Biani, That used to happen to me all the time on forums like these Tip:(always copy your posts when they get too long)

I just realized Biani, your condition probably isn't even like doherty's. You said it's really just about your jaw position right? mines more of cranial issue..
See with my it's the whole damn thing that's just off.

Before I post of full frontal...I'll post a picture of me a little to the side.
Even here you can tell my nose is off center(leans to the left), one eye is stretched lower and to the side.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r2/ArtC enterWork/ASYme2.jpg

With me the left side of my skull is literally stretching to the left and to back(3 dimensionally) more than than the right, that's what causes my asymmetry. I mean I might be able to alleviate some asymmetry with nose/ear surgery but I can never ever "fix" it. But I never had physical issues and I kind of like being different this way so it doesn't me bother me too much... I just wish I had more confidence to speak socially.

lol, it has happened to me before, and i have been copying my posts, but this time i didn't bother to do it...

And no, my condition isn't like Doherty's... i've been looking at more pictures of her, and her problem doesn't seem to have anything to do with her chin like someone in a webpage i read suggested. Her eye is just a lot higher than the other. I can see that now, i used to think one of her eyes was smaller, no wonder why i always thought they looked the same.
Mine is more like Grendel's problem... i don't know if any of you watched the movie Beowulf... haha. Oh it's sad, but i feel like i look like that. Mmmh... for those of you who didn't see it, i tried to find a pic of the monster from that movie, and i found one but the jaw misalignment isn't that obvious in the one i found: http://www.allmoviephoto.com/photo/2007_be owulf_wallpaper_011.html

Opposing, i must say, you look very normal in that pic. Maybe the tilting head thing works for you as well? lol. Seriously, i don't see anything asymmetric or wrong with your face or skull.

You are so mean to yourself Biani! I'd trade my issue with yours in a split second.

Anyway, the photo I posted earlier is one my better angles I've learned to pose with... as well as my hair style which is designed to lessen the assymetry.
I also must say Thankyou for your compliment Biani, it means a lot to me.


Ok here's a full frontal with all my vulnerablities for the world to see... : (. Look away if you have to . I know I do...
But really, I've gotten over the issue... I used walk around with my head down.. avoiding looking at peoples eyes but now I walk around so confidently I almost like the attention..

(note: I watermarked the photo in case someone does astudy and uses the picture without my permission etc... I'm so paranioid...)

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r2/ArtC enterWork/asyme4.jpg

haha, i am too hard on myself sometimes...

I also learned how to pose, so my asymmetry doesn't show too much, basically is just avoiding pictures straight front.

To be honest with you, the only thing i noticed with the naked eye, is that one of your eyes looks a little smaller, or well, different, not necessarily small... that happens to me as well. Sometimes it seems like one of my eyes is wide awake and the other half asleep, lol. Like the shape of the eyelid is different... in my case i make up for it by curling my lashes more on the droopy side. So i think it has to do a lot with the lashes as well... since it's mostly fixed by this.

I started drawing lines on your face, and THEN i saw what you mean, about your nose leaning to the left. I'm guessing that if i couldn't pin point your asymmetry by your front picture just by looking at you (you know, without drawing lines), people much less can really notice it when in real life, movement and all.
Maybe that's why i get self conscious mainly when talking to someone while being still.

You actaully drew over it...
Oh now I'm really self conscious...

The funny thing, the eye thing is what bothers me least.. It's my nose, ears, head shape, and then my eyes.
Ty for taking the time to post your thoughts, it helps.

And I've been thinking, it's good that you're actually willing to make fun of yourself, that's a good sign!

Anyway, you should post your full picture too, you've got me curious. You can get and artist's point of view.
You can delete later if it worries you or you can even pm me.

I actually ran out of internet (I live in South Africa right now) so it'll be about a week and a half before I get more internet. Right now I'm at an inconveniently located internet cafe somewhere in cape town.

Anyhow, the reasons I posted the last two photos of me and said that no way can they be the same is that I just can't see how it does look the same. Pay attention to my nose in both pictures. In the second one it looks crooked on that side. Also on that bad side, the way my hair goes looks crappy, and so does my jaw/ear. They just look different even though I'm fairluy certain the last two are symmetrical.

Maybe this whole thing about assymettricality is some sort of OCD? I woudln't be surprised.

The funny thing is I never ever thought about my appearance and this assymetry stuff until I moved into an apartment with a 3 panel mirror (where the 2 sides comes out). It's cool to see the sides of your face but also it's not.

opposing: i sent you a pm, ok? check it please.

Kirra: all i see on your pictures is that your nose on the second one seems to have a bump that's more noticeable than on the first. But i think it has a lot to do that the pictures aren't taken on the exact same angle. One seems to be taken from a lower point in relation to your face. And, btw, your hair looks fine in both of them, lol.
Anyway, we'll be waiting till you get internet again.

Oh I got it! I sent you a long email with my thoughts. In short you're no grendel, your general beauty and attractiveness stands out first. I'm more curious about your ethnicity than any asymmetrical issues. But at the same time I see what you're talking about and I gave you my perspestive on what I see.

Im curious about everyone else, have you guys taken pictures of very low and high angles. It's easier to see asymmetry like that too since it happens 3 dimensionally, not just from the front.

Kirrabeachbum, I really don't notice anything major but I think you've convinced there's something wrong so I'll try to analyze it another time.

Is this how the world sees me? Like how I look in the reflection of a reflection of a mirror?...

In normal mirrors, I look alright. I look completely normal. My jaw isn't completely even, and one cheekbones is smaller then the other, but that just runs in my family, and in a normal mirror, it doesn't look that bad. I look like a normal person...

But when I look at myself in two mirrors, like in the medicine cabinet, I see a completely different person.

My eyes are on two different levels, my mouth so so crooked I look retarded, and my entire left side of my face looks deformed. And my right doesn't look that much better. I'm not being hard on myself, in the reflection of the reflection, I look freakish. Its not that I'm just not used to seeing myself, its that I look completely different.

In a normal mirror, my nose looks straight, but in a double reflection, my nose is extremely bent over to one side. My chin looks awful, and arches out to one side too. But in a normal mirror, it doesn't look like that at all.

So which is the real me? I don't think I can live with myself is the real me is the reflection of the reflection. I look so much worse then all the other pictures that have been posted.

But like I said, in a normal mirror I look alright....
Tho I doubt now thats how I look to everyone else.

edit: If the real me is the reflection of a reflection, and I look fine in a normal mirror, then mirrors are nothing more then a cruel joke.

Hey anenome. I think people see us kind of like we see ourselves in the mirror. In the normal mirror i see my asymmetry. Mostly it's just that my mouth and chin are to the left, and my mouth is a little skewed. But on the reflection of the reflection OMG!!! I look HIDEOUS! and i'm not exaggerating... Like you, i see that my nose bends over to the other side, when in a normal mirror it looks straight enough, and my mouth and chin look about twice as far to the left, and my eyes look like they aren't leveled, added that one of my brows is always acting up, it's always a little raised even though i don't mean to raise it.
I think this is the effect that someone mentioned earlier in this thread. Everyone looks weirder in the reflection of the reflection, supposedly.
Gosh i hope that that is not how people see me... cause you know, in the reflection of the reflection you can see yourself as if you were standing in front of yourself, so it would technically be how others see you. I just hope they're just as used to 'rounding things up' so they don't see us as crooked as we notice ourselves to be in the reflection of the reflection.
Now i'm actually paranoid of letting other people see my normal reflection in the mirror. I had someone comment on how different and ugly i looked in the mirror, cause i looked very very crooked. But that in "normal life" i didn't look like that. :S

i felt so bad about the way i look. i decided to share my photos already...
my first bf broke up with me in bad terms and he called me ugly which hurts me a lot because its the truth.

i have a jaw problem that is so obvious my friend pointed it out. i try to stay positive and im really afraid of surgery but sometimes i just wished i was as pretty as my sisters.

i think my jaw problem has to do with my bite when i was growing up. i had to literally beg my mom for braces as she felt i was just being vain. it came to the point when i had problems pronouncing words at 16 during speech class that she relented for a short while the dentist was able to fix my bite but my finished bite post braces makes my face skewed. then i had an accident at 11 when i fell of a horse and landed face front with the impact landing on the chin. i dont think this is hereditary since i already checked our family history and i was the only one!

this is my photo: no touchups my upfront side when im not smiling. arggghhh can mirrors go away?!

oh my... i dont think i can stand keeping this pic in photobucket so il probably erase it in a week or two.

i also have my good side and bad side basically as long as i smile.. the face looks better. but closeup and relaxed it really looks awful especially since i have a prominent jaw line.

my jaw still pops from time to time and i cant move it a lot too. THIS is a really asymmetrical face=(

and cameras too? haha

I can totally relate to your case ms bean. I don't know just how obvious it is though...
I'm pretty sure that we wouldn't be able to tell you have a deviated jaw if you weren't facing the camera fully from the front. Hey, at least your lip lne is leveled... mine is diagonal
And i'm the only one in my family with this problem as well...

I hope you're right, but I have doubts, as I've seen my crooked nose show up in pictures before. Tho not all the time. I wish I had a camera so I could see for myself.

I remember taking pics of my face before, a few months ago, and I looked as I did when I look at a reflection of a reflection of myself and I looked disfigured... But when I showed them to someone and asked if thats how I really looks, she said no.

And today, I went and asked my grandfather to look and see if my nose was crooked, and if my mouth was slanted, and he looks and then laughed and said no. So I don't know what to think. I'm thinking about going to a doctor and trying to get some straight answers, but if I really look like I do in double reflections, I don't even want to leave my house.

Okay, I feel a little better. I looked at some pictures of me with my family from 06, some of the only recent pictures of me that exist of me where I don't have long hair, and I have to say I look normal in them.

The only thing wrong, really, is that I hold my head at an angle, b/c that was before I knew I had bad posture due to genetic and over-working my self doing manual labor jobs.

Anyway, I look normal. Or at least like I do in the mirror (just one mirror).
I think (hope to god) that how you see yourself in double mirrors shows all your flaws that are normally obscured, and that close up photos show these too. b/c I'm going around asking people I know and can trust fairly well things like "Is my mouth slanted at all" and I'll get "No, its actually very straight." and I'll ask about my nose and get the same.

And showing the pics of me from 06, people will say that thats how I look in real life too...
I hope they're right. But still in double reflections I look sooooo bad, and so very very different. I hope thats only an illusion.

What do you guys think?

I still wanna talk to a doctor. Tho in normal mirrors (and hopefully real-life) I look completely normal, I look so unhealthy/crooked in double mirrors it makes me wonder if I could have some underlying/hidden bone disease or something. God I look bad in two mirrors.

But like I said, in normal mirrors and good pictures, I look pretty damn handsome.
This is making my head spin. I don't know what to think.

BTW, to all the people brave enough to post pics, you guys look attractive. I hope you're like me, and were so shaken up my the (horrible lies!) of the double mirror that you've began to pick yourselves apart.

Everybody who's pics I've seen have good chins/cheekbones. ms bean & Biani have slighly crooked mouth, but they're not too bad. Like mine, they're probably from a twisted spine and an unsymmetrical jaw. The jaw can be fixed, but neither of your mouths look that bad. Like I said, close up pics and bad angles really show off your imperfections that would normally go unnoticed.

opposingrhythms doesn't look bad. I know, like me, there's probably not anything someone can say to make you feel better or look at yourself differently, but your nose isn't that bad at all. Totally not ugly. You have some great cheekbones.

I think the goddamned double mirror thing was so traumatic on us that its completely skewed our self-image.

edit: BTW, this might make you feel better (might not).
Look at pictures of Kurt Cobain. He had a twisted spine and in some pictures, he looks reeeally bad. And in others, he looks like a completely different person. Once he got famous, and for a while had a good self-image and held himself with some confidence, he was regarded as a hunk and a teen idol.

But looking at home footage, and home photos of him before he was famous from the 80s, he looked like a completely different person.
In this day and age, movie stars and models and crammed down our throats and make us feel like hideous monsters, which is wrong b/c no one looks like movie stars do. Not even them. (BTW I've heard someone say that Edward Norton has a crooked mouth. I haven't noticed it, but I know he has back trouble b/c he has pretty bad posture in the movie Fight Club)

Anyway for instance, look at these pics of eminem from his childhood:

http://www.moviecritic.com.au/userimages/u ser624_1153111833.jpg

http://www.lolviral.com/wp-content/uploads /2007/11/young-eminem.png

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/pa per851/stills/3f1244feecd04-5-1.jpg

http://www.hiphopgame.com/images/crazy/emi nempic.jpg



Hardly anyone has a perfect face without perfect lighting, perfect camera angles, a professional makeup crew, and computer editing. Study his and you'll notice he's slightly unsymmetrical. The only person who comes close to perfect in my mind is Johnny Depp, but if you watch interviews from him, you may notice that his jaw isn't completely even.

I hope I made some of you feel better. I don't really, but I'm pessimistic.
Still it doesn't hurt to try to give others hope.

I'm as, if not more shaken about all the people who see my pictures. I still may take them down, but I've learned to use it, and whenever I think about people who may notice my asymmetry, I smile ( i can't control it at this point, I love it), I even tilt my head a little higher for all to see. Maybe it's my flamboyant side, I don't know, but the ability to draw attention is not a bad one if you can channel self confidence/joy to people. Although I'm not always like that(good days/bad days come), I try...

Ms. Bean, As for you, I wish I could see a full frontal, that would be more informative. Your pose isn't perfectly straight either...anyway

At the very first look, I see nothing that stands out, nothing that would make me stop and watch, or get me curious.

After a close look I notice "something" is off. I then notice something is skewed, and I see the jaw on the left is more prominent ( it took me a few good looks to get it right). I wasn't thinking that immediately(" wow her jaw is off"), it took me quite a few looks, or rather 10 seconds of steadily looking at your photo to pinpoint it. After like 20 looks, I also noticed your chin-line is off a bit too (not 100%).
But I see nothing that would make me uncomfortable or draw me away from you. You would be no less attractive then any girl I find attractive because of that minor asymmetry.
You look as normal as anyone here, besides myself, who is the least normal.


The mirror thing, I think someone way early in this topic already nailed the thinking of other people when it comes to this. Basically the 2 mirror reflection isn't what everyone sees, it's our mind reacting to what it's used to seeing. (given the idea that our mind forces symmetry on what it sees)
For example, trying free hand drawing faces, or drawing something that looks symmetrical on paper, reflect it against a mirror and you'll see the asymmetry much more clearer, but to you, it looks fairly symmetrical. At the same time though, I think we still have to calculate that we see ourselves everyday and get used to that image that others still haven't. But I'm positive it's not as bad as the mirror reflection image we see. Also remember that mirrors are a 2-D surface reflecting 3-D surfaces, it's not 100% like how we see people either.

Ms. Bean, once again, you look just fine. It makes me sad to think that you would let your jaw thing hold your personality back when I see that it's nothing to obsess about.

Anenome, your asym can't be as bad as mine (you're more than welcome to pm me with a photo and get my opinion btw)... You jaw people are lucky from my point of view. *sigh

This is my analysis of KiraBeachBum

Basically, you're as normal as everyhuman being in the world.
What've done is mapped out basic landmarks in your face. The light red was done first, in one side of your face, I then duplicated that and flipped it on photoshop and turned it opaque light blue. So the light blue is EXACTLY what the light red is, except flipped. The dark red is what I believe are the differences in your face. (I used your eyes as symmetrical landmarks for everything btw).
Basically where dark red and light blue don't match up is possible asymmetry.

I see extremely minor issues with your nose, lips, jaw and ear. There's also some asymmetry with your head. You 'll note the negative space near the top of your head isn't symmetrical on both sides. This could hair issues, pose, or just good ol' asymmetry.

I couldn't find a defintive midline below your nostrils to your chin, it seemed to diaviate slightly to the left( we're talking a fractionally). I also suspect minor asymmetry with the apex of your cheekbones. Your ears are off a bit( could be that your pose wasn't perfectly straight though).
Your eyes seem unusally perfect and symmetrical. Note that the lines connecting the corner of your mouth and the inner corner of your eyes aren't symmtrical on both sides, I suspect this is because your lips are off slightly. The right side of your lips seems just a little lower than the left (we're talking millimeters).

And your nose, generally it's symmetrical but in close inspection I see issues with your nostrils and the tip of your nose. The dark red and light blue lines should explain what I mean.

OK kira, that's me being as critical as I can with your face. In fact that was practically the only way I could see asymmetry in your face. Your face is really really symmetrical! I wouldn't worry about anyone else noticing, ever!
*Sigh*So jealous...

For comparison check out what I did with myself,

note easily seen asymmetry with my eyes, nose and cheekbones. My right side ( in the photo) appears over an inch longer then my left. It's not a pose issue either, it's the way my skull is shaped due to that whole sleep thing I mentioned, It literally flattens out on the left side, and pinches/leans on the right. it affects my nose and you can see where it leans.

So what's correct normal mirrors, or two mirrors?
Because I look like a normal person in one mirror, but in two at angles, I look like a deformed freak (serious).

Well, in those terms I would say 1 mirror. But you should be able to spot the same asymmetry on both if you look hard enough. Or if you look at the reflected 2nd mirror for hours it will eventually seem normal. It's the juxtapostion of both images when your mind sees the asymmetry very clearly. The reason you don't see the asymmetry on the 1st mirror is because that's image your mind see's first and is used to seeing ( the mind makes it seem more symmetrical) Anyone else who sees your reflection will see the asymmetry because they'll see a flipped version of what they normally see(they can compare both you and the reflection), I suspect if they were to see your reflection on the second mirror they would see you as normal while you saw yourself as abnormal.

kira beach bum. hehe you look totally normal!

i wish i could pose for another picture of myself but my vanity wont let me keep bad photos of myself anymore.
thanks to biani and opposingrythms for their honest evaluation. lets just try and stay positive who knows a few years down the road they wouldve invented a new technology to make our imperfections seem more symmetrical.