*must Read* I Found a Treatment That Works For Me!! Posted: 06-03-06 23:10pm
Okay. To give you a little background, my
doctor told me that I was hypoglycemic a
couple of years ago. After awhile I
learned to listen to the messages that my
body was sending me. I learned when I
needed to eat. It was basically every two
to three hours.
A few weeks ago my fiancé and I were at
the library. I was standing next to him
as he was looking for a book, and I turned
around and noticed a section about natural
remedies. I pointed it out to my fiancé,
who is into that sort of thing. He
grabbed a couple of books. One of them is
called 5-htp the natural way to overcome
depression, obesity, and insomnia by
michael murray, n.D.
One evening my fiancé pulled the book out
and started flipping through it. There is
a chapter about carbohydrate addiction,
which is the cause of the obesity
mentioned in the title. There is a little
quiz to see if you are addicted to
carbohydrates. The quiz seems like it
could almost double as a quiz for
hypoglycemia. Here is the quiz:
-i get tired and/or hungry in the
mid-afternoon.
-i crave bread, pasta, cereal, candy, and
other carbohydrate-rich foods.
-when I start eating starches, snack
foods, or sweets, I have a hard time
stopping.
-after eating breakfast, even if it is a
large satisfying meal, I get hungry before
lunch.
-i am overweight.
-my body fat is primarily distributed
around my abdomen and upper body.
-if I do not eat every two or three hours
during the day, I feel tired, shaky, and
irritable, and sometimes I develop a
headache.
-i have one of the following health
conditions: elevated cholesterol or
triglyceride levels, diabetes, high blood
pressure, hypoglycemia.
-i eat more when I am stressed or
depressed or when I am traveling.
-i tend to gain more weight or have
trouble losing weight in the winter
months.
Here is the scoring to determine the
extent of your carbohydrate addiction:
8-10 yes answers – severe
5-7 – strong
2-4 – mild to moderate
0-1 – none
i have to admit that I haven’t read the
book, but that evening my fiancé read
some of the relevant parts to me.
Apparently 5-htp is used in the production
of serotonin, a neurotransmitter that
regulates mood, makes you feel happy and
calm, and is released to tell you that you
are full, and helps you to feel satisfied
after eating. If you don’t have enough
5-htp and your body can’t produce
serotonin your body goes into an emergency
reaction – you feel terrible and you
need to eat. Your body can use the sugar
from the food you eat to produce
serotonin. So it keeps demanding food to
make sure you have enough serotonin.
I know that there are several causes of
hypoglycemia. I don’t know if I have
ever heard of serotonin deficiency listed
as one of them. My doctor didn’t do any
tests for hypoglycemia. She just told me
to make sure that I eat. I borrowed a
glucometer and checked my own sugar for a
week. I’d wake up in the morning and
wait until I started feeling ill. My
sugar would generally be in the 70’s.
Low, but not dangerously low. So, my
sugar does in fact go low. I am wondering
if maybe my body is using a ton of blood
sugar to produce serotonin, and then I
feel ill because it dips too low. I
really have no idea what is going on. I
just know that when my fiancé read me
bits out of that chapter, I immediately
took some 5-htp. And it worked. I’d
already eaten dinner, and I didn’t eat
again that night.
Immediate effectiveness. It was amazing.
Two days later I realized just how well it
was working. I woke up at about 10am and
got directly into the shower. Usually,
that would have been a bad choice. By the
time I got out of the shower, I should
have been feeling sick and running
straight to the kitchen for food.
Instead, I felt just fine. I didn’t
bother with breakfast. A little later I
headed to taco bell for lunch. I ordered
less than I normally order, sat down, and
realized that I had no interest in eating
the food. I ate it anyway, figuring that
I needed to eat. Then I went home and
left for work. It takes me two hours to
drive to work. I normally have to eat
something as soon as I get there before I
start my shift. I didn’t eat anything.
At 4:30 I started serving dinner to the
troubled teens that I work with. As I was
walking around the table it dawned on me
that *i* was supposed to eat dinner, too.
I hadn’t even thought about eating and
didn’t even have an appetite. Once
again, I ate just because I thought that I
should eat something. I had a couple of
tomato slices on a hamburger bun. That
wasn’t much, and a couple of hours later
I felt hungry. *hungry*! I hadn’t felt
hungry in a very long time. I’ve wanted
food, felt a panicky sort of warning
feeling that I needed to eat soon…but
eating every two hours doesn’t leave
much room for feeling hungry.
A lack of appetite didn’t last long.
But not needing food all the time lasted.
I wake up, and don’t have to eat
breakfast right way. After breakfast, I
don’t have to eat until lunch. Today I
skipped breakfast, ate lunch, and didn’t
even think about eating until 5:30. I
talked about food, made dinner plans,
bought a birthday cake…but at no time
did I think about *eating* food until I
was naturally hungry! 5-htp is really
working for me. I thought that I would be
eating every two hours for the rest of my
life. I’ve gained 35 pounds, and I
couldn’t imagine how I was going to lose
them when I have to keep shoving food down
my face. I’ve been worried about
getting diabetes, and now it seems like
that won’t happen. I can’t believe
how well this is working for me.
So. If you would like to try 5-htp and
see how it works for you, here is how you
should do it. Start by taking one 50mg or
100mg tablet three times a day with a
meal. The book says to take it 20 minutes
before a meal, but I am usually not on top
of things enough to do that. I usually
don’t remember to take it until after my
meal. It can cause nausea. I’ve
experienced everything from feeling a
little off to being very ill. I had to
figure out how to take it right. It
really does need to be taken with food.
You can also buy enteric-coated 5-htp. It
won’t dissolve in your stomach, it will
wait until it gets to your small
intestine. So it shouldn’t cause
nausea. I haven’t found any at the
stores in town, not even gnc. But i’m
going to look for some on the internet.
Once you’ve taken one pill at a time for
awhile, you can increase to 2 and then 3
at a time depending on what you need.
I’ve tried 1 pill, and it really isn’t
effective enough for me. Two is working.
This may be why i’ve experienced some
illness. I didn’t give my body enough
time to get used to taking it. I’m
considering taking 300mg doses. Just to
see what happens. If I can eat even less,
I should start really losing weight. That
sounds great!
I’ve noticed that my mind still has the
habit of eating all the time. If I am
busy and active, I won’t even think
about eating. If I am bored – sitting
in the back of a classroom monitoring my
group of teens in school – then my mind
will think about eating at about the time
that I would normally eat from
hypoglycemia. But my body does not go
through the normal warning signals, and I
don’t actually need the food. I am
hoping that with time my mind will get out
of the habit of telling me that I need
food.
The first time I heard of 5-htp was a few
years ago. At the place where I used to
work, the nurses gave our clients who had
trouble sleeping 5-htp. One 5-htp and a
b-6 vitamin at 5pm and another 5-htp at
9pm. So, I was worried that it would make
me sleepy. It doesn’t make me sleepy at
all. In fact I feel like I have more
energy. Apparently 5-htp is used to
produce serotonin and some of the
serotonin is changed into melatonin, but
your body doesn’t release your melatonin
for sleep until nighttime. From what I
remember, the b-6 was something that the
body needed in the whole 5-htp to
serotonin process. So, i’ve been taking
a b-complex vitamin every morning with my
first dose of 5-htp. I recommend the
time-release ones. So that it will be
released throughout the day. If you take
one that releases into your bloodstream
all at once, your body will just take out
what it needs then, and the rest will end
up in your urine.
The book recommends that you avoid
caffeine because it counteracts effects of
serotonin and depletes the levels of
serotonin and melatonin cause
sleeplessness. And it says that you
should drink plenty of water. I’ve
noticed that i’m thirstier than usual.
Do not take 5-htp if you are on an mao
inhibitor or you can experience levels of
serotonin that are way too high. There is
no danger if you are taking 5-htp alone.
Also, do not take 5-htp if you are on an
antidepressant. Remember that depression
is often caused by hypoglycemia…it may
be possible for you to treat both with
only 5-htp.
5-htp can be used to treat depression. My
fiancé is having great results. I would
describe myself as a happy person, but
with 5-htp I feel even happier. I often
feel as if I am on the edge of a smile,
and I feel more invigorated.
5-htp is a natural substance. The
substance tryptophan occurs naturally in
foods. You may have heard of it in
reference to turkey. It is why people say
turkey makes you sleepy, since turkey
contains a lot of tryptophan. Your body
changes tryptophan into 5-htp and then
5-htp into serotonin and melatonin.
I know that there are a lot of causes of
hypoglycemia. There is no telling who it
will or won’t help…if it will be
completely effective, or just help a
little. I know that depression and
insomnia often go hand in hand with
hypoglycemia. So 5-htp might at least
help with those things.
I hope that a lot of people read this, and
I highly recommend that everyone at least
try it. It can’t hurt, and you might
find some relief. Check back and let me
and everyone else know how things are
working for you.
Cassakane
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almomay
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This Didn't Work For Me Posted: 06-04-06 08:26am
Hello,
i tried 5 htp 2 years ago, before I ever
gave up sugar and white starches. It did
not work for me. I remember feeling out
of it, and it actually made me depressed
and vulnerable.
A natural way of raising serotonin is
through eating healthy foods.
If you eat a complex carb with protein and
veggies, that will also raise your
serotonin naturally.
I would be very careful of healing with a
pill. I trust healing through eating
healthy.
Best wishes,
mayra from nyc.
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squashville USA
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I Agree Posted: 06-04-06 09:11am
I agree too to be careful, I would be
cautiousl with taking hormonal
replacements dhea etc. I believe in
using supplements etc to repair and
support the body is necessary. But, as
everyones brain chemicals are so
different- altering them can be very
dangerous if you aren't sure what is low-
it goes along when they experiement giving
you the "right" antidepressent aswell.
Having hypoglycemia you are already very
vulnerable in your nervous system as is-
the chemicals are never "regularly the
same" in your brain as others without this
disease may have. Melatonin is very
dangerous as well, 3mg is 3 times over the
amount your body will ever produce a day-
you can overdose on this as well and
screwup your bodies internal clock-
if you think you have a serotonin problems
they can check your blood levels of dhea,
serotonin etc in a regular blood test.
I'd just be careful , they can swing you a
certain way and if you are undiagnosed
borderline bipolar or whatever that could
be a very bad one time episode and
possibly cause unwanted symptoms.
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DianaJJ
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Cassakane,
i've just bought some 5-htp and plan on
taking it....Thanks for the suggestion.
What do you think the maximum daily dosage
should be? I'm going to start gradually
and increase it slowly. Do you know if
5-htp has any side effects?
I really believe in taking vitamins/herbs
to supplement my diet. I don't think you
can get everything in the food you eat and
can really benefit from taking
supplements. I do think you should be
careful and research whatever you're
planning to take just like I don't think
you should take whatever a doctor
prescribes without throughly checking into
it.
Thanks again and i'll let you know how i'm
doing.
Dj
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Cassakane
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Side Effects And Dosage Posted: 06-05-06 10:20am
Dianajj,
here is the list of side effects from the
book that I mentioned.
the people who experienced these side
effects described them as mild or very
mild. I mentioned before that i’ve
experienced nausea several times. It
really is important for me to take 5-htp
with a good amount of food. Sometimes I
get a little thirsty, but drinking more
water isn’t really a problem. I used to
be a big sleeper, and slept in whenever I
had the chance. Now I am waking up after
8 hours of sleep ready to get out of bed.
That is certainly a benefit. Since
starting 5-htp I have taken two naps, and
it looks like I am going to have to stop
napping. Both times my body went to sleep
and wanted to stay asleep for a very long
time. It was hard to get up. But, I
don’t think I need naps anymore. Once I
took a nap because I was feeling nauseous,
not because I was sleepy. And yesterday I
took a nap because I thought that it would
be a good idea, since i’m not used to
getting up early in the morning and
figured I could use some more sleep. My
fiancé took a nap, and I decided to join
him.
I have also noticed that I am not as
obsessed with eating sweets. Which is
great.
According to the book, you can take up to
900mg a day. I think that only people who
are trying to lose a lot of weight need to
take that much. I started with taking
two, then went down to one because I was
worried about nausea. While I was taking
one, I could tell that it wasn’t enough.
So, i’ve gone back up to two.
Sometimes, I take two twice a day,
sometimes three times a day. I think you
can just listen to your body to figure out
how much you need.
I am so happy to be living a normal life
again. I really hope that this works for
someone else.
Cassakane
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Stan
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Posted: 06-05-06 11:10am
Question, are you saying you have been
forgetting to eat b ecause this stuff
makes you not hungry? I suggest you stay
on an eating routine, regardless of what
it is, this may be artificially keeping
you satiated without giving you any
nutrients, vitamins or minerals, which
will lead to serious problems later on.
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tygrbabi
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Re: Side Effects And Dosage Posted: 06-05-06 15:33pm
cassakane
wrote:
since starting 5-htp I
have taken two naps, and it looks like I
am going to have to stop napping. Both
times my body went to sleep and wanted to
stay asleep for a very long time. It was
hard to get up.
Cassakane
i am concerned about this statement. If
it was hard for you to get up from a nap,
it's possible your levels are out of
whack. That could be harmful.
Slightly off-topic, when I was first
diagnosed by doctor prescribed tryptophan
because I was having trouble sleeping.
But once my sugar levels because less
erratic, through a proper diet, I didn't
need to take it anymore. Somehow, I
don't think long term use is a good idea
but I am going to ask my doctor about
it.
Another side note, since going back to my
'natural' ways (following stan's diet and
not eating any processed food) I have lost
more that 8 pounds and I wasn't even
exercising the first two weeks.
Amazingly, I don't feel deprived at all.
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almomay
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It Was Not Good For Me Posted: 06-05-06 18:06pm
Everyone will react different to 5htp. I
never suffered depression, and I remember
when I took it I was really depressed for
a couple of days.
Please, be careful. Try to heal though
foods.
Mayra from nyc.
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Stan
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Posted: 06-05-06 19:54pm
Definitely, nothing can replace diet for
treatment in hypoglycemia, and I mean
absolutely nothing. There is no magic
pill, we need to be strong and do what's
right for our bodies.
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Cassakane
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Posted: 06-06-06 09:34am
5-htp isn't killing my appetite. I do get
hungry, but I do not need food every
couple of hours. Usually, I would eat a
meal and then two or three hours later I
would start feeling warning signals that I
needed to eat soon. If I did not eat,
then I would start feeling ill. I would
have to eat within 15 or twenty minutes of
waking up, or I would feel ill. Now, I
can wake up and wait awhile until I eat.
After eating lunch, I do not get hungry
until it is time for dinner. And I do not
experience any warning signals telling me
to eat. And 5-htp isn't just suppressing
the warning signals, because I am not
feeling ill. To me one of the big
differences is that now I *do* feel
hungry. I never felt hungry before
because I had to eat so often that my body
never had a chance to feel hungry.
I am not starving myself. I feel hungry
at normal times and eat normal meals. As
long as I take the 5-htp regularly, I do
not experience symptoms of hypoglycemia.
Maybe there are a couple of side effects,
but what medicine or treatment *doesn't*
have side effects? Almomay talks about
experiencing depression when taking 5-htp.
Claritin causes me to be depressed, so I
don’t take it. If a medication causes
side effects that are not livable, don’t
take the medication.
This is how I look at it. It works for
me, and I am sure that if my hypoglycemia
was caused by something about my pancreas
or liver, then it would not work for me.
The fact that it is effective leads me to
believe that I have a 5-htp or serotonin
deficiency. I haven’t found any
information anywhere that says there is
anything wrong with taking 5-htp. There
is a danger if your body produces way too
much serotonin, but that is only
associated in rare cases with very strong
medications like prozac.
In all of my research trying to figure out
what might be causing my hypoglycemia and
what the most effective treatment would
be, I never found anything about serotonin
levels. I am guessing that most other
people are just like me. All I am
suggesting is that if people are
interested, they buy an inexpensive bottle
of 5-htp and take it for two or three
days. If it is effective, then that would
suggest that the supplement is needed.
Changing your diet is just great. I am
sure that it is a healthy and effective
way to treat hypoglycemia. Unfortunately
for me, it did not fit into my life. I do
not like eating every two hours, whether I
am eating the right foods or the wrong
foods. It does not fit into my life. If
I can just give my body what it needs in
an easy supplement, that is absolutely
acceptable to me.
I am living a normal life now. Eating
three meals a day and a snack at night. I
am not always worrying about where I am
going to get my next “fix” of food.
I’m doing this with a natural supplement
that has very few side effects. I
couldn’t be happier.
Cassakane
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tygrbabi
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Posted: 06-06-06 10:49am
Cassakane, if it works for you, that's
great! Let me start by saying, I
advocate supplements to help with
hypoglycemia. My concern would be to
know the long term effects of taking
5-htp. Do you know if a study has been
done? In the area of the book that lists
the percentage of side effects, does it
also say how many people participated?
Also, in a previous post, you mentioned
skipping breakfast. While there may not
be anything with eating 3 meals, skipping
one is not healthy for any person,
regardless of whether they're
hypoglycemic. Skipping a meal forces
your body into "starvation mode" and makes
it harder to lose weight.
Dianajj, i'd like to know if you've
started the 5-htp and how you're doing on
it?
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Stan
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Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying you're
stupid for taking it or something, I just
want to make sure you've researched
everything about it before going forward.
It could merely be a mask that's going
to temporarily work, who knows, just make
sure you research every angle, even bad
ones, to know everything about it.
Basically all it is doing is increasing
the uptake of serotonin in your body,
which is pretty much just an
anti-depressant. Anti-depressants often
only work for a certain amount of time and
then require higher dosages eventually.
All you're doing is masking whatever the
real problem is. If it is say, I don't
know, a weird toe problem that is for some
reason throwing everything off, unless you
fix that you'll never fix the problem.
Taking something like this can trick you
into thinking you're totally better when
you may simply be masking the true
problem. Also, some people may believe
in serotonin deficiency, but unfortunately
there is absolutely no test for this.
Doctors aren't even certain serotonin is
the only cause for mood changes and such
in the first place. Just make sure
you've done all your research, the worst
thing ever is to say "yayyy i'm better"
and forget about it, only to have
something awful happen a few years later
because you were simply avoiding the real
problem with something that masked the
symptoms. Again, I understand the diet
is difficult, most people have a lot of
trouble with it, but it is the only way to
truly get rid of hypoglycemia, relying on
supplements for too long can have negative
effects on the body. There are only a
few that pose no problem, brewer's yeast
for example. Hopefully what you're doing
is fine, if not, you may wish you made the
diet fit in your life instead of taking
what seems to be an easier and potentially
harmful path.
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almomay
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My Meals Posted: 06-06-06 18:40pm
Right now I am not eating every 2 years.
I had to eat more frequently in the
beginning. But now it is not as bad. I
have 3 meals a day with a snack in
between, and a snack before bedtime.
I am only saying this because I took an
antioxidant, and after 1 month my whole
body crashed. That is a very scary
feeling. Right now i'm healing from
this.
I would be very concerned about taking
supplements.
Mayra from nyc.
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almomay
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Posted: 06-06-06 18:40pm
I meant to say, every 2 hours.
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Posted: 06-07-06 18:19pm
Hi everyone,
this is my 4th day taking the 5-htp and
i'm feeling much, much better! I really
think it's working....I started taking one
100 mg capsule and now i'm taking 2, one
in the morning and one at lunch time since
late afternoon is when I experience the
most severe low blood sugar symptoms.
It's very strange but I do feel hungrier.
I was like cassakane, I ate so often that
I always was full. Now I get hungry but
I feel satisfied easier. I used to eat
and eat to try to bring up my blood sugar
and to feel better. I've already lost a
pound which I haven't been able to do at
all lately. I just hope it continues to
work like this.
I feel much more optimistic too. It's
like stressful situations don't bother me
so much. The research i've done said
that as people age they don't produce as
much serotonin and this a natural occuring
substance in the body. I know i've been
sleeping more soundly also.
I'm not changing my diet at all, i'm
eating the same food and eating every 2-3
hours like I always have but I don't seems
to need to eat as much. I don't know if
it will work for everyone but i'm feeling
better than I have in a long time.
Dj
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Stan
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Posted: 06-07-06 19:00pm
Good, I just hope this doesn't hurt anyone
later on.
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tygrbabi
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Posted: 06-08-06 11:35am
Dianajj, i'm glad you're seeing positive
results. I know it's frustrating when
you're eating and don't even feel hungry.
It happens to me too. At those times I
question if I should be eating so much.
Yet I haven't felt this good in a long
time.
I remember my doctor talking about htp-5
at my last visit but I can't remember in
what context. I have an appointment next
week. I'll ask him about it.