My thoughts are at 6 weeks a child's heart
starts to beat making abortion then
homicide so I am against anyone who has an
abortion 6 weeks or later.
One thing you need to think about is how
many priest have you seen support
abortion? I watch all kinds of abortion
stuff and I have never ever seen a priest
say hey abortion is okay, they are always
ranting against it.
Also I think a man should have a say in
the matter,if a woman wants the baby and
the guy does not he does not get to say
hey go get an abortion where with a woman
if she does not want it she can go have an
abortion even if the man begs her to keep
it.
I remember my cousins ex fiance getting
pregnant and terminating the baby, my aunt
and uncle had to hold him back because he
had a baseball bat in hand ready to smash
her head in for what she did. As you
see it is his ex fiance, after what she
did he could never face her again without
wanting to kill her and note ms.Richy
riches parents kicked her ass out and took
her nice new truck they had got her for
her 21st birthday back and a year later
they still are not talking to her, she
went from ms.Rich to ms.Poor now living in
a crudy apartment downtown. I think but
am not sure she was 9 weeks pregnant when
she terminated her pregnancy.
When I suspected at 4 weeks I was pregnant
I wanted to terminate my baby because my
view was im only 4 weeks the heart is not
beating so nothing their but the father
refused to give me the money and my
parents would look at it as homicide no
matter what but the edit up part was he
was denying our son and did not want him
so 6 weeks came and I found out for sure I
was pregnant and told my parents and then
told my sons dad I had told them and then
his edit up piece of edit says he will
give me the money to terminate it. I
wanted to bloody edit him, he could not
give me the money when I was four weeks
and nothing was their but when I hit 6
weeks and our child was a alive he could
give me the money,
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Re: My Thoughts Posted: 06-02-06 03:18am
chrissy87
wrote:
my thoughts are at 6 weeks a
child's heart starts to beat making
abortion then not a nice act so I am
against anyone who has an abortion 6 weeks
or later.
that's your opinion and you're entitled to
it. I have a feeling you may have meant
that after six weeks it's homicide (word
filter) in which case I strongly have to
disagree - not only because of what I
personally believe but also because
homicide is a term prescribed by the law
and abortion has never fallen within this
definition.
Why the change at 6weeks? Just because of
the heartbeat?
As far as i'm aware the heartbeat of the
embryo begins at around 22days gestation
(around three weeks). Most women aren't
even aware they're pregnant by this
point.
chrissy87
wrote:
one thing you need to think
about is how many priest have you seen
support abortion? I watch all kinds of
abortion stuff and I have never ever seen
a priest say hey abortion is okay, they
are always ranting against
it.
i don't go into religious arguments about
abortion but how many priests are okay
with sex before marriage?
Different religions have different stances
on abortion. One may be right for you, it
doesn't mean it's universal.
chrissy87
wrote:
also I think a man should
have a say in the matter,if a woman wants
the baby and the guy does not he does not
get to say hey go get an abortion where
with a woman if she does not want it she
can go have an abortion even if the man
begs her to keep
it.
i can understand the ideology of this but,
in reality, it's impossible to give the
man any legal rights over the womans body.
Ideally abortion is a decision which
should be made between the two involved
parties but it isn't possible. If a man
wants a woman to keep a pregnancy against
her will then it's wrong to force her to
gestate for 9months when he can up and
leave at any time. I agree that it's
unfair men are made to become fathers
against their will but, when it comes down
to it, it's not his body, not his
decision.
chrissy87
wrote:
i remember my cousins ex
fiance getting pregnant and terminating
the baby, my aunt and uncle had to hold
him back because he had a baseball bat in
hand ready to smash her head in for what
she did. As you see it is his ex
fiance, after what she did he could never
face her again without wanting to kill
her
wow, he sounds like a great guy, i'm sure
he'd have been a wonderful father with
those mur/derous tendancies :roll:
getting angry and upset is one thing but
threatening to beat her to death with a
baseball bat?!? That's in the league of
those who kill ob/gyns who perform
abortions. That's not pro-life and gives
true plers a bad name.
Whilst it's totally understandable for a
man to be upset when his partner has an
abortion against his will that behaviour
is not normal and it's inexcusible.
Breaking up with her, never speaking to
her, shouting at her - all totally
justifiable reactions in that scenario but
trying to kill her
chrissy87
wrote:
note ms.Richy riches
parents kicked her ass out and took her
nice new truck they had got her for her
21st birthday back and a year later they
still are not talking to her, she went
from ms.Rich to ms.Poor now living in a
crudy apartment downtown.
i think you have issues with your
cousin.
Regardless, i'm sure she had her reasons
and it was her decision. If her parents
feel that strongly then it's their own
perogative - lose a daughter over a fetus
if they will. Everyone reacts differently
I suppose. My parents are pro-life. They
didn't disown me for having my abortion -
whilst they didn't agree wih me on any
level it was not their decision to make.
chrissy87
wrote:
when I suspected at 4 weeks
I was pregnant I wanted to terminate my
baby because my view was im only 4 weeks
the heart is not beating so nothing their
there is an embryo there at four weeks.
Why did you want to terminate if you don't
mind me asking?
Mollie
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Posted: 06-02-06 09:07am
I also agree that you are entitled to your
opinion, but I have read more than one
study that has been done within the past
year that says fetuses' brains are not
developed enough to feel pain until the
beginning of the third trimester. So,
that would mean that a fetus no more than
24 weeks wouldn't have the brain capacity
to register pain. I know a lot of
pro-lifers will chant incessantly about
how the fetus jostles around to escape the
"evil doctor's vacuum", but that is merely
an involuntary reaction to a foreign
object in the environment. If you were to
open a woman's uterus and gently poke the
fetus with your finger, it would start
rolling around. Why? Because nature
never intended for things to be poking
around in there, and any organism
subjected to an unfamiliar or foreign
presence will automatically react. /end
biology rant
your cousin's ex-fiance sounds like a real
jewel /sarcasm. I also shudder to think
how he would have treated his children if
he was prepared to kill your cousin for
choosing abortion, for whatever reasons
she had.
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Chrissy87 Posted: 06-07-06 11:27am
Just wondering what happened to the person
who started this thread. It would be
interesting to see her response
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Posted: 06-07-06 19:28pm
The thing of it is at 6 weeks nothing
would register, you would not remember
being in the womb or doing anything or
even being born, to me if you feel
abortion would be a better way to go you
would not remember it either, kind of like
the right to die if you knew that you have
for example alzheimers, or lying in bed in
a vegetative state odds are that you would
rather pass on just like if you feel that
you would not have a good life as a baby
or a child, you would probably chose death
or an abortion or at least I know that I
would.
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Re: My Thoughts Posted: 08-03-06 19:56pm
[quote="chrissy87"].
One thing you need to think about is how
many priest have you seen support
abortion? I watch all kinds of abortion
stuff and I have never ever seen a priest
say hey abortion is okay, they are always
ranting against it.Quote]
puuuuuuurlease dont get me started on
priests....Now who was it that was in the
news a few years back for a series of
peadophilic acts on many choirboys and
sunday school children...Ah yes...The
mr-all-might-priest wasnt it... And
believe me there were a few up and down
the country..Once one child (now an adult)
felt strong enough to speak out a whole
bunch of others came forward and told
their stories too....So u see thats why
priests dont condone termination it means
killin potential "victims" of
theirs!!!!!!!
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Re: My Thoughts Posted: 08-03-06 21:00pm
[quote="lissy79"]
chrissy87
wrote:
.
One thing you need to think about is how
many priest have you seen support
abortion? I watch all kinds of
abortion stuff and I have never ever seen
a priest say hey abortion is okay, they
are always ranting against it.Quote]
puuuuuuurlease dont get me started on
priests....Now who was it that was in the
news a few years back for a series of
peadophilic acts on many choirboys and
sunday school children...Ah yes...The
mr-all-might-priest wasnt it... And
believe me there were a few up and down
the country..Once one child (now an adult)
felt strong enough to speak out a whole
bunch of others came forward and told
their stories too....So u see thats why
priests dont condone termination it means
killin potential "victims" of
theirs!!!!!!!
now back it up just one moment. Granted
there were priests involved in
pedophilla....And as far as I am
concerned....They need to be prosecuted to
the full extent of the law. But pedophila
is not just a catholic priest crime.
There have been teachers, parents,
ministers, and scout leaders all guilty of
this horrific crime. Are the priests
involved in these despicable acts
representative of all priests. Absolutely
not. The fact is....You don't hear about
the priests who give of their time and
resources to do many wonderful and
charitable acts. Why? Because who wants
to hear the good things? The public
hungers for the negative.
Actually....Those priests, teachers,
parents, ministers, and scout leaders who
are guilty of pedophilla are in the
minority....And not a true reflection of
any majority.
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Lissy79
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Posted: 08-04-06 03:45am
True I hear what ur saying but chrissy
wasnt stating teachers parents etc she was
stating preists....And no I dont htink
priests or religion are any
good...Otherwise my uncle would never have
killed himself if it wasnt for the narrow
minded big book of fairy storied that
these peopl call a bible!!....My uncle was
a member of a church, made it up quite
high actually, went on hols to monastaries
around the world...Yet the one thing just
the one that made him stand out was the
fact he was gay....And what does that big
book of fairy stories say?!?!?!?
Exactly....So he couldnt live with the
guilt (even though this beautifull man had
done nothing worng) he killed himself, and
I saw what that did to my dad and my
aunties and uncles...Its ripped my family
apart and all because the church thinks it
has the juristiction to tell someone who
they can and cant love...So no priests in
my eyes dont do anything good sorry.
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Posted: 08-04-06 05:48am
Tell em lisa! I totally agree with you
mate.
The original poster hasnt been back, as
its quite old. And she comes from a
family where the males swing baseball bats
at their pregnant partners.
*roll*
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Posted: 08-04-06 20:12pm
lissy79
wrote:
true I hear what ur saying
but chrissy wasnt stating teachers parents
etc she was stating preists....And no I
dont htink priests or religion are any
good...Otherwise my uncle would never have
killed himself if it wasnt for the narrow
minded big book of fairy storied that
these peopl call a bible!!....My uncle was
a member of a church, made it up quite
high actually, went on hols to monastaries
around the world...Yet the one thing just
the one that made him stand out was the
fact he was gay....And what does that big
book of fairy stories say?!?!?!?
Exactly....So he couldnt live with the
guilt (even though this beautifull man had
done nothing worng) he killed himself, and
I saw what that did to my dad and my
aunties and uncles...Its ripped my family
apart and all because the church thinks it
has the juristiction to tell someone who
they can and cant love...So no priests in
my eyes dont do anything good
sorry.
i am sorry that your uncle suicided. The
bible speaks of god's infinite mercy and
it also says clearly that suiciding is
wrong, completetly wrong like judas
iscariote who hanged himself because he
couldn't live with the guilt of turning
jesus to the authorities. The bible tell
us that was judas biggest mistake to doubt
that jesus would forgive him. Now I
understand that your uncle was tempted by
the devil to suicide because those who
look for god are the most tempted.
People who live the dark life getting
drunk, using drugs, promiscous etc satan
doesn't go cause they are already possesed
by him, therefore satan addresses to the
ones that seek god as those are the
challenge for him. Unfortunatetly your
uncle did fall in a satan tramp like many
others.
In our catholic parish we have a gay
ministry founded by gays and run by gays.
Gays are fully welcomed to the church and
I don't mind gays to be priest. As long
as they are celibe there is nothing wrong
with being a gay priest and that is
because priest have 8 years to decide they
want to be priest and therefore having
plenty of time to decide if they want to
be celibe for the rest of their life.
And by the way the way the bible says
jesus said to love everyone. "love one
another". So it is not dictating to love
a certain class of people. If you mind to
read the bible you will discover that much
of what you assume is not true.
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Lissy79
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Posted: 08-05-06 04:25am
Errrrrrr hello ur in america im in the
uk....Specifically wales, where religion
is the old fasioned original religion
where gay is looked upon as a sin, yet my
uncle hadnt sinned, he hadnt even had a
same sex relationship, we only found out
that he was gay in his letter he left!!!!
I know everyone is entitled to their
oppinion but no love, my uncle wasn't
possesed by the devil he was normal so he
was gay so what, he was a loving generous
good guy and I miss him every day. And if
u have a parish with a gay preacher then
yes finally the world is begining to make
sense....Only it wont ever bring my uncle
back. Sp please dont tell me to read the
fsiry stories their propaganda made up by
small minded men years ago. Their rules
dont fit into todays society. Or should I
ignore my cousin because he also gay???
It'll end up im all alone in the world
because the fairy stories will tell me to
ignore all my family for some silly reason
or another. If I do not kill or cause
harm to people then I prefere to live by
my own rules ta very much.
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Posted: 08-05-06 06:20am
Well said lissy
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Lissy79
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Posted: 08-05-06 06:52am
Hey diamond, thanks. I hope people dont
think im not having a go im just
explaining what I think. If people want
to follow the bible then thats their
choice their free to make it. But my
personal feelings are that the bible and
its rules killed my uncle because they
brainwashed him into thinking his
sexuality was wrong. Now my family have
to be without a very lovely man. And
every time I see how sad my father gets it
upsets me because I dont ever want to see
my father sad. I shouldnt have to hold a
62 year old man in my arms and comfort him
whilst he cries yet that is what I had to
do in the weeks following my uncles death.
And that is what gets me
soooooooooooooooo angry
grrrrrrrrrrrrrr....
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Posted: 08-05-06 07:01am
I totally agree with you lissy - religion
is the root of all evil. I'm so sorry
for you losing your lovely uncle, that's
just so sad and has brought tears to my
eyes. I hope you and your family are
able to find some peace; your uncle is at
least not suffering any more.
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Posted: 08-05-06 23:46pm
happybaby
wrote:
i totally agree with you
lissy - religion is the root of all evil.
I'm so sorry for you losing your lovely
uncle, that's just so sad and has brought
tears to my eyes. I hope you and your
family are able to find some peace; your
uncle is at least not suffering any
more.
wrong dear. Religion is not the root of
all evil. Money is the root of all evil.
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Posted: 08-05-06 23:59pm
nightangel73
wrote:
happybaby
wrote:
i totally agree with you
lissy - religion is the root of all evil.
I'm so sorry for you losing your lovely
uncle, that's just so sad and has brought
tears to my eyes. I hope you and your
family are able to find some peace; your
uncle is at least not suffering any
more.
wrong dear. Religion is not the root of
all evil. Money is the root of all
evil.
actually, i'd have to agree that it is
religion. And money. And greed. Wait,
that's related to money. And pride is
related to religion and cultural identity.
They are all human downfalls. Not evil.
Evil is a religious concept.
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Posted: 08-06-06 00:05am
lissy79
wrote:
hey diamond, thanks. I
hope people dont think im not having a go
im just explaining what I think. If
people want to follow the bible then thats
their choice their free to make it. But
my personal feelings are that the bible
and its rules killed my uncle because they
brainwashed him into thinking his
sexuality was wrong. Now my family have
to be without a very lovely man. And
every time I see how sad my father gets it
upsets me because I dont ever want to see
my father sad. I shouldnt have to hold
a 62 year old man in my arms and comfort
him whilst he cries yet that is what I had
to do in the weeks following my uncles
death. And that is what gets me
soooooooooooooooo angry
grrrrrrrrrrrrrr....
look lissy i'm sorry your uncle made a
wrong choice in killing himself. I can
see you are still in pain. But religion
is not to blame. The bible does not say
to kill yourself if your sexuality is not
straight. You have no clue what the
book of fairy tales is about. You don't
know what are you talking about.
Religion actually helped my mom to recover
from the death of my brother. He was gay
and died out of drug abuse at a young age.
You better believe he didn't care what
the book of fairy tales got to say still
he lost his life for bad choices he made.
We miss him lissy and I had to be very
strong to support my family, I am the only
child now. The power of prayer helped us
greatly.
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Posted: 08-06-06 00:11am
eiri
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
happybaby
wrote:
i totally agree with you
lissy - religion is the root of all evil.
I'm so sorry for you losing your
lovely uncle, that's just so sad and has
brought tears to my eyes. I hope you
and your family are able to find some
peace; your uncle is at least not
suffering any
more.
wrong dear. Religion is not the root of
all evil. Money is the root of all
evil.
actually, i'd have to agree that it is
religion. And money. And greed.
Wait, that's related to money. And pride
is related to religion and cultural
identity. They are all human downfalls.
Not evil. Evil is a religious
concept.
eiri why humans have downfalls?
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Lissy79
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Posted: 08-06-06 01:54am
Like I said nightangel everyone is free to
their own oppinion...And why wouldnt I
know what the bible says??? I went to
sunday school every sunday till 6 and
church every sunday afternoon till I was
10.....It was then that I made my own mind
up so yes I know what the bible is
about.... Its about prejudice hidden in
the form of religion. But if those are
the old fashoned rules that some people
wish to live their lives by in todays
society then thats their freedom of
choice.....Mine is to live by my own rule
of treat everyone how I would wish to be
treated, so that is curtious, and without
any harm. Im glad the bible helped your
mother, it just does the opposite for me
im affraid
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Posted: 08-06-06 10:41am
nightangel73
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
happybaby
wrote:
i totally agree with you
lissy - religion is the root of all evil.
I'm so sorry for you losing your
lovely uncle, that's just so sad and has
brought tears to my eyes. I hope you
and your family are able to find some
peace; your uncle is at least not
suffering any
more.
wrong dear. Religion is not the root
of all evil. Money is the root of all
evil.
actually, i'd have to agree that it is
religion. And money. And greed.
Wait, that's related to money. And
pride is related to religion and cultural
identity. They are all human downfalls.
Not evil. Evil is a religious
concept.
eiri why humans have
downfalls?
because we are falliable. We are greedy;
it roots from self preservation. If you
have the best hunting ground, you're most
likely to survive. Owning the biggest tv
might not help you survive, but it is
rooted in that survival instinct.
