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Q: Serious Back Pain-i've Been Scammed By the Drx-9000 Machine
asked by: norman12 on May 23rd, 2006
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I have l3-4, l5-s1 bulges and a large l4-5 herniation w/ severe stenosis stemming from a car accident. I got talked into this traction machine drx-9000 and it seemed to get rid of the back pain and the numbness in right foot. After finishing the 25 sessions they gave me an mri slip that would supposedly show a greater than 50% resolution in herniation. My insurance wouldn't cover a 2nd mri so the Dr. Told me to lift weights, run, and do whatever. I never had radiating leg pain either.

I have been weight training for 2 weeks and lower back pain is coming back steadily. There is no numbness in my right foot/toes and my legs feel light-not heavy like b/f.
Do I just ignore the pain and keep on lifting since there's no numbness?
Should I consult w/ a spine surgeon?
Should I consult w/ a neurosurgeon? I need help!
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norman12
replied on May 23rd, 2006
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Bump for answers
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sandyallen
replied on May 23rd, 2006
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I am not a dr but I would talk to your neurosurgeon about the situation.
Good lick!
Keep us posted.
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norman12
replied on May 24th, 2006
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Thanx sandyallen, I will meet w/ my neuro june 20 so i'll know more then. I guess that having back pain while lifting is a bad sign.
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Tamadrummer
replied on May 24th, 2006
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It is not necessarly a bad sign. What you might want to do for the interem is to only lift weights on the machine not free weights and also back down your work out to a point that you are not in too much pain.

After a few weeks of that work out, step it up very slowly, if you have true back problems, nothing will stop them but you can build up your tolerance to pain stimulation by moving very slowly as far as the intensity of your work out.

It is always a good idea to go to an orthopedic or neuro doc when dealing with back pain, don't be surprised if your herniations are not any different than they were in the first mri, that is the way it goes. Having a herniation does not mean that you cannot work out. If you are not experiencing any pain or minimal pain then you are ok. The spinal cord normally ends at l1/l2 or maybe l2/l3 and since your injuries are below those levels, you cannot hirt your spinal cord and so you should be ok.

Remember, l4/l5 is where the siatic nerve roots are and so if there are major/minor herneations pressing on the nerve roots, there is a good chance you are going to experience problems otherwise if your bulges are away from the nerve tissue and if your pain is muscle spasm related vs. Spinal pain you are likly to be refered back to pt and told to keep up the workouts so that you can build up your back strength.

Good luck,
brian
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norman12
replied on May 24th, 2006
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tamadrummer wrote:
it is not necessarly a bad sign. What you might want to do for the interem is to only lift weights on the machine not free weights and also back down your work out to a point that you are not in too much pain.


After a few weeks of that work out, step it up very slowly, if you have true back problems, nothing will stop them but you can build up your tolerance to pain stimulation by moving very slowly as far as the intensity of your work out.

It is always a good idea to go to an orthopedic or neuro doc when dealing with back pain, don't be surprised if your herniations are not any different than they were in the first mri, that is the way it goes. Having a herniation does not mean that you cannot work out. If you are not experiencing any pain or minimal pain then you are ok. The spinal cord normally ends at l1/l2 or maybe l2/l3 and since your injuries are below those levels, you cannot hirt your spinal cord and so you should be ok.


Remember, l4/l5 is where the siatic nerve roots are and so if there are major/minor herneations pressing on the nerve roots, there is a good chance you are going to experience problems otherwise if your bulges are away from the nerve tissue and if your pain is muscle spasm related vs. Spinal pain you are likly to be refered back to pt and told to keep up the workouts so that you can build up your back strength.

Good luck,
brian
just to backtrack a little as I was very frustrated when I posted this thread. When I started on this drx-9000, I had bad back pain, numbness in right shin and right toes, and others noted that my feet barely left the ground when walking.

Now after treatment of drx-9000 (best traction-like machine out), 25 treatments, no more pain, no numbness in shin or toes, (never had radiating leg or glute pain) and legs feel incredibly light. So I waited 2 months extra for healing time b/f training again. Now today the pain is reduced. The changes I made: just light weights, cut out cardio machines like elliptical, tradmill, and arc-trainer (a trainer told me they were high impact b/c of constant movement) and I cut my sleep med down as I was sleeping for 10 hrs-don't think it was good for my back. Today I slept for 7 hrs and back felt much better. And my doc inc. Celebres dose to 400mg ed.
Thanx for the feedback peeps,
norman
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IMShirl
replied on May 24th, 2006
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Hi Norman
Hi norman ~

I did reply to your post on spine and beyond. ;)

imshirl :d
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IMShirl
replied on May 24th, 2006
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Hey Brian
Hey brian ~

your right the spinal cord normally ends at the bottom of l2. ;)

shirl :d
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Tamadrummer
replied on May 24th, 2006
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Thanks shirl,

norman,

i am not too sure I am following your complaint properly. It sounds as if you are actually better, right? How did you get scammed?

Hopefully I am reading this wrong and you are happy with your results because many of us that have had surgery vs. Drx-9000 or whatever other kind of pt stuff are pretty much disabled for good.
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sandyallen
replied on May 24th, 2006
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I am not a Dr. I do agree with tamdrummer in some ways, an orthopedic or a neurologist would be a good idea as I feel it is always good to get a second and even sometimes a third opinion although it is your choice. I have known of several people that have had back surgeries and hve gotten worse, that is why I refuse back surgery and some people have good luck with back surgeries, my problems are l4-s1 I too have sciatica nerve problems and it is heck! I have also had two neck fusion's snd the dr wants to do another one but I said, no thatnk you, it seems the more surgeries you have, th more scar tissue you have and the more arthritis you end up with, I was told by my neck surgeon that one surgery can lead to another, I really don't see that much difference between the neck and back but as I said before, I am no Dr. I really do not see where a second opinion would hurt! I know what chronic pain is and I hope you do not have to live with it the rest of your life as I do as I have a lot of medical situations!
I do wish you the best! Be positive!
Keep us posted, it takes time for things to heal!
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norman12
replied on May 25th, 2006
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Who are the moderators inthis forum. I keep posting and they get deleted
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norman12
replied on May 25th, 2006
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tamadrummer wrote:
thanks shirl,

norman,

i am not too sure I am following your complaint properly. It sounds as if you are actually better, right? How did you get scammed?


Hopefully I am reading this wrong and you are happy with your results because many of us that have had surgery vs. Drx-9000 or whatever other kind of pt stuff are pretty much disabled for good.
i'm actually doing poorly right now and i'm in pain and my posts are deleted-it keeps going back to log in even though I am already logged in
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IMShirl
replied on May 26th, 2006
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Norman ~

I don't think there are any moderators here. :roll:

shirl
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