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Q: Cutting Back On Planned Parenthood Funding

asked by: Cambion on June 30th, 2006

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I got a message in my inbox saying that there will be a law debated soon that deals with cutting back the funding for women's health clinics, as well as setting stricter guidelines pertaining to people who work in the clinics and who they can take as patients.

A letter written by some pro-life fundie catholic zealot claimed that birth control promotes promiscuity and that it's wrong to dispense contraception to teens for that very reason. This man also went on to mention how teen pregnancies have gone up over 600 percent in the past 40 years, and how there was a highly noticeable increase in sexually transmitted diseases and teen suicides. What the fool doesn't realize is that teens are no longer being educated about sex or protection, which is why there is an increase in such things as teen pregnancy and stds. So how does he propose that refusing to give teen birth control will fix the problem of teen pregnancies?

This country is headed down the toilet at an alarming rate. They want to ban abortion everywhere and cut back on funding for women's health clinics - what benefit would we possibly get out of this? Forcing women to give birth will just put even more unwanted children in the foster system, or force children into homes where they are not wanted. I would almost guarantee that, if either abortion is banned nationwide or funding for clinics is cut, there will be a significant increase in the number of cases of child neglect, abuse, and homicide. Apparently that is what pro-lifers really want...To see women suffer through unwanted pregnancy, deliver an unwanted child, then hope the woman is put in prison for abusing or killing her child so she can suffer even more.

These extremists aren't trying to save babies - they're doing their best to put women back in "their rightful place", which is being forever barefoot and pregnant, and being slaves and sex toys to their husbands. The people trying to have these laws passed just hate women, pure and simple. Most letters I have read that were written to the governor or whoever about these issues were written by men, but I know there are a lot of pro-life women out there who support their cause. I wonder if these women would be supportive of it if they knew they were advocating the loss of their most important rights.

I fear how much worse this country will become at the rate it's going now.

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cherry88

replied on June 30th, 2006

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Which country?

Cambion

replied on June 30th, 2006

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I'm not even going to go into how retarded you sound, sunshine424. You have the thinking capacity of a rock and can't make a logical point to save your life. If you don't agree with what's being said here, then get out. You two-watt pro-life fundie zealots have your own board, so go use it.

sandyallen

replied on June 30th, 2006

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Well said cambion!

cherry88

replied on July 1st, 2006

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Well Said!

cambion wrote:

i'm not even going to go into how retarded you sound, sunshine424. You have the thinking capacity of a rock and can't make a logical point to save your life. If you don't agree with what's being said here, then get out. You two-watt pro-life fundie zealots have your own board, so go use it.

lmao!! This is so well said!!! I could not have said it myself, maybe they will get the picture one day and stay in their forum *with their own kind* again lmao, and lol to lolbahlolbah, by the way do you two have a name? :)

Lissy79

replied on July 1st, 2006

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Here we go posts from some pamperd muppet who has been lucky enough not to have to decide whether to have a termination or not.... God what rocks do these people crawl from?!?!?!... Do they still try to feed the 5,000 on 2 fish and a loaf of bread?!?!...Times change women and men are equal and why shouldnt women have the right to say when they want children hmmm "sunshine".... More like womanslave ... Do u lay down for ur man to wipe his feet on u evernight luv??

cherry88

replied on July 1st, 2006

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lissy79 wrote:

hmmm "sunshine".... More like womanslave ... Do u lay down for ur man to wipe his feet on u evernight luv??

lmao lisa! I knew u had it in you girl! This is soooo true! Shes the typical old school american girl stuck in the 50's woman cooking and cleaning for her husband for when he returns from a 'ard day at work. 6 little ankle biters cause she refuses to use contraception. Hating the women who stand up for themselves...Cant see her being the first female president of the *united states*....Maybe us girls from the united kingdom are too intelligent for hypocritical american pinny wearing freaks. Our numbers are growing "sunshine" whatcha gonna do now? :roll:

Tylanas

replied on July 1st, 2006

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I got rid of sunshine's posts for you all ^_^

but on-topic... It does alarm me that our current president and governemnt is so intent on destroying a century and a half of women's rights and acheivements!

Lissy79

replied on July 1st, 2006

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Ah bless look who has crawled outta her hole ....Would u like to debate over abortion "luv" or would u like to start a new post..One called " im secretly in love with cherry88.."..... Cuz u sure as hell cant seem to leave the girl alone... Ur sniffing round her like a dog on heat ...

cherry88

replied on July 1st, 2006

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Lmao lisa, she makes out that she doesnt care but she does. Her and nightangel love me. Its obvious thats why they keep targeting me. As for me sunshine..."job, life, husband, some sex" 1)im on holiday u wank stain so I cant get a job :roll: , life yeh sure I do have one, your point being? Husband, im too young not everyone is forced into a shotgun wedding like yours. And as for sex im on hols and my boyf is back home. Again you point being? I dont cheat funnily enough.

You obviously enjoy coming onto our forum, so carry on, obviously you are outnumbered thats why no1 has agreed with you yet. Hun your wrong, accept in life some people dont agree with you. The only agruement is "its killing a baby" obviously you are an incredibly thick typical american sterotype. It isnt killing a baby, and you know that, no matter how many times is it proven at 9 weeks it is an embryo you cannot accept, cause your a scientist? No because your a thick as cheese, some things in life have to be taken seriously, we obviously get to you or you wouldnt come back!! We can accept you dont agree with us, that why we stopped going to the abortion debate, yet sadly you still come here looking for trouble, trying to make out we take it too seriously!! Lmao!!!

So howay luv, cause I think thats the man of the house calling you to take him to mcdonalds, chop chop!!!

cherry88

replied on July 1st, 2006

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eiri wrote:

i got rid of sunshine's posts for you all ^_^

but on-topic... It does alarm me that our current president and governemnt is so intent on destroying a century and a half of women's rights and acheivements!

thanks eiri, if you could be so kind to get rid of her posts again please? Thanks in advance :wink:

Tylanas

replied on July 15th, 2006

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Why exactly did the breast milk debate get moved to the abortion debate forum? That forum is an abortion debate forum, not a milk-debate forum. Milk is not a pro-choice pro-life issue, that's why it was here, and not on the debate forum. *shrug*

lsipes

replied on July 15th, 2006

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and maybe get a job, life, husband, some sex.....Because clearly, you take this too seriously.

hmmmm. You're telling her to have sex? But what about the use of bc and possibility of the sex resulting in an unwanted pregnancy ended by abortion? You know... The actual topic of this thread?

lsipes

replied on July 15th, 2006

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sunshine424 wrote:

lsipes wrote:

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and maybe get a job, life, husband, some sex.....Because clearly, you take this too seriously.

hmmmm. You're telling her to have sex? But what about the use of bc and possibility of the sex resulting in an unwanted pregnancy ended by abortion? You know... The actual topic of this thread?

if she does not want to become pregnant then she and he can use bc stupid. Most people know this but not those that choose to get pregnant and abort after whining that they became pregnant.

you tooooootally missed the point of my post. Who's the stupid one?

Tylanas

replied on July 15th, 2006

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lsipes wrote:

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and maybe get a job, life, husband, some sex.....Because clearly, you take this too seriously.

hmmmm. You're telling her to have sex? But what about the use of bc and possibility of the sex resulting in an unwanted pregnancy ended by abortion? You know... The actual topic of this thread?

are you on the wrong forum?

diamondsz

replied on August 12th, 2006

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I cant wait to see them take away the funding

i wanted my tubes tied and they refused I had to fight with the dr and they would only do it if I had a c-section yep because im still young although I have two kids one of each and dont need anymore.

They say it makes woman promiscious wait till they take b/c away and everyone is having kids I wonder where the governement will get the money to fund all those teens doing it idiots.....

Woman are equals to men (yes I happen to be a feminist) and I will stand up for our rights just give me a stick and ill walk the plank I have a freedom of speech. Sex is 100% normal and everyone should be able to do it as long as they are ready for it.

Tylanas

replied on August 13th, 2006

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diamondsz wrote:

i cant wait to see them take away the funding

why? That's going to be horrible; it'll be harder than ever for women to ger the care they need, especially young women!

jenn_smithson

replied on August 15th, 2006

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cambion wrote:

a letter written by some pro-life fundie catholic zealot claimed that birth control promotes promiscuity and that it's wrong to dispense contraception to teens for that very reason. This man also went on to mention how teen pregnancies have gone up over 600 percent in the past 40 years, and how there was a highly noticeable increase in sexually transmitted diseases and teen suicides.

teen pregnancy, like all pregnancy, has decreased continually until it plateaud (sp?) around 2002/2003. In fact, the us experienced it's highest teen pregnancy rate in 1957. You know, when there was absolutely .N.O sex ed, no birth control, and very little access to condoms.

The claim about std's is wrong as well. There are a lot more people in the world now than there were 40 years ago. In fact, almost three generations have reached sexual maturation within that time period. Some sti's have increased but in all fairness, many sti's roots and causes were not discovered until quite recently. All sti's have seen a decline in the numbers of new infections than 40 years ago and it is precisely because condoms are more easily accessible and comprehensive sex education is more available.

And, finally, sex is not the cause of teen suicide. There are many different factors present and other factors are more important indicators of the threat of suicide.

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what the fool doesn't realize is that teens are no longer being educated about sex or protection, which is why there is an increase in such things as teen pregnancy and stds. So how does he propose that refusing to give teen birth control will fix the problem of teen pregnancies?

people are nostalgic for a time in our history that was displayed as being more simple and pure. What they don't realize is that that time never actually existed. Everyone, no matter what they believe, should read the way we never were. The author describes, in great detail, what it was actually like in the 1950's and it isn't the pie-in-the-sky image that the media represented. Lack of sex education and refusing teens access to birth control will increase the numbers of young women becomming pregnant. Since "abstinence-only" policies have been adopted by many states, those states are beginning to experience an .I.N.C.R.E.A.S.E in teen pregnancy. keeping people ignorant and then taking away the tools that they can use to keep themselves safe has never stopped them from having sex. Just ask the millions of young women who gave birth in 1957.

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forcing women to give birth will just put even more unwanted children in the foster system, or force children into homes where they are not wanted.

or result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of women who resort to a home, illegal, and unsafe abortion.

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I would almost guarantee that, if either abortion is banned nationwide or funding for clinics is cut, there will be a significant increase in the number of cases of child neglect, abuse, and homicide.

there was a study out two years ago (i think but could be mistaken) that made the correlation between roe v. Wade and the drastic decreases in crime that we began experiencing in the late 1980's and early 1990's in nearly every major city in the us. The authors of the study theorized that, since roe in 1973, the women who would have most likely produced criminals sought a legal abortion instead and thus, crime decreased when the number of criminals decreased. Criminal behavior is most likely to occur among young people who are poor, unemployed, have low levels of education, and report feelings of hopelessness. Like I said though, the study found only a correllation and not a cause but it was very controversial when it was released.

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apparently that is what pro-lifers really want...To see women suffer through unwanted pregnancy, deliver an unwanted child, then hope the woman is put in prison for abusing or killing her child so she can suffer even more.

don't get into stereotyping. From my experience with a few "prolifers", I have found that they want an ideal that has never been a reality. They feel that if the government just takes away a few civil liberties, then eventually the reality will start conforming to the ideal. However, there is no evidence that reality has ever or will ever fit in with the ideal, even if you try and force people to confrom to it.

Part of this ideal does seem to include women who are more subservient and who stay at home whether they want to or not. However, in the way we never were, survey results were listed from the 50's that found that a majority of the women were .N.O.T happy in only that capacity. But, women don't really know what's best so that's why we need a group of unrealistic ideologues to tell us what to do! Just kidding.

Moo

replied on August 15th, 2006

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Re: Cutting Back On Planned Parenthood Funding

cambion wrote:

a letter written by some pro-life fundie catholic zealot claimed that birth control promotes promiscuity and that it's wrong to dispense contraception to teens for that very reason..

i can't believe that people actually think that removing the access to contraception is going to stop/cut down the number of unplanned pregnancies and abortions.

sandyallen

replied on August 15th, 2006

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They need to check on some of this welfare fraud. Some of them get free medical, free housing, free food, free utilities and some of the husbands or mothers are working under the table, standing out on the street corner bumming money. Some make more than the regular working people do and they pay taxes and alot of then don't even get medical insurance along with the other stuff. Kind of off the topic but it is still wrong.

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