Abortion Debate Forum - Good Idea page 2

Tylanas on August 27th, 2006

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Like I said, darwinism. Education needs to be better. Mothers need to talk to their children. I am so lucky that I learned most of what I needed to know from highschool health class and my own natural curiosity ont he subject. Most girls don't get a good education on this stuff in school, and most girls aren't as interested in learning as I am. I hate to say it, but it's true. Geeky girls are rare.

Still... There are stupid people out there, and if they do stupid things, I don't feel sorry for them. Ignorace can be fixed with education, stupidity cannot.

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coughburp replied on August 28th, 2006

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I think that it is great to be otc. The earlier taken the more effective it is! Also, it can be helpful for rape victims as well. Some rape victims are too scared or embarrassed to go to the doctor (i wish they weren't) b/c they were raped by someone they knew or a family member. I think having the map to be otc, it would help.

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diamond splinter replied on August 29th, 2006

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coughburp wrote:

i think that it is great to be otc. The earlier taken the more effective it is! Also, it can be helpful for rape victims as well. Some rape victims are too scared or embarrassed to go to the doctor (i wish they weren't) b/c they were raped by someone they knew or a family member. I think having the map to be otc, it would help.

and in the meantime a rapist goes free to do the same to another female :roll:

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coughburp replied on August 29th, 2006

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diamond splinter wrote:

coughburp wrote:

i think that it is great to be otc. The earlier taken the more effective it is! Also, it can be helpful for rape victims as well. Some rape victims are too scared or embarrassed to go to the doctor (i wish they weren't) b/c they were raped by someone they knew or a family member. I think having the map to be otc, it would help.

and in the meantime a rapist goes free to do the same to another female :roll:

do you honestly think that rape victims first thought is to help save other females from the same thing? No :eyeroll: have you ever been raped? Do you know what you would do if something like that happened? I'm going to bet the answer is no. Imagine a woman who gets raped by her boyfriend who abuses her, she would be too scared to go to a doctor. Honestly....

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diamond splinter replied on August 29th, 2006

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coughburp wrote:

diamond splinter wrote:

coughburp wrote:

i think that it is great to be otc. The earlier taken the more effective it is! Also, it can be helpful for rape victims as well. Some rape victims are too scared or embarrassed to go to the doctor (i wish they weren't) b/c they were raped by someone they knew or a family member. I think having the map to be otc, it would help.

and in the meantime a rapist goes free to do the same to another female :roll:

do you honestly think that rape victims first thought is to help save other females from the same thing? No :eyeroll: have you ever been raped? Do you know what you would do if something like that happened? I'm going to bet the answer is no. Imagine a woman who gets raped by her boyfriend who abuses her, she would be too scared to go to a doctor. Honestly....

then you have just lost your bet sweetie was I raped yes did I report it to stop the same happening to another woman you bet your ass I did only somebody totaly self absorbed and selfish would leave a rapist free to re offend

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Meandering Away replied on August 29th, 2006

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coughburp wrote:

diamond splinter wrote:

coughburp wrote:

i think that it is great to be otc. The earlier taken the more effective it is! Also, it can be helpful for rape victims as well. Some rape victims are too scared or embarrassed to go to the doctor (i wish they weren't) b/c they were raped by someone they knew or a family member. I think having the map to be otc, it would help.

and in the meantime a rapist goes free to do the same to another female :roll:

do you honestly think that rape victims first thought is to help save other females from the same thing? No :eyeroll: have you ever been raped? Do you know what you would do if something like that happened? I'm going to bet the answer is no. Imagine a woman who gets raped by her boyfriend who abuses her, she would be too scared to go to a doctor. Honestly....

question have you ever been raped, do you know what you would do, I bet the answer is no.Ask yourself this if you were raped and went to the police to find out that he had done it before but the woman did not report it, you will be happy that because she did not report him he was not charged so he was able to rape you.I do not think so, women report it women do not, some have the strength to go to the police, in england there are special suites in police stations for victims there are even specially trained officers to deal with them.So are you saying that nothing should be done against abusive boyfriends so they can beat on another woman, why are you so anti woman.

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Moo replied on August 29th, 2006

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did I report it to stop the same happening to another woman you bet your ass I did only somebody totaly self absorbed and selfish would leave a rapist free to re offend

that's brilliant that you had the strength to report it but not all women do. I have a close friend who has been raped and she didn't want to face going to the police, she was scared to relive it and scared because often it's the women who feel they are being prosecuted if it does go to trial (and the number of those that end in conviction are as low as around 14%). My friends first priority was checking her sexual health (including taking the map), although she was reluctant to do so because she was so traumatised. She wasn't being self absorbed or selfish - she was protecting herself while she was in shock.
Of course, in an ideal world, every rape would be reported and every rapist would be imprisoned and placed on the sex offenders register for life but that just doesn't happen.

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diamond splinter replied on August 29th, 2006

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moo wrote:

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did I report it to stop the same happening to another woman you bet your ass I did only somebody totaly self absorbed and selfish would leave a rapist free to re offend

that's brilliant that you had the strength to report it but not all women do. I have a close friend who has been raped and she didn't want to face going to the police, she was scared to relive it and scared because often it's the women who feel they are being prosecuted if it does go to trial (and the number of those that end in conviction are as low as around 14%). My friends first priority was checking her sexual health (including taking the map), although she was reluctant to do so because she was so traumatised. She wasn't being self absorbed or selfish - she was protecting herself while she was in shock.

Of course, in an ideal world, every rape would be reported and every rapist would be imprisoned and placed on the sex offenders register for life but that just doesn't happen.

protecting herself whilst leaving another woman at risk from the perp .
Do you know that it is proven fact that women whom report thier rapist phycologicaly recover quicker than those that don't report it?

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Cambion replied on August 29th, 2006

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As some have already said, I can understand why a woman's first thought after bring raped is not "i need to go to the police!" they feel so many things at once - fear, shame, guilt. Tons of emotions hitting them simultaneously, and the last thing a woman who was raped is going to think about is the welfare of other women she doesn't even know. Yeah, preaching to the choir...I know.

It's a lot easier to assume rape victims will immediately run to authorities and report the person who assaulted them. People who are victims of sexual abuse often feel the abuse was somehow their fault, or they deserved it, and it makes them more inclined to not tell anyone about what happened.

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Moo replied on August 29th, 2006

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That may well be true but in the initial days after her rape prosecuting him and protecting other women wasn't her first and foremost thought, she was traumatised and no-one had the right to push her to do something she was horribly uncomfortable about when she knew the likely outcome would be increased trauma for herself and her family whilst being called a liar and most probably having him get let off at the end of it.

Like I said, it's brilliant that you found the strength to report ut not all women can and I don't condemn them for doing what they feel is best to keep themselves floating.

However, this is off topic from whether the map should be sold over the counter.

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jenn_smithson replied on August 29th, 2006

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cambion wrote:

i've heard that it's become official that emergency contraception is being sold over-the-counter. And i'm freaking thrilled to hear it. When there is an emergency (as indicated in the name of the pill), women don't always have the opportunity to get a prescrpition - their doctor might be away, it could be a long weekend, they may have to wait, or maybe they can't afford an emergency room visit. Then there's also the issue of retarded fundie catholic zealot pharmacists who will refuse women plan b because it's against god's will, or some other b/s.

the last condom I had break (before I went on the pill a few years ago), was on a friday night before a labor (or memorial, I get the two confused) day holiday. So, my doctor was not available until tuesday (and it doesn't matter because he refuses to prescribe ec) and the local planned parenthood wasn't opened until tuesday either. So, I had to wait four days and it starts becomming less effective after 3. That's why i'm so glad it will finally be sold over the counter.

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the availability of plan b over-the-counter will help a lot of women, and my hope in the human race is almost restored. Almost. Now if planned parenthood would start giving out free abortion vouchers, the world would be so much better.

please, we're already seen as an evil entity. Giving out free abortions, while helpful to many women who have to scrape the funds together, would just give ammunition to those who try to claim that that's all we do when in fact it is a very small percentage of the services that we provide.

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jenn_smithson replied on August 29th, 2006

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moo wrote:

that may well be true but in the initial days after her rape prosecuting him and protecting other women wasn't her first and foremost thought, she was traumatised and no-one had the right to push her to do something she was horribly uncomfortable about when she knew the likely outcome would be increased trauma for herself and her family whilst being called a liar and most probably having him get let off at the end of it.

Like I said, it's brilliant that you found the strength to report ut not all women can and I don't condemn them for doing what they feel is best to keep themselves floating.

However, this is off topic from whether the map should be sold over the counter.

as someone who works with women, this issue is not cut and dry. You're not a hero if you report and selfish if you do not. There are a multitude of different variables that come into play for a rape victim and each victim is different, experiencing the horrific trauma differently, and having to cope differently with different levels of support.

On top of that, the examination following a rape is quite invasive in and of itself and usually has the effect of making the victim relive it. During a full examination, fluids are extracted from the vagina and this can be painful following a rape because the vagina, labia, and other genitalia can be bruised, swollen, cut, etc. Then, hair samples must be taken. This, in and of itself, is painful becaue the roots have to be plucked out with the hairs to differentiate the victim's hair from any left by the rapist. If there are any foreign objects or substances, even those that are adhering to the victims skin, they must be collected even if it means scraping them off of a bruised area.

Then, the real fun starts because it is automatically assumed that a rape victim has had trauma to her anus whether she reports it or not. So, the same thing has to happen to the anus with the plucking of hairs, collecting of fluids, etc.

Any bite marks or other bruises have to be swabbed and then photographed.

Some rape victims cannot even allow a speculum to be inserted because they were so incredibly traumatized during the rape. Without a speculum, the examination cannot continue and they, effectively, have ended the investigation.

It is not uncommon for a victim to not want to subject her traumatized self or body to this invasive procedure and i, frankly, don't blame them for not being able to go through with it.

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coughburp replied on August 29th, 2006

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I can't believe that people would call someone who doesn't report a rape self-absorbed....That's crazy! As for the question if I had been raped before, yes I have. Why didn't I report it? Well, let's see...I was 12, scared, and thought it was my fault. Like I said before, what if it was by a family member and they were too scared to go to the police or have a rape kit done...Some women find that torture seeing as they just got raped and all. I don't hate women, i'm a feminist. I just understand why women make the choices they do.

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coughburp replied on August 29th, 2006

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:lol: why can't I ever win?

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Tylanas replied on August 30th, 2006

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diamond splinter wrote:

coughburp wrote:

i think that it is great to be otc. The earlier taken the more effective it is! Also, it can be helpful for rape victims as well. Some rape victims are too scared or embarrassed to go to the doctor (i wish they weren't) b/c they were raped by someone they knew or a family member. I think having the map to be otc, it would help.

and in the meantime a rapist goes free to do the same to another female :roll:

it's not the woman's fault she's terrified of being murdered by him.

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Tylanas replied on August 30th, 2006

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coughburp wrote:

:lol: why can't I ever win?

i am so sorry for what happened to you, that can be a very traumatizing thing at that age!

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Cambion replied on August 30th, 2006

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:lol: why can't I ever win?

because it will interefere with pro-life logic...Wow, that sure is an oxymoron if I ever heard one.

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diamondsz replied on August 30th, 2006

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Yes pro-life means anti-choice,anti-rights oh but it gets better were self absorbed and selfish ouch.....

Man get a .E.D.I.T. Life hunny.....

Im sick of this edits pro-life is 100%completely anti-woman right if you dont think so then your pro-choice!!!!!

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coughburp replied on August 30th, 2006

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I also wanted to say that I wasn't the first he raped. He raped his 14 year old step-neice before me so I guess it's her fault I got raped. I guess I shouldn't be friends with her...I mean we did go through the same thing but hey, she's too selfish and self-absorbed. Some people....

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Meandering Away replied on August 31st, 2006

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diamondsz wrote:

yes pro-life means anti-choice,anti-rights oh but it gets better were self absorbed and selfish ouch.....

Man get a .E.D.I.T. Life hunny.....

Im sick of this edits pro-life is 100%completely anti-woman right if you dont think so then your pro-choice!!!!!

oh yeah and wanting to drag pregnant women out into the street and shooting them is sooo pro woman isn't it.
You lot complain about being lumped as one, well untill you lot have the backbone to argue against another pro choicer, [ because no matter what sick twisted statement a pro choicer comes out with they are not challenged by you lot ] you are not proving that you are not the same as lolbahlolbah.I have not heard a pro choicer argue against forced abortion or give the same anti woman hating crap that you give out to a pro lifer, look at the abuse youi have given to diamond splinter yet where is that abuse to cambion who wants to mass kill women, that is what dragging pregnant women into the street and shhoting them, you lot cannot see past the label before you attack.

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