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Meandering Away
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Difference
Posted: 04-21-06 07:13am
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What is the difference between a man who
does not want a child and a woman who
does not want a child.
The woman is exercising choice whereas the
man is a deadbeat dad.
This is why I say pro choice is not really
pro choice it is pro womans choice because
apart from paying for that child for the
next 18 years men have no choice, I posted
as much in the debate forum but was told
that one member of pro choice was going to
ignore the main part of the post the rest
have just basically ignored it.
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diamond splinter
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Posted: 04-21-06 07:48am
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If a woman cannot be forced to be a mother
then a man should not be able to be forced
to be a father
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nightangel73
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Posted: 04-21-06 21:52pm
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I think men should be expected to pay
because both the man and woman are equally
responsible for their actions. However I
am totally against the sabotage of the man
means in the sense that if a man makes a
lot of money he should only pay what it's
needed to take care of the child and not
extra. Many women sabotage men in asking
more money than what they need for the
child support (so they can enjoy his money
too) and that is totally abusive. Men
should not be paying alimony neither.
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diamond splinter
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Posted: 04-22-06 03:21am
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| nightangel73
wrote: | | i think men should be
expected to pay because both the man and
woman are equally responsible for their
actions. However I am totally against
the sabotage of the man means in the sense
that if a man makes a lot of money he
should only pay what it's needed to take
care of the child and not extra. Many
women sabotage men in asking more money
than what they need for the child support
(so they can enjoy his money too) and that
is totally abusive. Men should not be
paying alimony
neither. |
why should the man pay ? If the woman
didn't want the baby she would have
aborted so why should the man be forced to
be a father and the woman not forced to be
a mother?
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nightangel73
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Posted: 04-22-06 07:37am
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| diamond splinter
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why should the man pay ?
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the man should pay because the man
consented the sex with the woman. So
unless the man was raped then he should
pay.
| diamond splinter
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if the woman didn't want the baby she
would have aborted so why should the man
be forced to be a father and the woman not
forced to be a
mother? |
because that's what the law says and there
is nothing you can do about it. Same
reason why an unborn baby can't have a
right to life. Unfair laws.
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Meandering Away
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Posted: 04-22-06 12:20pm
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| nightangel
wrote: | | the man should pay because
the man consented the sex with the woman.
So unless the man was raped then he should
pay. |
what if he took precautions and the condom
broke, why should he pay if he does not
want a child, if that child would destroy
his life.?
How come he cannot stop her being a mother
yet she can force him to be a father.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 04-23-06 02:38am
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| cowboys
wrote: | | nightangel
wrote: | | the man should pay because
the man consented the sex with the woman.
So unless the man was raped then he
should pay. |
what if he took precautions and the condom
broke, why should he pay if he does not
want a child, if that child would destroy
his life.?
How come he cannot stop her being a mother
yet she can force him to be a
father. |
it doesn't matter if the condom brakes.
We all now that no contraceptive method is
100% except to abstinence. No man is
actually forced to be a father anyways.
The man is only forced to pay and paying
doesn't make any man a father.
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Nikkkki
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Posted: 06-09-06 02:05am
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Look it - this whole debate really makes
me mad. It takes two to tango everybody
- if a guy decides to have sex with a
woman he knows what can happen. This is
the real world everybody. In the real
world you have to take responsibility for
your actions. That's always how it's
been, whether it's in regards to taking
care of a child or not. It's like saying
if you "accidently" hit a car in a parking
lot you could just drive away and all that
because you didn't "mean" to hit the car.
In the real world you should pay to
repair the car you hit! You have a
driver's license, and by having that
license you agree to accept responsibility
for your actions behind the wheel. Same
goes for having sex with a woman. Might
not be a perfect example but the message
rings through.
Saying that guys shouldn't have to help
support a child that they fathered is like
saying that it's all the woman's fault for
becoming pregnant, the guy had nothing to
do with it. That's just bs! That's
just crazy. It's 50/50 everybody.
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diamond splinter
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Posted: 06-09-06 04:35am
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| nikkkki
wrote: | look it - this whole debate
really makes me mad. It takes two to
tango everybody - if a guy decides to have
sex with a woman he knows what can happen.
This is the real world everybody. In
the real world you have to take
responsibility for your actions. That's
always how it's been, whether it's in
regards to taking care of a child or not.
It's like saying if you "accidently" hit
a car in a parking lot you could just
drive away and all that because you didn't
"mean" to hit the car. In the real
world you should pay to repair the car you
hit! You have a driver's license, and
by having that license you agree to accept
responsibility for your actions behind the
wheel. Same goes for having sex with a
woman. Might not be a perfect example
but the message rings through.
Saying that guys shouldn't have to help
support a child that they fathered is like
saying that it's all the woman's fault for
becoming pregnant, the guy had nothing to
do with it. That's just bs! That's
just crazy. It's 50/50
everybody. |
did you read the whole thread?
The point is that if the father has to pay
when he doesn't want the child then so
must the mother ie: continuing the
pregnancy becaus the father wishes her to
even if she doesn't.
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Nikkkki
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Posted: 06-09-06 10:44am
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I was replying to nightangel73 post, not
anybody else's.
And i'm not exactly understanding your
point here. Aren't I allowed to express
my opinion too? You can, so why can't i?
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trina1
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Nikkki And Diamond Splinter
Posted: 06-09-06 11:05am
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I think you are both right. The father
should be as responsible as the
mother.....After all they were equally
responsible for the creation of this
little human. And if the father has to
take responsiblity for his actions....Then
he should also have a say in the life of
his creation...I.E. Whether that child
should be aborted or not.
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karra
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Posted: 07-29-06 00:21am
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Well if the guy did not want to have a
baby, he know the risk of having sex um
lets see we all almost learned about this
in lets see 5,6,7,8,grade and so on.So if
he did not want to take the risk of having
a baby then he shouldnt have
sex!!!!!!!!!!!!! Same with a female.
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EugeniaBrown
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Posted: 11-02-06 22:32pm
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I think the man shoudl be asked to
pay..... But there may be a situation
that a woman does not want his support.
I know some one who had a child. The
father was in "hding" so to say. But
after 5 years he dicides to pay spport and
now the battle for the child's cutody is
going on.
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