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Q: My Thoughts

asked by: Chrissy87 on June 1st, 2006

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My thoughts are at 6 weeks a child's heart starts to beat making abortion then homicide so I am against anyone who has an abortion 6 weeks or later.

One thing you need to think about is how many priest have you seen support abortion? I watch all kinds of abortion stuff and I have never ever seen a priest say hey abortion is okay, they are always ranting against it.

Also I think a man should have a say in the matter,if a woman wants the baby and the guy does not he does not get to say hey go get an abortion where with a woman if she does not want it she can go have an abortion even if the man begs her to keep it.

I remember my cousins ex fiance getting pregnant and terminating the baby, my aunt and uncle had to hold him back because he had a baseball bat in hand ready to smash her head in for what she did. As you see it is his ex fiance, after what she did he could never face her again without wanting to kill her and note ms.Richy riches parents kicked her ass out and took her nice new truck they had got her for her 21st birthday back and a year later they still are not talking to her, she went from ms.Rich to ms.Poor now living in a crudy apartment downtown. I think but am not sure she was 9 weeks pregnant when she terminated her pregnancy.

When I suspected at 4 weeks I was pregnant I wanted to terminate my baby because my view was im only 4 weeks the heart is not beating so nothing their but the father refused to give me the money and my parents would look at it as homicide no matter what but the edit up part was he was denying our son and did not want him so 6 weeks came and I found out for sure I was pregnant and told my parents and then told my sons dad I had told them and then his edit up piece of edit says he will give me the money to terminate it. I wanted to bloody edit him, he could not give me the money when I was four weeks and nothing was their but when I hit 6 weeks and our child was a alive he could give me the money,

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Moo

replied on June 2nd, 2006

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Re: My Thoughts

chrissy87 wrote:

my thoughts are at 6 weeks a child's heart starts to beat making abortion then not a nice act so I am against anyone who has an abortion 6 weeks or later.

that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I have a feeling you may have meant that after six weeks it's homicide (word filter) in which case I strongly have to disagree - not only because of what I personally believe but also because homicide is a term prescribed by the law and abortion has never fallen within this definition.
Why the change at 6weeks? Just because of the heartbeat?
As far as i'm aware the heartbeat of the embryo begins at around 22days gestation (around three weeks). Most women aren't even aware they're pregnant by this point.

chrissy87 wrote:

one thing you need to think about is how many priest have you seen support abortion? I watch all kinds of abortion stuff and I have never ever seen a priest say hey abortion is okay, they are always ranting against it.

i don't go into religious arguments about abortion but how many priests are okay with sex before marriage?
Different religions have different stances on abortion. One may be right for you, it doesn't mean it's universal.

chrissy87 wrote:

also I think a man should have a say in the matter,if a woman wants the baby and the guy does not he does not get to say hey go get an abortion where with a woman if she does not want it she can go have an abortion even if the man begs her to keep it.

i can understand the ideology of this but, in reality, it's impossible to give the man any legal rights over the womans body. Ideally abortion is a decision which should be made between the two involved parties but it isn't possible. If a man wants a woman to keep a pregnancy against her will then it's wrong to force her to gestate for 9months when he can up and leave at any time. I agree that it's unfair men are made to become fathers against their will but, when it comes down to it, it's not his body, not his decision.

chrissy87 wrote:

i remember my cousins ex fiance getting pregnant and terminating the baby, my aunt and uncle had to hold him back because he had a baseball bat in hand ready to smash her head in for what she did. As you see it is his ex fiance, after what she did he could never face her again without wanting to kill her

wow, he sounds like a great guy, i'm sure he'd have been a wonderful father with those mur/derous tendancies :roll:
getting angry and upset is one thing but threatening to beat her to death with a baseball bat?!? That's in the league of those who kill ob/gyns who perform abortions. That's not pro-life and gives true plers a bad name.
Whilst it's totally understandable for a man to be upset when his partner has an abortion against his will that behaviour is not normal and it's inexcusible. Breaking up with her, never speaking to her, shouting at her - all totally justifiable reactions in that scenario but trying to kill her

chrissy87 wrote:

note ms.Richy riches parents kicked her ass out and took her nice new truck they had got her for her 21st birthday back and a year later they still are not talking to her, she went from ms.Rich to ms.Poor now living in a crudy apartment downtown.

i think you have issues with your cousin.
Regardless, i'm sure she had her reasons and it was her decision. If her parents feel that strongly then it's their own perogative - lose a daughter over a fetus if they will. Everyone reacts differently I suppose. My parents are pro-life. They didn't disown me for having my abortion - whilst they didn't agree wih me on any level it was not their decision to make.

chrissy87 wrote:

when I suspected at 4 weeks I was pregnant I wanted to terminate my baby because my view was im only 4 weeks the heart is not beating so nothing their

there is an embryo there at four weeks.
Why did you want to terminate if you don't mind me asking?

Mollie

Cambion

replied on June 2nd, 2006

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I also agree that you are entitled to your opinion, but I have read more than one study that has been done within the past year that says fetuses' brains are not developed enough to feel pain until the beginning of the third trimester. So, that would mean that a fetus no more than 24 weeks wouldn't have the brain capacity to register pain. I know a lot of pro-lifers will chant incessantly about how the fetus jostles around to escape the "evil doctor's vacuum", but that is merely an involuntary reaction to a foreign object in the environment. If you were to open a woman's uterus and gently poke the fetus with your finger, it would start rolling around. Why? Because nature never intended for things to be poking around in there, and any organism subjected to an unfamiliar or foreign presence will automatically react. /end biology rant

your cousin's ex-fiance sounds like a real jewel /sarcasm. I also shudder to think how he would have treated his children if he was prepared to kill your cousin for choosing abortion, for whatever reasons she had.

Moo

replied on June 7th, 2006

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Chrissy87

Just wondering what happened to the person who started this thread. It would be interesting to see her response

sandyallen

replied on June 7th, 2006

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The thing of it is at 6 weeks nothing would register, you would not remember being in the womb or doing anything or even being born, to me if you feel abortion would be a better way to go you would not remember it either, kind of like the right to die if you knew that you have for example alzheimers, or lying in bed in a vegetative state odds are that you would rather pass on just like if you feel that you would not have a good life as a baby or a child, you would probably chose death or an abortion or at least I know that I would.

Lissy79

replied on August 3rd, 2006

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Re: My Thoughts

[quote="chrissy87"].
One thing you need to think about is how many priest have you seen support abortion? I watch all kinds of abortion stuff and I have never ever seen a priest say hey abortion is okay, they are always ranting against it.Quote]

puuuuuuurlease dont get me started on priests....Now who was it that was in the news a few years back for a series of peadophilic acts on many choirboys and sunday school children...Ah yes...The mr-all-might-priest wasnt it... And believe me there were a few up and down the country..Once one child (now an adult) felt strong enough to speak out a whole bunch of others came forward and told their stories too....So u see thats why priests dont condone termination it means killin potential "victims" of theirs!!!!!!!

trina1

replied on August 3rd, 2006

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Re: My Thoughts

[quote="lissy79"]

chrissy87 wrote:

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One thing you need to think about is how many priest have you seen support abortion? I watch all kinds of abortion stuff and I have never ever seen a priest say hey abortion is okay, they are always ranting against it.Quote]

puuuuuuurlease dont get me started on priests....Now who was it that was in the news a few years back for a series of peadophilic acts on many choirboys and sunday school children...Ah yes...The mr-all-might-priest wasnt it... And believe me there were a few up and down the country..Once one child (now an adult) felt strong enough to speak out a whole bunch of others came forward and told their stories too....So u see thats why priests dont condone termination it means killin potential "victims" of theirs!!!!!!!

now back it up just one moment. Granted there were priests involved in pedophilla....And as far as I am concerned....They need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But pedophila is not just a catholic priest crime. There have been teachers, parents, ministers, and scout leaders all guilty of this horrific crime. Are the priests involved in these despicable acts representative of all priests. Absolutely not. The fact is....You don't hear about the priests who give of their time and resources to do many wonderful and charitable acts. Why? Because who wants to hear the good things? The public hungers for the negative. Actually....Those priests, teachers, parents, ministers, and scout leaders who are guilty of pedophilla are in the minority....And not a true reflection of any majority.

Lissy79

replied on August 4th, 2006

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True I hear what ur saying but chrissy wasnt stating teachers parents etc she was stating preists....And no I dont htink priests or religion are any good...Otherwise my uncle would never have killed himself if it wasnt for the narrow minded big book of fairy storied that these peopl call a bible!!....My uncle was a member of a church, made it up quite high actually, went on hols to monastaries around the world...Yet the one thing just the one that made him stand out was the fact he was gay....And what does that big book of fairy stories say?!?!?!? Exactly....So he couldnt live with the guilt (even though this beautifull man had done nothing worng) he killed himself, and I saw what that did to my dad and my aunties and uncles...Its ripped my family apart and all because the church thinks it has the juristiction to tell someone who they can and cant love...So no priests in my eyes dont do anything good sorry.

cherry88

replied on August 4th, 2006

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Tell em lisa! I totally agree with you mate.

The original poster hasnt been back, as its quite old. And she comes from a family where the males swing baseball bats at their pregnant partners.

*roll*

nightangel73

replied on August 4th, 2006

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lissy79 wrote:

true I hear what ur saying but chrissy wasnt stating teachers parents etc she was stating preists....And no I dont htink priests or religion are any good...Otherwise my uncle would never have killed himself if it wasnt for the narrow minded big book of fairy storied that these peopl call a bible!!....My uncle was a member of a church, made it up quite high actually, went on hols to monastaries around the world...Yet the one thing just the one that made him stand out was the fact he was gay....And what does that big book of fairy stories say?!?!?!? Exactly....So he couldnt live with the guilt (even though this beautifull man had done nothing worng) he killed himself, and I saw what that did to my dad and my aunties and uncles...Its ripped my family apart and all because the church thinks it has the juristiction to tell someone who they can and cant love...So no priests in my eyes dont do anything good sorry.

i am sorry that your uncle suicided. The bible speaks of god's infinite mercy and it also says clearly that suiciding is wrong, completetly wrong like judas iscariote who hanged himself because he couldn't live with the guilt of turning jesus to the authorities. The bible tell us that was judas biggest mistake to doubt that jesus would forgive him. Now I understand that your uncle was tempted by the devil to suicide because those who look for god are the most tempted. People who live the dark life getting drunk, using drugs, promiscous etc satan doesn't go cause they are already possesed by him, therefore satan addresses to the ones that seek god as those are the challenge for him. Unfortunatetly your uncle did fall in a satan tramp like many others.

In our catholic parish we have a gay ministry founded by gays and run by gays. Gays are fully welcomed to the church and I don't mind gays to be priest. As long as they are celibe there is nothing wrong with being a gay priest and that is because priest have 8 years to decide they want to be priest and therefore having plenty of time to decide if they want to be celibe for the rest of their life.

And by the way the way the bible says jesus said to love everyone. "love one another". So it is not dictating to love a certain class of people. If you mind to read the bible you will discover that much of what you assume is not true.

Lissy79

replied on August 5th, 2006

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Errrrrrr hello ur in america im in the uk....Specifically wales, where religion is the old fasioned original religion where gay is looked upon as a sin, yet my uncle hadnt sinned, he hadnt even had a same sex relationship, we only found out that he was gay in his letter he left!!!! I know everyone is entitled to their oppinion but no love, my uncle wasn't possesed by the devil he was normal so he was gay so what, he was a loving generous good guy and I miss him every day. And if u have a parish with a gay preacher then yes finally the world is begining to make sense....Only it wont ever bring my uncle back. Sp please dont tell me to read the fsiry stories their propaganda made up by small minded men years ago. Their rules dont fit into todays society. Or should I ignore my cousin because he also gay??? It'll end up im all alone in the world because the fairy stories will tell me to ignore all my family for some silly reason or another. If I do not kill or cause harm to people then I prefere to live by my own rules ta very much.

diamond splinter

replied on August 5th, 2006

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Well said lissy

Lissy79

replied on August 5th, 2006

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Hey diamond, thanks. I hope people dont think im not having a go im just explaining what I think. If people want to follow the bible then thats their choice their free to make it. But my personal feelings are that the bible and its rules killed my uncle because they brainwashed him into thinking his sexuality was wrong. Now my family have to be without a very lovely man. And every time I see how sad my father gets it upsets me because I dont ever want to see my father sad. I shouldnt have to hold a 62 year old man in my arms and comfort him whilst he cries yet that is what I had to do in the weeks following my uncles death. And that is what gets me soooooooooooooooo angry grrrrrrrrrrrrrr....

HappyBaby

replied on August 5th, 2006

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I totally agree with you lissy - religion is the root of all evil. I'm so sorry for you losing your lovely uncle, that's just so sad and has brought tears to my eyes. I hope you and your family are able to find some peace; your uncle is at least not suffering any more.

nightangel73

replied on August 5th, 2006

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happybaby wrote:

i totally agree with you lissy - religion is the root of all evil. I'm so sorry for you losing your lovely uncle, that's just so sad and has brought tears to my eyes. I hope you and your family are able to find some peace; your uncle is at least not suffering any more.

wrong dear. Religion is not the root of all evil. Money is the root of all evil.

Tylanas

replied on August 5th, 2006

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nightangel73 wrote:

happybaby wrote:

wrong dear. Religion is not the root of all evil. Money is the root of all evil.

actually, i'd have to agree that it is religion. And money. And greed. Wait, that's related to money. And pride is related to religion and cultural identity. They are all human downfalls. Not evil. Evil is a religious concept.

nightangel73

replied on August 6th, 2006

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lissy79 wrote:

hey diamond, thanks. I hope people dont think im not having a go im just explaining what I think. If people want to follow the bible then thats their choice their free to make it. But my personal feelings are that the bible and its rules killed my uncle because they brainwashed him into thinking his sexuality was wrong. Now my family have to be without a very lovely man. And every time I see how sad my father gets it upsets me because I dont ever want to see my father sad. I shouldnt have to hold a 62 year old man in my arms and comfort him whilst he cries yet that is what I had to do in the weeks following my uncles death. And that is what gets me soooooooooooooooo angry grrrrrrrrrrrrrr....

look lissy i'm sorry your uncle made a wrong choice in killing himself. I can see you are still in pain. But religion is not to blame. The bible does not say to kill yourself if your sexuality is not straight. You have no clue what the book of fairy tales is about. You don't know what are you talking about. Religion actually helped my mom to recover from the death of my brother. He was gay and died out of drug abuse at a young age. You better believe he didn't care what the book of fairy tales got to say still he lost his life for bad choices he made. We miss him lissy and I had to be very strong to support my family, I am the only child now. The power of prayer helped us greatly.

nightangel73

replied on August 6th, 2006

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eiri wrote:

nightangel73 wrote:

happybaby wrote:

wrong dear. Religion is not the root of all evil. Money is the root of all evil.

eiri why humans have downfalls?

Lissy79

replied on August 6th, 2006

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Like I said nightangel everyone is free to their own oppinion...And why wouldnt I know what the bible says??? I went to sunday school every sunday till 6 and church every sunday afternoon till I was 10.....It was then that I made my own mind up so yes I know what the bible is about.... Its about prejudice hidden in the form of religion. But if those are the old fashoned rules that some people wish to live their lives by in todays society then thats their freedom of choice.....Mine is to live by my own rule of treat everyone how I would wish to be treated, so that is curtious, and without any harm. Im glad the bible helped your mother, it just does the opposite for me im affraid

Tylanas

replied on August 6th, 2006

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nightangel73 wrote:

eiri wrote:

nightangel73 wrote:

happybaby wrote:

wrong dear. Religion is not the root of all evil. Money is the root of all evil.

eiri why humans have downfalls?

because we are falliable. We are greedy; it roots from self preservation. If you have the best hunting ground, you're most likely to survive. Owning the biggest tv might not help you survive, but it is rooted in that survival instinct.

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