I Don't Know If God Is Real Anymore Posted: 02-26-06 14:23pm
I know everyone will think im being
stupid, maybe I am. I don't see how
this great god can exist when there are
loads of bad things going on, like my
friends mum was killed just after he found
out he was going to be a dad. And a
woman I have been closed to for years has
just found out that her husband is dying
from cancer, she has already lost her
daughter to cancer. I just fell caca
all the time and I can't see any good in
this world. I used to go to church
frequently and I even used to sing in the
church band but since then I havnt got the
confidence to sing anymore and I dont feel
I will able to step back into a church.
I don't know what to do, I just feel like
im letting everyone down.
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fatfamily02
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Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Posted: 02-26-06 15:17pm
You made me teary eyed.
I know it is hard to take--the bad things
in this life. But .God can only
intervene for us if we let .Him. The bad
things happen because as christians none of
us do all the things .He asks of
us---and sin is still alive and well in
this world.
.Do not
take any offense to what I am about to
say--i am not pointing a finger at
you--promise
what I mean is.......God cannot help
someone who is speaking negative all the
time--who is living their own self
fullfilled prophecy, he cannot help us,
when our minds are going against all the
good .He would love to lavish upon us,
when we will not get past our own
reasoning to listen to .His still small
voice, .He cannot help us when we doubt
who .He is--or that ".He is a rewarder of
them that diligently seek .Him." we still
all have choice---and when we make dumb
choices ..He cannot help us. Every
choice has a consequence. We have to
ride the situation out--until we hear from
heaven and ".He turns it around to the
good, for them that love .Him and are the
called according to .His purposes." and
on top of all of that---other pple still
have the freedom of choice, and these pple
.He cannot invade on their will. And if
this person is wicked--he will do mur/ders
and rape, and every wicked thing if he is
inclined to do so, and .God cannot stop
his will. .God can however place a
prayer hedge around us,(if we have stayed
in prayer) send angels to protect us(if we
keep our words pure and filled with
truth)---but even negative thinking stops
our angels in their tracks--they are left
helpless to come to our aide--if we do not
speak the words of truth, love, joy and
peace. This is why bad things happen.
1st because sin still lives in this
world--
2nd because .God has given us all freedom
of choice---
3rd because we can and do make stupid
mistakes from time to time---
4th because all the christians in the
world --do not listen to .God's voice all
the time--and do not do all .He has asked
of them.---
5th because even good christians have
negative thoughts and voice them from time
to time--do not stay with pure words on
their lips.---
6th all pple from time to time---forget
.God is in control--and they try and
reason things out--get all wrapped up in
the worry and concern--that they cannot
hear his still small voice--or receive
unto themselves his peace---
i know things are hard to take--life is
just that--life--and there is a world to
come with all the tears and sorrow
removed. There is a place in this life
to find the peace and serenity we need
just to endure. There is a comforter,
who supplies all our needs and if we
diligently seek .Him .He will give us all
our hearts desires. May you find that
place in .Him again I pray. You have
touched my heart--so I know you've touched
the heart of .God and .He just wants to
hold you until all this bad stuff goes
away.
I will continue to pray for you and these
friends and family you have told me
about.
Try and hold your head up and walk
on---"we are king's kids" everything will
all be okay. And do not beat yourself up
for the lack of church or any mistakes you
made or will make---.God accepts you as
you are--with all your mistakes. He knew
you would make these mistakes before you
did--and .He accepted you anyway--at
calvary. .God .Bless you forever--
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w0rldd0minat0r
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Ur Not Stupid At All Posted: 02-26-06 15:28pm
Loads of people ask questions like this I
am 16 and since my depression which has
been on going for 16 years I have
questioned myself about religion:
what I have come up with and ill leave it
short and sweet is that there is no god at
all this is not an opinion coming from
someone who is down hearted. You are
alone in life and u need to live through
it with friends not god. I believe that
god is an idea made up to console people.
You need to work out if having a god is a
part of your life that will help you. I
having been brought up into a christian
family have come out after 16 yrs thinking
its a load of bs I really hope that get
better god may be the way to give u
strength thats how my mum gets thru and it
seems to do her good but I dont believe
there is anyone there... Im sorry life is
so hard for u and I hope u can feel happy
whatever happens....
As to how u started that topic u are not a
stupid person at all I suffer from low
self esteem and it is important not to
think ur self silly in anyway ur question
is quite justified and I think it is
important to question religion...
If ur worried about religion maybe u
havent found the right one just yet it
would be gd to look at them
all>>> sorry that wasnt so short
and sweet
take care, always know there are people
thinking of u and I will
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fatfamily02
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Re: Ur Not Stupid At All Posted: 02-26-06 15:34pm
w0rldd0minat0r
wrote:
loads of people ask
questions like this I am 16 and since my
depression which has been on going for 16
years I have questioned myself about
religion:
what I have come up with and ill leave it
short and sweet is that there is no god at
all this is not an opinion coming from
someone who is down hearted. You are
alone in life and u need to live through
it with friends not god. I believe that
god is an idea made up to console people.
You need to work out if having a god is a
part of your life that will help you. I
having been brought up into a christian
family have come out after 16 yrs thinking
its a load of bs I really hope that get
better god may be the way to give u
strength thats how my mum gets thru and it
seems to do her good but I dont believe
there is anyone there... Im sorry life
is so hard for u and I hope u can feel
happy whatever happens....
As to how u started that topic u are not a
stupid person at all I suffer from low
self esteem and it is important not to
think ur self silly in anyway ur question
is quite justified and I think it is
important to question religion...
If ur worried about religion maybe u
havent found the right one just yet it
would be gd to look at them
all>>> sorry that wasnt so short
and sweet
take care, always know there are people
thinking of u and I
will
if you could feel .Him in your soul--which
im sure your mom does--you would know .He
is real!!!! You have right to your
opinion--im not saying that, though. I
am just saying.......
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w0rldd0minat0r
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Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 238
Posted: 02-26-06 16:46pm
My mate just sent me this its so true
god is an imaginery friend for adults
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eroto
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Posted: 02-27-06 08:05am
Fatfamily- that is the biggest load of bs
i've ever heard. I don't believe people
who pray and believe in god to be any
safer than anyone else
how would you explain that to the
thousands of jews that were massacred in
spite of their beliefs?
Why is your religion the right one?
How can you explain the amount of pain and
suffering that has occured throughout
history in the name of religion?
Many say that none believers are evil and
that simply not having faith in their god
is evil- this is a dangerous way of
thinking. To condemn someone who may
otherwise lead a model life.
Are you telling me that i- who lead a
normal law abiding life, give money to
various charities etc... Am supposedly
going to "hell!" because I don't believe
god exists?
As for negative thoughts- this is human
nature. You would be lying if you said
you had never had negative thoughts. We
can't all just drift around merrily
singing away and never having negative
thoughts. So what your saying is nobody
should be critisised? If something is
wrong- nothing should be done about it?
Also- lets say god does exist then: all
these 1st, 2nd 3rd etc.. Where did you
get all this from. If you say the
bible... How can you possibly be able to
relate a document written that long ago to
modern day life? I believe there is one
part of the bible which states that man
made fibres cannot be worn? So what
happens then? Do you just follow the
parts you want to follow or what? You
can't possibly expect me to believe that
you lead you life to the exact words of a
book written 2000 years ago.
Just look at some of the other things that
have been written since. Only 200 years
ago people thought disease was caused by
bad smells and you expect me to believe
that the bible is the correct way to lead
a model life? In the old testament god
states that anyone not following his
religion should be struck down. How do
you justify all the hate and misleading
contridictions your faith throws at us and
then many of you still dare to call us
atheists evil for not believing.
I believe that with every year that goes
by- religion is waning, unable to deny its
undisputebly and increasinly outdated
underpinnings. I believe there are now
many gay priests? Isnt this a sin also?
How do you explain this? I think your
religion is founded on the fear of the
many and the cleverness of the few. An
easy fix way of explaining things away in
a world that would otherwise be a
challenge to comprehend. Also more so in
the past as a system of control over
people that now elect leaders in
democratic and fair practice and not on
supposed desendants of god (as kings and
queens were thought to be!!!)
at the end of the day though- each to
their own. I’d just put it to you
though… what if your wrong? You live
your whole life deluding yourself and
living a life that “god would want you
to live”, for what? What if this is the
only chance we get and then there’s
nothing? Wouldn’t you then say its just
a big waste of time and you might as well
start living? After all there’s no way
i’d base my entire life around a concept
with not even the smallest shred of proof.
Even science can be proven, updated
etc… as our understanding grows. How
can christians expect to have this sort of
progression when they are still stuck 2000
years in the past?
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w0rldd0minat0r
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Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 238
Posted: 02-27-06 09:02am
Its just my experience of religion and it
has been negative I do not feel that there
is anything inside me but me I have tried
to let him in but there is nothing
ultimately it is down to what u personally
believe
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fatfamily02
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Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Posted: 02-27-06 13:25pm
eroto
wrote:
fatfamily- that is the
biggest load of bs i've ever heard. I
don't believe people who pray and believe
in god to be any safer than anyone else
how would you explain that to the
thousands of jews that were massacred in
spite of their beliefs?
Why is your religion the right one?
How can you explain the amount of pain and
suffering that has occured throughout
history in the name of religion?
Many say that none believers are evil and
that simply not having faith in their god
is evil- this is a dangerous way of
thinking. To condemn someone who may
otherwise lead a model life.
Are you telling me that i- who lead a
normal law abiding life, give money to
various charities etc... Am supposedly
going to "hell!" because I don't believe
god exists?
As for negative thoughts- this is human
nature. You would be lying if you said
you had never had negative thoughts. We
can't all just drift around merrily
singing away and never having negative
thoughts. So what your saying is nobody
should be critisised? If something is
wrong- nothing should be done about it?
Also- lets say god does exist then: all
these 1st, 2nd 3rd etc.. Where did you
get all this from. If you say the
bible... How can you possibly be able
to relate a document written that long ago
to modern day life? I believe there is
one part of the bible which states that
man made fibres cannot be worn? So what
happens then? Do you just follow the
parts you want to follow or what? You
can't possibly expect me to believe that
you lead you life to the exact words of a
book written 2000 years ago.
Just look at some of the other things that
have been written since. Only 200 years
ago people thought disease was caused by
bad smells and you expect me to believe
that the bible is the correct way to lead
a model life? In the old testament god
states that anyone not following his
religion should be struck down. How do
you justify all the hate and misleading
contridictions your faith throws at us and
then many of you still dare to call us
atheists evil for not believing.
I believe that with every year that goes
by- religion is waning, unable to deny its
undisputebly and increasinly outdated
underpinnings. I believe there are now
many gay priests? Isnt this a sin also?
How do you explain this? I think
your religion is founded on the fear of
the many and the cleverness of the few.
An easy fix way of explaining things away
in a world that would otherwise be a
challenge to comprehend. Also more so
in the past as a system of control over
people that now elect leaders in
democratic and fair practice and not on
supposed desendants of god (as kings and
queens were thought to be!!!)
at the end of the day though- each to
their own. I’d just put it to you
though… what if your wrong? You live
your whole life deluding yourself and
living a life that “god would want you
to live”, for what? What if this is
the only chance we get and then there’s
nothing? Wouldn’t you then say its
just a big waste of time and you might as
well start living? After all there’s
no way i’d base my entire life around a
concept with not even the smallest shred
of proof. Even science can be proven,
updated etc… as our understanding grows.
How can christians expect to have this
sort of progression when they are still
stuck 2000 years in the
past?
i could be in prayer everyday all day
long---but there will still be the wicked
person--as I said--who has a free will,
and I would be protected as well as I
could be in this situation. Those jews
believed in .God and believed for his
protection---but were killed anyway---but
you dont know how their peaace was during
it!!!??? You were not there. They
were martyered---and I know .God gave them
peace and assurance that they would soon
be with him, and I would much rather have
that than the alternative.
I said .A.L.L these things need to happen
for complete freedom from evil--which we
will never have on this earth. That is
what I was trying to show her. It is
impossible for all the things to be
.Different. Just like it was impossible
for eve to .N.O.T eat the apple --for her
spiritual state needed the savior--who had
not come to calvary yet for us. We
cannot be anything without .Him.
And if you dont believe the bible we
really have no discussion here anyway.
Your words mean nothing to me. For he
said "if you take one word from this book,
I will take your inheritance of the tree
of life--and if you add one word to this
book, I will add to you all the plagues
written herein." it is in revelations.
He used man to write this book, yes, but
it is ordained from .God himself.
Quote:
are you telling
me that i- who lead a normal law abiding
life, give money to various charities
etc... Am supposedly going to "hell!"
because I don't believe god exists?
yes, unless you believe and receive his
forgiveness. He cannot help someone who
does not believe. It is the only
unforgivable sin---to not receive his
forgiveness unto yourself. To not
receive the .Gift of calvary---is to not
ever be forgiven, and to never find
.God.
I have not finished yet but I will--i
never said anyone was perfect far from it,
I said we all make mistakes and should
not hold it against ourselfs so much---for
we are definately not alone it that.
And yes, I live the words of the bible to
the best of my ability. No one is
perfect--no one--but the father alone.
And if you ever felt the presence of the
lord on you or in you soul, you would not
need anymore proof than that. I pray you
find the way--
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penelope67
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Joined: 02 Jan 2006 Posts: 114 Location: NH
Posted: 02-27-06 13:43pm
For those of you who dont believe god
exists, I just wish that you would give
him a chance and then you would know he
was real. God is not an imaginary
character I have to comfort me. He
proves himself to me every day. I have
to admit-in the last year I have strayed
from him and I forgot about him-other
things were more important, but now as
time goes on, I realize how foolish I am
to forget. I have never felt such a
sense of peace and happiness as I do when
I ask god to help me in a really tough
situation and he does. I cannot remeber
a time when I asked him to help and
everything didnt end wonderfully. Every
time me and my boyfriend get in a fight
and I forget about god, everything just
gets worse and worse, but if I ask for
gods help-the problem is fixed in a matter
of minutes. Its crazy crazy crazy how
real he is, and I wish more people would
give him a chance, because if they did, I
believe they would be much happier.
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fatfamily02
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Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Posted: 02-27-06 14:23pm
Yes, ma'am. God bless you forever.
--penelope
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sophira
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Posted: 02-27-06 14:48pm
Just to put the thread back on
topic:
whether or not there is a
god/gods/goddess, etc (whatever you are
given to believe normally) isn't the
issue!
What the issue is is that the original
poster has grown up and consistently
believed in god, and bad things in the
world are convincing him/her otherwise.
This is a big deal. Not because there is
or isn't a god, but because religion is a
very personal, very important thing to
most people, and losing it can be a
serious, life-altering hit.
Linz, the best thing for you to do is to
resolve this for yourself. Everyone has
different beliefs about god (even within
the same religion), so you are only going
to find peace once you understand how you
feel and resolve it with the world. You
can try talking to people you trust who
understand your religious views, and if
that doesn't help, try thinking of the
truly good things that happen in life that
get overlooked.
Either way, good luck to you.
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sandyallen
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Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Posted: 02-27-06 15:35pm
Linz, in the 1st place, I am sorry for
your losses! Alot has happened to you in
a negative way but I am sure that if you
look deep enough you will find something
positive that has happened over the years.
I am trying not to bring religion into
this because it just just starts a fight
because alot of us believe differently and
I believe whether you believe or do not
believe it is your choice. I am no dr
but I do hope that you do find someone to
talk to about this, more on a professional
level and that does not make you a bad
person, heck, we all need a little help
sometimes in our lives but then again that
is your choice too! We do need to
realize that their are alot worse people
off then we are, even though it does not
seem like it at the or this time. I hope
this has helped!
Please let us know how you are doing, even
though, I do not know you, I still care
and have been in similar situations such
as yourself and their have been times
where I have found that helping hand at
the end of my arm!
Good luck to you!
Hugs!
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fatfamily02
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Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Re: I Don't Know If God Is Real Anymore Posted: 02-27-06 15:40pm
linz1987
wrote:
i know everyone will think
im being stupid, maybe I am. I don't
see how this great god can exist when
there are loads of bad things going on,
like my friends mum was killed just after
he found out he was going to be a dad.
And a woman I have been closed to for
years has just found out that her husband
is dying from cancer, she has already lost
her daughter to cancer. I just fell
health question all the time and I can't
see any good in this world. I used to
go to church frequently and I even used to
sing in the church band but since then I
havnt got the confidence to sing anymore
and I dont feel I will able to step back
into a church. I don't know what to
do, I just feel like im letting everyone
down.
i was only trying to say--.N.O matter what
we do--sin exists and death and
destruction, bad things will happen, and
mostly to the good pple. And .N.O matter
what we do we cannot prevent it---so the
only hope for us is to do our best---to
fight the negative thoughts, and to do our
best to stay close to .God for .He is our
comfort. .He is our life---apart from
.Him there is no life. And .He will do
all he can to protect, supply our needs
and give us the peace we need to endure
this life--even if our own dumb mistakes
make us go thru bad things. Which is by
the way, usually not the case
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beaz
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Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 5 Location: australia
Posted: 02-27-06 15:53pm
Hi
i really feel for you as I am a christian
and went through a very difficult period
just on 2 years ago - my father passed
away, my daughter tried to suicide and I
ended up having a total break down.
Through all of it, I was angry with god,
and decided he did not exist -
fortunately, I slowly started piecing my
life together and realized that god had
not abandoned me but was carrying me all
the way and looking back, I can see his
hand in all of it and now realize a lot of
the blessings that came out of it. What I
am trying to say is that once you have
given your life to the lord you are his
forever. God gave man free choice and
adam and eve basically blew it and sin
entered the world. We are of the flesh
and bad things will happen because we are
flesh and of free choice but in the end
god is in control and it saddens him when
children die, man destructs, maims and
kills - yes he could stop it all if he
wanted to but then, that wouldn't be free
will for us - we choose to sin.
I will keep you in my prayers as I do know
how you are feeling. Depression is an
illness not a state of mind and needs to
be addressed as such. I hope you are
seeking the help you need from the medical
profession.
God bless you always
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w0rldd0minat0r
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 238
Posted: 02-27-06 16:39pm
U do not need god in ur life to have a
happy one
i am very giving to charity in fact in a
yrs time I am going to africa to save
lives u dont need a god in your life to be
happy or to do great things.
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eroto
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Joined: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 5
Posted: 02-28-06 04:33am
I agree with w0rldd0minat0r. Some people
need god though and others are strong
enough to strive out on their own. They
are still great people.
Also I would like to stress- I don't
believe in hell, and no christian or any
other faith can ever persuade me to follow
religion purely on the basis that if I
dont im going to hell.
I also agree with sophira. This isnt an
arguement that either side can prove or
disprove.
People should be allowed to believe in
whatever they want to believe.
All I was saying was that I never heard of
any wars fought in the name of science!
The truth is many cant accept others
beliefs. I personally can accept anyone
(within reason)- but I think there's is a
lot of bad blood between many of the
relgions where the only factor in the
arguement is the fact that they follow
different faiths. I mean just look at
iraq recently or maybe nothern ireland
over the last 30 years. There are so many
deaths caused.
I forgot who said it but it but this kinda
sums up what im trying to say:
"without religion good people would do
good and evil people would do evil but for
a good person to do evil you need
religion"...
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beaz
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God Posted: 02-28-06 06:04am
I am a christian and don't believe in
pushing chrisitanity on to anyone - if
someone asks, I will try and answer them.
I have both non-christian friends and
christian and it is not for any christian
to judge anyone. What ever path a person
chooses to take is up to them. I am
married to a beautiful man who is not a
christian and we both have an equal
respect for each - I am a christian, he
has no belief system at all. I believe
god created us all in his image and loves
the non-believers as much as the believers
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w0rldd0minat0r
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 238
Posted: 02-28-06 15:14pm
Please can we not turn this into too much
of a religious discussion but more about
finding ways to help this person as she
has in her mind been let down by god
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penelope67
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Joined: 02 Jan 2006 Posts: 114 Location: NH
Posted: 02-28-06 16:56pm
If you are talking about god, then it is
already a religious discussion, I was just
trying to show the good things about god
and when bad things happen-they must
happen for a reason. God is the only one
that can help me get through really bad
times like that. She said she didnt know
how god can exist and I was trying to
remind her that god shows that he exists
every day. Sorry if I offended anyone
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fatfamily02
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Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Posted: 02-28-06 17:16pm
First ----i will never apologize for
talkin about .God. Without him there is
nothing. Our life has no meaning apart
from .Gods will for us.
Second ----her discussion was about .God.
I was just trying to explain---bad things
will happen no matter what---there is no
perfect life here. It is not .God's
fault we have problems and bad things
happen to good pple. .God is still there
for comfort when we ask him, and his
angels protect us when we are in danger.
