"Helps Promote Healthy Bone, Cartilage
& Tissue Function
The bone, flesh, and cartilage
combination, does wonders in restoring
flesh and internal healing of bones and
cartilage.
It can be taken in any of its forms,
capsules, syrup, tea (internally and
externally as a fomentation) and topically
in a salve. All will do the job. The
choice of how you take it depends on what
the problem is.
This formula has done miraculous things
with broken backs, legs, hips, etc. This
formula has been used on curvature of the
spine, polio, multiple sclerosis, and
muscular dystrophy, stroke and arthritis
of the bone. This formula is used
externally as well as orally and has
brought tremendously fast results.
This formula is a "power house" and has
been used on (and restored to health)
cancer of the spine, arthritis and polio,
and has helped rebuild torn cartilage and
sinews, fractures, etc. etc. ***"
Mh... so i'm not sure if it will be any
good for your case Methos...
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gimlet
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Posted: 07-16-08 18:33pm
Any kind of over-the-counter heat rub
would probably help. Like Tiger Balm. They
would relieve pain in your jaw joint and
relax your jaw muscles, too. Plus, they'd
be easier on your liver than the Extra
Strength Tylenol. ;o)
If you're looking for a pill, Naproxen is
a good muscle relaxant, but you would need
a prescription.
Now, I'm speculating about their utility
for for the jaw, as I've only ever treated
my own stress-induced jaw pain and
subsequent headaches with sleep and
tylenol.
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morelli
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about the asymmetry Posted: 07-20-08 10:34am
hi sorry to discuss this so late in the
forum, i\'ve been reading different forums
and doctorate advice to find out what my
problem is... recently ive noticed that
when i take pictures on my mac, they look
fine... but when i flip the image it looks
nothing like me... alot of people have
been saying the mind plays tricks when
images are swapped but im still unsure...
its as if my face is crooked but ive never
noticed before
no one has ever said anything about my
face so maybe its just me....
im a rather self-conscious person, ive
done the mirror trick with the 2 mirrors
and my face does appear to be crooked...
this bothers me because ive been told to
be very attractive my whole life (could it
just be that im not very photogenic?)
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methos64
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Re: about the asymmetry Posted: 07-20-08 17:36pm
morelli
wrote:
hi sorry to discuss this so
late in the forum, i\'ve been reading
different forums and doctorate advice to
find out what my problem is... recently
ive noticed that when i take pictures on
my mac, they look fine... but when i flip
the image it looks nothing like me... alot
of people have been saying the mind plays
tricks when images are swapped but im
still unsure... its as if my face is
crooked but ive never noticed before
no one has ever said anything about my
face so maybe its just me....
im a rather self-conscious person, ive
done the mirror trick with the 2 mirrors
and my face does appear to be crooked...
this bothers me because ive been told to
be very attractive my whole life (could it
just be that im not very
photogenic?)
if u could post photos of yourself then we
could give u our perspective on it. cause
we specifically look for that stuff. many
people never notice crookedness unless
they stare at me for a good while, but
most people just to glance at you for a
few seconds and they usually never see the
deformity.
i dont think being photogenic has anything
to do with whether ur face looks straight
or crooked.
i too have always been told that im
attractive and photogenic, but i myself
dont see that. once in a blue moon itll be
like hey i dont look bad at all. also
depends on whos telling you, usually its
parents that always think their kids look
great and never see the flaws.
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gimlet
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Posted: 07-20-08 19:42pm
Hey Morelli,
Judging by your profile photo, you look
really, really, really symmetrical. I
copied and pasted one side of your face,
inverted it and pasted it to the other
side, and you look almost identical. The
only difference was in your eyes, but
that's probably because your head is
slightly tilted in the photo (so it
doesn't c &p evenly).
I also tried to invert it normally - which
is how I usually see asymmetry - and I
still can't really see any significant
abnormalities in your face.
To some extent it's normal to not like
your inverted photo, since we like what is
familiar. Most people dislike the inverted
photo, since they've never seen a
2-dimensional, still image inversion of
their face.
If you have any crookedness, it's probably
extremely minor, but it may be unlikely
that other people notice it. If you look
through the thread, you've probably
noticed that other people's asymmetry is
never as noticeable as they themselves
think it is.
Personally, I've started to notice it in
other people, but only because I look for
it, and it's always something that I never
noticed up until I actually studied their
face. Most people have very minor
asymmetry and it doesn't distract from
their aesthetic appeal whatsoever. Having
said that, even studying your face, I
can't see it!
Honestly, you look 100% normal If people
have told you your entire life that you're
good looking, then believe them!
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MichaelUK
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Posted: 07-24-08 09:11am
Hello everyone.
It is somewhat comforting to read about
the experiences of other people in the
same boat as myself.
I spoke to a Doctor who I had originally
made an appointment with for something
unrelated. I briefly asked him about my
asymmetry, after examing me, he told me
the left side of my jaw was overdevolped,
the right, slighly under. He added that
the surgery involved was something not to
be taken lightly as it would include
cutting bone.
I shall be seeing him again and asking him
to arrange a consultation with a
Maxillofacial Surgeon, after which I will
make a decision about my next step.
It's come to the point where I hate it
that much that I'll be willing to take the
risks to have it sorted out.
Here is my photo:
I know its bad, but I'd like some other
opinions.
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Biani
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Posted: 07-24-08 12:54pm
Hey Michael!
Well, by just glancing at your pic i
didn't notice it right away. Knowing
there's some asymmetry, and looking for
it, i did notice one of your ears seems to
be higher than the other, and that your
chin is off to your right.
I took your pic and lined up your ears,
assuming they're normal and you have your
head slightly tilted. Then i could see
that your jaw is longer on your left side,
making your chin deviate to the other
side.
I don't think it's BAD, though... lol, or
maybe i'm just getting more and more used
to seeing asymmetries like this? mh....
I think your deviation is kind of like
mine, although i think my left and right
side of the jaw are more or less the same.
If what it took to fix mine involved
cutting bone, i wouldn't do it... i'm too
scared of surgery!
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MichaelUK
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Posted: 07-24-08 14:43pm
Hi Biani,
Thanks for your input! I just noticed the
ear thing. My Doctor did ask me if I had
any trouble with my hearing, which I
don't.
I'm a little surprised you said you didn't
see it right away. Like a few people have
mentioned previously, I don't see it when
I look in the mirror. It's a different
story in photos though, where it becomes
painfully obvious. It doesn't help that I
have a devaited septum either, which seems
to upset the balance of my face further.
I'd still be interested in what other
people think.
I'm seeing my Doctor again tomorrow, where
I'll ask him to refer me to a consultant.
I don't know what I'll do until after I
speak to a expert on the subject.
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worrywart01
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Posted: 07-24-08 14:55pm
I really dont think its that bad to be
honest......this isnt something that would
make or break me dating the guy...everyone
has flaws..no one is perfect..i guess we
have to learn to accept it or...get it
fixed if it bothers us that much...but
like I said..i probably wouldn't have even
been able to tell if it weren't pointed
out...then again..i dont look for peoples
flaws when I look at them haha
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Biani
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Posted: 07-25-08 18:12pm
You're welcome Michael! I too have issues
with my nose, i don't know if it's a
deviated septum or what, but it does point
a little to my right. So having my chin to
my left doesn't help at all.
Let us know how everything goes...
On my case, i'm happy to report that
apparently it will be fixable with braces.
I've been wearing this splint thing, and
yesterday i went to the dentists office to
get it adjusted, and it seems to be
working... My jaw doesn't pop as much and
it seems that i am getting used to biting
more to my right... I'll let you guys know
how that goes. Although i'm not crazy
about the idea of having braces at my
age... haha.
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gimlet
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Posted: 07-25-08 18:25pm
Hey Michael,
I think we might be twins. lol. I have an
uneven jaw and a deviated septum, too.
I think I can see the asymmetry you're
talking about. The "overdeveloped" side is
the left, and the "underdeveloped" side is
your right? It looks like the vertical jaw
bone is slightly longer on the left (same
thing I have). I see it a bit, but it's
not overly noticeable, I don't think.
You're definitely not anymore asymmetrical
than the rest of us (which is probably not
very comforting, now that I think about
it. lol).
If your surgeon ever gives you an idea of
causes, please, let me know! I'm very
curious as to how asymmetry is produced.
A friend of mine had surgery on her jaw
when we were in high school, because even
after braces her jaw still sat in an open
bite and she couldn't eat properly. The
surgery is a HUGE pain in the ass, and
unless you have insurance that covers it,
a huge blow to the wallet too (it can cost
tens of thousands of dollars). You can't
open your mouth for the first week or two
after surgery and you're on a liquid diet
for quite awhile. Definitely worth
considering if you go through with it!
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MichaelUK
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Posted: 07-26-08 02:41am
Hi eveyone.
I visited my Doctor yesterday and he was
very honest and blunt with me. I live in
the UK and that means dealing with the
NHS. He told me there's no way I'd get it
done on the NHS (which I contribute to via
my taxes I might add) unless it was
causing me pain.
He went on about how everybody is a little
asymmetric and also went on to point out
other fauts with my face, which was nice
of him! To tell you the truth, although it
is something that bothers me and will to
some degree effect my confidence, I can
live with it.
I do have the option of contacting the
Maxillofacial unit directly myself. But if
they tell me the same thing as my GP did -
that they won't do it, I'm pretty much
stuck with it. After hearing about
possible complications I'm not really sure
what I will do next.
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MichaelUK
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Posted: 07-26-08 02:47am
gimlet
wrote:
Hey Michael,
I think we might be twins. lol. I have an
uneven jaw and a deviated septum, too.
I think I can see the asymmetry you're
talking about. The "overdeveloped" side is
the left, and the "underdeveloped" side is
your right? It looks like the vertical jaw
bone is slightly longer on the left (same
thing I have). I see it a bit, but it's
not overly noticeable, I don't think.
You're definitely not anymore asymmetrical
than the rest of us (which is probably not
very comforting, now that I think about
it. lol).
If your surgeon ever gives you an idea of
causes, please, let me know! I'm very
curious as to how asymmetry is produced.
A friend of mine had surgery on her jaw
when we were in high school, because even
after braces her jaw still sat in an open
bite and she couldn't eat properly. The
surgery is a HUGE pain in the ass, and
unless you have insurance that covers it,
a huge blow to the wallet too (it can cost
tens of thousands of dollars). You can't
open your mouth for the first week or two
after surgery and you're on a liquid diet
for quite awhile. Definitely worth
considering if you go through with
it!
Hi gimlet!
Point 1: Correct! My left side is over
developed.
Point 2: Another Doctor I spoke to (who is
a cosmetic surgeon who will be performing
my septoplasty) said it was genetic
fault.
Point 3: I've heard similar stories. It
seems a hell of a lot to go through.
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gimlet
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Posted: 07-26-08 05:33am
Michael,
It's too bad the NHS won't cover the
surgery. There aren't any private cosmetic
surgeons who could do it?
It's probably not much consolation, but
it's really not that noticeable, anyway. I
doubt I would have noticed it had you and
I randomly met on a street. Biani didn't
even notice it, and worrywart also said it
wasn't that obvious. I agree that it's not
that obvious - I noticed it here because I
studied the photo, looking for asymmetry,
and because you and I have similar
asymmetry, which I have trained myself to
look for (though, I think mine is more
noticeable. Totally obvious when I speak
or turn my head).
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MichaelUK
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Posted: 07-26-08 07:00am
Gimlet,
I'm sure if I looked hard enough I could
have it done privately. What I really
wanted to know was how much of my life I'd
have to put on hold.
At one point, I was 100% certain I wanted
to do something about it. Now, I'm not so
sure, mainly because of the apparent
difficulty of arranging the surgery. I
still feel I'd like to talk with a
specialist surgeon, get all the facts I
need and then take it from there.
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hpnotiq1
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Posted: 08-02-08 01:19am
Wow... I've been going crazy trying to
find ppl online with this same exact
issue... Luckily, I found this thread...I
thought it was rare but I guess it's not
at all.
Like most of you I noticed this with a
double mirror. I'm currently 22 and
started noticing this assymetry a few
years ago (3-4 years).
What I notice of the right side of my face
is the following:
1) Right side of face looks different than
left side
2) Looks and feels flat
3) Feels like there's less bone density
4) My hairline is uneven, gets higher from
left to right.
5) Makes my hair look uneven
6) By the temple, I feel a kind of bulge.
7) Jawline looks longer
Cheek is very
flat.
This affects my self-esteem a lot. If my
right side looked a lot more like my left
side, I'd be a lot more confident and
happy.
I've been researching this for over a year
now and the only doctor/surgeon that is
remotely close to dealing with this type
of problem is a Craniofacial Surgeon.
I've seen some recommendations of
Oral-Maxillofacial surgeons, but I think
Craniofacial Surgeons are more specialized
since they deal with extremely severe
deformities of the face and skull. At
first I thought my issue wasn't bad enough
for a Craniofacial surgeon, but there's
nothing else that comes close to this
assymetrical problem.
I was told CAT scans of the face is the
only thing that can really prove
anything.
Consultation fees range from $100-250.
I'll be visiting one this month
hopefully.
This information should be helpful!
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methos64
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Posted: 08-04-08 23:23pm
i tried tiger balm and it did nothing
other than make my face really dry.
wound up seeing th surgeon shortly after ,
so he could see the results of my bone
scan. turns out that that right side of my
jaw is still growing out *sighs* , thats
what has been causing me pain. while the
tension in the muscles due to stress and
anxiety has cause me the discomfort.
the doc gave me 800mg of ibuprofen which
helped a little when i got a bit of pain.
but it doesnt take away the discomfort or
compulsive muscle spasms.
the doc saw that i was kinda frustrated
having all this go on. so he changed up
the plan. he says that i can start with
the braces in January, that only my bottom
teeth would need the braces. and that
during spring break he will see me and
check on how things are going. that i can
then get another bone scan in july. and
that by that point the bone should have
burned out and stopped with the growth.
then in august i can have the surgery.
and basically spend the remainder of that
year in taking it easy. and continue with
the braces.
so it sucks that the bone just hasnt stop.
he said im the first thats 23 years of age
and still having it growing. i turned 24
last week. so its like dang. i hope by
next year that it would have stopped.
tomorrow im gonna hopefully see our family
doctor and see if can prescribe me some
muscle relaxant. cause it sucks that if i
dont sleep well enough or the slightest
thing gives me stress, my jaw muscles
start to go all out of whack and my jaw
goes out of place. and its not like this
everyday, some days im fine and quite
normal. while others like today , its just
hectic and frustrating. i cant go out
anywhere cause if im the least bit tense
or tired, ill look like a weirdo,
constantly extending my jaw and biting
down on my teeth. when i swallow , u just
hear the click like sounds as movement
goes on.
so yep thats the update with whats going
on with me.
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Biani
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Posted: 08-05-08 11:04am
Wow, Methos, sorry about that... It does
seem odd that your jaw is still growing...
people are supposed to stop growing at a
much younger age, right? dang indeed.
I hope you have more of those fine and
normal days.
hpnotiq: Are you sure it's that big of a
deal? You should post some pics of you. I
mean, if you only notice it in the 2-way
mirror... Anyway, let us know how your
consultation goes.
On my part there's no new updates yet.
Still wearing the splint.
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methos64
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Posted: 08-05-08 13:19pm
yeah he said the oldest he has seen was a
22 year old. and im already 24. so he was
there thinking dang thats a first. i was
like dawww!!! im screwed. so yeah cant do
nothing about it until it stops growing.
if all goes like he says, then i should
have already been through the surgery this
time next year.
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hpnotiq1
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Posted: 08-06-08 00:40am
I think it's serious enough for surgery,
but only a surgeon could really be
sure.....