Once You Kill An Unborn Human Life, Its Dead.

they are very relevant. Abortion is not a simple issue with a singular concern. No-one denies that a z/e/f is alive or what happens at conception

and? I don't see anyone denying this, perhaps using the correct biological terms instead of emotional dribble, but no denial.

from what I can gather it's a pretty meaningful court decision.( note the abortion act wasn't 'some court decison'). Abortion was happening for a long time before either of those laws were placed though, they simply allowed access to legal abortion

well, you may believe it's needless, I don't. I don't 'attack' christians, I question everything and religion is no exception to that

sex doesn't necessarily cause pregnancy

i don't have a troubled conscience or guilt

abortion doesn't need to be redefined, it's the termination of a pregnancy and to do so a z/e/f must die.
The words aren't interchangable - "kill" covers a wide spectrum, abortion a slight one.

so, only people having casual sex abort? This would seem to be the implication and, if it is, you're totally wrong

many people, there's no one 'type' of person who aborts

i completely agree. The only issue is whether or not a woman has bodily integrity.

absolutely true. A fungus is alive. A tapeworm is alive.

nope. Absolutely correct. That is entirely the point of abortion. Otherwise, you could just scrape it out, put it in a jar, and feed it jellybeans.

r v w is not an issue for me. But as I understand, it had to do with a woman's right to privacy under the us constitution. As such, it doesn't actually have anything to do with biology, except to assert that a fetus is part of a woman's body. So actually, it is pretty meaningful in stating the obvious.

hardly wanton and needless. You were doing pretty well on facts up until now. Also, I can't understand why you have suddenly brought christians into it. But thank you for permission to attack them.

sex sometimes causes pregnancy. For women. Unfair, isn't it?

Abortion causes the death of an unwanted z/e/f, but saves far more women's lives than it ends. Interestingly, abortion rarely kills men.

not getting this at all, sorry. Do you have a guilty conscience you are needing to get over? No rationalization involved for me. The ending of an unwanted pregnancy is one of the greatest reliefs imaginable.

kill is a very broad word. I have killed goldfish. I have killed houseplants. Abortion is a bit more accurate: removing an unwanted embryo or fetus from the womb which, incidentally, dies as a result. You wouldn't say you "abort" a houseplant, or a slug -- abort means to terminate prematurely.

i'm getting a lot of misogyny out of this. Because men can be as irresponsible as they like, can't they? Men can be as indiscrete as they like. But how dare women have sex because they want to and not just to make babies? I hate to break it to you, but not all women who have abortions are wanton w hores.

well, women who don't want to be pregnant, I guess. How selfish is that, to not want to play incubator to a parasite? How selfish is it not to want to bring a handicapped and deformed being into the world? How selfish is it to say, I need to be able to feed the children I already have?
You saying it is wrong and selfish does not make it so.

i assume you mean pro-choicers and, on that basis, did you actually read the answers? If so, why would you possibly think that pro-choicers don't know that an embryo or fetus dies in the procedure?

I know what abortion does and I know h.O.W it does it so can you please explain what it is that you think I "don't get"?

yes the embryo or fetus dies, the fact that is can only exist within the womans uterus means that it's her choice as to whether this happens. Pregnancy effects her body, it's not all about the fetus.

but sex doesn't always cause pregnancy. There's a difference.

zygote/embryo/fetus - the stages of human biology before birth (and before 'baby' !)

why should we use this emotive language when we can use the correct terms? I could call it an unborn child if you wanted, just to show that I do understand but i'd rather not as it's inncorrect.

Y.O.U try saying z/e/f

but they aren't the ones who get pregnant. So it doesn't matter. It's only women you want to see punished for having sex you don't approve of.

everyone appears to have read it properly and no-one is denying that pregnancy is the result of sex (unless ivf etc..)

it's unfortunate that some couples cannot have children but it's not the responsibility of others to continue their pregnancy for this reason. If a woman choses to have her unwanted child adopted then all credit to her. You should realise though that this isn't always an 'attractive' option

actually, you can. Invitro-fertilization, duh.

i'd rather seen an aborted fetus than a raped and murdered child.

if there are so damn many of them, then why are there so many children in adoption homes with no one wanting them?

stop being stupid. I was saying that if there are "supposedly" so many couples out there who can't conceive, and who want to adopt children, then why are there still so many unadopted kids out there? There should be a high demands for them, but there isn't. Kids are growing up into adults in adoption centers because no one wants them.

I'm saying that the whole "give up the baby for adoption instead of killing it" thing is total bull, because almost no one wants that kid. I've heard infertile, sick-minded women say "i don't want to adopt because I could never love it because it wouldn't be mine."

i agree. But I want to add: it saddens me to see people constantly saying "it doesn't matter, I know what I would do". I used to say the exact same thing. I was so naive to believe that I would never, could never, even *think* about aborting a pregnancy. No matter how strong you think your convictions are (mine were pretty damn strong) you will *never ever ever ever ever!!!!!* know what you will do if you're put into a really bad situation, no matter what the circumstances of said bad situation. You will never know. I can assure you of that. You won't believe me, but it's the truth. People amaze themselves every day... Nothing makes you any different.

i won't deny this...But just because something is a life of human nature, it does not mean the "life" is a person. People may be human, but human doesn't always necessarily mean person.

abortion is not "needless" to the woman who is well aware of the fact that she is not ready for a child or knows she would make an awful parent. Abortion is not needless - it is needed.

yes, that is true...But sex is not the only way for a woman to conceive. There is the option of in-vitro fertilization, or women who will get pregnant after their partner touches their genitals with semen on their hands (the typical story you hear from the teenage girls who freak out about being knocked up).

this had to be the most idiotic part of your post. First of all, how do you know that all abortions occur because of irresponsible sexual habits? You don't think that there are women out there who are responsible enough to utilize contraception? Many women seek abortion as an alternative when their protection fails. Is using protection now deemed "irresponsible"? If so, please elaborate on this matter.

Abortion is, by no means, a selfish act. It is, by far, more humane to terminate the life of an unborn zygote or fetus than to allow it to be born into a world where it will not be wanted or loved. I will assume that you enjoy reading the stories of kids being neglected and abused by their parents who more than likely did not want them, or kids who will grow up in foster homes and get booted out at 18, wondering if anyone loves them.

People play god all the time - whether it's taking cold medicine or having a life-saving surgery. Abortion is a blessing for some women, and I am sick of people putting the life of a potential person that can't see, think, or breathe above the life of the woman who is burdened with a pregnancy that she never wanted. The woman is the one who is breathing and thinking, and is living her life...Not the bloody fetus. The born person should always have more of a reason to exist than a human fetus with the potential of life outside the womb.

I have never heard of a woman getting knocked up intentionally just to get an abortion. From what I know, the procedure can be very painful, both physically and emotionally, and it is not exactly cheap if it's done legally. As much as I hate children, and as sadistic as my mind is, even I would not purposely get myself pregnant just to abort. It's not a pleasing experience.

this is precisely the reason why I find abortion to be both justifiable and humane. Some idiot women think that it's what's in the blood that makes the child theirs, and nothing else. If they would pull their heads far enough out of their arses, they would come to realize that it's the love given to the child by the mother that makes the kid theirs...Not the genes.

i totally agree. You can believe you know what you'd do but, unless actually faced with it, you can never know 100%

i'm not saying it does, idiot. I'm pro-choice too, or did you forget again? Obviously they don't have a right to force women to procreate. And I was trying to bring to light their flawed logic. They think lots of people want these babies but the truth is that almost no one does. So abortion is the better choice, unless the mother herself decides to give it up instead.

because it's that simple and everybody wants to practice abstinence :roll:
the fact is that eople are going to have sex, whether or not they want to have children. It's enjoyable/a way to be intimate with someone/fun - there are many reasons to have sex and procreating is only one of them.

You can make it practically impossible to get pregnant through contraception/timing.

Also, not all abortions are carried out because people don't want children.

That was a very onstructive post, carry on!