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Re: Lower Back Pain While Sitting..... Posted: 05-02-06 19:43pm
aniokly
wrote:
i have 2 herniated discs at
l5-s1 and l4/l5. I had surgery in 2000
on l5-s1. Recently I am having
excruciating pain in my lower back and
left hip whenever I sit for 5 minutes or
more. My doctor seems to think that I
just pulled something, but it has been 3
weeks since it has started and it is not
getting any better. I was on bedrest for
3 days while I took cyclobenzaprine and
hydrocodone, and it did not alleviate the
pain. It is most intense when I go to
get up after sitting, but seems to go away
(not totally) when I walk around or lay
flat. I have numbness in my left calf
and on the left side of my foot from prior
epidural steroid injections. I am so
frustrated at this point, I do not know
what to do....Please
help....
aniokly ~
I must apologize to you as your thread
has now focused in a different direction
and for that I am a big part and I am
deeply sorry. Please except my apology?
I would like to get back to the main
focus of this thread and that is you.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~
here is your post again as a reminder to
what is important on this thread and that
is aniokly and this post...
I have 2 herniated discs at l5-s1 and
l4/l5. I had surgery in 2000 on l5-s1.
Recently I am having excruciating pain in
my lower back and left hip whenever I sit
for 5 minutes or more. My doctor seems to
think that I just pulled something, but it
has been 3 weeks since it has started and
it is not getting any better. I was on
bedrest for 3 days while I took
cyclobenzaprine and hydrocodone, and it
did not alleviate the pain. It is most
intense when I go to get up after sitting,
but seems to go away (not totally) when I
walk around or lay flat. I have numbness
in my left calf and on the left side of my
foot from prior epidural steroid
injections. I am so frustrated at this
point, I do not know what to do....Please
help....
may I ask aniokly what kind of surgery
did you have? I had a similar experience
5 years after my first micro-d. My pain
always seemed to start on the left side
but when it got so bad before my first
lumbar fusion it was on both sides. My
first fusion was anterior with bak cages.
Just last year may 3, 2005 I had posterior
fusion to add l3 and rods and screws from
l3-s1. The reason I had the rods put in
was because of micro-movement which pretty
much caused numbness and other nerve
issues from the waist down. Please give
me a little time to get myself together
after today's posting here to give you a
proper reply. If you want please pm me.
Again I am so sorry about the other
posting mess on your thread. :cry:
imshirl :wink:
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fomentbag
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 59
Looks Like the Nerver Is Damaged In the Sugery Posted: 05-03-06 00:38am
Only guess. That is commen riskof spinal
sugery.
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fomentbag
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 59
Posted: 05-03-06 00:55am
tamadrummer
wrote:
the best thing you could do
for your website and business in general
is to stop trying to use a foment bag for
anything but maybe a skin cleanser.
It is not medically possible nor
feasible to use that plaster or bag for
back pain that is actually tied to the
spine/nerves.
You might want to do some reasearch
regarding the spine and all of the
surrounding anatomy so you too will see
the truth.
Also, you should try to have a friend that
uses the english language as a their
primary language and than whatever
language you speak as a second language.
The reason I say this is because
your grammar is not very good.
It will not be good for your business nor
any other business endeavor you try to
embark on.
Good luck,
brian
p.S. Shirl, I will join your
site soon. I promise.
There are some really great people from
this site that are there as well and I
would like to be a part of that family
too.
:>)
thank you for you adversie. Thank
you very much.
No. 1 foment bag can cure a lot
disease. That is proved.
And the name is given by china fda I do
not have the right to change myself.
The true is this product cure a lot
thing more like frature union .....
It stop inflamation. Which
means most disease cause inflammation.
It can stop. And it do cure
choric pain. Even this pain last 20
years already it can cure it within one
month. That is the fact.
And proved by hunderds clinic trails.
In fact what I do is tring to add some
more disease to this product. That is
the suggestion from some famous doctors
and expercts. They all get proved.
But it is hard to specific. There
are about 30 different herb inside the
bag. Each one have its own job.
It is a very powerful product. Like
back pain. There are too many kind
back pain. This product cure most of
them. This product do not cure back
pain caused by organic problem. For
the rest it is easy and I can not explain
one by one. Most time even the doctor
can not what's the real reason of your
back pain. It need a very good doctor
to find the real reason. Anyway this
job will left to the doctor. Our
saleman always explain this to the doctor.
It is hard for people in the west to
believe. You don't have anything
like this before. I will try to
make it easy to believe. It need
time. When the pharmacy sell more
this product. People will know
it. When this product sell in
pharmacy the fact is when one people buy
one bag he will come back to buy more and
will bring some frind to buy.
When I start the website I start with try
and buy. Which is I free post
free sample to anyone. Because I
know when they use one they will know how
good it is. But after two weeks
no one want to try. They don't
belive someone will post free thing.
They think it is cheating. So
the only thing I can do now is waiting the
pharmacy expand this product. It
will change a lot people's mind.
I will change the product's price very
soon. It is too cheap now.
It cost too much money to explain to
people.
No. 2 it is realy hard for me to
find english language as a their primary
language person. Still no luck. There
are two phd in medical area(one have
doctor liscence in us, one in uk) is tring
to do the translate. They just
start look at it from two days ago.
It need one more week. Hope they
can do something good.
Thank you for your suggestion again.
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fomentbag
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 59
I Will Try to Explain Why This Product Can Cure Spur. Posted: 05-03-06 01:33am
My english is vey bad. So it will be
very hard to understand. And I only
can try to explain a little.
No1 the spur do not hurt people. The
reason you get spur mainly because two
reason. One is bone degenaration.
Because that the spine or bone become not
steady. So the body will make some
spur to make the bone or spine steady.
So most time bone spur is a good thing.
No.2 bad life habit. The food you eat
and you life style produce some bad thing.
It will cause spur. This is bad.
Because it is uneccesery spur.
Why this product can cure spur.
This product can stop inflammation so it
will stop pain in 15 minutes.
It take about 7 days to cure. Because
it will stop inflammation、alleviating
pain. Promote circulation, strengthen
spine and bone.
Promote circulation the spur will not grow
again. And it will clear the root.
So the spur will not pinch the nervers
again. Because it can strengthen spine
and bone so you don't need spur to make
the spine because steady.
Acutully this product can simulate the
bone to grow.
It is a very easy thing for this product
to cure spur. Piece of cake. 100%
a little explain welcome comment.
A good doctor can find out why you have
spur. Find the real reason. That is very
importan. Any disease if you want to cure
you better find reason why you have it.
Like back pain. Most doctor can not find
what's the reason. They only tell you
there are a lot kind of reason can cause
back pain. And there are a lot kind of
back pain as well. If you ask what's the
reason for you to have back pain. And
what kind back pain you are having. They
don't have an idea. Most doctor do not
have the ability to answer this
question.
And to find out where is the spur and how
is the spur looks like it is just too
easy. Even machine can do it. It is
necessary but it is not enough at all.
This is just basic thing.
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fomentbag
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 59
Sugery Do Not Cure Spur. Posted: 05-03-06 01:52am
There is spur and some doctor then think
about cut is off. It is realy not good.
But it is easy for people to understand.
Ha ha.
It is bucher's job. Even a baby will
think this way. What can I say.
You cut the spur today it will grow agin
tommorw. When is the end.
Medical is some kind of art. It need
more knowledge and skill than that. Not
that simple.
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Tamadrummer
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Zephyrhills,Fl
Posted: 05-03-06 05:21am
You have failed to give one shred of
scientific edvidence. Just because you
and some voodoo doctors in china say it
works because it works doesnt make the
argument hold water.
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fomentbag
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 59
What Scientific Edvidence You Need Posted: 05-03-06 05:57am
Herb, acpuncture and all these china
medical is not recognise by west.
You only see the fact you dont't see the
scientific in english. You have to
read it in chinese. This is no need
to recognise. Chinese doctor will not
explain or teach.
You can see the link I post.
Even reconnect spinal core can not
recognise by west as scientific. What
esle you want to believe. It is
simple, ask any english doctor reconnect
spinal for me. Even you chop their
head none of they can do it. And for
china, we will not explain or show you how
can we do it. Because you will not
understand it or believe it it is just
waste time. The only thing you can
see is the result and the fact.
Here is some copy you can have a look.
Actully a lot tv like bbc abc broadcast
this. It is a 45 minutes tv program.
Unproven chinese treatment lures people
with als
write by carroll, linda
american patients with amyotrophic lateral
sclerosis (als) have been making a
pilgrimage to china looking for a
cure-often against the advice of their
doctors.
For the past three years, they have flown
there for a controversial therapy from
huang hongyun, m.D., a beijing surgeon,
despite the fact that there are no
clinical trials - or any other proven
evidence - that his treatments work.
But the patients still stream in.
Sound funny. Ha ha
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Tamadrummer
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Zephyrhills,Fl
Posted: 05-03-06 06:07am
You sound like a used car sales man.
If chinese herb doctors are reconnecting
spinal cords, someone in the west would
have been there and brought that
technology back to the u.S.
Not only is this not happening anywhere in
the world, the doctors in china that are
taking money from people and claiming that
they have repaired their damaged spinal
cord, they are lying and telling them they
are fixed when in fact, the person could
not have had an injured cord or they would
still have one.
Once again, just because you or anyone
else says, "it works because I or they say
so" and "they wont teach anyone in the
west" and "you no believe but it work"
i throw a giant bull crap flag and say,
this is a bunch of whooey.
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fomentbag
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 59
Posted: 05-03-06 06:11am
tamadrummer
wrote:
you sound like a used car
sales man.
If chinese herb doctors are reconnecting
spinal cords, someone in the west would
have been there and brought that
technology back to the u.S.
Not only is this not happening anywhere in
the world, the doctors in china that are
taking money from people and claiming that
they have repaired their damaged spinal
cord, they are lying and telling them they
are fixed when in fact, the person could
not have had an injured cord or they would
still have one.
Once again, just because you or anyone
else says, "it works because I or they say
so" and "they wont teach anyone in the
west" and "you no believe but it work"
i throw a giant bull crap flag and say,
this is a bunch of
whooey.
if you don't look at the fact what can I
say.
I suggest you do some search even there
are not many report on this. You still
can find something. Even a lot years past
this is not recognise by west
it is not because we don't teach. It
was because it need knowlege. And
hard working. Even in china it is hard
to find someone who can learn. The west
can not read chinese medical book how can
they teach you. And che chinese medical
knowlege is not considered as science by
west. So no one in the west like to
learn. How they teach.
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Tamadrummer
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Zephyrhills,Fl
Posted: 05-03-06 06:25am
What fact. You have not provided a single
fact. It is all supposition, I have not
seen a single person on the face of the
earth that actually has:
1. A severed spine
2. A neurosurgery (either in china or in
any other country) where the doctor
reconnects the entire conduit of nerves
and repairs the sheath of the spinal cord
and all with the aid of some salt and
pepper and a bit of bay leaf and rosemary
to make it all better because it is now
"natural"
3 said person goes into surgery with a
spinal cord injury, is either a
parapalegic or a quad and when they come
out they can walk or both walk and drive
and they regain their bladder control and
go about life like they never had an
injury.
You have to actually have facts to say
they are facts. The definition of a fact
is: in science 'fact' is an objective and
verifiable observation.
You do not have a verifiable observation.
Not one! Also herbs are not going to fix
the spine or any other part of the human
anatomy either, let the chinese doctors
say what they want to, they have to have
verifiable proof before it becomes a fact.
You need to get a chinese dictionary and
look up the word fact and really study
what that means. Supposition is not a
fact, it is purly an individual thought
that is not factually backed.
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fomentbag
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 59
Posted: 05-03-06 06:28am
tamadrummer
wrote:
what fact. You have not
provided a single fact. It is all
supposition, I have not seen a single
person on the face of the earth that
actually has:
1. A severed spine
2. A neurosurgery (either in china or
in any other country) where the doctor
reconnects the entire conduit of nerves
and repairs the sheath of the spinal cord
and all with the aid of some salt and
pepper and a bit of bay leaf and rosemary
to make it all better because it is now
"natural"
3 said person goes into surgery with a
spinal cord injury, is either a
parapalegic or a quad and when they come
out they can walk or both walk and drive
and they regain their bladder control and
go about life like they never had an
injury.
You have to actually have facts to say
they are facts. The definition of a
fact is: in science 'fact' is an objective
and verifiable observation.
You do not have a verifiable observation.
Not one! Also herbs are not going
to fix the spine or any other part of the
human anatomy either, let the chinese
doctors say what they want to, they have
to have verifiable proof before it becomes
a fact.
You need to get a chinese dictionary and
look up the word fact and really study
what that means. Supposition is not a
fact, it is purly an individual thought
that is not factually
backed.
this doctor get paid $500. A month. He
works 7 days a week.
I can read chinese but there are a lot
chinese book I can not understand. Even
I can read all the word. English is
same. You can read it doesn't means you
can understand. I need a lot more.
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unproven chinese als treatment lures
american patients
by linda carroll
much to the consternation of their
physicians, american patients with
amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (als) have
been making a pilgrimage to china looking
for a cure.
For the past three years, patients have
flown to china and paid large sums for a
controversial therapy from beijing
surgeon, huang hongyun, md. The therapy,
in which cells from the olfactory lobes of
aborted foetuses – olfactory ensheathing
cells (oecs) – are injected into the
brains of als patients, has no clinical
trials or any other solid evidence to
prove it works. But still the patients
stream in.
American experts see the treatments as an
uncontrolled human experiment. They
worry that a vulnerable population is
being exploited and that sick patients
will waste both money and time that they
could be spending with loved ones.
“the question is: if you’re in the
late stage of als and are contemplating
spending six or eight weeks in beijing at
$30,000 to $40,000 – is that the most
appropriate use of resources and time in
the late stage of this terrible illness,
particularly when there isn’t one shred
of data to show it works?” said dr
robert brown, professor of neurology at
the harvard medical school and director of
the day neuromuscular research laboratory
at the massachusetts general hospital,
both in boston.
Some supporters in us
despite the lack of clinical trials to
support his treatments, Dr. Huang is not
without his supporters – even in the us.
In an article describing Dr. Huang’s
treatment of als and spinal cord injuries
with oecs, the lancet quoted dr paul
cooper who runs the spinal neurosurgery
program at new york university medical
centre: “huang isn’t a charlatan.
What he is doing is very impressive. I
don’t understand it, but i’ve seen the
results. He’s not raising people from
the dead, but people who have had no
movement in their legs could move them,
and people who couldn’t sit up sat up,
people who couldn’t hold a cup held a
cup.”
originally, the chinese surgeon was using
the oecs to treat spinal cord injury.
Scientists agree that there is, at least,
some animal data that suggests that the
oecs might help axons regrow in this
setting. But, experts say, when it comes
to als it’s hard to come up with a
logical justification for the treatment.
“on a theoretical basis, it doesn’t
make a lot of sense,” said dr leo
mccluskey, assistant professor of
neurology at the university of
pennsylvania in philadelphia. “one
problem is that he is injecting these
cells into the brains of patients with
disorders that we all think have different
mechanisms. The primary pathology in als
is not transacted neurons as it is with a
spinal cord injury. While there might be
pathology in the axons, the primary
pathology in als is in the cell
bodies”.
Where is the logic for als?
Dr jeffrey macklis, associate professor of
neurosurgery, neurology, and neuroscience
at harvard medical school center for
nervous system repair, and neuroscience
program head, harvard stem cell institute,
also doesn’t see the logic in using oecs
to treat als. “i don’t doubt at all
Dr. Huang’s dedication and his good
intentions to help patients,” said Dr.
Macklis, “but from my questioning of Dr.
Huang, I concluded that he explicitly
had no scientific rationale for this work.
It may be reasonable, when it comes to
spinal cord injury, to think that oecs
might help remyelinate damaged axons,
though even that is not fully proven”.
“but, when I asked Dr. Huang, in a
polite way, what he even hopes these cells
might do in patients with als, he
couldn’t give an answer,” Dr.
Macklis added. “his rationale was
simply that the cells might somehow help
– that he is working with spinal cord
injury patients, and has been
transplanting these cells, and als is a
fatal disease, and he couldn’t simply
stand by and not try to do something.
The problem is, there are no scientific or
animal experiments that would support
doing this kind of experiment in
people.”
dr. Hongyun insists that his therapy
works. He told the lancet in january
that he has seen improvements in about 500
patients he has treated for either spinal
cord injury or als. But american
physicians who have spoken with him and
watched videos of his patients say they
aren’t convinced.
Presentations in the us
“we invited Dr. Huang to our lab to
speak,” harvard’s Dr. Brown said.
“we didn’t see any evidence of benefit
and he was presenting his best cases.”
dr. Macklis didn’t see any either.
“he said these were his best cases,”
Dr. Macklis said. “we didn’t see
any of his worst cases. And it turns
out, in other human experiments with
transplantation into the brain from the
late 1980’s and more recently, there
have been bad outcomes – even some
deaths. Dr. Huang did not give details
on this point.”
dr. Mccluskey, too, isn’t convinced.
He has had the opportunity to evaluate Dr.
Huang’s results first hand; two of Dr.
Mccluskey’s patients went to china for
the therapy.
“in both circumstances, after the
procedure was done, we were told – by
phone contact or from conversations with
people who spoke to them – that they
were better,” Dr. Mccluskey said.
“we examined them within a month of the
procedures. When we compared their pre-
to post-surgical status, we found they
were both worse. That’s not because of
the surgery, but because their als had
progressed.”
anecdotes from patients
both the muscular dystrophy association
and the als association have reported
anecdotally that patients are going to
china for these treatments. “a few
people have shared their experiences when
they come back,” said mary lyon, rn,
vice president of patient services at the
als association. “they said they were
well treated, and they felt some
improvement in function within days or a
short period of time after the surgery.
But, for the most part, people haven’t
kept in touch to let us know if that
improvement was sustained.”
american experts don’t discount patient
accounts of improvement. But they
suspect that there could be another
explanation.
“patients go there and spend a month,”
Dr. Mccluskey said. “there is no
preceding data to compare the results to.
So he is making claims based on limited
observations. During their stay, the
patients are not just getting the
procedure, they are also getting fairly
intensive physical therapy and chinese
medical techniques, such as acupuncture.
The changes for a major placebo effect are
substantial.”
“there are a lot of red flags with this
man,” Dr. Mccluskey said. “for
example, he makes the statement that
everyone stabilizes and gets better. I
can say, in the two circumstances i’m
familiar with, that that is not the case.
He also says that no one gets hurt.
That doesn’t make sense. We put
needles in people’s brains all the time.
In some cases we hurt people. It’s a
complication of surgery.”
beyond this, Dr. Macklis said, patients
report improvement that occurs far too
quickly for it to be easily connected with
the oec transplants.
“dr. Huang found improvement within
two to three days,” Dr. Macklis said.
“what could the mechanism of that be?
Cells don’t grow in two to three days.
They can’t reconnect in two to three
days. While it is possible that some
non-specific growth factor effect is at
work, the lack of dependence on the site
of oec injection makes that also seem
unlikely.”
no safeguards for patients
als specialists were also concerned about
the lack of protections for patients.
“where are the safeguards here?” Dr.
Mccluskey said, “i could never get this
by an institutional review board at the
university of pennsylvania.” the
decision to try the therapy out on humans
without any animal experiments
particularly concerned me, Dr. Macklis
said.” it raises great concern when an
experiment is done on humans rather than
lab animals and when those humans are
asked to pay tens of thousands of dollars
for participating”.
All experts interviewed by neurology today
said they would like to see controlled
clinical trials from the chinese
researchers. But this is unlikely. Dr.
Huang told the lancet that he would
consider such a trial to be unethical.
“even if the whole world refuses to
believe me, I would not do a control
test,” he said. “these patients are
already suffering. If we open them up
just for a placebo test, it will only do
them harm. We would be doing it for
ourselves, not for the patient.”
so, hoping to make the best of the current
situation, american physicians are trying
to convince their colleagues to gather up
data on treated patients once they return
to the us.
“we’ve been trying to get als medical
directors to pool anecdotal
information,” Dr. Mccluskey said.
“if we could do that, we could get a
better idea of what is happening, by
looking at the pre- and post-surgical
data.”
more testing urged
dr. Brown says he’s willing to keep an
open mind. He’d just like to see the
treatment tested. “no matter how out
of the envelope a therapy appears to be,
we should be pursuing it if it appears to
be beneficial”. But, Dr. Brown
added, before bumping aside other research
on als for studies on the efficacy of
oecs, there would need to be a rationale
for why the treatment might work, or some
credible evidence that patients have
improved.
Both the muscular dystrophy association
and als association offer up-to-date
information on the Dr. Huang’s
treatments –as well as others that are
being offered to als patients.
“our response is to gather up as much
information so patients can make informed
and thoughtful decisions,” ms. Lyon
said. “we talk to patients and their
families about the pros and cons of any
potential treatment. We talk about
issues of finance and travel and possible
harm. We also mention that people with
this and other serious diseases are often
vulnerable.”
the als association doesn’t offer advice
one way or another when it comes to
treatment with oecs. But, said ms.
Lyon, “our position, if someone asks if
we are recommending this procedure, is no.
But I think it’s important to make the
distinction that we are not advising
people as to what they should do.”
dr. Brown is more pointed with his
patients. “i tell my patients that any
therapy that looks promising and safe is
probably worth considering, particularly
when we haven’t found any answers
yet,” he said. “the question is:
does the cost and risk to safety justify a
trial like this? I don’t think so,
especially since I haven’t seen any data
showing it is beneficial.”
and ultimately, even if patients are not
hurt physically by the procedure, that
doesn’t mean no harm is done, Dr.
Macklis said. When it comes to als, “a
patient needs to carefully think about
maximizing his or her quality of life
during the progression of this illness,”
he added. “and that might include
maximizing time with one’s family and
completing professional and personal
goals.”
going to beijing for treatment could
potentially bring no benefit, but would
result in a huge expenditure and a loss of
precious time with family members, dr
macklis concluded.
Post script:
just before headlines went to print, the
rotorua post reported:
willie's improvement slow after returning
to nz
since returning to rotorua after
controversial transplant surgery in china,
willie terpstra has made little
improvement. The 64-year-old had
revolutionary foetal-stem cell surgery in
a beijing hospital in march for motor
neurone disease
she opted for the surgery in a bid to slow
the disease which had reduced her ability
to eat and talk. Within hours of having
the surgery she was drinking and within
days talking, eating and breathing better.
However, since mrs terpstra and her
husband rein returned to rotorua on april
1, there has been little improvement,
apart from mrs terpstra being able to eat
more and drink freely.
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fomentbag
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 59
I Don't Expect to Sale Anything Here. Just Talk Posted: 05-03-06 06:30am
That is a person sentence to vegterain.
And now she is back to normal.
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Tamadrummer
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Zephyrhills,Fl
Posted: 05-03-06 11:59am
Maybe you don't read english very well or
you have a low comprehension when reading
but that long article that you posted is
not a very good tool to support your
foment bag/plaster.
In fact it is not very good in supporting
much of the stance of the chinese medical
system and in fact one of the doctors
patients have gotten worse post surgery.
Your actually making an excellent argument
for those of us to avoid chinese medicine
all together and definatly to avoid foment
stuff.
As I said before, good luck with your
business,
brian
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fomentbag
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 59
Posted: 05-03-06 13:02pm
tamadrummer
wrote:
maybe you don't read english
very well or you have a low comprehension
when reading but that long article that
you posted is not a very good tool to
support your foment bag/plaster.
In fact it is not very good in supporting
much of the stance of the chinese medical
system and in fact one of the doctors
patients have gotten worse post surgery.
Your actually making an excellent argument
for those of us to avoid chinese medicine
all together and definatly to avoid foment
stuff.
As I said before, good luck with your
business,
brian
i do understand and that is what I want
you to know. The east understand west.
But the west never can understand.
Because you don't want to. Everyone
think the east is somewhere far behind
civilization. Actully we have 5000 years
history. The only one in the world.
There are a lot reason we can live that
long. And good medical system is one of
them.
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sandyallen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Posted: 05-03-06 13:45pm
If you have the money or the back-up and
someone will guarantee you of at least 50%
less pain and problems, I could see it but
otherwise I would have to agree with
.Brian, I really do not see it. For now
I would be happy with a pain pump, just to
be able to make it through with my daily
routine with less pain and to have someone
to help with the bill. I am not here to
buy a car, I have one which I am unable to
drive.
The best in your business, if you ever
think about doing a trial on your product,
maybe you might look me up.
The best to you again!
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fomentbag
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 59
Posted: 05-03-06 14:28pm
sandyallen
wrote:
if you have the money or the
back-up and someone will guarantee you of
at least 50% less pain and problems, I
could see it but otherwise I would have to
agree with .Brian, I really do not see it.
For now I would be happy with a pain
pump, just to be able to make it through
with my daily routine with less pain and
to have someone to help with the bill.
I am not here to buy a car, I have one
which I am unable to drive.
The best in your business, if you ever
think about doing a trial on your product,
maybe you might look me up.
The best to you
again!
anyone in this forum I will send free
sample free post free give away as I said
before. If you think I am cheating for
adress I got nothing to say. I don't
know what I hold people's adress for. You
don't need credit card you don't need pay
one penny. You only need tell me what's
your problem and your adress. If you
don't want show your adress here you can
write in my website or email me. I did
try and buy before. But no one even want
to do a free try.
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fomentbag
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 59
Posted: 05-03-06 23:30pm
fomentbag
wrote:
tamadrummer
wrote:
maybe you don't read english
very well or you have a low comprehension
when reading but that long article that
you posted is not a very good tool to
support your foment bag/plaster.
In fact it is not very good in supporting
much of the stance of the chinese medical
system and in fact one of the doctors
patients have gotten worse post surgery.
Your actually making an excellent argument
for those of us to avoid chinese medicine
all together and definatly to avoid foment
stuff.
As I said before, good luck with your
business,
brian
i do understand and that is what I want
you to know.
Acpuncture people say it is cheating
herb people say it is cheating
reconnect spine people say it is cheating
if people who couldn’t sit up sat up,
people who couldn’t hold a cup held a
cup. They will say it is cheating.
It is pure business. That is what I want
to explain here.
Before the west doctor can do it. Before
they can make money from it. They will
not say it is good.
My product have one side effect. It might
burn skin. It is rare but it happens.
That is all.
No one will believe my product will work.
That is what I want you to know.
I am not expect to sale anything here.
Just talk.
And for one of the doctors patients have
gotten worse post surgery. Suppose it is
true. You just think about. Does
everyone get better after sugery in the
west?
The east understand west. But the
west never can understand. Because you
don't want to. Everyone think the east
is somewhere far behind civilization.
Actully we have 5000 years history.
The only one in the world. There are a
lot reason we can live that long. And
good medical system is one of
them.
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fomentbag
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 59
Posted: 05-04-06 04:35am
Indications:
back pain, knee pain, neck pain, shoulder
pain, ankle pain, lumbago,arthritis,
rheumatism, joint pain, sciatica, slipped
disk, hyperosteogeny, whiplash, sprain and
strain, muscle strain, soft tissue injury,
sports injury, injury of ligament.
Back pain:
foment bag resolve back pain which caused
by spur,slipped disk, sciatica, strained
back muscles and ligaments, accumulation
of stress herniated disk, spinal
stenosis, spondylosis, degeneration,
injuries (damage to the bones, ligaments,
or muscles) infections and tumors,
acquired conditions and diseases(medical
problems such as: some forms of
arthritis,pregnancy, infections).
Foment bag can help a litte for back pain
caused by spondylolisthesis, scoliosis,
endometriosis.
Foment bag is not effective for back pain
caused by hungry, organ(eg kidney), ra,
ankylosing spondylitis, kidney stones,
cancer in the spine, the spine moves.
Arthritis:
foment bag relieve pain caused by
arthritis.
Foment bag is not useful for rheumatoid
arthritis, gout.
Knee pain and neck pain:
foment bag resolve most knee and neck
problem.
General iformation:
foment bag generally stop pain in one
hour.
If you can feel obvious result after one
plaster foment bag that means it can cure
the problem you have totally. Otherwise
you need try to find yourself other
treatment.Foment bag effects a radical
cure from the simplest issues to very
serious conditions. Stop
inflammation、alleviating pain. Promote
circulation、end stasis. Eliminate
bruises、strengthen spine and bone! As
the plaster warm up, the pores in your
skin open allowing the herbs to be
permeated and the accumulated wastes to be
drawn out through the skin under osmotic
pressure from the blood and lymphatic
systems. Foment bag can help boost the
immune system.
Directions:
foment bag is air-activated .Open outer
bag. Starts to warm on its own
immediately. Peel away paper to reveal
adhesive side. Place foment bag on pain
area apply with remedy side direct to the
skin. Attach firmly for maximum
effectiveness. One plaster lasts about 26
hours.
Ingredients:
scraps of iron activated carbon,
vermiculite, salt, supplementary stuff,
herbs(dongquai, eucalyptol, ginseng,
camphor, carthamidin, eucalyptol,
notopterol, glycyrrhizae, curcumin).
Warnings:
in some cases, skin is particularly
sensitive. If irritation or other unusual
signs develop, remove plaster
immediately.
As with any heat product foment bag has
the potential to cause skin irritation or
burns.Stop using if there is burn
occurring.
Do not use on any area where medication
has recently been applied.
Prohibit use for open trauma and fresh
hematoma.
Prohibit use for patients who are allergic
to this product.
Patients in pregnancy and lactation use
with caution.
Do not use on areas of bruising or
swelling that have occurred within 24
hours.
For external use only, not edible. Do not
microwave.
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disabledcoastie
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 13 Dec 2005 Posts: 68 Location: West Virginia
Posted: 05-06-06 19:33pm
:roll: I can't keep up anymore, this guy
can hardly speak english and really can't
type it. I never found his site, the
site he wanted me to go to had nothing to
do with what he was talking about. Just
so confusing and so sad.
