About three years ago one psychic reader trapped me to sit in her car and show her a dollar. After 3 days, one more person appeared inside me. when I go to the temple early in the morning god came (basically have seen my soul) and throw out the person inside me. I was doing good for a month after that. one day morning when i wake up i have confusion in my eyes. I took resperdal and went to work. after 30 days on medicine, i abruptly stopped taking medicines and plunged into depression. some how for the last 3 years i come out of psychosis and depression. iam switched to abilify. i never heared any voices during day time. but time i get lot of dreams. Also, am not a ble to make proper eye contact with people which making me hard to get work. is it a side effect of taking anti-psychotics/anti-depressents. I never heard voices. Is it ok if slowly taper the medicine and stop taking it. what are thoughts on it. I appreciate your inputs.

My son was diagnosed with schizophrenia when he was 21. He's almost 30. For nine long years he's been tormented by voices yelling at him, cursing at him, telling him to kill himself. I've seen his face contorting into hideous expressions that are not him. His voice is a growl at times. He gets a look of sheer hatred and malevolence. I thought it was what the doctors said: schizophrenia. He also has sensations of something living inside him: multiple personalities living in him. I've seen his hands moving in strange ways with a life of their own. He claims he is not doing this. In addition: he's been in trances and his head is twitching and ears moving in different directions. He has tried to kill himself 3 times. He is absolutely tormented not only by voices but physical pain- such terrible pain in his head and entire body- he clutches his head and groans. He has sensations of wind blowing on his face and sees visions of giant black rays which swoop past him. He has developed an aversion to god and anything having to do with the church. I read a book called, "The Rite," about exorcism and discerning the difference between mental illness and demonic possession. When I took Ryan in for prayer Ryan said: "The man in my stomach kicked the crucifix and said, 'take it away - it's making me dirty.'" The Priest said he is not possessed because he never opened the "portal" to be possessed. He never played with a Ouija board or dealt with the occult - but is this rule hard and fast? Who is to say?
I pray for Ryan and believe he will someday be delivered of this contagion. In the meantime, we go to the psychiatrist and take meds. I am fighting for his life and Lucifer has just picked on the wrong person. I take this very personally and I'm gonna kick his wicked ass into the next century.

If it is something that's occurring when you stop medication or change meds you can be pretty sure demons have nothing to do with it.

If your current medications aren't working correctly for you talk to your doctor.

He's on his medications. He is on so many medications that he becomes locked up, muscularly and is still hearing voices and suffering visual, olfactory, tactile hallucinations. Of course I'd never let him go off his meds. He's under the care of two psychiatrists and has been hospitalized over the years. It would be irresponsible for me to say, "Oh this is possession and he doesn't need meds."

Not always true wolf.
In my case the very night I took meds everything stopped, almost instantaneously, doesn't mean demons aren't involved, it also doesn't mean that meds do anything at all.

Have they actually found a way to do something to your brain that somehow makes this problem subside in some ways, a pill no less?

There are no demons there is no scientific proof of them

if there were demons they would certainly have evolutionary proof because they supposedly mated with humans in the BIble and made nephilim but since they never found any proof of any of their remains then it's just fake

and people suffering from gigantic disease are not nephillim and all those skeletons that people say they found are just hoaxes just like crop circles and all that nonsense because people think it is funny to mess with people's heads

the delusion can't do anything unless you believe it and act on it but if you take the meds you will have an easier time because you won't have all the million thoughts of what if because all of them are not real

She blinded me with science! (IN really stupid voice)

What was that, a buggles song, that was the buggles right.

She blinded me with science!

Wow. What a lot of pain alot of these people are in. I do think that most of them have a good idea about what might be going on although there are some who do not think it is possible. Yes I think it is too. And keep going because you will get through it. You will be ok. Just do whatever it takes to be in your own calm state even if you have to watch tv all day. That is the most important thing. To be in your own serenity and peacefulness.

No, it doesn't mean that demons are not involved, but if there is a problem, and you take medication that was prescribed to you to correct that problem and that problem ceases, the most likely answer is that you had a medical problem treated by medicine. Medicine has proven to be able to correct the issues that are being described in this thread when they are caused by failure of neurotransmitters by using pills that adjust hormone levels to generate or block the chemicals that enable that neurotransmission. It's very normal medicine that one-in-five people on the planet are treated by.

Thank you for your thoughtful responses. It breaks my heart to see my son go through this terrible affliction, which is beyond bizarre. I have seen him say and do things that are not of this world. I don't understand his disease. I don't understand how he can take fistfuls of pills and get no relief. I don't understand how his voice changes and his face takes on different visages. He's been hospitalized for weeks upon weeks and has gotten no relief. Then other times, he is fine. The Priest we saw who was the subject of the book, "The Rite" by Matt Baglio, said he could not rule out spirit possession because of how the "demons" reacted to the prayer and crucifix...very typically for what he's experienced apparently. This is a Priest who has been trained in spirit discernment vs. mental illness.

If you had been in my shoes you would see. There is no way this is a disease, whatever is going on with my brain is not the cause of this, you might say that it's invisible to the naked eye.

It's like this, either these pills aren't doing anything at all, and there is more than meets the eye, or like you say by disabling certain functions it stops some things from being able to happen, it doesn't mean that the pills are treating an illness in the brain. There however may be certain side effects on the brain when this problem occurrs.

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It doesn't help you to make things more confusing if you're allready struggling with a disorienting disorder. It's possible that cosmic rays from Jupiter are curing you and it's just amazing co-incidence that they only seem to strike you when you're on your medicaiton. If you are better able to function when you take your medicaiton, just take your medicaiton and don't get hung up on the "real" cause and effect. Let your doctor worry about that end, just do what needs be done to allow you to opperate nomrally in society.

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I KNOW ITS POSSESSION, I TREATED MYSELF with ruqya (islamic healing) by reading quran, i used to be violent, racist, i used to do stupid things and get angry for no reason. I used to get sleep paralysis every other day, when i started to read the quran they increased and when i read more and got to a good stage i am doing much better and most of my symptoms have gone - WITHOUT ANY DRUGS.

I find very helpful the comments of those people who are reminding people, or pointing it out for the first time, things like taking medication may easily help, but it certainly doesn't mean the person wasn't demonically possessed.

I suppose that evil forces have a concerted interest in making science seem true. You'd be very, very, very, very (etc.) surprised at just how quick (beyond speed) and how opportunistically at any point of meaning or even possible meaning that evil forces make actions. And so it's also quite disconcerting to me to see people hold up science as a "be all and end all". Like the person above on this page who said that there is no demonic possession because science can't prove it.

Science can't prove or explain anything that is part of the spirit world. It just will never be able to do. Any scientist will tell you that now - that spiritual existence is nothing to do with science. Can scientific theories explain love? Of course not. They never, ever will. People are spirits. That's always more than the examinable make up and "ticking over-ness" of their bodies, and also, bodies are also far, far, far from only this scientific physically explicable thing alone.

It can be easy to fall into a rut if you have not been thinking cautiously for some time or during a lot of your life (& very easy to be oblivious to your mistake), to assume something. That is that this world is all known, quantified or quantifiable into mathematical or scientific type explanations and everything can be explained. That's nuts. I have done it when I was younger - thinking that beings are spirits but the physical world can always be explained (or maybe there will be, hardly ever, some exceptions that are inexplicable).

Beings are spirits that are, at least originally, part of the genius of god which is so amazing there is no explanation. How can there be an explanation if there can't be any questions formulated? It's beyond reason, beyond calculations, beyond formulae. Spirits are in existence reasonless, part of kind of super bright light genius beyond and below genius because there is no meaning but the light of god.

The reason why some people hear or see things is beacuse there are jinns (creations like angels and humans) but they are invisible. The quran has a whole chapter on them. They can see us but we cannot see them (unless they show themselves to whoever or for whatever reason). If they possess you they can cause chemical imbalances in the brain.

After reading a post above a preist told someone that because her son wasnt involved in the occult he is not possessed, that is nonsence. Jinns can possess for a variety of reasons , including revenge, you may have wee'd on them or poured boiling water on them by mistake, they could be bored and do it for fun.

Fortune tellers seek help from them to explain the future, so if you see one then they may stay with you.

by the way just because a christian has an aversion to the crucifix it doesnt mean that christianity is the correct religion by default, it could mean he has a non christian jinn in him. Jinns have different religions, they have families and eat and do similiar things to humans. There are 3 types according to islam, one type with wings that flies, one thats reptile like (lizards etc) and another one, i forgot that one...they can also change shapes etc as this is part of their creation. Also if you are possessed you are more likely to have dreams of dogs snakes, reptiles not to mention wet dreams.

You cannot be possessed by a demon and not be involved with the occult.

Science cannot prove or explain things that do not have proof or explanation. It is a shortcoming of those two words, not science.

If medicine is a plot of the devil to ruin humanity. I've got to say, The devil must be kicking himself for what an incredibly bone-headed move that was. Plagues being stopped int their track, people living long healthy lives , people being prevented from hearing voices or seeing things, the critically injured being restored. That has to be one of the top-ten blunders since creation.

I wasn't involved, and they haven't shutup for ten years this halloween.

And by the way, the devil loves people, and people love the devil.

If anything he would want you to continue, because you aren't very good.

If it were up to him, would'nt he help you continue, so that you may continue this charade, fight your wars and things of that nature.

I love how people think that they are the heroic awesome great beings of this planet, it's insane. Yeah, the devil is your enemy.

It's like this, if the devil is bad as are people, well, he'll be your best buddy, if there are any good ones out there, they are the ones that you hate, you don't want to know what they would do.

I continue to appreciate the comments on this topic. I am also happy to hear there are a lot of opinions. When I first posed the question: is this a medical disease or spiritual one? I fully expected to get many letters from the scientific community saying in essence: "of course it's a medical one, an imbalance in the brain. All one need do is take his medications and it will go away."

As witness to my son's demonic rants, a man who is so sweet by nature, I will say in his case this is not a chemical imbalance. I've witnessed his face contorted into different expressions, some extremely malevolent, voice changes with expressions that were utterly out of character for him. He's described the demons who reside within him. Right now they're lying low. Maybe some have left....For those of you who scoff, if I haven't been living this myself I'd be a skeptic. I guess if we could see things like spirits there'd be no debate in a forum like this, would there? But because we can't see spirits then we must assume it's a disease of some kind, because to speculate it is a form of possession is too far afield. Living in the seeing world we don't know how to understand something like possession. We can more easily grasp a chemical imbalance in the brain. I am well acquainted with the science of mental illness and particularly schizophrenia. I have met people with schizophrenia who are functioning very well. They have not experienced having their body parts moving without their awareness, or muscles on the head moving, eyes drifting, unfocused in their orbits, and seizure-like activity. Eyes changing in color and appearance. And yes, he's had a full neurological workup.

The Catholic Church is starting to bring exorcism out of the long locked closet...and it is training their own in evil spirit discernment vs. mental illness. In the meantime, we do all we know how to do and that is prescribe anti-psychotics. I tell Ryan: "take your pills" it's a mantra. I believe he's possessed but it's irresponsible to say: You're possessed and don't need pills. He may not be possessed. The Priest who discerns spirits felt he was possessed, primarily because one of the "little men" kicked at the Crucifix and said it was making him feel dirty. The voice, the growling voice ordering Ryan to kill himself is also not typical for schizophrenia...as far as I know. I could be wrong. I've been known to be. We are only guessing. My son won't go back to the church so I'll never know for sure if exorcism prayer would have helped.

One writer said we are spirits and it's true. We are and we walk amongst them. There is a lot to life we cannot see and prove with experiments but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. What about mental telepathy? There are plenty of anecdotal accounts of this but modern science has yet to acknowledge it. That's only one example. I think certain individual's eyes are simply closed to possibilities. Just like faith: you either believe or you don't. No amount of convincing will work. It's there or it's not. But for those of us who are suffering or watching our loved ones suffer from these brain afflictions, it's a nightmare. For me, my hope is someone is hearing my prayers and working for us in the spirit world. I believe in that and I have to because meds aren't the answer- at least- not for my son. I can only report my subjective experience and I cannot, nor will not generalize to everyone who suffers from psychosis or delusions.