Abortion Debate Forum - Response to Pro Choice

diamond splinter replied on August 7th, 2006

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I think it pertains to all death myself they never advocate adoption in fact they generaly go out of thier way to slate adoption

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HappyBaby replied on August 7th, 2006

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Re: Response to Pro Choice

cowboys wrote:

are you saying pro choice agree with racists and terrorists mmmm very very thought provoking srtatement is that.

there is a big difference between agreeing with what someone says and disagreeing but believing they have the right to say it.

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trina1 replied on August 7th, 2006

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Re: Response to Pro Choice

happybaby wrote:

cowboys wrote:

are you saying pro choice agree with racists and terrorists mmmm very very thought provoking srtatement is that.

there is a big difference between agreeing with what someone says and disagreeing but believing they have the right to say it.

if we are talking about "free speech" then I too agree. If we take away the white supremicist free speech or the muslim cleric who is preaching hatred and violence against the western people's free speech....Then we also have to take away the free speech of the person who speaks out for peace in the world, and the person who speaks out against abortion. You can't pick and choose who is allowed free speech and who isn't just because you may not like what someone has to say. I do not agree with the pro-choice views.....But I will respect their right to voice their opinion. I do however feel that the "gift" of free speech should not be wasted. Therefore when we use it....We should use it with care, respect, and responsibility.

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Tylanas replied on August 7th, 2006

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Re: Response to Pro Choice

cowboys wrote:

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pro-choice = always a choice, no matter what, even if you don't agree with that choice. To quote .Voltair, a philospher:

"i do not agree with what you say; but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

interesting comment, does this mean you will defend the white supremicist, the muslim cleric who is preaching hatred and violence against the western people or is this comment only kept to abortion.

Are you saying pro choice agree with racists and terrorists mmmm very very thought provoking srtatement is that.

I have not twisted anything or lied about it I have pasted and shown what it means to live by that philosophy.

they have a right to say what they want to say; however they do not have a right to take away the rights of others. So, i'll let them preach all day, but it they commit an acto of terrorism or racial hate-crimes then i'm buting their ass all the way to jail, and i'll make sure they get a nice slippery bar of soap to drop.

And if you re-read the quote, it says "i may not agree with what you say" so obviousy, we do not agree with racists and terrorists, we hate them with all of our hearts. But, according to the first amendment they do still have the right to say what they want. Then again, I also have the right to mount a protest and get them off my college campus, if that is where they are.

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HappyBaby replied on August 7th, 2006

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Re: Response to Pro Choice

eiri wrote:

so, i'll let them preach all day, but it they commit an acto of terrorism or racial hate-crimes then i'm buting their ass all the way to jail, and i'll make sure they get a nice slippery bar of soap to drop.

lol :d

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Meandering Away replied on August 7th, 2006

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Re: Response to Pro Choice

eiri wrote:

cowboys wrote:

Quote:

pro-choice = always a choice, no matter what, even if you don't agree with that choice. To quote .Voltair, a philospher:

"i do not agree with what you say; but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

interesting comment, does this mean you will defend the white supremicist, the muslim cleric who is preaching hatred and violence against the western people or is this comment only kept to abortion.

Are you saying pro choice agree with racists and terrorists mmmm very very thought provoking srtatement is that.

I have not twisted anything or lied about it I have pasted and shown what it means to live by that philosophy.

they have a right to say what they want to say; however they do not have a right to take away the rights of others. So, i'll let them preach all day, but it they commit an acto of terrorism or racial hate-crimes then i'm buting their ass all the way to jail, and i'll make sure they get a nice slippery bar of soap to drop.

And if you re-read the quote, it says "i may not agree with what you say" so obviousy, we do not agree with racists and terrorists, we hate them with all of our hearts. But, according to the first amendment they do still have the right to say what they want. Then again, I also have the right to mount a protest and get them off my college campus, if that is where they are.

so they can stand there and say that a black man is lower than them.If you do not like what they do or say you will protest, ahh but you say that pro life should not be allowed to protest.

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Tylanas replied on August 7th, 2006

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Re: Response to Pro Choice

cowboys wrote:

eiri wrote:

cowboys wrote:

Quote:

pro-choice = always a choice, no matter what, even if you don't agree with that choice. To quote .Voltair, a philospher:

"i do not agree with what you say; but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

interesting comment, does this mean you will defend the white supremicist, the muslim cleric who is preaching hatred and violence against the western people or is this comment only kept to abortion.

Are you saying pro choice agree with racists and terrorists mmmm very very thought provoking srtatement is that.

I have not twisted anything or lied about it I have pasted and shown what it means to live by that philosophy.

they have a right to say what they want to say; however they do not have a right to take away the rights of others. So, i'll let them preach all day, but it they commit an acto of terrorism or racial hate-crimes then i'm buting their ass all the way to jail, and i'll make sure they get a nice slippery bar of soap to drop.

And if you re-read the quote, it says "i may not agree with what you say" so obviousy, we do not agree with racists and terrorists, we hate them with all of our hearts. But, according to the first amendment they do still have the right to say what they want. Then again, I also have the right to mount a protest and get them off my college campus, if that is where they are.

so they can stand there and say that a black man is lower than them.If you do not like what they do or say you will protest, ahh but you say that pro life should not be allowed to protest.

you are allowed to protest in ways that do not infringe upon the rights of others. Thus, you cannot protest outside clinics; and in fact it is the law I believe. Protest inside your churches, protest in your homes and online. But you cannot, through your protest, prevent a woman from getting an abortion. This applies to the friends, husbands, boyfriends, and parents of a woman who wishes to abort. You have no right to prevent her from doing so.

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trina1 replied on August 7th, 2006

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Re: Response to Pro Choice

eiri wrote:

cowboys wrote:

eiri wrote:

cowboys wrote:

Quote:

pro-choice = always a choice, no matter what, even if you don't agree with that choice. To quote .Voltair, a philospher:

"i do not agree with what you say; but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

interesting comment, does this mean you will defend the white supremicist, the muslim cleric who is preaching hatred and violence against the western people or is this comment only kept to abortion.

Are you saying pro choice agree with racists and terrorists mmmm very very thought provoking srtatement is that.

I have not twisted anything or lied about it I have pasted and shown what it means to live by that philosophy.

they have a right to say what they want to say; however they do not have a right to take away the rights of others. So, i'll let them preach all day, but it they commit an acto of terrorism or racial hate-crimes then i'm buting their ass all the way to jail, and i'll make sure they get a nice slippery bar of soap to drop.

And if you re-read the quote, it says "i may not agree with what you say" so obviousy, we do not agree with racists and terrorists, we hate them with all of our hearts. But, according to the first amendment they do still have the right to say what they want. Then again, I also have the right to mount a protest and get them off my college campus, if that is where they are.

so they can stand there and say that a black man is lower than them.If you do not like what they do or say you will protest, ahh but you say that pro life should not be allowed to protest.

you are allowed to protest in ways that do not infringe upon the rights of others. Thus, you cannot protest outside clinics; and in fact it is the law I believe. Protest inside your churches, protest in your homes and online. But you cannot, through your protest, prevent a woman from getting an abortion. This applies to the friends, husbands, boyfriends, and parents of a woman who wishes to abort. You have no right to prevent her from doing so.

correct. Legally you can't prevent a woman from having an abortion. You can protest, pray, etc at a certain distance from clinics however. Just not on clinic property. At least that is how it is in the midwest. Bottom line though....If a woman has her mind set to have an abortion, all the protesters in the world are not going to affect that decision. It is only the ones that are truly unsure that would stop to listen to the other side....And isn't that what choice is all about? Choice isn't just about having an abortion....It is also about being able to change your mind and reconsider. There are two sides to every issue and if I were going to have any kind of a procedure.....I surely would want to hear all the info available....Not just the info that one side or the other wanted me to hear.

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Tylanas replied on August 8th, 2006

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lolbahlolbah159 wrote:

black widow wrote:

i surely would want to hear all the info available

did you give your husband a choice before you off'd him?

what the edit? This has nothing to do with the topic. Go spew hatred elsewhere.

Back to the issue at hand... Abortion is such a hard desicion that presenting too many sides, especially a side that tells the woman she is a murderer if she aborts is not going to help with her desicion.

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trina1 replied on August 8th, 2006

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Re: Response to Pro Choice

eiri wrote:

lolbahlolbah159 wrote:

black widow wrote:

i surely would want to hear all the info available

did you give your husband a choice before you off'd him?

what the edit? This has nothing to do with the topic. Go spew hatred elsewhere.

Back to the issue at hand... Abortion is such a hard desicion that presenting too many sides, especially a side that tells the woman she is a murderer if she aborts is not going to help with her desicion.

granted....Abortion is an emotionally charged subject...And I am sure that if you are thinking about having an abortion and are unsure, it is even more emotional. However, abortion is only for the sure....Not the unsure. If you were unsure and thought abortion was the only way and someone could possibly give you other alternatives....Well that is what pro-life is for. I do not stand around and call these women m.Urders or judge them because they got pregnant. I merely ask them if they would like to talk and if they have thought about all their options. Some tell me to leave them alone....And I do, but others actually want to talk. After talking....Sometimes they realize that abortion isn't their only solutions. Unfortunately....Some still feel that having an abortion is all they can do. At least though....They have the procedure with all their options laid out before them....And believe it or not....Most (even if they go ahead and have the abortion) will thank me for giving them the information.

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HappyBaby replied on August 8th, 2006

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Re: Response to Pro Choice

trina1 wrote:

after talking....Sometimes they realize that abortion isn't their only solution.

i can see how it can be good for someone who is being coerced into an abortion or someone who is being led to believe by those in a position of influence over them that abortion is their only option, to hear about the other possibilities. Even if they decide to go ahead witha termination, they are less likely to feel regret if they know they considered all the options.

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trina1 replied on August 8th, 2006

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happybaby wrote:

trina1 wrote:

after talking....Sometimes they realize that abortion isn't their only solution.

i can see how it can be good for someone who is being coerced into an abortion or someone who is being led to believe by those in a position of influence over them that abortion is their only option, to hear about the other possibilities. Even if they decide to go ahead witha termination, they are less likely to feel regret if they know they considered all the options.

exactly. Life is too short for regret.

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lil_blaze2004 replied on August 8th, 2006

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Every planned parenthood, wic, clinic should have 2 post-abortion people (good and bad experience), 2 adoptees (good and bad experience), 2 who gave a child up for adoption (good and bad experience), and a mom.

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Tazzy D replied on August 8th, 2006

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I agree with the last poster. There is always two sides to each story and I think everyone is entitled to hear both sides. I dont think abortion or adoption or having a child should be one sided.

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Tylanas replied on August 9th, 2006

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lolbahlolbah159 wrote:

lil_blaze2004 wrote:

every planned parenthood, wic, clinic should have 2 post-abortion people (good and bad experience), 2 adoptees (good and bad experience), 2 who gave a child up for adoption (good and bad experience), and a mom.

so should every ob/gyn for pregnant women to get the same information. Emotional stories are not medical facts, stupid. Should heart surgery patients be forced to listen to good and bad "stories" too?

why not? Not "forced", but they should have the opportunitty if they want it.

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trina1 replied on August 9th, 2006

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eiri wrote:

lolbahlolbah159 wrote:

lil_blaze2004 wrote:

every planned parenthood, wic, clinic should have 2 post-abortion people (good and bad experience), 2 adoptees (good and bad experience), 2 who gave a child up for adoption (good and bad experience), and a mom.

so should every ob/gyn for pregnant women to get the same information. Emotional stories are not medical facts, stupid. Should heart surgery patients be forced to listen to good and bad "stories" too?

why not? Not "forced", but they should have the opportunitty if they want it.

i agree. If I were going in for any kind of surgery...I would definitely want to know the pros and cons of it. If I could get my hands on several people who had gone through it and who had had varied experiences I would want to talk to them. I would want to know the good, the bad, and the ugly....Before I had any procedure done. That is called being well informed.

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lil_blaze2004 replied on August 9th, 2006

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lolbahlolbah159 wrote:

lil_blaze2004 wrote:

every planned parenthood, wic, clinic should have 2 post-abortion people (good and bad experience), 2 adoptees (good and bad experience), 2 who gave a child up for adoption (good and bad experience), and a mom.

so should every ob/gyn for pregnant women to get the same information. Emotional stories are not medical facts, edit should heart surgery patients be forced to listen to good and bad "stories" too?

should we be forced to listen to you?

And this is not for emotional stories, this is to help the person make a choice. Why should pregnant women have to hear anything, they already made their choice. Edit

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lil_blaze2004 replied on August 9th, 2006

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Aww, tee, you took out the best parts--:p ok then ...Please lolbaha, pcforme (whatever name you've decided to use today) learn to read and take things in the context they were made. You seem to like causing drama and turning posts around to suit yourself. Seems quite egotistical to me.

There t, better?

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Tazzy D replied on August 9th, 2006

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Yes that is better thank you for your support.........

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