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Q: What to Do? I Just Don't Understand This Woman
asked by: guyphx on March 30th, 2006
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Well it's really hard to explain how I feel right now. I just finished my conversation with my girlfriend/friend or I don't know how to call it anymore (you'll help me decide later when I explain), and I really have no idea what to do. Am I to be dissapointed in myself, in her, in relationships in general or what, I don't know, but I do know that i'm just sad and trying to deal it.

Please take some time to read my story and try to give your objective opinion.

Here's my situation:

as I was growing up overseas and I met this girl (let's call her jane). She has a sister, and 6-7 years ago, we all met while on vacation. After a while we started being friends, and I started being attracted to jane's sister. I was younger then and as everyone, attracted to more energetic girls. I was spending more and more time with both of them and got inside their family completely, meaning that I really felt comfortable when I spend time there. And they were super girls because they were raised in a moral way and had great values.

At that time I really wanted to be with jane's sister and after a while, I realized that being with her would not happen for one reason or another.

Jane, was there all that time and she knew how I felt and she was my friend basically listening to what was going on between me and her sister.

After realizing that all that time what I was looking for was not jane's sister, but jane herself it was too late. I expressed my feelings but she just couldn't get over it although jane really felt strongly about me too. It seemed that I was going for the second prize and there was no way around that. That was most definitely not the case, I was young and I really understood that I liked jane for who she was.

After that I cared about her (jane) a lot and we still remained friends, having that emotional connection but not being involved.

After a year or so, life took me in a new direction and I decided to move to the states. She was very shook up, and on the day I was leaving I kept saying to myself that by moving to a country far away our lives and communication would end and I wanted her to continue living her life without me. I didn't even kiss her.

Well 5 years passed after that and I wasn't involved in a real relationship because I was trying make ends meet in the new country I moved to. During the first 2 years I was in the states, I knew that she kept trying to reach me, through email, by phone, but I kept saying to myself that we would never meet again and that I just couldn't give her what she needed and that she should continue living her life, so I never returned her calls, thinking that would be the best thing. It's important to say that I never stopped caring about her.

She was maybe the only girl I wanted to be with and deep inside everything that I was achieving in the states was maybe in secret hope that I could be with her one day together and share everything. I really didn't know what I wanted.

After 5 years, we started communicating again. She told me she was involved with 3 men over the course of that time, 2 of which she had a night thing and one that she was with for almost 2 years.

Since I missed her and her sister (jane's sister is also a very good friend, but I truly have no feelings toward her), I invited them to come and visit me to the states for 3 weeks. It was a really exciting thing, I missed them, and both jane and I were wondering how we're going to feel when we see each other.

Well they came over, and we realized that the connection was still there, but jane changed a lot. She was not shy, she was much more self-confident and we started being snugly and things heated up a bit. We didn't have sex, but we were somewhat sexual with each other and kissed. It was nice, but she really didn't know if she could be with me because I didn't have a relationship for so long and she felt that I was possessive and too emotional. Let me just point out that I really didn't change at all. So that's where I started realizing that a lot of things changed between us and the way she was looking at the whole thing.

She told me that she really cares about me and that she need to think about if we can work.

Time flew by and they had to go back. Due to some airport security thing, we never got a chance to say good bye to each other once again.

When they came home, I talked to her sister on the phone and her sister told me that she was through and that she was really feeling bad emotionally when we didn't say bye to each other and that she was clear with herself that she wanted for us to have a relationship.

After that jane and I kept talking on the phone everyday, she was sending me cell phone messages and we agreed that she would come here again after 3-4 months to stay for about 2 months and be with me.

A few times when we talked on the phone, I was a bit upset about the boyfriend she had, because even though they were through, I guess I was scared that there was always a possibility that two of them could meet again and do something. I wasn't really sure if I knew jane anymore, so I had confidence issues. After a few arguments, I realized that she was right and that I shouldn't obsess about that and just keep going on.

Jane understood, but she told me that me being so emotional and possesive really burdens her and that she also needs some space there. We agreed to keep our communications to some normal level because we both rushed into the whole things too intensely.

I was with that, but I wanted to know whether or not she was still my girl and if she cared about me as much as I cared about her. I didn't want to be with another woman here until she came over and I wanted to see if she would do the same. The important thing to note here is that she had really hard time telling me that she cares about me, that she loves me. This bothered me a bit, because I know how I feel about her.

But I made a compromise and went with it. After a while it started bothering me that she was really nervous about her exams (university) and that this caused her to be very cold to me when I call her on the phone. When she needed to talk to me we spoke for 3 hours, but when I call at those moments, she became very cold, didn't want to talk to anyone and our conversation lasted for about 10 mins.

Now, I just want to let you know that I really don't call her 10 times a day or anything similar. We talk maybe once a day or once every other day on the phone with an ocassional sms message and that I tried to let her deal with her obligations that she has there with her family and school.

Next thing happened a few days ago as her tests are getting closer and closer and when I spoke to her yesterday she told me that me asking why she was so cold to me and wouldn't talk to me, she was very negative and told me that I knew that she was nervous and that she doesn't want to talk to anyone and that me constantly thinking about her, asking how she feels and asking if I did something to deserve it was really bothering her and that she started thinking about not coming again here and that our relationship might not work. She told me that she thought that I would check up on her through friends just to know where she was and that I didn't trust her. Nothing is further from truth.

I am jelaous as any other person about someone you care about, but I really care about her and want the best for her. I tried making compromises and trying to fit in into her life, but it seems that was not enough.

After this last conversation, it was clear that we were through, she wasn't sure if she wanted to see me and after a few more words I realized that she wasn't uncertain, she already decided. When I asked her when, she told me a week ago. After a few more silent moments, I told her that I will never stop caring about her and that she needed to talk to me all she needed was to send me an sms. This is how our last conversation ended.

I am very sad at this moment and dissapointed in myself. I guess I had illusions about this girl, being so close to her family to her, that we were perfect for each other. But it seemed that I wasn't good for her.

Please girls and guys, let me know what you think about this whole thing. I'm sorry for such a long post, but I guess this is my only way to truly share my story and feelings with someone. It's hard to talk to someone in this way.

Thanks for reading.
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Spirit
replied on March 31st, 2006
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Give her time off...No contact, this will give her plenty of time to think. She'll be able to decide once and for all, is she happier with you or without you?, is she mature enough to make a long distance relationship work?Etc....You may not like the final answer...But at least you have an answer, right? It's better to know now than to be left twisting in the wind.
It's a shame cause it sounds like you lost 2 friends.....But you will recover and go on with your life. :)
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Melissa_20
replied on March 31st, 2006
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You two are opposite with your feelings.Youlet tyhem out and she holds them in.It's the same thing with my b/f but you know what someone told me? You can change yourself but you can't change them,they have to want to and do it themselves.You can work your self into her life so it's easier for her but there will come a pointe where you've done all you can do and thats it.Once you feel like you have done all you can,it's over b/c your the only one in the relationship willing to change to make things work.
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Morning_Glory
replied on April 2nd, 2006
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You are feeling insecure because of the distance between you and her and you are overcompensating. You have to trust her.

As for her moodiness, its exam time. She is busy with assignments and tests, I know when I was in college I did not want to be bothered by anyone! When I did have some free time, I wanted to just curl up on the couch with ice cream and a good movie, a time to be by myself for myself!

Your story sounds like it might be one of true love. You and jane need to have an honest talk (after exams are done) about how you are feeling about each other and if there is a possible long term future together. If you and her agree that you both really care about each other and want a future together, you and her will find a way to make it work.

The best relationships and marriages are the ones that started out as really good friends. In the meantime, why not just send a simple card wishing her best of luck with her exams. (maybe include cookies, I loved getting cookies when I was in school).
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guyphx
replied on April 3rd, 2006
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in the meantime, why not just send a simple card wishing her best of luck with her exams. (maybe include cookies, I loved getting cookies when I was in school).


i sent her a text message a few days ago where I wished her best of luck with her exams. That was the last time I communicated to her. I would send cookies of course, but the distance between us is too great, I just don't know how to get that done. It's pretty impossible.

I guess why all of this is so hard on me is because I just feel that I lost friends to begin with. I was so close with them, with her (their) mom and dad and all that. And now, I just don't get any communication with her or her family. I guess that's why it hurts even more. I care about her that I would still be their friend even if we couldn't work out. Just because I know that her family are great people and they live a hard life in general.
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rosy_chick_4u
replied on April 3rd, 2006
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melissa_20 wrote:
you two are opposite with your feelings.Youlet tyhem out and she holds them in.It's the same thing with my b/f but you know what someone told me? You can change yourself but you can't change them,they have to want to and do it themselves.You can work your self into her life so it's easier for her but there will come a pointe where you've done all you can do and thats it.Once you feel like you have done all you can,it's over b/c your the only one in the relationship willing to change to make things work.


hey,
sorry about whats going on with you but just what melissa said you ca change yourself but not them they need to want too. Look ive been with this guy for almost 2 years I know nothing cvomapred to your relationship, but he kinda sound like jane. One day hes all cool and wants to try thing for us, but then when other things come up for example her exam; his job he ends up putting me to the side and acting like a totally jerk. I know I havce been thru an emotional rollercoaster with him. But like you I never lost hope. You see you can only offer so much and then they need to put some effort too not just you.
Look it seems to me that shes really jus confused.Mayb her exam jus brought the worst inhere so she let out on yyou because you were ther. You knmow I have a feeling shell come around eventually she realize, and see she needs to appreciate you. You see how years passed and then you guys got back together that shows something. In my opinion dsont ket her be you prime priority I know that sounds bad but if she needs her time, then you take it too. Think about the whole situation and look at the good/bad points> make sure you really want this and your not fighting for an obsssesion, or something that maybe will never be. You know what I mean. Dont stop yourself from dating beacuse you closing you options
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Morning_Glory
replied on April 4th, 2006
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I agree. Take this time and get on with your life, don't be sitting around obsessed and depressed. Jane will probably come around eventually, maybe during summer break. You can stay in touch with the family if you are on good terms with her parents, don't make a pest of yourself but an occasional letter asking how the family is and an update on community events that kind of thing or sending birthday greetings, etc.

Give jane her space and you take yours and when you do get a chance to talk to her it will be about something other than how much you've missed her and done nothing but feel lonely. By getting out there and doing things you make yourself a better person and become more attractive to other people.
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guyphx
replied on April 4th, 2006
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Well I just wanted you kind girls to have an update on the situation.

After 5-6 days of not communicating I sent her a short text message where I asked her if she could find some time after the exams to talk to me on the phone but it's fine if she didn't feel up to it.

She sent back the sms that sounds like this:

"i'm sorry, but there's no real need to talk about this anymore. It's best that we don't talk to each other for some time".

So I got my closure I guess. It's definitely not working and I am going on with my life. I care about her a lot, and what bothered me I guess is that she will be with someone else, maybe even that last guy she was with. It still hurts, but at least I know that she's through with me and I can carry on.

I just couldn't understand that with someone who I haven't seen for 5 years, we had some feelings for each other then, and then saw her for about 20 days until she left and she obviously had feelings here too, needs this much space from me. I guess, if she really cared about me, she would understand. I haven't changed at all in this time, but obviously she did.

The bottom line is that I don't know if I could be with her anymore if she was with someone else at this point and after a while she somehow realizes or something that she needs me. Even though I love her, I don't think I can ever recover in that way. If you love someone, or care dearly other people just don't interest you in that way. If she can be with someone else, that means that she doesn't feel strong enough for me, right?

I might be horribly wrong. The good thing is that i'm looking at this as definite end and I will try to see other girls. I just can't think about this anymore. She will always be the one I love in this way, however I don't think I can open myself next time for this all over again.
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Morning_Glory
replied on April 4th, 2006
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Big hugs,
maybe she doesn't want a long distance relationship. She might be in a place in her life where she needs someone that can be there physically to take her out, spend time with her doing things, etc. Its really hard to do that over distance.

I know you really care about her but you might want to give some of the girls around where you are living a chance at the very least at being your friends.

Good luck to you!
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younghealthy
replied on May 10th, 2006
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Are You Ok Now?
Hi! I just joined this forum and read your problem with your ex-gf? Or should I say you both decided to stay together?

U both ok now? :)
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guyphx
replied on May 22nd, 2006
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hi! I just joined this forum and read your problem with your ex-gf? Or should I say you both decided to stay together?

U both ok now? :)


not really :) we are not together anymore. The bottom line is that she didn't feel enough passion between us. It was actually more her then me. She felt it was more like best friend/brotherly love then sexual. In any case that ended maybe a month ago and I continued living my life.

I do love her still and will never stop loving her, however even if she one day changes her mind it will be too late. I just don't think that I could allow myself to be with her and possibly go through the whole thing again.

We did remain friends, I can't hate her if she doesn't feel the passion that needs to be there with couples and i'm very close with her and her whole family. Life goes on I guess, as they say.

Thanks for asking though.
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