The argument i've heard is because the zef is human; they even go so far sometimes as to actually say it is a person. I personally don't believe it is. Because people have experiences, emotions, and thoughts.

Whereas animals are just animals.

are you comparing a fetus to an animal now.

Now who is attacking? Anyway... No, I wasn't, and I don't see where you got that from. Oh, was it it because I said that what makes us human is emotions, thoughts, etc? And the fact that fetuses don't have those things? Sorry you don't like the facts of biology. Their brains aren't developed enough for that, according to research.

The line "animals are just animals" is seperate, thus why it is on a seprate line. It is in reference to the other part of her question, where she asked why you people are okay with animals dying, but not fetuses. Again, context hon. You're good at taking me out of context. Do you practice?

typical pc reply eh.

because it is an individual human life....Just like you and i.

exactly like others have mentioned because animals are not human beings and zefs are human beings.

query: why is it "typical pro-choice", and what exactly do you mean by this? Do you mean that it is an open minded opinion, with room for expansion and compromise? Or, are you trying to imply that i'm pro-death and that I hate children?

no I mean the sarcastic arrogance of the reply, this is why, even though I believe in a womans right to choose for herself, I will never call my self pro choice, I personaly would not want my partner to abort and luckily she feels the same.Btw I have never said you were pro death, now whos twisting words.As for me using punctuation, what a joke. I remember you complaining when I pulled a pcer over her punctuation.I have just broken my arm so I may miss the odd comma having to type one handed.

what qualities does a fetus posses that automatically gains it more value(thus more rights) than an animal?

so what quality does a human being posses that gives it more value than other animals.Whats so special about merely being human?

despite my sarcasm, it is still the truth. I'm sorry to tell you, but because you believe in a woman's choice to abort, you are pro-choice. You may be pro-life for yourself, but you belief is at its basest level, pro-choice. All pro-choice requires is the desire to let the woman chose. From there, you can believe anything else you want to believe.

humans are special because god created human in his own image. And only human can be aware of god and is capable of fellowshipping with him.

Now if you believe that human came from the monkey and god doesn't exist then you will certainly disagree with me. You believe what you want.

Please, we're trying to be logical here. Don't bring religion into it. I personally feel it is very bad to base a decision that can potentially kill thousands of young women on a religion. And i'm taking about all the girls who can die because they can't get a safe abortion. Use religion for yourself, but america (at least) is built upon a seperation of church and state (or so it used to be. The current president is mucking that up though).

i have said before eiri I have no pobrem with abortion being legal for those girls who would risk their lives for an abortion. I think it should be illegal because million unborn babies die but I am okay with it being legal for this group of women willing to suicide.

Legal or not don't take away is not a nice act even if you have no religion at all. And religion does matter eiri because that is one major difference between humans and animals and america more than 70% of people have a religion, predominatly christianity whether you like it or not. Religion is part of the characteristics that describes a culture from a certain region.

laws are determined by the people right?


If the people feel something is bad, or good, or needs adjusting, it is made into a law. Well, the law stands (made by the people, for the people as america is; and gee most of europe too) that abortion is not murder. The people themselves say it isn't, and obviously the majority feel that way, and so that is what it is. not murder.

And the major difference between humans and animals is the fact that we're self-aware. We know we're here, and we know what we do. Thus, we are the only animal capable of making our own desicions, and conciously knowing what we do. So please let us continue to be able to excersize one of our basic human rights.

Religion was invented because we were primitive and scared of the world we didn't understand. So we made up stories to explain why the ground got too dry in the summer, and why lights fel from the sky when it rain, and why monsters roared in the forests too. It's all made up, every single religion. Every one of them. So don't base your morals on stories made up by frightened humans at night, when they were trying to chase away the night-frights.

Their are many times that a animal is better off then a human when they are old and are hurting they do not have to suffer like a lot of human's do, this is why I feel abortion is good in a sense that some babies will not be born to suffer and be brought in this world unloved, not fed, unwanted, molested, beaten and abused. This is why I am glad that their is a choice, even though I do realize that this choice may not be easy.

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if the people feel something is bad, or good, or needs adjusting, it is made into a law. Well, the law stands (made by the people, for the people as america is; and gee most of europe too) that abortion is not murder. The people themselves say it isn't, and obviously the majority feel that way, and so that is what it is. not murder.
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we have stated erie that abortion whether you call it homicide or not is exactly the same like a homicide. A planned death of a human being. So if you have an abortion you have to say that you did planned a death and went ahead with the dead plan of a human being. You take a life away exactly like in a homicide. The only difference is that in homicide case you go to jail and with abortion you do not. Act is the same.

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and the major difference between humans and animals is the fact that we're self-aware. We know we're here, and we know what we do. Thus, we are the only animal capable of making our own desicions, and conciously knowing what we do.
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like I said man is the only one capable of being aware of god and fellowship with him.

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so please let us continue to be able to excersize one of our basic human rights.
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don't need to worry about that one, you are free to abort all the babies that you want. Actually I would encourage bahaha to have abortion, we sure don't want replicas of bahaha out there lol.

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religion was invented because we were primitive and scared of the world we didn't understand. So we made up stories to explain why the ground got too dry in the summer, and why lights fel from the sky when it rain, and why monsters roared in the forests too. It's all made up, every single religion. Every one of them. So don't base your morals on stories made up by frightened humans at night, when they were trying to chase away the night-frights.[ /quote]

now this is your own personal opinion that I sure don't agree with you. I do not base my morals in stories made up by frightened human beings. I believe in god, I have seeing first hand the miracles and have experienced myself so I am fully convinced of his existance. This is the silliest thing you have said erie.

please learn how to spell my username, it's only 4 letters long. Now, who is we? Pro-life? Okay, i'm going to assume that's what you meant. Abortion is not exactly like murder. When someone murders someone else, they mean harm, they are angry, and they want to hurt the person. They intend harm and pain, and there is hatred.

A woman who aborts often cares intensly for the fetus; and aborts because she knows she can't give it the life it deserves; and she knows that adoption is not always a good answer. Abortions are done out of care and concern, and a person does not die, like in a murder.



i'm not christian, I do not believe in god, so pelase top using him as an excuse for an argument. Any other way to respond to my statements besides your religion?



i'm insulted that you think I shouldn't reproduce. I'm sorry you don't want children raised by openminded people. Of course, you probaby want the wolrd to become more secularized, and have religion and state be as one. Also, I don't want to abort any potential children. It would hurt me very much to do so, but I would, if I had to.




name a miracle you have seen. No, birth does not count because we know how birth happens and it is wonderful, but not a miracle.

Your specific religion actually stems from a desire for the humans living in the harsh desert-like land of the middle east to explain why life sucked so much. They decided they needed an afterlife to look forward to, or there must be one, because this life was so hard.

The devil was invented because simply threatening the israelites with punishment upon their descendants wasn't enough to make them behave. So, a hell was developed, where those whole disobeyed the rules would supposedly go after death.

It was all made up by humans.

Why is my disbelief any sillier than your belief in a compilation of fables written by falliable men nearly 2,000 years ago?

eiri if you are going to pull someone on their spelling then at least spell properly yourself.The reason I am getting involved in this, not that I need a reason, you don't, is because you have also pulled me about my grammer/punctuation yet you are less than perfect yourself.The phrase glass houses and stones springs to mind here.