Biani, That used to happen to me all the
time on forums like these Tip:(always copy
your posts when they get too long)
I just realized Biani, your condition
probably isn't even like doherty's. You
said it's really just about your jaw
position right? mines more of cranial
issue..
See with my it's the whole damn thing
that's just off.
Before I post of full frontal...I'll post
a picture of me a little to the side.
Even here you can tell my nose is off
center(leans to the left), one eye is
stretched lower and to the side.
With me the left side of my skull is
literally stretching to the left and to
back(3 dimensionally) more than than the
right, that's what causes my asymmetry. I
mean I might be able to alleviate some
asymmetry with nose/ear surgery but I can
never ever "fix" it. But I never had
physical issues and I kind of like being
different this way so it doesn't me bother
me too much... I just wish I had more
confidence to speak socially.
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Biani
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lol, it has happened to me before, and i
have been copying my posts, but this time
i didn't bother to do it...
And no, my condition isn't like
Doherty's... i've been looking at more
pictures of her, and her problem doesn't
seem to have anything to do with her chin
like someone in a webpage i read
suggested. Her eye is just a lot higher
than the other. I can see that now, i used
to think one of her eyes was smaller, no
wonder why i always thought they looked
the same.
Mine is more like Grendel's problem... i
don't know if any of you watched the movie
Beowulf... haha. Oh it's sad, but i feel
like i look like that. Mmmh... for those
of you who didn't see it, i tried to find
a pic of the monster from that movie, and
i found one but the jaw misalignment isn't
that obvious in the one i found: http://www.allmoviephoto.com/photo/2007
_beowulf_wallpaper_011.html
Opposing, i must say, you look very
normal in that pic. Maybe the tilting head
thing works for you as well? lol.
Seriously, i don't see anything asymmetric
or wrong with your face or skull.
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opposingrhythms
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Posted: 03-24-08 20:34pm
You are so mean to yourself Biani! I'd
trade my issue with yours in a split
second.
Anyway, the photo I posted earlier is one
my better angles I've learned to pose
with... as well as my hair style which is
designed to lessen the assymetry.
I also must say Thankyou for your
compliment Biani, it means a lot to me.
Ok here's a full frontal with all my
vulnerablities for the world to see... :
(. Look away if you have to . I know I do...
But really, I've gotten over the issue...
I used walk around with my head down..
avoiding looking at peoples eyes but now I
walk around so confidently I almost like the
attention..
(note: I watermarked the photo in case
someone does astudy and uses the picture
without my permission etc... I'm so
paranioid...)
I also learned how to pose, so my
asymmetry doesn't show too much, basically
is just avoiding pictures straight front.
To be honest with you, the only thing i
noticed with the naked eye, is that one of
your eyes looks a little smaller, or well,
different, not necessarily small... that
happens to me as well. Sometimes it seems
like one of my eyes is wide awake and the
other half asleep, lol. Like the shape of
the eyelid is different... in my case i
make up for it by curling my lashes more
on the droopy side. So i think it has to
do a lot with the lashes as well... since
it's mostly fixed by this.
I started drawing lines on your face, and
THEN i saw what you mean, about your nose
leaning to the left. I'm guessing that if
i couldn't pin point your asymmetry by
your front picture just by looking at you
(you know, without drawing lines), people
much less can really notice it when in
real life, movement and all.
Maybe that's why i get self conscious
mainly when talking to someone while being
still.
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opposingrhythms
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Posted: 03-25-08 19:47pm
You actaully drew over it...
Oh now I'm really self conscious...
The funny thing, the eye thing is what
bothers me least.. It's my nose, ears,
head shape, and then my eyes.
Ty for taking the time to post your
thoughts, it helps.
And I've been thinking, it's good that
you're actually willing to make fun of
yourself, that's a good sign!
Anyway, you should post your full picture
too, you've got me curious. You can get
and artist's point of view.
You can delete later if it worries you or
you can even pm me.
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kirrabeachbum
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Hey I'll check your guys' photos when I get the chance Posted: 03-29-08 06:20am
I actually ran out of internet (I live in
South Africa right now) so it'll be about
a week and a half before I get more
internet. Right now I'm at an
inconveniently located internet cafe
somewhere in cape town.
Anyhow, the reasons I posted the last two
photos of me and said that no way can they
be the same is that I just can't see how
it does look the same. Pay attention to
my nose in both pictures. In the second
one it looks crooked on that side. Also
on that bad side, the way my hair goes
looks crappy, and so does my jaw/ear.
They just look different even though I'm
fairluy certain the last two are
symmetrical.
Maybe this whole thing about
assymettricality is some sort of OCD? I
woudln't be surprised.
The funny thing is I never ever thought
about my appearance and this assymetry
stuff until I moved into an apartment with
a 3 panel mirror (where the 2 sides comes
out). It's cool to see the sides of your
face but also it's not.
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Biani
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Posted: 04-01-08 18:32pm
opposing: i sent you a pm, ok? check it
please.
Kirra: all i see on your pictures is that
your nose on the second one seems to have
a bump that's more noticeable than on the
first. But i think it has a lot to do that
the pictures aren't taken on the exact
same angle. One seems to be taken from a
lower point in relation to your face. And,
btw, your hair looks fine in both of them,
lol.
Anyway, we'll be waiting till you get
internet again.
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opposingrhythms
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Posted: 04-02-08 04:51am
Oh I got it! I sent you a long email with
my thoughts. In short you're no grendel,
your general beauty and attractiveness
stands out first. I'm more curious about
your ethnicity than any asymmetrical
issues. But at the same time I see what
you're talking about and I gave you my
perspestive on what I see.
Im curious about everyone else, have you
guys taken pictures of very low and high
angles. It's easier to see asymmetry like
that too since it happens 3 dimensionally,
not just from the front.
Kirrabeachbum, I really don't notice
anything major but I think you've
convinced there's something wrong so I'll
try to analyze it another time.
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anenome
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Posted: 04-04-08 09:13am
Is this how the world sees me? Like how I
look in the reflection of a reflection of
a mirror?...
In normal mirrors, I look alright. I look
completely normal. My jaw isn't completely
even, and one cheekbones is smaller then
the other, but that just runs in my
family, and in a normal mirror, it doesn't
look that bad. I look like a normal
person...
But when I look at myself in two mirrors,
like in the medicine cabinet, I see a
completely different person.
My eyes are on two different levels, my
mouth so so crooked I look retarded, and
my entire left side of my face looks
deformed. And my right doesn't look that
much better. I'm not being hard on myself,
in the reflection of the reflection, I
look freakish. Its not that I'm just not
used to seeing myself, its that I look
completely different.
In a normal mirror, my nose looks
straight, but in a double reflection, my
nose is extremely bent over to one side.
My chin looks awful, and arches out to one
side too. But in a normal mirror, it
doesn't look like that at all.
So which is the real me? I don't think I
can live with myself is the real me is the
reflection of the reflection. I look so
much worse then all the other pictures
that have been posted.
But like I said, in a normal mirror I look
alright....
Tho I doubt now thats how I look to
everyone else.
edit: If the real me is the reflection of
a reflection, and I look fine in a normal
mirror, then mirrors are nothing more then
a cruel joke.
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Biani
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Posted: 04-04-08 12:21pm
Hey anenome. I think people see us kind of
like we see ourselves in the mirror. In
the normal mirror i see my asymmetry.
Mostly it's just that my mouth and chin
are to the left, and my mouth is a little
skewed. But on the reflection of the
reflection OMG!!! I look HIDEOUS! and i'm
not exaggerating... Like you, i see that
my nose bends over to the other side, when
in a normal mirror it looks straight
enough, and my mouth and chin look about
twice as far to the left, and my eyes look
like they aren't leveled, added that one
of my brows is always acting up, it's
always a little raised even though i don't
mean to raise it.
I think this is the effect that someone
mentioned earlier in this thread. Everyone
looks weirder in the reflection of the
reflection, supposedly.
Gosh i hope that that is not how people
see me... cause you know, in the
reflection of the reflection you can see
yourself as if you were standing in front
of yourself, so it would technically be
how others see you. I just hope they're
just as used to 'rounding things up' so
they don't see us as crooked as we notice
ourselves to be in the reflection of the
reflection.
Now i'm actually paranoid of letting other
people see my normal reflection in the
mirror. I had someone comment on how
different and ugly i looked in the mirror,
cause i looked very very crooked. But that
in "normal life" i didn't look like that.
:S
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ms bean
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omg Posted: 04-04-08 12:30pm
i felt so bad about the way i look. i
decided to share my photos already...
my first bf broke up with me in bad terms
and he called me ugly which hurts me a lot
because its the truth.
i have a jaw problem that is so obvious my
friend pointed it out. i try to stay
positive and im really afraid of surgery
but sometimes i just wished i was as
pretty as my sisters.
i think my jaw problem has to do with my
bite when i was growing up. i had to
literally beg my mom for braces as she
felt i was just being vain. it came to the
point when i had problems pronouncing
words at 16 during speech class that she
relented for a short while the dentist was
able to fix my bite but my finished bite
post braces makes my face skewed. then i
had an accident at 11 when i fell of a
horse and landed face front with the
impact landing on the chin. i dont think
this is hereditary since i already checked
our family history and i was the only
one!
this is my photo: no touchups my upfront
side when im not smiling. arggghhh can
mirrors go away?!
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ms bean
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Posted: 04-04-08 12:39pm
oh my... i dont think i can stand keeping
this pic in photobucket so il probably
erase it in a week or two.
i also have my good side and bad side
basically as long as i smile.. the face
looks better. but closeup and relaxed it
really looks awful especially since i have
a prominent jaw line.
my jaw still pops from time to time and i
cant move it a lot too. THIS is a really
asymmetrical face=(
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Biani
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Posted: 04-04-08 12:48pm
and cameras too? haha
I can totally relate to your case ms bean.
I don't know just how obvious it is
though...
I'm pretty sure that we wouldn't be able
to tell you have a deviated jaw if you
weren't facing the camera fully from the
front. Hey, at least your lip lne is
leveled... mine is diagonal
And i'm the only one in my family with
this problem as well...
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anenome
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Posted: 04-04-08 13:13pm
I hope you're right, but I have doubts, as
I've seen my crooked nose show up in
pictures before. Tho not all the time. I
wish I had a camera so I could see for
myself.
I remember taking pics of my face before,
a few months ago, and I looked as I did
when I look at a reflection of a
reflection of myself and I looked
disfigured... But when I showed them to
someone and asked if thats how I really
looks, she said no.
And today, I went and asked my grandfather
to look and see if my nose was crooked,
and if my mouth was slanted, and he looks
and then laughed and said no. So I don't
know what to think. I'm thinking about
going to a doctor and trying to get some
straight answers, but if I really look
like I do in double reflections, I don't
even want to leave my house.
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anenome
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Posted: 04-04-08 17:07pm
Okay, I feel a little better. I looked at
some pictures of me with my family from
06, some of the only recent pictures of me
that exist of me where I don't have long
hair, and I have to say I look normal in
them.
The only thing wrong, really, is that I
hold my head at an angle, b/c that was
before I knew I had bad posture due to
genetic and over-working my self doing
manual labor jobs.
Anyway, I look normal. Or at least like I
do in the mirror (just one mirror).
I think (hope to god) that how you see
yourself in double mirrors shows all your
flaws that are normally obscured, and that
close up photos show these too. b/c I'm
going around asking people I know and can
trust fairly well things like "Is my mouth
slanted at all" and I'll get "No, its
actually very straight." and I'll ask
about my nose and get the same.
And showing the pics of me from 06, people
will say that thats how I look in real
life too...
I hope they're right. But still in double
reflections I look sooooo bad, and so very
very different. I hope thats only an
illusion.
What do you guys think?
I still wanna talk to a doctor. Tho in
normal mirrors (and hopefully real-life) I
look completely normal, I look so
unhealthy/crooked in double mirrors it
makes me wonder if I could have some
underlying/hidden bone disease or
something. God I look bad in two mirrors.
But like I said, in normal mirrors and
good pictures, I look pretty damn
handsome.
This is making my head spin. I don't know
what to think.
BTW, to all the people brave enough to
post pics, you guys look attractive. I
hope you're like me, and were so shaken up
my the (horrible lies!) of the double
mirror that you've began to pick
yourselves apart.
Everybody who's pics I've seen have good
chins/cheekbones. ms bean & Biani have
slighly crooked mouth, but they're not too
bad. Like mine, they're probably from a
twisted spine and an unsymmetrical jaw.
The jaw can be fixed, but neither of your
mouths look that bad. Like I said, close
up pics and bad angles really show off
your imperfections that would normally go
unnoticed.
opposingrhythms doesn't look bad. I know,
like me, there's probably not anything
someone can say to make you feel better or
look at yourself differently, but your
nose isn't that bad at all. Totally not
ugly. You have some great cheekbones.
I think the goddamned double mirror thing
was so traumatic on us that its completely
skewed our self-image.
edit: BTW, this might make you feel better
(might not).
Look at pictures of Kurt Cobain. He had a
twisted spine and in some pictures, he
looks reeeally bad. And in others, he
looks like a completely different person.
Once he got famous, and for a while had a
good self-image and held himself with some
confidence, he was regarded as a hunk and
a teen idol.
But looking at home footage, and home
photos of him before he was famous from
the 80s, he looked like a completely
different person.
In this day and age, movie stars and
models and crammed down our throats and
make us feel like hideous monsters, which
is wrong b/c no one looks like movie stars
do. Not even them. (BTW I've heard someone
say that Edward Norton has a crooked
mouth. I haven't noticed it, but I know he
has back trouble b/c he has pretty bad
posture in the movie Fight Club)
Anyway for instance, look at these pics of
eminem from his childhood:
I'm as, if not more shaken about all the
people who see my pictures. I still may
take them down, but I've learned to use
it, and whenever I think about people who
may notice my asymmetry, I smile ( i can't
control it at this point, I love it), I
even tilt my head a little higher for all
to see. Maybe it's my flamboyant side, I
don't know, but the ability to draw
attention is not a bad one if you can
channel self confidence/joy to people.
Although I'm not always like that(good
days/bad days come), I try...
Ms. Bean, As for you, I wish I could see a
full frontal, that would be more
informative. Your pose isn't perfectly
straight either...anyway
At the very first look, I see nothing that
stands out, nothing that would make me
stop and watch, or get me curious.
After a close look I notice "something" is
off. I then notice something is skewed,
and I see the jaw on the left is more
prominent ( it took me a few good looks to
get it right). I wasn't thinking that
immediately(" wow her jaw is off"), it
took me quite a few looks, or rather 10
seconds of steadily looking at your photo
to pinpoint it. After like 20 looks, I
also noticed your chin-line is off a bit
too (not 100%).
But I see nothing that would make me
uncomfortable or draw me away from you.
You would be no less attractive then any
girl I find attractive because of that
minor asymmetry.
You look as normal as anyone here, besides
myself, who is the least normal.
The mirror thing, I think someone way
early in this topic already nailed the
thinking of other people when it comes to
this. Basically the 2 mirror reflection
isn't what everyone sees, it's our mind
reacting to what it's used to seeing.
(given the idea that our mind forces
symmetry on what it sees)
For example, trying free hand drawing
faces, or drawing something that looks
symmetrical on paper, reflect it against a
mirror and you'll see the asymmetry much
more clearer, but to you, it looks fairly
symmetrical. At the same time though, I
think we still have to calculate that we
see ourselves everyday and get used to
that image that others still haven't. But
I'm positive it's not as bad as the mirror
reflection image we see. Also remember
that mirrors are a 2-D surface reflecting
3-D surfaces, it's not 100% like how we
see people either.
Ms. Bean, once again, you look just fine.
It makes me sad to think that you would
let your jaw thing hold your personality
back when I see that it's nothing to
obsess about.
Anenome, your asym can't be as bad as
mine (you're more than welcome to pm me
with a photo and get my opinion btw)...
You jaw people are lucky from my point of
view. *sigh
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opposingrhythms
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Posted: 04-05-08 05:29am
This is my analysis of KiraBeachBum
Basically, you're as normal as everyhuman
being in the world.
What've done is mapped out basic landmarks
in your face. The light red was done
first, in one side of your face, I then
duplicated that and flipped it on
photoshop and turned it opaque light blue.
So the light blue is EXACTLY what the
light red is, except flipped. The dark red
is what I believe are the differences in
your face. (I used your eyes as
symmetrical landmarks for everything btw).
Basically where dark red and light blue
don't match up is possible asymmetry.
I see extremely minor issues with your
nose, lips, jaw and ear. There's also some
asymmetry with your head. You 'll note the
negative space near the top of your head
isn't symmetrical on both sides. This
could hair issues, pose, or just good ol'
asymmetry.
I couldn't find a defintive midline below
your nostrils to your chin, it seemed to
diaviate slightly to the left( we're
talking a fractionally). I also suspect
minor asymmetry with the apex of your
cheekbones. Your ears are off a bit( could
be that your pose wasn't perfectly
straight though).
Your eyes seem unusally perfect and
symmetrical. Note that the lines
connecting the corner of your mouth and
the inner corner of your eyes aren't
symmtrical on both sides, I suspect this
is because your lips are off slightly. The
right side of your lips seems just a
little lower than the left (we're talking
millimeters).
And your nose, generally it's symmetrical
but in close inspection I see issues with
your nostrils and the tip of your nose.
The dark red and light blue lines should
explain what I mean.
OK kira, that's me being as critical as I
can with your face. In fact that was
practically the only way I could see
asymmetry in your face. Your face is
really really symmetrical! I wouldn't
worry about anyone else noticing, ever!
*Sigh*So jealous...
For comparison check out what I did with
myself,
note easily seen asymmetry with my eyes,
nose and cheekbones. My right side ( in
the photo) appears over an inch longer
then my left. It's not a pose issue
either, it's the way my skull is shaped
due to that whole sleep thing I mentioned,
It literally flattens out on the left
side, and pinches/leans on the right. it
affects my nose and you can see where it
leans.
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anenome
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Posted: 04-05-08 08:20am
So what's correct normal mirrors, or two
mirrors?
Because I look like a normal person in one
mirror, but in two at angles, I look like
a deformed freak (serious).
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opposingrhythms
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Posted: 04-05-08 14:01pm
Well, in those terms I would say 1 mirror.
But you should be able to spot the same
asymmetry on both if you look hard enough.
Or if you look at the reflected 2nd mirror
for hours it will eventually seem normal.
It's the juxtapostion of both images when
your mind sees the asymmetry very clearly.
The reason you don't see the asymmetry on
the 1st mirror is because that's image
your mind see's first and is used to
seeing ( the mind makes it seem more
symmetrical) Anyone else who sees your
reflection will see the asymmetry because
they'll see a flipped version of what they
normally see(they can compare both you and
the reflection), I suspect if they were to
see your reflection on the second mirror
they would see you as normal while you saw
yourself as abnormal.
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ms bean
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Posted: 04-06-08 10:17am
kira beach bum. hehe you look totally
normal!
i wish i could pose for another picture of
myself but my vanity wont let me keep bad
photos of myself anymore.
thanks to biani and opposingrythms for
their honest evaluation. lets just try and
stay positive who knows a
few years down the road they wouldve
invented a new technology to make our
imperfections seem more symmetrical.