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Q: Echogenic Bowel And Choroid Plexus Cyst
asked by: ladylori on August 8th, 2006
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My daughter(20years old) who is bipolar and 33 weeks pregnant, had an ultrasound at 18 weeks that shows a cpc with an echogenic bowel both are markers for trisomy 21( down syndrome) as well as other serious health issues for the baby. She did not have any further tests, she refused them and we just found out about the findings. How high is the risk of serious health issues with this baby? I am beyond frightened for her, and can not discuss with her as she doesn't know that I know yet. Any info would be appreciated.
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Tazzy D
replied on August 9th, 2006
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I was told with my last pregnancy that they seen echogenic bowel and etc. I was scared and got depressed and etc.. I went through all of the test and they told me that my baby was going to have downsyndrome and etc. Dont make her do all the test all it is going to do is stress her more. After all was said and done. My baby was perfect. There was nothing wrong with her other then she was allergic to milk... Just let your daughter be and let her handle this in her own way. As they saying goes a mother knows best.. Good luck to you and your family I hope that everything turns out okay.
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lil_blaze2004
replied on August 9th, 2006
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This is what I found: it's long.....


Echogenic bowel

what is echogenic bowel?
Echogenic bowel is a bright area, in the baby’s intestine, shown on the ultrasound.

What are the chances that my baby will be healthy?

There is a 53% to 85% chance that everything is fine. There is such a variable difference in this percentage because different sonograms and sonographers may designate different degrees of echogenic bowel differenlty. (see the next question.) thus, if your baby is diagnosed with a mild echogenic bowel on one machine, with one sonographer, it may not be diagnosed at all in a different situation or it may be diagnosed as more (or less) severe than what it really is.


How reliable is an "echogenic bowel" diagnosis from a sonographer?

An ultrasound machine uses soundwaves (not radiation) to look at your baby. These soundwaves bounce back at different speeds – like an echo in a cave. Soundwaves that connect with solid tissue (like bone) bounce back faster and show up brighter than soundwaves that connect with less dense structures (like liver). Echogenic bowel simply means that the baby’s bowel appears more dense than usual and looks brighter than normal on the ultrasound.

Now, it's important to note that the ultrasound machines can be set to different frequencies and that this can cause differentiations in the "brightness" of the results. In one study. Using an 8 mhz frequency, the radiologists interpreted 31% of cases as having echogenic bowel, whereas using the 5 mhz frequency, the radiologists interpreted only 3% of the cases as having echogenic bowel. Using the 8 mhz frequency, at least one of the radiologists interpreted echogenic bowel in 62% of the cases! (9)

what causes echogenic bowel?

There can be many reasons why the baby’s bowel is bright on ultrasound:

some non-harmful reasons:

some consider an echogenic bowel "a normal variant in second-trimester fetuses". (5)(7)
one common reason that a bowel might appear bright is immaturity of the baby’s intestine.
The baby may have swallowed a little amount of blood. (4) swallowing a small amount of blood is not harmful to the fetus. In most cases, echogenic bowel goes away over time.
Another cause could be an inaccurate sonogram reading.
Altered meconium composition (3)
some more serious problems:

chromosome abnormalities (including downs syndrome)
1% chance for cystic fibrosis (a genetic disease)(6)(7)
15-20% incidence rate for viral infections (most commonly cmv and torch)(7)
bowel wall ischaemia (fetal disease)(4).
Placental failure (5)
5% risk for cytogenetic problems, such as trisomy 21(7)
intestinal obstruction
a genetic counselor can discuss more specific risks for having a baby with one of these problems depending on the individual situation.


Are there different degrees of echogenic bowel?


3 (three) different degree or grades of echogenic bowel:

grade 1 echogenic bowel is very close to normal and the bowel is not very bright.
Grade 2 echogenic bowel describes a bowel that is slightly echogenic and is about as bright as liver.
Grade 3 echogenic bowel, which is the highest level, looks as bright as bone.


What sort of tests should be done if an echogenic bowel was found in our first sonogram?

Additional sonograms should be ordered to make sure of the accurateness of the first sonogram and because the echogenic bowel may spontaneously resolve itself and cause no problems for the newborn.(7) "serial sonograms may help to clarify the findings with special attention directed to abdominal ascites and other bowel findings such as dilatation or development of a meconium pseudocyst".(7)

will I be offered special testing?
When echogenic bowel is seen, a special test called an amniocentesis is offered. The amniocentesis test is done by removing a small amount of amniotic fluid surrounding the baby. This fluid can then be tested for chromosome abnormalities, infections and cystic fibrosis if appropriate. Your genetic counselor will discuss with you more about the benefits and risks of amniocentesis. Sometimes, blood tests can be done to check the risk of infection or cystic fibrosis. The tests that are offered are different for each couple. The testing that will be offered will depend upon family history, medical history, ethnic background and the grade or degree of echogenicity seen on the ultrasound. A genetic counselor can discuss the specific testing options available to you in more detail.


What if all the test results are negative (normal)?
After all the necessary test results are received, your genetic counselor can discuss what follow-up, if any, is needed. The follow-up will vary depending on the individual situation.


What if I have other positive markers?


In the presence of other risk factors, an amniocentesis should be discussed with your doctor.
Echogenic bowel with other signs of placental failure will require further growth/liquor/doppler assessment.
Any other markers or risk factors should prompt discussion of karyotyping.
Blood should be taken for torch screen and parvovirus serology in some situations.(it is reasonable to send maternal serum cmv igg and igm to rule out a primary infection. Because cmv has other clinical implications it is important to have this information prior to delivery.)(7)
if amniocentesis is offered in the presence of other soft markers, consideration should be given to dna analysis for cystic fibrosis. Alternatively parental carrier status may be offered on the understanding that any dna analysis will only detect the known mutations. Testing after the baby is born should be considered if prenatal testing is declined or negative. (these cases are complex and may require referral to fetal medicine centres).
Because cf mutation screening is readily available and reasonably accurate, clinicians may decide on a case by case basis whether or not to pursue this testing. It is best done when both parents are available and may assist the pediatricians in caring for the infant at birth.(7) if this testing comes back positive, the babies chances for having cystic fibrosis jumps from 1% to slightly under 12% following dna analysis.(8)
what complications are associated with echogenic bowel?

Within one study group, adverse outcomes occurred in 40 of the 64 fetuses (62%) with grade 2 or 3 bowel echogenicity, compared with five of the 31 fetuses (16%) with grade 1 echogenicity. Echogenic bowel is associated with an increased risk of adverse fetal outcome and this risk is confined primarily to grades 2 and 3 echogenicity.

Some of the complications included (see above "what causes echogenic bowel?" as well for more associations):


23% chance for intrauterine growth retardation (iugr)(5)(8)
low birth weight (5)
16.7% chance for fetal or neonatal death(8)
other fetal anomalies.


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lil_blaze2004
replied on August 9th, 2006
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tazzy d wrote:
i was told with my last pregnancy that they seen echogenic bowel and etc. I was scared and got depressed and etc.. I went through all of the test and they told me that my baby was going to have downsyndrome and etc. Dont make her do all the test all it is going to do is stress her more. After all was said and done. My baby was perfect. There was nothing wrong with her other then she was allergic to milk... Just let your daughter be and let her handle this in her own way. As they saying goes a mother knows best.. Good luck to you and your family I hope that everything turns out okay.


yes, tazzy's daughter is perfect and beautifull!!!
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ladylori
replied on August 9th, 2006
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Thank you for the input, I have already read that particular article, and have since found that several ultrasounds have shown the same. The cyst is very large, and I have concerns for her emotional well being as well. As I said she is bipolar and already has one child that she has nothing to do with, I adopted her last year and have had her since birth, she is now 16 months old. My concern is of course first for my daughter, I just don't know how to approach the situation. Any suggestions I appreciate.
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Becky
replied on August 10th, 2006
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Is she planning on keeping this baby? She is going to find it very difficult to cope if there is something wrong if she can't cope with a healthy baby. I urge you to make sure she gets on some long term birth control such as the implant or iud after the baby is born.
You need to talk this over with her. She may be mad that you know but it sounds like she is living in denial. Prepare yourself to help out with the new baby as she may need/want you to.

I wish you lots of luck with this
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ladylori
replied on August 10th, 2006
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Originally she did not want the baby, then the father was very happy, so she decided to keep it, but of course our family has been on edge due to the fact that she so easily gave up her first child. We have seen no drastic change in her emotions with this pregnancy, she is careless, does not take her meds etc. My concern is that she has not even told the father (we all assume he will leave upon finding out) and that is why she isn't saying anything. We have gotten medical consent to intervene after the birth she is having a tubaligation, and has agreed to it, but of course the issue at hand is this child she is having and her own emotional state. Not knowing the seriousness of the nature with this baby is making it very hard to prepare. She herself has serious medical problems as well as the mental illness and it is just such a mess. I have no issue helping with the child, but as you said she couldn't handle a healthy child. She never coped with her, she literally walked away, she even says she doesn't love her, that's she's not capable, and was institutionlized after the birth of the first child when postpartum hit. It's just such a rollercoaster ride. Thank you for all your input, it's so appreciated.
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kristinjake
replied on May 3rd, 2009
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Echogenic Bowel with low amonic low
Last Friday my wife had an ultrasound performed, the results of which
> where very grave. The doctor told us that there where many indications
> of trouble for the baby. To begin with the Amonic fluid was way to
> low, I believe a 5, in addition to that the ultrasound revealed that
> the baby had echogenic bowls, a possible indicator of cystic fibrosis,
> downs, or a virus that could cause deformity, death, retardation etc.
> Today we went to have a follow up ultra sound. The doctor was amazed,
> for not only had the ammonic fluid doubled to a 10, that there was no
> longer any indication of any other complications such as echogenic
> bowels. Further more the blood tests all came back indicating no
> current problems with viruses. The doctor said not only is there an
> improvement , but that there is a remarkable improvement, and that the
> baby is healthy. The Doctor told us to keep up what ever we where
> doing. I told the doctor that, in addition to drinking a lot of
> water, our congregation laid hands on my wife and prayed over her and
> the baby asking God and Jesus to heal her. Praise the Lord it's a miracle.
> Thanks
> For all who prayed for us
>
> Thanks For all the prayers, and support Jason
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MyConcern
replied on May 28th, 2009
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CF
Reading all of your posts have really up lifted me. Just yesterday my ultrasound detected echogenic bowels and I havent been right ever since. As everyone tells me this may be nothing, it is hard for me not to think about the SOMETHING that it may be. But I am going to calm down and wait for our blood work and take it one step at a time. Thank you and God Bless!
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NKC2009
replied on June 8th, 2009
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CF did you ever find out what happ'd? We had echogenic bowel at 20 week test and now we are told to talk to a genetic counsellor tomorrow.
I am freaking out a bit. Our NT scan was good at 1 in 2600 and the rest of the ultrasound showed all was good?
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kristinjake
replied on September 13th, 2009
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Do you believe in miracles? (Update: Healthy Baby Girl Born 9-3-09)?
Do you believe in miracles? (Update: Healthy Baby Girl Born 9-3-09)
Here is what happened. Last Friday my wife had an ultrasound performed, the results of which
where very grave. The doctor told us that there where many indications
of trouble for the baby. To begin with the Amonic fluid was way to
low, I believe a 5, in addition to that the ultrasound revealed that
the baby had echogenic bowls, a possible indicator of cystic fibrosis,
downs, or a virus that could cause deformity, death, retardation etc.
Today we went to have a follow up ultra sound. The doctor was amazed,
for not only had the ammonic fluid doubled to a 10, that there was no
longer any indication of any other complications such as echogenic
bowels. Further more the blood tests all came back indicating no
current problems with viruses. The doctor said not only is there an
improvement , but that there is a remarkable improvement, and that the
baby is healthy. The Doctor told us to keep up what ever we where
doing. I told the doctor that, in addition to drinking a lot of
water, our congregation laid hands on my wife and prayed over her and
the baby asking God and Jesus to heal her. Praise the Lord it's a miracle.
Thanks
For all who prayed for us

UPDATE: Our baby girl was just born on 9-3-09 she is perfectly healthy, thanks to God in all his Glory for this Miracle
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