off without crazy raving retards like yourself. Please consider removing yourself from the gene pool so there will be as few future generations of your stupidity as possible. Since pro-life ethics only really apply to fetuses, I am not asking you to violate your beliefs.

And hey, just because I hate children doesn't mean i'd hurt them. I feel just as bad for neglected or abused kids as the next person. But hey, it's nice to know that someone can know everything about me and my personality from assumptions. I strongly suggest you grow up before trying to make an argument, because you only further prove how retarded you really are every time you post.
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diamond splinter replied on August 31st, 2006
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yes well this phsyco is very worrying seriously I fear for the lives of mothers and children with a phsyco like her on the loose myra and ian spring to mind you could just imagine her doing a thomas hamilton and opening fire on a group of nursery kids just for the hell of it sick sick nerd thaty she is no mother and child are safe with people like her in the world.


dabble a little too deep in the hallucinogens today? I could imagine you being the kind to advocate the bombing of an abortion clinic. I think the world would be far better off without crazy raving retards like yourself. Please consider removing yourself from the gene pool so there will be as few future generations of your stupidity as possible. Since pro-life ethics only really apply to fetuses, I am not asking you to violate your beliefs.


And hey, just because I hate children doesn't mean i'd hurt them. I feel just as bad for neglected or abused kids as the next person. But hey, it's nice to know that someone can know everything about me and my personality from assumptions. I strongly suggest you grow up before trying to make an argument, because you only further prove how retarded you really are every time you post.



your the one wanting to k.Ill mothers and children you phsyco so don't come the crap you wouldn't hurt children you have already stated that you would like to rid the world of mothers and children hypocrit
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lil_blaze2004 replied on August 31st, 2006
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Umm rid the world of mother's and children so who would be left?? No one as everyone was a child once??
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