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Q: Can Gout Be Triggered By Activity?
asked by: BrianF on May 2nd, 2006
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I am 33, have had gout for about 3.5 years that I know of. Might of had it for 5-6 years if I think back to times when my feet / toes were sore after long days on them.


1st let me say that doctors are tools. The 1st time I was diagnosed with this the doctor printed something directly off of the internet for me to read. Simple, here ya go, have a nice day, take this medicine kind of answer. The next doctor saw that there was something more here and sent me for therapy in thought that it may have been an injury that never healed properly. Next I went through a chain of specialists including a podiotrist and ruematologist (sp?). I was diagnosed for several things that never stuck. The only real one that they all concluded on was gout but could never explain the constant pain that I had even with treatment. Had an mri and several blood tests but never a test of the fluid in the joint affected (my right ankle). Ua levels in blood always come back elevated but in the normal range. I don't remember the numbers but that is what I was told. I think that it is gout and maybe something else. Maybe even damage to the joint though xrays and the mri have showed up fine except for the excessive fluid that forms in my ankle.


Took colchicine for 1 year. Seemed to help out but I always have a soreness / off pain in my right ankle. It is more of an uncomfortable annoying pain than a painful one if that makes any sense. I take indocin for attacks but probably don't take it long enough. As soon as I feel it gone I stop and I hear that you should go 7-10 days no matter what. Same with colchicine I take it when I feal an attack coming on (3 on day 1, 2 on day 2, and 1 a day for a couple of weeks). I have been trying the bs but have not been measuring any ua levels and don't know that I have been taking it steadily enough. I was doing 1/2 teaspoon in the am and very rarely 1/2 in the afternoon. I still need to try this more and keep up with it for a better assesment.


Now for my question. Can gout be initiated by activity or heavy use of the joint that later is affected? My experience is yes but is this really 100% gout since I have soreness and discomfort in that joint even when I don't feal an attack? Could an attack untreated have caused much bigger damage to this joint? Has anyone ever had surgery to correct this?


Lastly, is is possible that I have crystals that have found a nice home to live in my ankle and can I evict them? :? If so how? I understand that alklizing the blood will help this but is there a faster way?


This really stinks that medical science can do all that it can in certain areas and yet some diseases and problems are so low on the radar screen of interest to fix them. Makes sense though as they can make more money off of drugs and doctor visits for ilnesses that are not life threatening.


I wanted to punch the ruematologist square in the face when he said it was not about fixing the problem rather it was about managing the pain. I was very ready to give him some pain to manage. Sorry for the violent outbreak there, I just want the pain to stop - it is not manageable until it is gone.


Brian
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JYY2
replied on May 2nd, 2006
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Any interest in taking a look at http://www.Icuredmygout.Org to see if it helps?
Good luck.
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BrianF
replied on May 2nd, 2006
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Jyy
Thanks. I have seen your site and find it very informative. Regarding the baking soda, I have tried it briefly and worked about a month ago so well that I stopped taking it a very short time after the pain was gone. I have been taking it for 1.5 days now (as I have a pretty bad attack right now). We'll see. I will give it more of an effort this time.

I literally just got back from having my ankle drained just now. Well, what they could anyways. This was be my 1st crystal test. For those needing to get one done, it is not that bad. I envisioned a giant cattle needle and a mad scientist holding it up with two hands saying (don't move this one is a little tricky). :)

i was pretty upfront with the doctor this time. Told him that all i'm interested in is getting that test done and that was it. I also asked him the same old questions looking for contradiction. I did ask him about bs and he said there is not scientific research that proves that works. Great then I guess if there is no research on something that it is not true? That is the kind of mentality that stops science from progressing.

I eat well and avoid most of the foods on the don't touch list, don't drink, but do work long hours sometimes (note: I have an office job). Never the less I do burn myself out and sometimes forget to get a good nights sleep.

The more I learn about gout, the more I hate it. Everytime I think i'm doing good I get a good kick in the pants lesson from gout. Don't eat this or that, don't move around too much, don't drink, don't take cold medication, etc.

Here is something strange... Everytime I go for an xray (got another today) they always point out this chip of bone that is loosly floating in my ankle. Then they say it is nothing. Well duh! I'm not a doctor but some clues are just right there in your face. Maybe they are right though.

Gas prices rising, taxes rising, and gout! All things that I can count on in life.

Brian
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nremondelli
replied on May 6th, 2006
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I am in a similar boat. Thirty-one and have had it for about six years. Just lingering pain in my toe. Enough to stop me from running. My doctors told me (2 now) that working the joint does not cause gout only diet and of course bad genes. I disagree. Every ime I start to excersize again it hurts again. I am startin to think however, that I am not giving it enough time to heal first. I wait until it doesn't hurt anymore and then I think I am cured.

Good luck
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kokako88
replied on May 7th, 2006
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chill3d
replied on July 30th, 2006
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I found this little bit about lactic acid, the same tyope of acid muscles produce when excersizing heavily

*when alcohol is digested, a form of acid (called lactic acid) is produced. Heavy alcohol intake leads to enough lactic acid in the blood that it competes with uric acid for excretion by the kidney. If levels of lactic acid are high enough, the blood level of uric acid rises.
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Haresh
replied on October 27th, 2007
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yes, heavy use of joint can trigger gout.
crystals accumulated during a prolonged gouty attack can be removed with a surgery but it can gather again in future attacks.
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Sloth97
replied on December 11th, 2007
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Exercise And Gout
I'm no doctor but have suffered gout for over 10 years. I'm a runner and it stinks when I get gout in my foot. I've had it in my foot, elbow, finger, toes, ankles, shoulder and possibly my hips and knees but it's hard to tell if it's gout of just general pain. I tend to get it only on my left side which is strange.
As far a excerise, I get it a lot less often when I exercise regularly. The longest times without gout is when I'm able to run all the time. Sometimes, my knees won't allow me to run so I ride a stationary bike but that's not the same.
I've actually experimented and gone running when I have gout. It's torture when I start and I have to start walking first and then build up to a jog. It definitely helps for a short period but It comes back when I sit for periods of time or when I sleep. What does help though is exercising when I first feel the gout coming on. If its in my finger, I will used some sort of squeezing device to get movement in that area. I work on a computer at work and if it's in my foot, I will bring a baseball, take off my shoe and press it to the floor with my foot and role it around. This seems to help stop the gout from becoming acute. When it's acute, it's too late. Colchicine is my friend in those cases.
My gout attacks at night when I sleep and sometimes I don't know it's coming until it's too late. I know most people die between the hours of 2am to 5am and that's when your acid levels are the highest which is probably why gout comes on at those times.
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Makoto
replied on December 21st, 2007
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I think working out and gout are connected. But I also think that a lack of hydration is a factor. Latic acid build up might be a consideration, but I think lack of water is more of a concern. I also think heavy pounding on a joint can bring on attack there if conditions are right.

To prevent this, make sure you have lots of water in your body. When you sweat alot, make sure you also use your baking soda. It works well.

For me, summer is a time when I sweat alot, and it is a time when I get a few attacks. While winter, is not a time where I get many attacks.

I wonder also if lack of sleep or being tired affects gout. I think it does.
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ralftheeskimobaby
replied on December 27th, 2007
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JYY2 wrote:
Any interest in taking a look at http://www.Icuredmygout.Org to see if it helps?

Good luck.


that was interesting. i have suffered from gout for over twenty years. i retired from the fire department cause of it. due to steroid treatment i have gained over 200 lbs, this was also caused from my inactivity due to extreme pain. i was misdiagnosed for 5 years when it started. i had an incident when i was an emt. i got food poisoning and had the worst case in my life. i almost lost my left foot because of no circulation. after extensive steroid treatment it went away. i had a bone scan done four years ago and it revealed that gout had deteriorated my joints in my ankles, knees and wrist. i have a huge gouty legion on my right wrist and my wrist is deformed. two days ago i had swelling around my eye socket and jaw and i had fluid drained from it and low and behold it was gout. i was one in one million to get in in my face. i am the exception i guess. i am currently on colchicine and naproxin. they help alot better than anything else i was on. if i get sick, dehydrated or hurt myself i usually get the worst cases of gout. more so than when i eat or drink the wrong thing. i don't drink alcohol, and i definitely dont eat right. stress and things of that nature also cause severe gout in me. it has gotten the best of me and i am only 38 years old. i am due for joint replacements in the next few years. it is a very scary illness that cause severe pain and malice. i wish doctors would quit saying that it is just what you eat or drink and actually do more research. also your uric acid levels do not have to be elevated to have an attack. sometimes it is only in the joint that is affected. it would have to be drained to find it. just wanted to pass along some info.
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stanl
replied on December 28th, 2007
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> i had an incident when i was an emt. i got food poisoning and had the worst > case in my life.

This is interesting. About 10 days before I got my very first gout attack (3 weeks ago) I got food poisoning. (The suspect was fresh ginger from China which might have been sprayed with a pesticide called aldicarb.)

I lead a pretty healthy lifestyle so I was surprised I got gout and have been trying to figure out what could have caused it. Food poisoning was on my list of suspects.

Stan

By the way, what is emt?
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Arnie Bean
replied on December 29th, 2007
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All 3 Teas = Green; White Tea And Oolong
WHITE TEA IS RESEARCHED AS BEING UN-PROCESSED SO IT GETS HIGH REMARKS FROM RESEARCH...
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TallMikey
replied on January 11th, 2008
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Soreness From Exercising
I am SURE that it has something to do with lactic acid.

I am 37 now, used to play pro basketball, and when I am out of shape and go exercise, the "sore days" (i.e. the day after and day after that) I have an attack. It's happened so many times I can count on it. Those are the days that I am sore (which is caused by Lactic Acid in muscles.) Guess it is a good reason to stay either in shape or out of shape!!!

Thing is I am rail thin. I don't understand why I have this gout.
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JYY2
replied on January 12th, 2008
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Re: Soreness From Exercising
Hi TallMikey,

Read that long distance cyclists take baking soda in water with them for the trip. The purpose is to neutralize the extra lactic acids produced during the long ride. It may help prevent gout attacks triggered by heavy exercise too. If you try, would you let us know if baking soda in water works? Check with a doctor before trying.

May I ask what is your blood uric acid level and the amount of uric acid excreted in 24 hours? Thanks.
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TallMikey
replied on January 12th, 2008
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Re: Soreness From Exercising
JYY2 wrote:

May I ask what is your blood uric acid level and the amount of uric acid excreted in 24 hours? Thanks.



How do I find this out? I'm just getting into this self-regulationand treatment, so if you could kindly point me to some resources. I would also like to test my blood PH levels. Thanks!
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JYY2
replied on January 12th, 2008
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The blood UA test, 24-hour urine UA excretion test, and blood pH test, are normally ordered through doctor's office. The (arterial) blood pH test is rarely done unless a person is under certain medical emergency. You can test the urine pH yourself using a pH paper.

The blood UA level and the amount of UA excreted in urine a day, are very useful info in managing gout. Studies have shown that if we can maintain the blood UA level under 5~6 mg/dL, the crystals will dissolve thus can prevent future gout attacks. This usually requires medication and may take months or years for the crystals to disappear.

The pH and the amount of UA in urine can tell us if steps are needed to increase UA excretion and to prevent kidney stones and kidney failure. If the amount of UA excretion is too low, it is beneficial to increase the excretion rate using Sulfinpyrazone, Probenecid, Losartan, etc. However, if UA excretion is too high and the urine pH is too low, one needs to cut these medicines and alkalize the urine to prevent UA kidney stones and kidney failure.

"The pH of the body" is a general and vague expression. Medically, the pH of the arterial blood and anion gap (AG) obtained from blood electrolyte test , are used to diagnose acidosis and alkalosis, the serious medical conditions. For others, "the pH of the body" may mean the pH of the urine, or some other general and value conditions. While the pH of the urine is normally positively correlated with the pH of the blood, it is not always so. For patients whose kidneys are unable to excrete acids in the urine, they will have normal or high urine pH and lower than normal blood pH, i.e., acidosis, a serious condition. As for gout patients, it is important to keep the pH around the joint at normal level to avoid gout attacks. Heavy exercise, as well as lack of exercise, can both cause changes of the pH around the joints and trigger gout attacks.

More gout info can be found at ICuredMyGout.org . Take care.
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JYY2
replied on January 12th, 2008
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Hi ralftheeskimoboy,

Sorry you have such sever gout.

you said you are taking colchicine and naproxin. But aren't you also taking uric acid (UA) lowering drugs such as Allopurinol, Probenecid, or Sulfinpyrazone? If you can keep your blood UA level under 5~6 mg/dL, the urate crystals will dissolve and prevent your joints from further damages.

Rasburicase is a very potent injectable which can lower the blood UA level down to less than 1 mg/dL and clean out a lot of UA from the body. More info can be found at:

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/540126 and
http://jco.ascopubs.org/cgi/reprint/19/3/6 97

A similar drug, PEG-uricase is in Phase 3 study and may be available in the near future.

If you haven't, I strongly suggest that you see a good rheumatologist. Good luck and take care.
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TallMikey
replied on January 12th, 2008
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Thanks JYY2, your info is very helpful! I think mine has a lot to do with my PH level. I'm going to try to really lower this. I was living in Europe for a few years where my Gout subsided, however I was eating and drinking "worse" than I am now from a purine standpoint. However I drank "sparkling water" (i..e. club soda) all the time, which might have been a simple thing but lowered my PH enough to not have Gout affect me.
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Panache
replied on January 20th, 2008
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Intense exercise DOES trigger gout!
Please refer to this research:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3343917

I am 31 yrs old and have had gout for 7 yrs now. For the first 6 years, I could not find a significant link between exercise and gout, probably because my ua level was still 'relatively' low. A year ago, my attacks became more frequent and I noticed a pattern to it. After an intense bout of aerobic exercise (HR 180 for 15-20 min), I will get an acute attack 80% of the time within the next 2 days, despite ample hydration and being on allopurinol.

I came across the above paper last month. Since then, I have resumed regular exercise (3X a week), but at reduced intensity (HR 150 for 30 min). I also stopped allopurinol. I have not had an attack in 2 weeks now. If as the paper says, ua level is elevated by 40% for 2 days after intense exercise, then this is not only a trigger point for acute gout, but could also have been contributory to my ua buildup over the past 7 years! Geez! I wish someone told me earlier!

If you too suffer from exercise-induced gout, please try lowering the intensity of your workout and publish your results! I will update again soon.
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Gwalch
replied on January 22nd, 2008
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Exercise definitely does it to me. In fact, for a few years before I was diagnosed, I had some symptoms that would appear after beginning to exercise (sharp pains in foot when I woke up that went away after I warmed up) after being out of shape for a while. At the time, I figured it was because I'm kind of a big guy (210-220 pounds when in decent shape) and ran on less than ideal terrain, but in hindsight they were probably warning signs that I was developing gout.

I have discovered something called "soda-loading" that athletes use before an intense competition. The amount of lactic acid that builds up in the blood from heavy exercise can cause serious fatigue and less efficient removal of waste, so athletes take large doses of baking soda before races as a ph buffer. Something like 5 teaspoons. Tests were done, and it was shown that 800 meter runners gained a significant advantage (several seconds) from soda loading. The 800 is a grueling race that combines both aerobic and anaerobic ability, so it builds up a lot of lactic acid from the combination of effort and time.

My guess would be that the combination of acid formation from lactic acid and carbonic acid, stress to the joint and dehydration caused by exercise could all contribute to gout. But this doesn't mean you can't exercise -- only that you should be careful and take precautions. Perhaps take a teaspoon of baking soda in water before exercise (ask doctor first), be careful to rehydrate after you have finished, and then take a warm footbath and a little more baking soda before bed. If you're really worried maybe take a couple hundred milligrams of ibuprofen before going to bed, too. I've found that a half teaspoon of baking soda and 200 milligrams of ibuprofen before bed is usually enough to avoid a gout attack even if I feel one coming on.

BTW, has anyone noticed that taking baking soda decreases one's craving for salt? I hardly salt my food at all when using it. I'm actually starting to wonder whether the practice of using table salt doesn't contribute to gout, because it substitutes for natural sources of sodium that are found in more alkaline food and water. I think JYY2 may be on to something that has implications far beyond just gout.
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