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I have heard the opinion that women who use abortion as a form of birth control ie/ have one abortion after another because they do not use contraception, should be forcibly serilised.

Just wondered what people's opinions are on this?
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replied July 31st, 2006
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It is not right to force anyone into any medical procedure which makes it hard for pro lifers because it is also in the eyes of a pro lifer not right to take the life of another human entity.
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replied July 31st, 2006
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Re: Forcible Sterilisation?
happybaby wrote:
i have heard the opinion that women who use abortion as a form of birth control ie/ have one abortion after another because they do not use contraception, should be forcibly serilised.


Just wondered what people's opinions are on this?


if you are going to force them to do something why not force them to continue with the pregnancy, I do not think anyone should be forcedto do anything or be someone they are not, ie: mother/father.
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replied July 31st, 2006
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No, it's wrong and interferes with a persons freedom. I think there should be a limit on how many abortions a woman can have on the nhs but private access is up to the woman.
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replied July 31st, 2006
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I agree with moo. I do feel sterilization should be heavily recommended for women who abort often and who have no intention of having a child.
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replied July 31st, 2006
Damn Right!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a child. I had him when I was 17 yrs old. I kept him, and I did fine. There are so many resources out there for women that are pregnant that abortion should not even be an issue unless it could harm the mother or child to go full term. Or unless the woman was raped. I know some people who have had a few and then decided to keep one child. As far as I am concerned it is like selecting what child you would like. Does anyone give a damn about the child??? I think if a woman has one she should not be allowed to have any more and some should not be allowed to have any children after that. Adoption!!!!!!! What is that for now a days??? Does any one even know anymore? Women that use it as a method of birth control should be fixed!!!!!!!!! I did it and my boy is the best thing that ever happened to me.
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replied August 1st, 2006
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Adoption is a parenting option, not everyone wants to go through the actual pregnancy. It's there alongside keeping the pregnancy and aborting and it's for those in the situation to decide and nobody else.
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i know some people who have had a few and then decided to keep one child. As far as I am concerned it is like selecting what child you would like

i wouldn't say it's selecting the child, rather selecting the situation you want to have children.
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i think if a woman has one she should not be allowed to have any more and some should not be allowed to have any children after that.

why? You don't know the individual reasons why people abort. I plan to have children at some point in the future, just because the situation wasn't right for me a few years ago doesn't mean that I shouldn't be allowed to have children in the future if I so decide!
And what about accidental pregnancies after an abortion, what would you suggest those women do if they "shouldn't" be allowed to have children?
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replied August 1st, 2006
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moo wrote:
adoption is a parenting option, not everyone wants to go through the actual pregnancy. It's there alongside keeping the pregnancy and aborting and it's for those in the situation to decide and nobody else.

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i know some people who have had a few and then decided to keep one child. As far as I am concerned it is like selecting what child you would like

i wouldn't say it's selecting the child, rather selecting the situation you want to have children.

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i think if a woman has one she should not be allowed to have any more and some should not be allowed to have any children after that.

why? You don't know the individual reasons why people abort. I plan to have children at some point in the future, just because the situation wasn't right for me a few years ago doesn't mean that I shouldn't be allowed to have children in the future if I so decide!

And what about accidental pregnancies after an abortion, what would you suggest those women do if they "shouldn't" be allowed to have children?


sorry but I hear this all the time, none of us know the situation that these women are in so why can someone not state what they think because even though none of us know why they have done it pro choice will stand up for them, would you stand up for a women who just decided she could not be bothered with the child.
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replied August 1st, 2006
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I agree and disagree with forcible sterilization. I think women who have had multiple abortions (as in five or more) or women who have abused or killed their children should be sterilized whether or not they like it. But if I look at this from a more general perspective, I wouldn't entirely advocate a forced medical procedure. That's a little too invasive for me. I do agree that we sometimes do not know the circumstances of the pregnancy - yes, some women do use abortion as their form of contraception, but other women have different reasons ranging from rape to failed birth control. It's not right to lump all women who seek abortion services into one group because they have their own reasons for their decision.
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replied August 1st, 2006
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cowboys wrote:

sorry but I hear this all the time, none of us know the situation that these women are in so why can someone not state what they think because even though none of us know why they have done it pro choice will stand up for them,

this is one of the problems with debating abortion. It's not a black and white situaton and each abortion is for individual reasons which no-one can know and truely appreciate why unless the one(s) in the situation.

cowboys wrote:
would you stand up for a women who just decided she could not be bothered with the child.

i doubt anyone would abort because they just couldn't be bothered to have children, there'd be more complicated reasons behind (like not wanting children, not being in the right situation) but, as it's hypothetical, then yes I woul. I believe it's always for the woman to choose, whatever her reasons
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replied August 1st, 2006
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cowboys wrote:
moo wrote:
adoption is a parenting option, not everyone wants to go through the actual pregnancy. It's there alongside keeping the pregnancy and aborting and it's for those in the situation to decide and nobody else.


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i know some people who have had a few and then decided to keep one child. As far as I am concerned it is like selecting what child you would like

i wouldn't say it's selecting the child, rather selecting the situation you want to have children.


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i think if a woman has one she should not be allowed to have any more and some should not be allowed to have any children after that.

why? You don't know the individual reasons why people abort. I plan to have children at some point in the future, just because the situation wasn't right for me a few years ago doesn't mean that I shouldn't be allowed to have children in the future if I so decide!


And what about accidental pregnancies after an abortion, what would you suggest those women do if they "shouldn't" be allowed to have children?


sorry but I hear this all the time, none of us know the situation that these women are in so why can someone not state what they think because even though none of us know why they have done it pro choice will stand up for them, would you stand up for a women who just decided she could not be bothered with the child.


yes, because that woman would probably make a horrible mother.
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replied August 1st, 2006
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cambion wrote:
i agree and disagree with forcible sterilization. I think women who have had multiple abortions (as in five or more) or women who have abused or killed their children should be sterilized whether or not they like it. But if I look at this from a more general perspective, I wouldn't entirely advocate a forced medical procedure. That's a little too invasive for me. I do agree that we sometimes do not know the circumstances of the pregnancy - yes, some women do use abortion as their form of contraception, but other women have different reasons ranging from rape to failed birth control. It's not right to lump all women who seek abortion services into one group because they have their own reasons for their decision.


exactly :)
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replied August 1st, 2006
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True but what if the woman has had two ectopic pregnancy's and one stillborn baby, that is not her fault.
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replied August 2nd, 2006
Listen them woman who have abortion after abortion is totally sick and nasty. If they don't want kid they should get sterilised I think.
Why put yourself through murdering babies again and again.
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replied August 2nd, 2006
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mystery23 wrote:
listen them woman who have abortion after abortion is totally sick and nasty. If they don't want kid they should get sterilised I think.

Why put yourself through not a nice acting babies again and again.


well said my thought exactly welcome to the board we need more brits on here
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replied August 2nd, 2006
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mystery23 wrote:
listen them woman who have abortion after abortion is totally sick and nasty. If they don't want kid they should get sterilised I think.

Why put yourself through not a nice acting babies again and again.

because each situation is different, if a woman needs an abortion for her health, has one for foetal abnormality and has one because she's raped, for example, what exactly gives you the right to judge that she's "totally sick an nasty".
In actual fact women who have multiple abortions are probably those who face the most backlash and judgement when there is a reason that these women abort more than one. I've spoken to women who have had three, four and five abortions and they'r neither "totally sick" nor "nasty". They happen to have been faced with situations in their lives where they had to make the difficult decision about a pregnancy more than once
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replied August 2nd, 2006
Well some have good reason and some have really stupid reason like break up with partners. That's rubbish I think many people bring babies into the world on there own and survive.
To abortion is not right and to have 3 or 4 is sick you they need to be stopped told by the doctor if they don't kids why not have womb taken away. They can't just keep aborting it's a health risk. What if the hospital cause the person to die or ever not able to have kid.
Maybe rape is a good reason but some situations are not fair for woman who can't have kids and woman who chuck babies away like their rubbish. The should be able to choose abortion but I don't agree. Then again its up to them I couldn't would feel so bad or heartless. People who have miscarriages have no choice but these woman choose to abort. It's all wrong the system is today.
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replied August 2nd, 2006
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mystery23 wrote:
well some have good reason and some have really stupid reason like break up with partners. That's rubbish I think many people bring babies into the world on there own and survive.

and what about if they don't have the financial means after a break up to raise a child? What about if their ex is putting pressure on them to abort (coercion is very real btw). I don't think it's a stupid reason, who knows what the woman is going through.

mystery23 wrote:
to abortion is not right and to have 3 or 4 is sick you they need to be stopped told by the doctor if they don't kids why not have womb taken away.

you can't control other peoples bodies. There may be very good reasons for aborting more than once and i'm not going to be so naieve and closed minded to say that women who do are "sick". I personally think advocating forcible sterilization is "sick".
Having major surgery (such as a hysterectomy) cannot be a decision made by anyone, ultimately, other than the woman who's womb it is and one of the great priciples of our medical law is the need for consent.

mystery23 wrote:
they can't just keep aborting it's a health risk.

how is it a health risk? There's no evidence to show that multiple abortion, without complications, have any affect on future fertility. The risks of the actual procedures are the same whether it's your first or fifth.


mystery23 wrote:
what if the hospital cause the person to die or ever not able to have kid.

death is more likely to happen from childbirth than abortion but a woman accepts the risks and is explained them before the procedure, before she consents to the procedure. It's the same as any medical procedure, you wouldn't not have your broken leg mended because of the tiny risk you may die from complications or anaesthetic etc...

mystery23 wrote:
maybe rape is a good reason but some situations are not fair for woman who can't have kids and woman who chuck babies away like their rubbish.

well, they're not "babies" untl birth but so long as the z/e/f is surviving soely off the womans body then it's up to her whteher or not she continues the pregancy. You will also tend to find that it isn't the easy decision you're implying.

mystery23 wrote:
the should be able to choose abortion but I don't agree.

and that's why it's called pro-choice - you don't agree with abortion then fine, but let other women make their own minds up too.

mystery23 wrote:
then again its up to them I couldn't would feel so bad or heartless.

there's nothing heartless about women who abort, there's nothing "bad" about the women who do and I think it's wrong for other people to judge us when ehy do not understand.
mystery23 wrote:
people who have miscarriages have no choice but these woman choose to abort. It's all wrong the system is today.

miscarriages have nothing to do with it imo, it's entirely separate to abortion
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replied August 3rd, 2006
Well to me even financial reason are crap reason for abortions my god not many woman have money that are pregnant and they get help.
So be honest abortion is wrong all together now I realise that if my baby was deformed I was still have it. If my partner left I would still have it. Some woman are weak and that what I think. There not good reasons they just excuses for abortion.
I also feel that those woman that can conceive quickly and abort. There the ones who can have kid but don't want them but woman who can't desperatly want kid.
Them woman who don't want kid I be many woman would love to have their bodies. What a waste of a womb that god gave them to produce kids they may as well not have it.
Agree or disagree I don't care.
Abortion is wrong is sad it legal and its said that people just use it and abuse it.
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replied August 3rd, 2006
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Mystery23, i'm probably telling you something you already know, but you are extremely narrow-minded, not to mention none of your statements have any logic. Then again, quite a few pro-lifers here share the same wonderful traits, so I guess you're in good company.

So would you care to elaborate why financial instability is a "crap" reason for choosing abortion? Women might get financial help for getting knocked up (paid for by the taxpayers, of course), but the payment doesn't last forever unless they go on welfare, which is also not-so-nicely forcibly taken from all the working people's paychecks. So you would rather bring a child into a life where it may not get everything it needs because mommy is too poor rather than end its life before it can feel anything physically or emotionally painful? Typical pro-lifer. Don't care about the quality of life...Just care that something is alive.

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i also feel that those woman that can conceive quickly and abort. There the ones who can have kid but don't want them but woman who can't desperatly want kid.


so no women should abort to please all the women who cannot have their own children? Not every woman thinks kids are sweet precious little miracles, so why should said women have to keep unwanted pregnancies for other women they probably don't even know. Even more mindless pro-life blather. I don't know why I bother.
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