Relax: I found this on wikpedia

'as of 2006 there has been no follow-up research and the idea that prone masturbation causes male sexual dysfunction is not familiar or widely-held within the medical community, and thus should not be credited as such until further research.'

sounds like it wasn't really researched very well, this .T.M.S. And there is no proof that it causes problems.

Here is a link:

http://en.Wikipedia.Org/wiki/talk:traumati c_masturbatory_syndrome/archive1

read what they are talking about, it sounds like the tms theory is supported mainly by lawrence sank and has very little scientific or documented support.

Take everything 'medical' you read on the internet with a grain of salt - it isn't all true.

Thanks for the info, much appreciated. What do you reckon I should do now then? Im quite scared of going back to doing my normal ''face down'' technique in fear that what ive heard might be true, should I try learning to do it the most common ''face up'' way or should I just rely on a wet dream for ejaculation? I also read that if you dont masturbate that it can also cause you problems aswell, but im not sure if thats true. Its odd how I dont recall hearing about this ''tms'' thing from anywere except recently when I searched on the internet. I can still get erections fine and had no trouble ejaculating when I was masturbating ''face down'', but right now im clueless in what to do so thats why im here to seek advice, thanks.

Anyone got any advice, please? Would be greatly appreciated as im quite worried.

It might not cause tms, but can you pull back your foreskin? I always masturbated the same way and found it totally impossible to pull back the foreskin, since it was not "exercised" by the normal method of masturbation, meaning I needed a circumcision. It may be related to this, or simply coincidental to my individual case. If you can't pull back your foreskin, you may have a similar problem to me, and you can google "phimosis".

Hi jimmyeth. Well, I am a tms sufferer. I've been masturbating prone for 5 years. At the beginning I thought it was normal to not achieve an orgasm through oral sex. I just thought I wasn't as sensitive as the average guy. But then I had sexual intercourse, and well my girlfriend and I were making love for 3 hours straight. And I didn't even get close to orgasming. In the end she had to watch me masturbate to orgasm. It's very frustrating for my her, since she feels like she isn't doing something right. But its more so frustrating for me, since not being able to orgasm during sex is a large part of the intimacy.

I also cannot orgasm by masturbating the upright way. But i'm going to follow the steps laid out on Healthystrokes.Com.


I've started my first week of abstainance now. I'm 2 days into my non-masturbating cycle. 5 more days and i'm going to try masturbating the upright way. I'll keep you posted as to my success.

My advice to you. Visit the website and begin masturbating the upright way.

I have to say what a lot of rubbish
masturbation alone is down to the individual and i'm sure you will find you experiement with different things over a period of years.

I'm a female and in my early teens I masturbated flat on my back, in my mid teens I masturbated face down - not because I was ashamed or any other rubbish, but because for both men and women it puts more pressure on the mons pubis and therefore speeds up and intensifies orgasm.

Now in my late 20's I can not masturbate that way at all, and I chose to either lay on my back with my upper body raised or in a kneeling position.

It all comes down to what feels good for the individual and so long as it doesn't hurt anyone (human or animal) else then do what you enjoy.

I'll have to take kia's side on this. I think it's a matter of untraditional methods that are causing you not to ejaculate.

I too have never been able to ejaculate when having sex with a girl, but masturbating on my own is fine. I don't know about this tms thing, but I can ejaculate either sitting in a chair or laying flat on my back (probably the only two ways i've done it).

It's like masturbating with your left hand when you always do it with your right, it just doesn't feel the same does it?

I also think it might be the feel. I personally have never masturbated with lubrication. So I think the lube from the condom and the moisture inside the girl is a totally different feel.

So if you've been a chronic masturbator since you hit puberty (i think it was 8 for me) then yeah.. Having sex with a girl is probably like using your left hand... Or your right, if you're a leftie

I agree with kia....There is no congressional mandate on how a person is supposed to masturbate. Do what feels comfortable. If you like to lay face down, go right ahead. And mikal is right, ejaculation problems are a completely different issue.

With all due respect, you are a female and do not have penis nerves to crush when you masturbate prone for years. Trust me, I know.

I opened this post because I was curious to see what this syndrome was now reading on I am just curious, what do you mean masturbating face down? Like laying on your stomache? Also...to the OP if you don't want to look at the ejaculation is there any way you could close your eyes or look at the tv or something other than your penis? Maybe that would be of help some?

I am final year computer engineering student.My sexual growth started very late.In the first year i saw first bluefilm.I was even unaware of masterburtion.Now i masterbuate in a FACE DOWN position,pressing my penis hard to bed and after some time i ejaculate.when i tried normal masterbution i was failed to do that and i can't ejaculate and achieve orgasm.
i do this 8-10 times in a day,and this is very badly affecting my studies.i am on the verge of breakdown.
plz help me and if you have any clips regarding normal masterburtion plz mail me

I had to add my two cents.

I always felt that the way i masturbate lying down was a little odd, but it actually is nice knowing i'm not alone. And to be brytally honest, I think that the whole idea of TMS telling me that the way I masturbate is somehow "wrong" is, pardon the expression, a huge load. I've never had any preoblem getting off before in my life, the only time I have is when I try to change the position. I think that, as long as you can get off and you're happy then that's what truly matters.

I agree with what some of the other posters have said. As long as you can get off and enjoy it and no one is getting hurt then SO WHAT if you happen to whack off lying down? If you have problmes later in life than there can be a much more important reason as to why you're having problems. Do your research, don't just jump to conclusions because one guy studied a few people and came to a conclusion.

I will, personally try new methods down the line because i want to. My intellectual curiosity has been piqued and I want to know if I can.

Relax, you're not going to die because you happen to jack off while lying down. I'm 22 years old and I haven't died yet. And to be honest, If I ever have problems getting off I try witholding the orgasm as long as I can. It makes it all the much better.

I have now shared more then I ever have in my life and I will now leave. But just because you happen to like one method of masturbation does not make you a freak or mean you have a disease. Enjoy your life while you can.

This whole TMS thing has got me scared for sure. I have been avoiding researching this topic for many years. I finally had to look into it. I have been "masturbating prone" for nearly 20 years. I've had my fair share of problems. I don't know if they're natural, or TMS related. I read through the whole healthystrokes.com website. I found myself nodding my head and agreeing with a lot of points that they made. I *rarely* can get off from oral sex. When I say rarely, I mean, I've only gotten off once from it. I can't say that I've had lots of oral sex, but that's mainly because I know it doesn't work, and I feel bad for my partner when she can't get me off and thinks it's her fault.
I have lots of trouble with various sexual positions. Cowgirl and reverse cowgirl are a no-go. I will lose an erection very quickly in those positions, and it even hurts sometimes. I certainly can't get off when having intercourse that way. Missionary is about all I can do. This seems to be in line with what was said at healthystrokes. I do not have any trouble getting off during sexual intercourse in the missionary position. I can last anywhere between 2 minutes to 30 minutes depending on my mood and my partner.
I have recently started to have problems urinating. I guess I am getting older, but I'm not THAT old yet. This is what really prompted me to investigate this TMS thing further.. although I haven't heard of anyone having physical issues like what I'm experiencing. I can urinate just fine, but when I think I'm done, I'm actually not. 20-40 seconds later more urine comes out, and after I'm all zipped up ... well it can be somewhat embarrassing
I had a double hernia when I was younger. Who knows if that was caused by TMS as well..
I've tried the "conventional" way ... it just doesn't work. I'm hard pressed to get off even using lube doing it that way. in the "prone" position I can get off within 30 seconds if I really want to. I guess I'll have to start popping sleeping pills and working on healthystroke's scheduling system

Hope this information helps. If anyone has similar issues please reply.

All that rings true for me. Except you're lucky that you feel something/anything during sex and have managed to climax in any position. Until recently I felt absolutely nothing during sex. Oral, missionary, anything - it didn't matter. This situation has only slightly improved of late having finally switched to the conventional method, using the Healthy Stroke programme. Despite this I still haven't climaxed during sex.

So I'd strongly advice you to do it. The worst thing I did was not go with my instincts on this years ago. I came across the Healthy Strokes site and just like you, I nodded in agreement with everything. But then I went for a 2nd opinion and searched the topic on the web and convinced myself it wasn't a problem because so many people said it wasn't. I forgot all about it until I had sex the first few times and had all the problems listed above. Only then did TMS reoccur to me.

I would advice anyone else who has come across this thread in the same to not make the same mistake. Don't con yourself into thinking it is okay. It feels good for us and is addictive, so of course we're bound to think that way.

Good luck with overcoming this.

i started masturbation at the age of 8 or so im 22 now and iv used the "prone" lay on stomach and rub method for my whole life i had to explain 2 my girlfriend the only way i could achieve orgasm is if she layed on her stomach and i layed on top of her

if u wanna change how you masturbate i say DONT DO IT!!!!!

let nature do its cource

ok sorry about not mentioning this

circumcision vs no circumcised

There is no proven evidence that circumcision has a purpose but ill be the first to say that all what has come from circumcision has been bad...

the bible talked of this act... and the bible said do not add or change it... i say we make a new bible that is "unfinished" where we can change and add and delete

if u need 2 speak with me personally (edited to remove personal information)

I'm sorry, but it is neither natural nor healthy to have to have sex in the same exact pose every single time. Humans evolved to have sex face-to-face, so having sex doggy style is about as "unnatural" as you can get.*

As a woman, I cannot stimulate my clitoris if I am on my stomach and a male is on top of me. That means I get NO PLEASURE from sex and yes, you might as well be raping me. I could go read a book while you do your thing. In fact, why don't you just hump the bed? I'll go play WoW, kthnxbai.

DMA_XP, I would NEVER date a boy as callous and inconsiderate as you. You clearly know nothing about how a woman receives pleasure during sex.

Moving on... Circumcision does more harm than good. The male loses more than 50% of his sensitivity, and his movements during sex are completely different. A circed man will thrust deep, long, and hard. This is NOT pleasurable for a woman, no matter what porn videos say. Women need quick, shallow, gentle stimulation and this is how an un-circed man has sex.

It is indeed possible that circumcising a baby could in fact lead to TMS, as the child does not have the normal sheathe of skin to masturbate with. Circumcision as a religious issue should only be done if the parents are religious.

My experiences have been quite similar to anonymous82, except I have not had the urination issues nor quite the time masturbating the 'wrong' way (maybe 8 years, from the age of 12-20). There is no doubt that TMS affected my sexual relationships with women, and at some points in high school and college, actually caused me to avoid serious relationships with women.

I was fortunate to have a patient girlfriend in college who taught me to masturbate the "correct" way. While I am largely cured of my issues, I'm sure I have more performance problems than the average guy, which is almost certainly due to TMS....and like anonymous82, I too had a hernia.

I'd like to point out that some of the issues that guys with TMS suffer from can be fixed with a small (perhaps 25 mg) dose of viagra. You'd be surprised what it can do for your confidence, and if it allows you to have sex in positions other than missionary position, you may find yourself eventually able to do those positions without the viagra shortly thereafter. It's definitely worth talking to your doctor about. Forget about the stigma that may be associated with a medication like Viagra. Your sex life (and your partner) will be thankful that you tried such an approach to overcoming TMS issues.

eiri glad u agree with my standpoint on circumcision...

next evolution is actually de-volution scientist have proven that the human race is de-evolving ..quote me do the research..

who is to say what the correct form of sexual intercourse is i go off of opinion that the male is dominate over the female and vice-versa proven statistics show that the male has evolved more dominantly,

missionary vs doggy lay flat (i really wish this was a better term for this)

**opinion** """very very long ago""" if a male and a female commit to sexual intercourse missionary this leaves both of them vulnerable to massive strikes to there face through bites and mass scratches to the face, arms, and upper back,

1 zillion years ago sex was not a thing about mutuality it was mostly domination... if the female dominated then she would lay on top if the male dominated he would lay on top,

WE ARE PAST THIS!!! eiri what u insist is a fight before intercourse

maybe the female wont feel pleasure from "doggy lay flat"
BUT NOR WILL SOME MEN FROM MISSIONARY!!!!!!

the boat goes both ways