In 2002... 1,082 american children died
from violent assault; 2,347 died from a
car accident; 32,867 from diesease;
1,310,000 died from legal abortion...
Day after day, week after week, year after
year, innocent children are quietly and
violently killed behind clinic doors...
And no one seems to care
-4,000 unborn babies are killed every day
in the u.S. Alone
-25,000 are killed each week
-109,000 are killed each month
and...
1.3 million babies are killed through
legal abortion each year in the u.S.
Please help to stop the unjustice...
Choose life, your mother did.
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megums1211
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Posted: 05-31-06 13:06pm
That is my stand. I am here to fight
against people like you. And I get my
information from well educated sites. I
am not here to argue or call names. I am
simply stating the facts. If you don't
like what I have posted, not my problem.
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diamond splinter
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Posted: 05-31-06 13:23pm
Yaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy to abort73 I love that
site so many facts
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Moo
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You have no idea of the situations behind
those abortions. I'm more concerned with
the individual women involved in
situations where abortion is chosen as
opposed to statistics about non-sentient
z/e/f's.
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Tylanas
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Megums, why did you feel the need to spam
almost every active topic on this forum
with the same exact thing?
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sandyallen
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Posted: 05-31-06 14:56pm
I have to agree with .Moo their are a lot
of times their is a need be situation. If
you are not in the females shoes, you have
no right to say whether her choice be
right or wrong, this is why I feel their
should remain a choice to avoid going
through all of the red tape political
garbage as their might come a time in
one's life where an abortion is necessary
and no dr will do it because it is
illegal, I know about this one, I lost a
good older friend of mine when abortion
was illegal and no dr would touch her
because abortion was illegal and not even
an illegal abortionist because she would
have bled out, he even knew she needed a
professional abortion and so she
hemohraged(sp) and past on when the drs
could have saved her.
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Cambion
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Here's some statictics for you to nash
your teeth on:
- over 3 million children are the victims
of neglect or abuse every year
- of said victims, 63 percent suffered
from neglect, 19 percent from physical
abuse, 10 percent sexual abuse, and 8
percent emotional maltreatment.
- an estimated 2000 children die each year
from neglect or abuse, which is equal to
about five to six a day...Just here in
america.
- of those children who die, 85 percent
were under the age of six at the time of
their deaths, and 44 percent were not even
a year old yet.
Save unwanted babies so they can be part
of those statistics? I'm still rooting
for the abortion option to remain legal to
prevent innocent kids from having to be
put through such crap. This is an excerpt
from the source of these statistics:
Quote:
factors which
contribute to child abuse include the
immaturity of parents, lack of parenting
skills, unrealistic expectations
about children's behavior and
capabilities, a parent's own negative
childhood experience, social isolation,
frequent family crises and drug or alcohol
problems. Child abuse is a symptom that
parents are having difficulty coping with
their
situation.
people who don't want kids or are not
ready for them are usually known for
having a lack of parenting skills. And
look what the first sources of child abuse
are? Perhaps it's not directly linked to
abortion, but just think about it - all
the children who the pro-lifers "save"
could very well end up being a part of
those statistics. Way to go. I'm not
saying all unwanted kids are
neglected or abused, but a lot of kids who
suffer such abuse probably were never
really wanted, or the parents were too
stupid to know what they were doing.
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megums1211
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Posted: 06-01-06 13:19pm
I never once called you a name, nor will I
ever. And yes, it is a stance. But
rather than call people names like you all
are doing. I'm giving the well
researched facts. So next time you want
to say that I am the one calling names,
don't end your post with calling me a
female part of the body. Now you are the
one in fact calling names. And I am the
one calmly arguing my stand against
abortion. I am well aware of the fact
that children are being beaten, but not
every woman who had had an abortion will
be beating their child. This is not
about who's beating their child and who's
not. Abortion should not be based on
facts about child abuse. Why should we
base our opinions on what will happen in
the future? The future is never certain.
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trina1
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Posted: 06-01-06 13:53pm
megums1211
wrote:
i never once called you a
name, nor will I ever. And yes, it is a
stance. But rather than call people
names like you all are doing. I'm
giving the well researched facts. So
next time you want to say that I am the
one calling names, don't end your post
with calling me a female part of the body.
Now you are the one in fact calling
names. And I am the one calmly arguing
my stand against abortion. I am well
aware of the fact that children are being
beaten, but not every woman who had had an
abortion will be beating their child.
This is not about who's beating their
child and who's not. Abortion should
not be based on facts about child abuse.
Why should we base our opinions on what
will happen in the future? The future is
never
certain.
if you notice...That is kind of a pattern
with one in particular on here (the name
calling and insults that is). Everyone
else here is merely expressing an opinion.
Ignore the one....The rest are pretty
decent on both sides. No one on here
knows you as a person...So the names and
insults are just a way of trying to push
buttons and start problems amongst a bunch
of people who for the most
part....Although they are on seperate
sides....Are quite civil. Stick to the
civil...Ignore the uncivil and you will
find posting much easier. Jmho
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megums1211
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Posted: 06-01-06 14:09pm
Thanks for the inside scoop :)
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Moo
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Posted: 06-01-06 15:26pm
megums1211
wrote:
i'm giving the well
researched
facts.
giving the number of abortions performed
is hardly well researched. The
department of health (here) releases these
figures every year.
megums1211
wrote:
not every woman who had
had an abortion will be beating their
child.
i don't believe she was stating that women
who have abortions will beat their
subsequent children, I believe it was
about the fact that there is alot of child
abuse in society so why introduce more
unwanted children into it if it can be
avoided when there's an increased chance
of ill treatment? (notice I said unwanted
as opposed to unplanned )
megums1211
wrote:
abortion should not be
based on facts about child abuse. Why
should we base our opinions on what will
happen in the future? The future is
never
certain.
abortion should be based on the individual
circumstances of those involved, not on
statistics staing how many terminations
take place.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 06-01-06 17:16pm
megums1211
wrote:
why should we base our
opinions on what will happen in the
future? The future is never
certain.
alrighty... I'm going to go smoke now,
and pollute the environment, i'm not going
to get an education, and i'm not going to
bathe anymore. What? I shouldn't be
basing my desiscions on the future,
right?
Do the ends justify the means, or are the
actions we do more important than the
intent?
And aren't almost all major religions
based upon doing good now, so
that later, in the future,,
you can go to heaven/nirvana/wherever?
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trina1
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Posted: 06-01-06 17:40pm
eiri
wrote:
megums1211
wrote:
why should we base our
opinions on what will happen in the
future? The future is never
certain.
alrighty... I'm going to go smoke now,
and pollute the environment, i'm not going
to get an education, and i'm not going to
bathe anymore. What? I shouldn't be
basing my desiscions on the future,
right?
Do the ends justify the means, or are the
actions we do more important than the
intent?
And aren't almost all major religions
based upon doing good now, so
that later, in the future,,
you can go to
heaven/nirvana/wherever?
this is very interesting. The one thing
that we all have in common on this
board....Pc or pl....Christian or
non....Is the fact that not a one of us
knows for sure what our future is to be.
You can be rich today and lose it all in
the stock market tomorrow....Or you can be
poor today....And with one lucky lottery
ticket.....You can have more money than
you could ever hope to spend. Because we
can't judge our own futures....I think
what megums was saying is...."how can we
possibly judge someone elses?" (i.E. The
human life inside the woman). Poverty,
abuse, neglect....They are not all certain
outcomes. Probability does not equal a
definite outcome.
Eiri has a point though too.....Just
because our future isn't certain....Does
that mean that we throw caution to the
wind and live any way we choose for today
with no preparation for the future....Or
does it mean that we live each moment to
the best of our ability knowing nothing is
guaranteed...But hoping for another
tomorrow?
Another great question asked by
eiri...."do the ends justify the means or
are the actions more important than the
intent?" if you pull the trigger on a gun
and accidently kill someone...The intent
was not to kill....But the actual action
by far outweighs the intent. If you have
an abortion because you are scared....And
a human life dies (as is always the
case)....Was it your intention to have a
human life killed......Or was it merely
your intention to rid yourself of the fear
that pregnancy caused you? Again...Is the
action more important than the intent?
Perhaps this is a question that should be
asked more often.
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Tylanas
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trina1
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
megums1211
wrote:
why should we base our
opinions on what will happen in the
future? The future is never
certain.
alrighty... I'm going to go smoke now,
and pollute the environment, i'm not going
to get an education, and i'm not going to
bathe anymore. What? I shouldn't be
basing my desiscions on the future,
right?
Do the ends justify the means, or are the
actions we do more important than the
intent?
And aren't almost all major religions
based upon doing good now, so
that later, in the future,,
you can go to
heaven/nirvana/wherever?
this is very interesting. The one thing
that we all have in common on this
board....Pc or pl....Christian or
non....Is the fact that not a one of us
knows for sure what our future is to be.
no, but we must, I believe (religious or
not) that we must all strive to make the
world a better place; for ourselves and
for our future, and for our children and
their futures. Not doing something just
because you don't know what's going to
result from it is dumb. If it's the right
thing to do for you, and you aren't hurting
anybody, then do it.
Quote:
eiri has a point
though too.....Just because our future
isn't certain....Does that mean that we
throw caution to the wind and live any way
we choose for today with no preparation
for the future....Or does it mean that we
live each moment to the best of our
ability knowing nothing is
guaranteed...But hoping for another
tomorrow?
i believe more in the second idea; do what
you believe is best each day.
Quote:
another great
question asked by eiri...."do the ends
justify the means or are the actions more
important than the intent?" if you pull
the trigger on a gun and accidently kill
someone...The intent was not to
kill....But the actual action by far
outweighs the intent. If you have an
abortion because you are scared....And a
human life dies (as is always the
case)....Was it your intention to have a
human life killed......Or was it merely
your intention to rid yourself of the fear
that pregnancy caused you? Again...Is
the action more important than the intent?
Perhaps this is a question that should
be asked more
often.
what if you have an abortion and you are
not scared? What if you know exactly what
you are doing? What if it really is the
best choice, that you can see from where
you are at that time and that place? You
cannot see if that potential human will
cure cancer; but you also cannot see
whether or not you will cure cancer, if
you stay in school. But you know the
child, of born, will remove you from
school. That is all you know. So? What
choices are to be made? For the
betterment of oneself, so that one can
become educated and contribute to society?
Or to stop that, and to bring in another
life, and put your own life on hold, even
if it ruins you?
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diamond splinter
wrote:
yaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy to
abort73 I love that site so many
facts
great website. It was tough to see the
video. They show for real the aborted
fetuses, the little legs, the little arms
yikes.
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Cambion
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Posted: 06-02-06 08:56am
Quote:
i don't believe
she was stating that women who have
abortions will beat their subsequent
children, I believe it was about the fact
that there is alot of child abuse in
society so why introduce more unwanted
children into it if it can be avoided when
there's an increased chance of ill
treatment? (notice I said unwanted as
opposed to unplanned
)
thank you moo - you hit the nail on the
head.
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sandyallen
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Posted: 06-02-06 19:53pm
It is not all about beating a baby or a
child, it is also about rape, incest,
fetus' without all of its norrmal organs
and the organs that cannot be replaced
that have baby being born that has to be
put on life suppurt until the decidion is
made to pull the plug, a decison such as
mine where it had been kicked until it was
not recognizable as a fetus or where it
had a n iud in its head where it was very
much abnormal and their are hundreds of
other reasons where the answer is abortion
where a lot of you cannot understand.
Their are alot of things nowadays that
cannot be fixed!
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Posted: 06-02-06 22:26pm
moo
wrote:
i don't believe she was stating that women
who have abortions will beat their
subsequent children, I believe it was
about the fact that there is alot of child
abuse in society so why introduce more
unwanted children into it if it can be
avoided when there's an increased chance
of ill treatment?
today my coworkers were talking about
their children and they were saying how
efficient the system is in america to
attack child abuse. Kids are teached in
school that their parents can't touch
them. My coworker was telling how by a
little scream she had the cops in her home
checking her children. I was sharing with
them how it was when I was a child. My
brother used to beat me up and I would
scream and the whole street heard me and
no one called the cops. If that was in
america cops would be at home everytime of
my screaming, all neighbors would have
called. So I was thinking in the excuse
that prochoicers like to use of child
neglect and abuse, those people are put in
jail in america here at a heartbeat so
it's not like if the women have the baby
they have opportunity to be child
neglectors. The will go straight to jail
in america.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 06-02-06 22:40pm
nightangel73
wrote:
moo
wrote:
i don't believe she was stating that women
who have abortions will beat their
subsequent children, I believe it was
about the fact that there is alot of child
abuse in society so why introduce more
unwanted children into it if it can be
avoided when there's an increased chance
of ill treatment?
today my coworkers were talking about
their children and they were saying how
efficient the system is in america to
attack child abuse. Kids are teached in
school that their parents can't touch
them. My coworker was telling how by a
little scream she had the cops in her home
checking her children. I was sharing
with them how it was when I was a child.
My brother used to beat me up and I would
scream and the whole street heard me and
no one called the cops. If that was in
america cops would be at home everytime of
my screaming, all neighbors would have
called. So I was thinking in the excuse
that prochoicers like to use of child
neglect and abuse, those people are put in
jail in america here at a heartbeat so
it's not like if the women have the baby
they have opportunity to be child
neglectors. The will go straight to
jail in
america.
so you're promoting child abuse and
sibling abuse? Go back to your birth
country, if you have so many.E.D.I.T.E.D.
.F.O.R. .A.B.U.S.I.V.E. .L.I.K.E.
.B.E.H.A.V.I.O.R. Problems with ours.
No, I am not anti-immigration, and this
has nothing to do with that. I have a
problem with people who say "oh it was so
much better where I was from" whether they
are referring to a city, the countryside,
suburbs, or a whole other country. You
don't like it? Go back home and stop
being annoying.
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Cambion
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Posted: 06-03-06 02:57am
Yeah, sure america's system attacks child
abuse. If you call cps about a child
abuse case, they won't even bother to look
into it unless the child in question is
starving, bleeding, or dying. America is
supposedly "all about god's precious
little miracles", yet the idiots whose job
it is to help abused children don't do
everything in their power to see that the
abused kids find the help and care they
need. Now, I understand some people who
report child abuse are morons, and they'll
report a parent who spanks her child for
misbehaving. It's the reports like that
that discourage the workers from attending
cases that really need the help.
Also, there is not always solid proof of
abuse...And children who are abused are
usually made to think they somehow deserve
the abuse and then they get too scared to
tell anyone. Some parents who beat their
kids hard enough to leave marks force
their kids to make up a lie to cover the
tracks; a kid shows up with a great big
bruise on her leg because daddy decided to
shove her down the stairs, but she's
forced to admit that she tripped over
something or got it playing soccer or
whatever. People who abuse children
sometimes don't get their come-uppance
because they know how to hide the
evidence.
