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Cassakane

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*must Read* I Found a Treatment That Works For Me!!
Posted: 06-03-06 23:10pm

Okay. To give you a little background, my doctor told me that I was hypoglycemic a couple of years ago. After awhile I learned to listen to the messages that my body was sending me. I learned when I needed to eat. It was basically every two to three hours.

A few weeks ago my fiancé and I were at the library. I was standing next to him as he was looking for a book, and I turned around and noticed a section about natural remedies. I pointed it out to my fiancé, who is into that sort of thing. He grabbed a couple of books. One of them is called 5-htp the natural way to overcome depression, obesity, and insomnia by michael murray, n.D.

One evening my fiancé pulled the book out and started flipping through it. There is a chapter about carbohydrate addiction, which is the cause of the obesity mentioned in the title. There is a little quiz to see if you are addicted to carbohydrates. The quiz seems like it could almost double as a quiz for hypoglycemia. Here is the quiz:

-i get tired and/or hungry in the mid-afternoon.
-i crave bread, pasta, cereal, candy, and other carbohydrate-rich foods.
-when I start eating starches, snack foods, or sweets, I have a hard time stopping.
-after eating breakfast, even if it is a large satisfying meal, I get hungry before lunch.
-i am overweight.
-my body fat is primarily distributed around my abdomen and upper body.
-if I do not eat every two or three hours during the day, I feel tired, shaky, and irritable, and sometimes I develop a headache.
-i have one of the following health conditions: elevated cholesterol or triglyceride levels, diabetes, high blood pressure, hypoglycemia.
-i eat more when I am stressed or depressed or when I am traveling.
-i tend to gain more weight or have trouble losing weight in the winter months.

Here is the scoring to determine the extent of your carbohydrate addiction:

8-10 yes answers – severe
5-7 – strong
2-4 – mild to moderate
0-1 – none

i have to admit that I haven’t read the book, but that evening my fiancé read some of the relevant parts to me. Apparently 5-htp is used in the production of serotonin, a neurotransmitter that regulates mood, makes you feel happy and calm, and is released to tell you that you are full, and helps you to feel satisfied after eating. If you don’t have enough 5-htp and your body can’t produce serotonin your body goes into an emergency reaction – you feel terrible and you need to eat. Your body can use the sugar from the food you eat to produce serotonin. So it keeps demanding food to make sure you have enough serotonin.

I know that there are several causes of hypoglycemia. I don’t know if I have ever heard of serotonin deficiency listed as one of them. My doctor didn’t do any tests for hypoglycemia. She just told me to make sure that I eat. I borrowed a glucometer and checked my own sugar for a week. I’d wake up in the morning and wait until I started feeling ill. My sugar would generally be in the 70’s. Low, but not dangerously low. So, my sugar does in fact go low. I am wondering if maybe my body is using a ton of blood sugar to produce serotonin, and then I feel ill because it dips too low. I really have no idea what is going on. I just know that when my fiancé read me bits out of that chapter, I immediately took some 5-htp. And it worked. I’d already eaten dinner, and I didn’t eat again that night.

Immediate effectiveness. It was amazing. Two days later I realized just how well it was working. I woke up at about 10am and got directly into the shower. Usually, that would have been a bad choice. By the time I got out of the shower, I should have been feeling sick and running straight to the kitchen for food. Instead, I felt just fine. I didn’t bother with breakfast. A little later I headed to taco bell for lunch. I ordered less than I normally order, sat down, and realized that I had no interest in eating the food. I ate it anyway, figuring that I needed to eat. Then I went home and left for work. It takes me two hours to drive to work. I normally have to eat something as soon as I get there before I start my shift. I didn’t eat anything. At 4:30 I started serving dinner to the troubled teens that I work with. As I was walking around the table it dawned on me that *i* was supposed to eat dinner, too. I hadn’t even thought about eating and didn’t even have an appetite. Once again, I ate just because I thought that I should eat something. I had a couple of tomato slices on a hamburger bun. That wasn’t much, and a couple of hours later I felt hungry. *hungry*! I hadn’t felt hungry in a very long time. I’ve wanted food, felt a panicky sort of warning feeling that I needed to eat soon…but eating every two hours doesn’t leave much room for feeling hungry.

A lack of appetite didn’t last long. But not needing food all the time lasted. I wake up, and don’t have to eat breakfast right way. After breakfast, I don’t have to eat until lunch. Today I skipped breakfast, ate lunch, and didn’t even think about eating until 5:30. I talked about food, made dinner plans, bought a birthday cake…but at no time did I think about *eating* food until I was naturally hungry! 5-htp is really working for me. I thought that I would be eating every two hours for the rest of my life. I’ve gained 35 pounds, and I couldn’t imagine how I was going to lose them when I have to keep shoving food down my face. I’ve been worried about getting diabetes, and now it seems like that won’t happen. I can’t believe how well this is working for me.

So. If you would like to try 5-htp and see how it works for you, here is how you should do it. Start by taking one 50mg or 100mg tablet three times a day with a meal. The book says to take it 20 minutes before a meal, but I am usually not on top of things enough to do that. I usually don’t remember to take it until after my meal. It can cause nausea. I’ve experienced everything from feeling a little off to being very ill. I had to figure out how to take it right. It really does need to be taken with food. You can also buy enteric-coated 5-htp. It won’t dissolve in your stomach, it will wait until it gets to your small intestine. So it shouldn’t cause nausea. I haven’t found any at the stores in town, not even gnc. But i’m going to look for some on the internet.

Once you’ve taken one pill at a time for awhile, you can increase to 2 and then 3 at a time depending on what you need. I’ve tried 1 pill, and it really isn’t effective enough for me. Two is working. This may be why i’ve experienced some illness. I didn’t give my body enough time to get used to taking it. I’m considering taking 300mg doses. Just to see what happens. If I can eat even less, I should start really losing weight. That sounds great!

I’ve noticed that my mind still has the habit of eating all the time. If I am busy and active, I won’t even think about eating. If I am bored – sitting in the back of a classroom monitoring my group of teens in school – then my mind will think about eating at about the time that I would normally eat from hypoglycemia. But my body does not go through the normal warning signals, and I don’t actually need the food. I am hoping that with time my mind will get out of the habit of telling me that I need food.

The first time I heard of 5-htp was a few years ago. At the place where I used to work, the nurses gave our clients who had trouble sleeping 5-htp. One 5-htp and a b-6 vitamin at 5pm and another 5-htp at 9pm. So, I was worried that it would make me sleepy. It doesn’t make me sleepy at all. In fact I feel like I have more energy. Apparently 5-htp is used to produce serotonin and some of the serotonin is changed into melatonin, but your body doesn’t release your melatonin for sleep until nighttime. From what I remember, the b-6 was something that the body needed in the whole 5-htp to serotonin process. So, i’ve been taking a b-complex vitamin every morning with my first dose of 5-htp. I recommend the time-release ones. So that it will be released throughout the day. If you take one that releases into your bloodstream all at once, your body will just take out what it needs then, and the rest will end up in your urine.

The book recommends that you avoid caffeine because it counteracts effects of serotonin and depletes the levels of serotonin and melatonin cause sleeplessness. And it says that you should drink plenty of water. I’ve noticed that i’m thirstier than usual.

Do not take 5-htp if you are on an mao inhibitor or you can experience levels of serotonin that are way too high. There is no danger if you are taking 5-htp alone. Also, do not take 5-htp if you are on an antidepressant. Remember that depression is often caused by hypoglycemia…it may be possible for you to treat both with only 5-htp.

5-htp can be used to treat depression. My fiancé is having great results. I would describe myself as a happy person, but with 5-htp I feel even happier. I often feel as if I am on the edge of a smile, and I feel more invigorated.

5-htp is a natural substance. The substance tryptophan occurs naturally in foods. You may have heard of it in reference to turkey. It is why people say turkey makes you sleepy, since turkey contains a lot of tryptophan. Your body changes tryptophan into 5-htp and then 5-htp into serotonin and melatonin.

I know that there are a lot of causes of hypoglycemia. There is no telling who it will or won’t help…if it will be completely effective, or just help a little. I know that depression and insomnia often go hand in hand with hypoglycemia. So 5-htp might at least help with those things.

I hope that a lot of people read this, and I highly recommend that everyone at least try it. It can’t hurt, and you might find some relief. Check back and let me and everyone else know how things are working for you.

Cassakane
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almomay

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Posted: 06-04-06 08:26am

Hello,

i tried 5 htp 2 years ago, before I ever gave up sugar and white starches. It did not work for me. I remember feeling out of it, and it actually made me depressed and vulnerable.

A natural way of raising serotonin is through eating healthy foods.

If you eat a complex carb with protein and veggies, that will also raise your serotonin naturally.

I would be very careful of healing with a pill. I trust healing through eating healthy.

Best wishes,
mayra from nyc.
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squashville USA

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Posted: 06-04-06 09:11am

I agree too to be careful, I would be cautiousl with taking hormonal replacements dhea etc. I believe in using supplements etc to repair and support the body is necessary. But, as everyones brain chemicals are so different- altering them can be very dangerous if you aren't sure what is low- it goes along when they experiement giving you the "right" antidepressent aswell.

Having hypoglycemia you are already very vulnerable in your nervous system as is- the chemicals are never "regularly the same" in your brain as others without this disease may have. Melatonin is very dangerous as well, 3mg is 3 times over the amount your body will ever produce a day- you can overdose on this as well and screwup your bodies internal clock-

if you think you have a serotonin problems they can check your blood levels of dhea, serotonin etc in a regular blood test. I'd just be careful , they can swing you a certain way and if you are undiagnosed borderline bipolar or whatever that could be a very bad one time episode and possibly cause unwanted symptoms.


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Posted: 06-04-06 16:09pm

Cassakane,

i've just bought some 5-htp and plan on taking it....Thanks for the suggestion. What do you think the maximum daily dosage should be? I'm going to start gradually and increase it slowly. Do you know if 5-htp has any side effects?

I really believe in taking vitamins/herbs to supplement my diet. I don't think you can get everything in the food you eat and can really benefit from taking supplements. I do think you should be careful and research whatever you're planning to take just like I don't think you should take whatever a doctor prescribes without throughly checking into it.

Thanks again and i'll let you know how i'm doing.

Dj
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Cassakane

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Side Effects And Dosage
Posted: 06-05-06 10:20am

Dianajj,

here is the list of side effects from the book that I mentioned.

9% of people experienced nausea
5% headache
2.5% nervousness
2.5% insomnia
2.5% anxiety
7% drowsiness
2.5% diarrhea
7% dry mouth
2.5% sweating
5% dizziness
5% constipation

the people who experienced these side effects described them as mild or very mild. I mentioned before that i’ve experienced nausea several times. It really is important for me to take 5-htp with a good amount of food. Sometimes I get a little thirsty, but drinking more water isn’t really a problem. I used to be a big sleeper, and slept in whenever I had the chance. Now I am waking up after 8 hours of sleep ready to get out of bed. That is certainly a benefit. Since starting 5-htp I have taken two naps, and it looks like I am going to have to stop napping. Both times my body went to sleep and wanted to stay asleep for a very long time. It was hard to get up. But, I don’t think I need naps anymore. Once I took a nap because I was feeling nauseous, not because I was sleepy. And yesterday I took a nap because I thought that it would be a good idea, since i’m not used to getting up early in the morning and figured I could use some more sleep. My fiancé took a nap, and I decided to join him.

I have also noticed that I am not as obsessed with eating sweets. Which is great.

According to the book, you can take up to 900mg a day. I think that only people who are trying to lose a lot of weight need to take that much. I started with taking two, then went down to one because I was worried about nausea. While I was taking one, I could tell that it wasn’t enough. So, i’ve gone back up to two. Sometimes, I take two twice a day, sometimes three times a day. I think you can just listen to your body to figure out how much you need.

I am so happy to be living a normal life again. I really hope that this works for someone else.

Cassakane
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Posted: 06-05-06 11:10am

Question, are you saying you have been forgetting to eat b ecause this stuff makes you not hungry? I suggest you stay on an eating routine, regardless of what it is, this may be artificially keeping you satiated without giving you any nutrients, vitamins or minerals, which will lead to serious problems later on.
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tygrbabi

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Re: Side Effects And Dosage
Posted: 06-05-06 15:33pm

cassakane wrote:
since starting 5-htp I have taken two naps, and it looks like I am going to have to stop napping. Both times my body went to sleep and wanted to stay asleep for a very long time. It was hard to get up.
Cassakane


i am concerned about this statement. If it was hard for you to get up from a nap, it's possible your levels are out of whack. That could be harmful.

Slightly off-topic, when I was first diagnosed by doctor prescribed tryptophan because I was having trouble sleeping. But once my sugar levels because less erratic, through a proper diet, I didn't need to take it anymore. Somehow, I don't think long term use is a good idea but I am going to ask my doctor about it.

Another side note, since going back to my 'natural' ways (following stan's diet and not eating any processed food) I have lost more that 8 pounds and I wasn't even exercising the first two weeks. Amazingly, I don't feel deprived at all.
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almomay

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It Was Not Good For Me
Posted: 06-05-06 18:06pm

Everyone will react different to 5htp. I never suffered depression, and I remember when I took it I was really depressed for a couple of days.

Please, be careful. Try to heal though foods.
Mayra from nyc.
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Posted: 06-05-06 19:54pm

Definitely, nothing can replace diet for treatment in hypoglycemia, and I mean absolutely nothing. There is no magic pill, we need to be strong and do what's right for our bodies.
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Cassakane

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Posted: 06-06-06 09:34am

5-htp isn't killing my appetite. I do get hungry, but I do not need food every couple of hours. Usually, I would eat a meal and then two or three hours later I would start feeling warning signals that I needed to eat soon. If I did not eat, then I would start feeling ill. I would have to eat within 15 or twenty minutes of waking up, or I would feel ill. Now, I can wake up and wait awhile until I eat. After eating lunch, I do not get hungry until it is time for dinner. And I do not experience any warning signals telling me to eat. And 5-htp isn't just suppressing the warning signals, because I am not feeling ill. To me one of the big differences is that now I *do* feel hungry. I never felt hungry before because I had to eat so often that my body never had a chance to feel hungry.

I am not starving myself. I feel hungry at normal times and eat normal meals. As long as I take the 5-htp regularly, I do not experience symptoms of hypoglycemia. Maybe there are a couple of side effects, but what medicine or treatment *doesn't* have side effects? Almomay talks about experiencing depression when taking 5-htp. Claritin causes me to be depressed, so I don’t take it. If a medication causes side effects that are not livable, don’t take the medication.

This is how I look at it. It works for me, and I am sure that if my hypoglycemia was caused by something about my pancreas or liver, then it would not work for me. The fact that it is effective leads me to believe that I have a 5-htp or serotonin deficiency. I haven’t found any information anywhere that says there is anything wrong with taking 5-htp. There is a danger if your body produces way too much serotonin, but that is only associated in rare cases with very strong medications like prozac.

In all of my research trying to figure out what might be causing my hypoglycemia and what the most effective treatment would be, I never found anything about serotonin levels. I am guessing that most other people are just like me. All I am suggesting is that if people are interested, they buy an inexpensive bottle of 5-htp and take it for two or three days. If it is effective, then that would suggest that the supplement is needed.

Changing your diet is just great. I am sure that it is a healthy and effective way to treat hypoglycemia. Unfortunately for me, it did not fit into my life. I do not like eating every two hours, whether I am eating the right foods or the wrong foods. It does not fit into my life. If I can just give my body what it needs in an easy supplement, that is absolutely acceptable to me.

I am living a normal life now. Eating three meals a day and a snack at night. I am not always worrying about where I am going to get my next “fix” of food. I’m doing this with a natural supplement that has very few side effects. I couldn’t be happier.

Cassakane
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Posted: 06-06-06 10:49am

Cassakane, if it works for you, that's great! Let me start by saying, I advocate supplements to help with hypoglycemia. My concern would be to know the long term effects of taking 5-htp. Do you know if a study has been done? In the area of the book that lists the percentage of side effects, does it also say how many people participated?

Also, in a previous post, you mentioned skipping breakfast. While there may not be anything with eating 3 meals, skipping one is not healthy for any person, regardless of whether they're hypoglycemic. Skipping a meal forces your body into "starvation mode" and makes it harder to lose weight.

Dianajj, i'd like to know if you've started the 5-htp and how you're doing on it?
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Posted: 06-06-06 12:56pm

Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying you're stupid for taking it or something, I just want to make sure you've researched everything about it before going forward. It could merely be a mask that's going to temporarily work, who knows, just make sure you research every angle, even bad ones, to know everything about it. Basically all it is doing is increasing the uptake of serotonin in your body, which is pretty much just an anti-depressant. Anti-depressants often only work for a certain amount of time and then require higher dosages eventually. All you're doing is masking whatever the real problem is. If it is say, I don't know, a weird toe problem that is for some reason throwing everything off, unless you fix that you'll never fix the problem. Taking something like this can trick you into thinking you're totally better when you may simply be masking the true problem. Also, some people may believe in serotonin deficiency, but unfortunately there is absolutely no test for this. Doctors aren't even certain serotonin is the only cause for mood changes and such in the first place. Just make sure you've done all your research, the worst thing ever is to say "yayyy i'm better" and forget about it, only to have something awful happen a few years later because you were simply avoiding the real problem with something that masked the symptoms. Again, I understand the diet is difficult, most people have a lot of trouble with it, but it is the only way to truly get rid of hypoglycemia, relying on supplements for too long can have negative effects on the body. There are only a few that pose no problem, brewer's yeast for example. Hopefully what you're doing is fine, if not, you may wish you made the diet fit in your life instead of taking what seems to be an easier and potentially harmful path.
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almomay

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Posted: 06-06-06 18:40pm

Right now I am not eating every 2 years. I had to eat more frequently in the beginning. But now it is not as bad. I have 3 meals a day with a snack in between, and a snack before bedtime.

I am only saying this because I took an antioxidant, and after 1 month my whole body crashed. That is a very scary feeling. Right now i'm healing from this.
I would be very concerned about taking supplements.
Mayra from nyc.
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Posted: 06-06-06 18:40pm

I meant to say, every 2 hours.
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Posted: 06-07-06 18:19pm

Hi everyone,

this is my 4th day taking the 5-htp and i'm feeling much, much better! I really think it's working....I started taking one 100 mg capsule and now i'm taking 2, one in the morning and one at lunch time since late afternoon is when I experience the most severe low blood sugar symptoms.

It's very strange but I do feel hungrier. I was like cassakane, I ate so often that I always was full. Now I get hungry but I feel satisfied easier. I used to eat and eat to try to bring up my blood sugar and to feel better. I've already lost a pound which I haven't been able to do at all lately. I just hope it continues to work like this.

I feel much more optimistic too. It's like stressful situations don't bother me so much. The research i've done said that as people age they don't produce as much serotonin and this a natural occuring substance in the body. I know i've been sleeping more soundly also.

I'm not changing my diet at all, i'm eating the same food and eating every 2-3 hours like I always have but I don't seems to need to eat as much. I don't know if it will work for everyone but i'm feeling better than I have in a long time.

Dj
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Posted: 06-07-06 19:00pm

Good, I just hope this doesn't hurt anyone later on.
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Posted: 06-08-06 11:35am

Dianajj, i'm glad you're seeing positive results. I know it's frustrating when you're eating and don't even feel hungry. It happens to me too. At those times I question if I should be eating so much. Yet I haven't felt this good in a long time.

I remember my doctor talking about htp-5 at my last visit but I can't remember in what context. I have an appointment next week. I'll ask him about it.
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