This demonic business is insufferable bullsh*t and I'm sorry to find that people are so eager to feed the delusions. I'm hopeful that within the next ten years the biological sciences will have a proven cure for you. Remember that schizophrenia is not yet understood just as auto-immune diseases are not yet understood. Progress into understanding these chronic diseases is continuing with great momentum, and when one chronic disease falls they will all come down like dominoes.

In the meantime, you will need to manage with the palliative therapies as prescribed by the psychiatrist. The low blood sugar/hypoglycemia diet, may be a better approach for those who feel "CrAzY" and out of control with symptoms like DP/DR, etc...

Let's just say they do exist, and that their goal is awful, and they do awful things to people, and they lie to us, Kill us maybe, i don't know, but lets just say there are some really awful evil beings lying and messing with people, why is no one stopping them? Simply put, no one can, they obviously do what they want when they want, provided that there were some good beings somewhere who wanted to help you and give you the truth, ya know whatever good beings do, they are powerless to stop them. It's a simple equation that we all need to understand here, if a:awful beings are doing awful things and b: there are good beings out there, then c: if the awful beings aren't stopped, the good beings are powerless to stop them. It's so easy to see, if there are good ones out there, they can't help us. Truth be told, we are in the twilight zone and we aren't getting out.

invaded by demons. skeptics will say that modern medicine and therapy can drive them out. that is not the case. if not for fear of the un-known, I would kill myself tomorrow. yes, it's that bad.

I have been witness to an actual exorcism, where the person who was possessed (somebody very close to me) was exorcised in front of me.

The spirit or the trace of it, was "sent" to the possessed person by another family, who wanted to marry their son off to the "possessed" girl

What I want to point out is, that girl (earlier possessed and cured now), would sometimes wake up in the middle of the night...and that day....the demon or the possessor spirit was puked out. The demon stated that it was sent to possess in the form of a cold drink.

I am so very confused.

I have a friend who is a minister of religion & he was working in indonesia or somewhere close wher the demons actually had him by the throat trying to kill him. It was only through his faith in Jesus & his willingness to trust in calling on Him that saved him, even though he couldn't see this demon he felt the effects on his body & knows that when he prayed "in the name of Jesus Christ be gone from me satan" and believed in his safety through Jesus that he is alive today & this happened twice over two days. they are there, they are real & they are not to be treated lightly.
May God bless all who read this & trust in Him!

I thought it was more obvious. Yes, the harmed conditions that western people who are called medics( and who claim to know other persons' minds but their own at any time) call 'schizophrenia' are in fact demonic possessions.

It is as Barbra, above, wrote in summer 2006. I really thought it was more obvious - what else could it be but demonic possession? Yes, the behaviour of some loose models is grouped into a collective term called 'schizophrenia', but this is exactly the symptoms of demonic possession spelt out.

Someone wrote a reply which is now on the first page of replies, which suggests that it is ludicrous to suggest that there are doctors who conspire against you by falsely representing your condition as something they understand, a state of the brain which is understood.

That's false. It is very, very close to the actual truth about Western 'mental health' and western medicine with regard to psychiatry that there is indeed a huge conspiracy against you which in large measure in effect moves in support of denying there are demons or that you are demonically possessed. And further denies central spiritual help to you by locking you in hospital in terrible conditions oten, spiritually depressing further. There is often a little bit of spiritual help available by visiting priests, maybe once a month or something like that for people who even have the courage or wit or random chance to speak to a priest - most wouldn't even get around to thinking about it for themselves, even if it were suggested to them.

It is the very foundation of the huge orgainsation (and organisations) of western style medicine that form this kind of conspiracy against the truth - the very founding of the nature of what they are and do. It denies a spiritual affliction, denies a very attack on the soul and spirit, denies even the consideration much at all of the spirit and soul of a being, and denies spiritual remedies largely. When someone is sick like this they should be helped by spiritual helpers, really beautiful, good people, very, very aware and humble people who are ready to give you new spirutal experiences, surprising, unexpected and then also expected / reassuring experiences and educate you (rather than let you fall into a further delusion that this live will be / is just a bed of rose petals, past the delusions of western mental health and psychiatric medicine itself).

Doesn't the last idea sound like it makes sense? What's more, doesn't it sound like exactly the opposite of a state mental health ward in today's age, as if those wards have been designed beforehand to be the opposite of that? I have seen state mental health wards. A lot of patients don't even get to go outside for walks. They're often very dirty and very, very smelly. This is not every ward, some will have good experiences. A lot of patients are denied access to a bed or any private space except at night. If you are found to be demonically possessed, the system creates a scenario, an actual scenario which would seem only to make you worse. Patients are pelted with extremely strong drugs every day which knock out any response in them, but, it can easily seem after a while, to go with the doctors. There's no other option. The original story clearly shows this - how the person feigned being well after a while. Many people are bound to stay sick (possessed) and keep it to themselves, many others get a good feeling from the drugs - that is what they do - and learn to rely on that, going along with what the doctors and nurses say.

People need help - patients. I know that. (And it is true people at times have to be restrained for the sake of not causing harm or undue commotion for others.) Some apparent form of help is, ostensibly, there. It is all wrong. It is harmful by the very nature of it. The whole edifice is a huge mistake. It has gone against spiritual values. (Thus) It has gone against humanity. It exists in denial and defiance of the normal, well, spiritual human.

The whole system is at various points a symbol of itself, an incredibly (kind of childishly) obvious symbol, of how it is wrong. There are people who are purported to be experts in these spirit-less, siprituality less places, who claim to know "the human mind". No person has ever genuinely known any single human mind ever beyond their own and during this life, no person ever will. The very fact that you shouldn't really try as it is impossible outlines how ludicrous it is to attempt to do this and that people who not only do that but conclude they know thiings after this are wrong. That's all a person can know, one's own mind. And the 'next' persons' mind could be so different in every respect, for example, that the first person could never grasp what it could be at all. And the next person light years of difference beyond that. And the next person light years of difference beyond that. And so on. Yet the "expert psychiatrists" apparently know things about "the human mind".

The biggest symbol of all of the wrongness of the whole edifice is, again, plain, pure truth - that there is no such thing as "the human mind", there never has been and never will be any such thing. Only a human mind. And then another human mind but one will never know into that human mind, or other human minds. Each doctor will only ever know his or her mind, each person will only ever know one person's min - his or her own and there will never be any moments of exception. A human mind and a person who's mind it is. One person will never ever know any other's human mind. Two persons will never ever know any other's human mind. Three will never ever know any other's human mind. In any degree or fashion. And so on. No person will ever genuinely know any other person's mind. No person, no doctor, no doctors, no "textbook" writer, no government guidebook writer. (To say mind as separate from soul and spirit is not a good thing also - perhaps that's partly where the whole wrong edifice came from.) There is only my human mind as far as I am concerned. There is only a person's mind, for that person. No one else's mind, now or at any time, and certainly no fictional "the human mind". Ever.

It's very sad that the whole edifice and system is wrong. It works in favour of the devil, hence. It's sadder still that many people who want to be caring and many people who are very able people are a part of this awful edifice and keep this going - people who don't intend for it to be that way. Sadder still again, very sad indeed, is that many people involved in the edifice know exactly this, they know, they do know, but they find it too hard somehow to extricate themselves, and to let in fresh new people who could be prepared to change things while these people could not change things.

Sadder again is that this creates a state of affairs where new people coming into the system to work, in whatever positions, join a dead thing - not dead in the sense of the harm dying, but dead in the sense of being more nailed, dead, to continue, more likely to be unchallenged for a long time. It's extremely hard for them to kick some life into it - and along with it goes the communication that this is a long standing, acepted way of behaving, western medical mental health treatment, with years of experts and education attatched to it - how could it be wrong. People are thought of as eminent, yet it could never be true. And where the likelihood thus is greater of challenge from a conceptual dimension, it means the system, the edifice, in the cogs and nuts and bolts, is working in a sick way. New people in a sudden cloud of dark grey confusion join a bitter system where they have no freedom to be themselves, to freshly bring enlightened wisdom from their years of conceptual awareness at school and / or college. Enlightenment here, which must be like a quicksilver-like liquid, can be beaten down or just kind of made to seem inadmissable - so strange in the circumstances that persons cannot get it out. It's another symptomatic symbol that the truth of the edifice is that it is in action, in theory as well (as it is a theory thing, an absurd theory thing) the opposite of something of the enlightenment of a quicksilver like liquid.

The other thing to note, which is most important is that in the mental health treatmnet world, you are dealing with persons who will instinctually know and feel the truth of what is said here, naturally, and who then, staying in their positions and not moving, act in a kind of mentally insane way themselves. They start prescribing terribly strong drugs which harm people, and then assume positions of totalitarian, abusive power from there. Have you seen 'One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest?" - it's not only representative often, it's a very light suggestion of many places. The persons in staff who find they become totalitarian and abusive, as a matter of course, can assure themselves and be cushioned in part perhaps by the awareness which is tiny fragment wisdom, huge part mistake at this stage that "no-one can know what to do anyway, certainly if we don't know what to do".

The point about extreme reform (and it is extreme that is needed) most likely coming from the point of view of the conceptual world means from thinkers rather than within the edifice itself. (If it is confusing above, I also point out here there is no or very little conceptual world within the day to day treatment working of the edifice itself. And the little there is is very often ground down, while new staff coming in from conceptual learning find they can not fit in this supposedly fresh stream with freshly developed concepts of what should be to be for the good. So the conceptual world is broken within the edifice, which means that reform is so unlikely to come from within the edifice and if it comes at all will come from severely persuasive, severely impressive and very dedicated thinkers as reformers.)

A couple of years ago I was interested to go and see a public leture by a "respected", very experienced pyschiatric doctor and publisher whom has worked in The U.K. and The Netherlands and psychologist who has published much and is campaigning for reform in the mental health world. I thought that would at least be a little positive. I was very surprised to find a whole lecture of around 2 and half hours poking utter fun, minute after minute at, in the lecturers quotes, the "mental health treatment" world (quotes to highlight a misnomer) in the west, and it was done this way to outline the seriousness of the situation. "Incredible" was said more than once, to show how utterly absurd the whole thing is. This was a complete conceptual attack from someone who has spent many years working within the system itself. It was indeed much more frightening in its portrayal of the system than I thought, when I knew it was approximately catastrophic anyway before attending this lecture.

While, there are those who are actively involved in it being an evil thing, that is to say, people who act expressly for this purpose. As people thankfully have most importantly stated above (after denials from others who seek to comfort themselves and others by denying the truth), there certainly are demons, there certainly is the devil, there certainly is demonic possession. This reply began as, and is very importat as, response to the question going along the lines of - is personal disturbance referred to as schizophrenia likely to be demonic possession?

As one respondent said above, demonic possession is not just the stuff of horror films - where did the stuff of films come from? A recent possession film is the dramatisation of a real life possession. And it is true that devil worshippers and followers are not just the stuff of horror films - The Omen and so on, is parts of real life portrayed in fiction. In The Omen films, the devil followers are extremely subtle. In reality it can be the same, to say it "can be" sounds a little reassuring - like a chemistry class but we know what we are doing or how to control things now we are of a certain age - that's a mistake to be that reassuring. We should be ready to drop always. Not to submit to the devil, but to drop in being tortured, and, if then we live, hopefully learn to be ready to pick oneself up to proclaim against torture and wrongness and for ways that help oneself and others truly (yet knowing, in the face of torture, one should never think one has past the concept of it - and more than that it can beat you down even after you have grasped that, even if you think you are strong). And you should know that there certainly are devil worshippers active in their lives in how they worship the devil to torture god and human beings. It is common sense, if you work it out, to be aware that these persons will have infiltrated into high, esteemed positions in the purported edifice of the health of people's minds. Such a system not only attracts such people as it is easy for them, but attracts people who do care and who aren't evil to in ways they can't really control, become harmful.

Do you think, or would you still think after some time of consideration, these last suggestions are madness or just a wild opinion, or perhaps even a valid opinion as with each opinion, each being only an opinion? Don't take my word for it. Why, millions and millions of people today and for years before take it as absolute bread and butter in their lives. For it is why this earth is. The earth and our lives on earth would not be but for the one single purpose for, the one single function of, the one single reason for the earth. And that is final selection for the rest of eternity. If you dissolve truly and purely what most of the world's largest religions proclaim, it is this. Not just Christianty, one of the largest religions. And, as I mentioned, for many who rise day after day, it is more basic than bread and butter. Though these people won't tell you if they meet you in the street, probably. I am not religious, but I know the truth of this place which is filled with symbols like the running water symbolising endlessness - just like the cycle of sun, water evaporation and precipitation. The symbol of so much varied and verdant life on the surface of the earth, in this most serious place of eternity, only miles, sometimes around a mile from locations, physical locations of such immense heat that would be torturous beyond belief to humans - so close are we to the proverbial fires of hell at all times also, that a person should always respect himself or herself with great carefulness. Always.

A final thing I want to be noted is that people who think these kind of illnesses have chemical explanations only are deluded. Even people who think that something like hyper- / hypo- glycaemia chemical imbalances in the body somewhere, or similar, are actually an 'explanation' for such sickness, are mistaken. The devil is very fast on all. And he can prey through those who do not not admit what he is doing. Seeking to claim knowledge of one "answer" in this way is playing god and thus supporting the devil in his process toward "denying human" and stamping out what each individual human is: e.g. "there are no demonic forces, or no demonic forces at work, pull yourself together and realise there is just a chemical imbalance with your brain". This even denies the part of the human's spirit during the possession, during the illness itself, just as the devil wants. Is one supposed to write off even the possessed experience, is it null and void as it was just chemical imbalance? Experience is experience you see - western medical edifices try to tell us that we can have a wrong experience of our lives that must be corrected. Western medical mental health either does not value the truth that the person is the person during the illness or tries to sidestep that the person is spiritually demonically possessed. The whole event goes through the process of being very much undervalued while a kind of fictional interpretation is urged, forced upon sufferers and relatives and friends - the undervaluing is in what it is that is happening to the person, and the person him or her self and also the existence of spiruality in the world - the very context, a timely context, is to deny that at a critical time. Even logic alone tells us that the edifice has it wrong.

In essence, if you might consider the system is something good which has just made mistake after mistake but can be put on the right track again, it is trying to say the same thing as the truth - the truth that this is possession - you will se that as it is now, it is very bad, it is very wrong.

Posession or the illness is bad in the sense of it is evil entities attacking a person and other persons through this person. The western mental health treatment world portrays the ilness as bad for the person, a bad thing in terms of something unfortunate which has no meaning in itself, from a person's chemical imbalance or developed retardedness (which is just a way, intended or not to cover up ongoing demonic possession). But medical people assume the only answers, being a chemical thing, and /or the recent experiences of the patient (often of course, just more, earlier, symptoms of demonic possession itself, which are held as the part of the reason for the disturbance - which can at times be parly true). But crucially, though this latter idea is central in western mental health and is more sensible, it is put out of a spiritual context in assessment and remedying, and put in ridiculous behavioural models frameworks. (Indeed the contact with western medicine at this point is the very thing which lifts lives from their spiritual dimensions, normal lives, into fictional sterilised, clinical, ignorant, wrong ways. A kind of dive of faith in educated people into a way of being which doesn't in fact exist because it is meaningless, yet still 'it', something, new and strange and if not wrong then certainly very far from fully right because it denies the biggest parts of life, though things may seem hazy, does exist.)

This treatment experience can so easily be the very process of denying the actual spirit of the person at the very time when they need the specificity of self with no knowing for what could one know, the wonder and openness and not knowing and not even beginning to claim one could know that should much more easily lead to healing and redeeming in presence of the spirit. It is true that many mental heath professionals do try to be spiritually aware for patients help, but the nature of the edifice is against it, and I don't doubt that most patients sense this in their very treatment experiences. It is no light thing, please be aware. It is kind of everything as regards many patients.

If you get ill like this, do pray, but try to seek as much spritual experiences as you can with loving, unassuming people, priests, healers, spirtual advisers. There are many who charge very significant amounts of money for this, it is a well paid job, but there can be found those who will help you for free. It is true that you can not guarantee you will be healed by any means.

I realise there are beautiful people in the Western mental health edifice who try so much every day to take other people from sicknesses, which can be terrible, awful sicknesses. And what I state in the very long post above does not at all need to suggest, because of its truth alone, that many people can not have and have not had very positive experiences in mental health treatment and have been helped very much. I know people have been helped very much.

Further it's of course evident that a context of genuine people (the professionals), when fully genuine at all times, seeking to help people who are really troubled in their consciousness, is something in itself that can bring about help. Even for people who can't be helped, they need to be cared for. Whether it is that it is most likely that a person should not be able to be free because of a strong, evidenced likelihood of hurting other people and / or destroying things, or a person simply is personally too troubled to be on their own, the context of other fully genuine (at all times) persons helping them in a very enlightened way is something that can bring healing.

Don't forget that I'm talking about demonic possession when I say troubled. And that highlights the problem with the edifice - it is taking the person away from spiritual help, in my experience away from spiritually regenerating help, away from the potential of educational help. The Care in The Community developments of recent years are a very good thing. Mental ward imprisonment is not just in the most part a denial for the needed spiritual help very frequently, there is very little other kind of help or inspiration. Not only that, the people who I saw, allowed to go to a tiny gym once a week for a short while (when they are in or beside a coridor bed 24 hours a day) played up to it and made it a huge thing just as the dopey staff did. Everything was about the weekly visit the to gym (often turing out to be a fortnightly thing because for wahtever reason it just didn't happen, often at the last minute). "So, what we have is a visit to the gym and that should really help you .. " etc., "how did you enjoy the gym visit, did you find that helped your state of mind" - everything was about this 45 minutes, supposedly every week. It wasn't surprisng to see the patients treat this and similar experiences in a "when in Rome" way - as if terrorised into shouting about it, as if the staff were "mentally ill" (I could not disagree) though it seemed evident to me the patients were being sarcastic and obviously desparate at the same time. And this kind of experience itself, how the wards are, is very, very troubling to fresh genuine patients - they realise it is a horror book and fit in.

The more people who are locked up in a dingy, dirty place (in all of my experiences) with little fresh air, no freedom to roam, no health and wellbeing options, like having a sauna or swimming (maybe even the option of having a cool or warm shower during the day also denied), the worse things would be. These are places I describe, in the U.K., my country, which are likely to make any sane person who was staying there, very troubled. Just this evening I took a steam cabin experience, and I was amazed afterwards at how much it cleared my head and how much better and more relaxed my consciousness was. It's a common experience for those who take such therapeutic experiences, labelled as health and wellness experiences in hotels and leisure clubs.

To suggest that each centre with mental health wards really, really, really ought to have a sauna, steam room, jacuzzi and cool dipping pool and its own few fitness machines would have doctors sympathising with you but kind of not taking you seriously. For where would they find the funds? My suggestion is ridiculing the whole of society, the governments for not seeing what is necessary in the current (wrong) edifice, but an edifice which seems is not going to go away short of radical revisionism. This is at a time when revisionism and principled campaigning often seems to have largely died in the Western world. So perhaps "in the meantime", governments appear to me to be commiting forms of torture for not taking mental health wards seriously. Where else would it be such a very good idea, the best place, the most relevant place you can think of, for these wellbeing and leisure facilities than in mental health wards where nearly nothing ever takes place during patients stays? (One woman I met was there for 19 years, never, ever leaving the ward, she was not old or phsyically disabled or infirm, she used to be a model and this still quite showed).

There ought to be libraries of books and videos, lots of them especially chosen for spiritual wellbeing enablement and re-education. There ought to be music lessons, art lessons (rather than just 'paint a mug' sessions week after week), things which really value and develop the person rather than near totally condascend to the essences of their beings. The latter was, very nearly totally, what I experienced. And there ought to be resident (full time) spiritual helpers in each ward.

The last thing to say in this further post is that where drugs do work, I am not averse to them being used, certainly not always. It's just that the whole edifice, as well as what it denies including the basis of demonic possession, seeks to claim that it knows things unknowable about other persons minds, and frequently gives an answer as brain chemistry, when really brain work is mostly guess work. I don't doubt it always will be. So the edifice retorts - but we find things, we find clearly identifiable medical-chemical and actual physically provable elements which show that chemistry is to blame, and show that "schizophrenia" is not demonic possession of the sprit. You know, that's often how the devil (or they, the devil incorporated) does / do things.

Far from just the collection of noted sicknesses unhelpfully referred to as "schizophrenia", this whole world is in very, very, very significant part a swamp of delusions - human delusions connecting one thing with another, which the devil facilitates. Never assume. Even after all. That is - all.

interested3- if you really feel the way you do about this subject. What are you/we doing about it? I am in complete agreement and I live in the US. It's not just the wards in the US, its the prisons the workplaces. People have lost their way here in the US.

We have churches every couple blocks yet the majority of people still cannot figure out their problems.

If it is possible to start a mental health institution that is spiritually based I would do so. There is to much opposition to getting something like that started.

in the end, it is God's will be done.

I appreciate very much what you are saying, Jrocko67. There ought to be much action. Personally, I am not in a position to do anything at the moment, though I do hope to get myself into a position where I can at least try.

One ought to remember that what I call 'the edifice' often not only thinks in the way I have described, but this very way of being is also invalidating the true position, threateningly, against truth and human rights.

How many people have been held (agreeably or against their will) in mental asylums in the west, or in other places in the world, stating exactly what 'the edifice' describes as a "paranoid" delusion of the system being against them? Or, it is expressed, "paranoidly" claiming that people who they express are trying to help them are actually against them, in something which seems to the patient very like a conspiracy? And then to go an mentioning 'demons' in people's head - why if you were the patient that can often be the very essence of virtually signing the doctors forms to keep you in an asylum for another few months or a year against your will.

What you say "in the end, it is God's will be done" is only a mere wish or a dream unless it is solidly visible. A wish or a dream which so many people have, but, as you say, so few have done much about and, perhaps, there appears little foreground or preparation for action. Saying there is too much opposition to do anything is very understandable, very much indeed, but at the end of the day it's just a greater symptom of the ailment of 'the edifice' itself. Bear in mind we are talking about evil or 'the devil' and 'demons' here, and a system which can often work against human souls and spirits and minds, in a way supporting the devil. It's just as true to say it's terribly, terribly frightening or offputting to think about going about anything to do something to help here, as it is true to say it is absolutely imperative that much is done.

I will try to find the details I must have somewhere of the professional in western mental health, whom I mentioned above, whose lecture I went to. That lecture was inspiring. I went to it with hope but little expectations, as the lecture itself was the annual city medical institution sponsored lecture. I suppose I expected something in the way of "much good has been done but there is room for improvement". The lecturer spent a long time in high, high sarcasm lambasting what he knew of the western mental health edifice of nearly all of his years of experience, really tearing it to utter shreds absolutely. I was most surprised and stirred.

The other thing is that, unfortunately, churches, religions, are full of categorical errors. I am not religious though I know that much of the basic awareness of the western religions is true. Religions can be prescriptionist, alienating, weird, and downright enigmatic such that a person subscribing to a religion for 6 months could leave feeling there is little relevance to their life. And many more negative things; for example - patronising while not in full enlightenment - that kind of experience requires great, great awareness and sympathy in full consciousness to deal with well and at the end of the day you're only sympathising with the priest or minister and going greatly out of your way to take in something possibly quite obvious to you. It can be like that (I have found it most, most often is.) And it can be a wonderful experience to be a member of a religion.

However, religions are to do with the soul and the spirit as well as the mind - and the biggest western religions and many other religions are aware, truly, that there is the truth of god and of being and that there are forces, really, really serious forces against that - evil. The western mental health world seldom deals with notions such as evil. But that really is greatest part of the problem they are seen to be dealing with.

Here you have the truth - western medicine has a vested interest in keeping people from knowing themselves spiritually.

For as long as psychiatrists can convince you that your illness is chemical (in your brain) and not spiritual, they will have a hold over you and your finances.

You will never know the root cause of your suffering if you believe in their medications. You will be kept alive but dead on the inside. Kept in perpetual stupor or suspended animation through the drugs and a prisoner to your own corruption.

But hey, you know what - you thoroughly deserve to suffer because you refused to believe and never loved the truth which was there to heal, save you and break your chains.

You poured scorn on the cross, were hardened and stubborn in your ways, preferring a lie to the truth, even though good men who cared for your souls and loved you were happy to die for what you now consider to be fiction.

I am unaware of any documented case of possession or exorcism where the victim had awareness of the demon that possessed them. It is in fact a sign that an exorcism has been successful if the victim is disoriented or lost because they are awakening in a different time of day or dress then they last remember. When a Demon is at the wheel you are there, you do not hear, see, or feel anything. If you are hearing voices, conversing with voices, whatever they may be, they are not from a demon that is in possession of you.

I believe in the Bible and I believe in the existance of the foul creatures..There are Chritian books that describe these hellish beings..I don't discuss them unless a topic like this comes up..

They are on this earth and will continue to multiply..They are like tentacles that attach and after awhile people begin to feel worn down and they hear the demonic laughter and pain of the attachement..Every ugly mood/act in this world is an attachement..

I believe that when God had arisen from the grave and was done he went back to heaven he said the devil would live on the earth unil his return-where he and all his demons would bethrowninto the lake of fire..No-I can't give you the exact scripture as It is hard for me to remember except what God wants me to in this..

We are all given choices that is what God said..We have a choice to believe in him or not..He has given us the bible words to fall back on to help us through..Each person will get what they need from it..(If their heart is open)..

No Until God returns and deals with the demons forever then it is people in strong faith that can help deal with these creatures..

I am not one much on religion as people religiously do many things including brushteeth..
But by Faith walk with God..He said it takes only a mustard seed of faith to move a mountain..Sometimes faith is smaller than that..

I am not a debater I can only tell from my heart..I spoke with someone earlier this morning saying I have been having dreams where I am told that God has said to listen..So I am listening..God said in the last days that he there would be people having dreams and young and old alike proclimaing his love..Many did not listening when he walked this earth and many will not listen now..

Am I crazy think what you like but I assure you that will not change anything in God's plans..

Am I sleep deprived-Yes I am..Does that change anything-no-but there will be some who will say see there she admits she is exhauseted and seeing/hearing things..No different now than when God lived on the earth..I believe he still walks with us spiritually so I am happy in that....If you do not believe and want a chance to understand call out to him..Open your heart to him..Time is too short to not..
kd

I have to disagree with you suggesting that there is a single way of recognising demonic possession. In fact in can be seen in limitless ways.

In fact it usually isn't even seen, and now I'm not talking about people who are patients of mental health treatment (generally). However, I'm talking about persons all over the world possessed in ways that they may be aware of (I guess most are), or may not be - ways which limit them as persons, which prevent them from being the full person they would be, or ways which torture them somehow. I communicate this to give an idea of how widespread demonic possession is - in ways that are generally unseen or not certainly seen, and I'm not linking this with what I wrote earlier about the mental health world, as this is seldom anything to do with that. Most people would never say, they just cope as best they can. For most people it is not a case of being clearly something that the mental health world would usually be seen to deal with.

There is much unrecognised demonic possession.

ALSO - I wanted to write - Palaton above suggests it's all about money. But I think the truth is much worse than that. Because most people, helathcare professionals and intending healthcare workers if they were themselves, if they were well and fine and seeing as they would wish to, would place human wellbeing, happiness and health well above getting their money from allegedly helping in human wellbeing, happiness and health. The sad fact is that these people just don't seem to have the choice, that it is very hard for them to do what their better instincts would so much prefer. The sad fact is it is something worse than personal desires for money that is driving the sick system. I can't stress enough how inspiring the lecture I talked about was and every time that a healthcare pro. stands out this way, stands out for goodness, for the human soul over a clearly inappropriate system, it is so inspiring.

Hate,anger,jealously,greed are all demons in their own way.As a human being,you have choices.You can only change what you are not who you are.Religion is a choice,and theirs so many to choose from its no wonder people are confused.Lets face it,people who claim to be in touch with God have commited horriable crimes against humanity. They used relgious texts and twisted them into what they needed to, so they could do what they wanted. We all are in control of ourselfs. God in any religion can only guide us, we as humans make the choice. Honestly most everybody over the age 12 understands right from wrong.Before you run to sombody for answers ask yourself first. I have heard, its not what goes into a person that defiles them, its what comes out.

Replying to randar saying 'As a human being, you have choices'. I used to think very much the same way. But really the description you gave only describes well human beings. In modern societies in the most developed countries, I find it hard to equate the notion of the freedom of choice that I once did with most persons. It seems, as Phillip Larkin wrote in "Afternoons", "something is pushing them to the side of their own lives". It is hard to accept that most people really have free choice, or even cogniscence to know what they want in the modern world. The modern world seems very fake - like many people are living a theme park ride, quite or very possessed demonically such that they can't control themselves.

It appears to be the lack of the true spirit in so many beings. Basically possession by evil forces in many ways - the effect being the kind of reality that used to be talked about in days gone past by the 'changeling' legends. [The most noticable of these, and crucially those cases which pose a threat to the apparent status quo, are labelled under the quite wide umbrella term of "Schizophrenia cases". But what I am saying is that these are only the kind of high profile, or rather 'attributed' cases, when there are so many which aren't of the type to be recorded - and this includes people actually working in the spiritless, spirit stealing, spirit denying meental healthcare edifice]]

As I am nothing but one subject, I can't claim this is anything other than my own impression. But in my later years, I personally seem to have experienced this inability to choose myself and it (it's a very frightening thing) perhaps seems to explain other people's detatchedness from humanity which I have experienced throughout my life. I describe my inability to act despite knowing that acting in the way chosen inside oneself, a way desired, is really me, really the self but something - I don't know what - totally, totally, totally prevents me from acting in that way. There is no way, whatever is tried. And that seems demonic to me, a thing of possession by demonic forces, as I suppose many are possessed, but it wouldn't show to other people.

It's good though that you say that human beings have choices. It's what ought to be, and it's good to remind people - to state the basic facts which ought to be available - which are available to well persons. Because in a situation where people are prevented from acting how they really would like or love, it can only make things worse not to talk about this or to pretend that there is never the choice of will, when it ought to be a basic reality.

It is really, really important to say that I do not know anyone else's mind. That would be stepping a large way into the chasm which seems, at least to some degree, to be one fatal flaw of modern mental health treatment. But having experienced, quite suddenly and totally, the inability to act as desried, one does just wonder if it isn't a widespread thing, and experiencing it one may guess, just guess, at why people seem to act in ways what they would never, ever have chosen to act years before.

*** The other thing to say in response to Randar's saying that people over 12 know right from wrong - there's really no answer. The people who are demonically possessed are controlled, and it may actually be by their own choosing (devil worship) or not and people would argue even if it were by their own choosing they were not of sound mind - were possessed anyway before that. The films about demonic possession usually suggest that this is something beyond the control of the possessed victim totally. Religions suggest that the devil infests a completely innocent beingg when a demonic possession occurs. Yet also, the truth is possibly that "the devil" is a body of persons, alive, dead and unborn yet. These persons (in various levels) of the devil are distinct from those innocent possessed persons? I venture yes, but it's an estimate. How coud it be known? But the estimate that this is true makes one aware of the difficulty of coping with torturous acts by others and dealing with those persons. Who said we ought to deal with them? Religions profess that people should be left alone to act, that this is a place of being judged for how we act. And maybe persons can, in good enlightenment, try to help. And maybe no help can be given.

It's true also that there is a sickness in thinking that we can "tie up everything" - moderate, limit, control persons of socity's behaviour, or even in the moral reckoning that that is for the best. One's own business is one's own business and most often that is all one should know. Naturally the mental health world has to have a more involved position - but it should always be very near to that wisdom of the last sentence, totally.

The sadness and scariness of this topic is the reality of it .. Have you ever wondered what is happening when war breaks out, when treaties are threatened and ignored..What happens when someone is in the throws of anger and someone is molested, tortured or killed..What happens when a conversation turns and you wonder where in the world did that come from..When an innocent remark goes astray and anger builds..When all the sudden someones eyes turn cold and the anger flows..What happens when a normalcy returns and the person says Oh My God what happened, what have I done..

I believe the cause is demonic and there is much glee when it occurs..Should that person still be prosecuted, unfortuantely yes, as at some point a person knows things must stop if even for a second, a choice I beleive is there to be had..

Some will agree and others not-the outer realm of our seeing where demons reside,I believe plays havoc and will blow out of preportion what we see and hear or eyes will be opened..Either way my understanding and beliefs are my own and I have learned to pray when escalation of events are in play..

As humans upon this earth we are open to the attacks that come from all direction..I honeslty believe that only prayer will change what is happening..I know that ugliness will enter a churchs doors riding on the coat arm of it's host..Many times I think the travel in is made easier as the church and it's family are not covered in prayer..This I think explains how too often people will say why go when they are worse than others as they proclaim to be christians and just look..k

I've never been possessed, but I have spoken with an exorcist and read into the practice. I can tell you that the Church of Rome doesn't accept that Demons are in communication with the possessed. If you're not Catholic your faith may have different opinions about the operation of demons.

I suppose you mean that a possessed person is not in control of themselves at all and is not to blame at all and is not to be linked with the actual behaviour and state of the person.

That's what I understand usually.

I didn't make it clear above, I referred to something else, a very different thing (I suppose) but within the same sentence without making that explicit. The other thing is that there are people who invoke the devil into themselves. Many people will, at least at first, agree that this is very, very different to not doing anything to invoke evil forces in the self and not wanting to be possessed by evil forces. But other people would argue that it is not very different as the person in the first place, invoking the devil is possessed already. There are devil worshippers on this earth, there really are, and there are many who go along with the business of evil forces. It would be nice to think there is an easy answer that devil worshippers are merely as possessed as any possessed person already - in the first place. I don't know if that can be known.

I suppose also that the reply above is saying that the R.C. element of Christianity states that there is never a choice - never any agreement between the individual and a demon. Even if the individual is acting to worship the devil. (However, aside, that kind of conflicts with the prevalent notion of earthly life as a a place of selection for the afterlife which the R.C. church is in agreement with mostly.) It can be difficult enough to truly know or, some people say 'find', oneself.

Stan is completely right you need to go on a gluten free,carbohydrate free diet and take your meds until you feel better.Demons schemons-it is all hogwash!..My sister has been struggling with this for over a year and at first we thought she was psychic or maybe that she was possesed but after a lot of research and heartache we now all know that schizophrenia is a disease, a terrible disease which is caused by a biological factor.It seems the intestine is damaged and this is making the carbohydrates and sugar turn into opiates that travel in the brain and act like a drug.The gut produces over 70% of the brain's neurotransmitters,it is literally your second brain.You must try to heal your gut,so get off all sugar and carbohydrates and starchy vegetables,avoid all processed foods and have plenty of probiotics.
We all have bacteria living inside our body,but in schizophrenics,these bacteria have somehow got a stronghold and they are producing a whole lot of nasty stuff .