Has anyone ever taken this and it helped
them? I have had 2 different docter try
to make me take this...I have taken on the
scheduled bases and it was like I was
taking water! No help what so ever!!
Then he tried to prescribe oxycodone!
Which I thought was a big step up and I
told him I did not want to take that!!!
Is there not anything in the middle of
thease two that would be better to take?
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Tamadrummer
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Zephyrhills,Fl
Posted: 04-08-06 09:14am
Hydrocodone is in the middle of those as
well as codine. The codine is not very
strong and the hydrocodone is stronger but
if you are in pain it will help.
Some of the trade names for hydrocodone
are: vicodan/lortab/vicoprophin
the first 2 are compunded with tylenol and
the last is compounded with ibuprophin.
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prodaytrader
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 May 2006 Posts: 5
Posted: 05-01-06 03:27am
Hydrocodone, norco, whatever you call it
is the middle ground. There are many
forms and quantities to choose from. You
can start low and get larger dosages up to
about 10mg from a conventional doctor and
15mg from a pain clinic that has their own
pills made. The ultram or tramdol is the
same pill with one being name brand the
other being generaic. They have the same
active ingredient which is not codine.
It does work for some people but usually
its for mild pain and rarely works for
back pain, I have found. I took have
taken it, but at about 900 times the
strength prescribed before it would work.
Once you get the first bottle I believe
the doctor fully expects you to call the
next day and get something stronger. By
the way, good choice on holding off on the
oxy. You have to be super carefull on
that stuff, as you will also find on the
hydro's but you will have more control
with the hydro's.
Warning: the only warning on the hydro is
the acetaminophen which you will clearly
find labeled as the second number on your
script. Your doc will likely start you
off with something like 2.5/750. The
lower number is the codine amount and the
higher number is the acetaminophen amount.
I believe that anything more then 4gm of
acetaminophen will cause liver failure.
So at 750 mgs' you can only take 5.3 per
day. That is about 1 per 5 hours or so
and no more or you risk liver failure.
You will find that this is a very easy
number to get to very fast. As such, if
you take more, need more, then you doc
will have to lower that second number, so
that you can get more codine into your
system. The combo of the two supposedly
work well together, but for sure one of
the main reasons they love to keep it in
there is so that you will throw up when
you take too many. You will find that
taking more then needed will cause you to
be very nausious. Thats because of the
acetaminophen. Dont be suprised to find
out that the 2.5's stop working all that
well if you take them for more then a few
months. If they no longer work for you
and you need to take more, then either get
the doc to drop the acetaminophen to 500
or 325 or get him to up the hydro part to
5mg/750. In all honesty you should take
as little as the acetaminophen as is
needed. Its the hydro part your after
for the pain relieve the other part is
just tylenol. Who the heck takes tylenol
for serious back pain.
Hold off on the oxy until you have run
through the hydro circuit, if you even
need to take it that far.
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Tamadrummer
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Zephyrhills,Fl
Posted: 05-01-06 05:50am
Hydrocodone will probably do you fine and
if you do not have the propensity to
abuse, you will not have any problem
following the prescriptions orders.
As far as taking too much tylenol, there
is sufficent evidence that if you are
taking even 2000 mg/day for a long time,
you can irriverseibly damage your liver
and basically die. The doctor will be
required to test your blood on a fairly
regular basis or change your prescription
to either a formulation of pure
hydrocodone which can be had at a
compounding pharmacy, at that point the
doc can prescribe amount up to 100 mg of
hydrocodone with no tylenol because the
pharmacy makes the compounded pill on
site.
Another option will be the obvious,
percocet/combunox the first is
oxycodone/tylenol and the latter is
oxycodone/motrin, that is a much stronger
medicine than hydrocodone but if you are
going to a pain doc, they have a much
larger arsenol in their possesion and can
try differing amounts of morphine/
dihydramorphone/oxycodone/hydrocodone/fent
anyl, and there are truly many others!
Always remember, let the doc be the doc
when going for pain treatment and always
be receptive to their method of treatment,
don't just allow them to do whatever they
want but if they seem to have a real plan
of care in mind, let them do their thing
and see if they are helping. You are the
only person that will know if it is
working but they will know too if it is
not working and if you end up using all of
your prescription medicine too soon in the
month and need higher quantities each
month, they will flag you and cut you off
as fast as your hed can spin.
If you are prescribed narcotic pain
medicine, use only as prescribed and all
prescription say: "as needed for pain" not
every x hours and dont miss a dose.
Good luck and hopefully we can help you
out along the way,
brian