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Q: Anyone Hear This One??
asked by: fatfamily02 on February 12th, 2006
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holier than thou?
Posted: 02-12-06 3:26pm

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a pro-lifer lives a long life, during which she helps get abortion made illegal in her area and gives all people the right to deny contraception to women. She then dies and rises up through the clouds to heaven's gates..

God - "what makes you worthy of entry into heaven?"

pro-lifer - "i helped get abortion and contraception made illegal! That must have saved so many unborn babies!"

god - "because of your blind desires, hundreds of women died from childbirth, pregnancy complications or self-inflicated abortions who otherwise would have lived. You are directly guilty of their deaths. So to hell with you you not a nice person of women, burn there and ponder what harm you did."



this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. First--just because we believe in life--what makes you think we do not believe in contraceptives??? I do not believe in morning after pill--but if the egg is fertilized and I keep it from implanting by taking a morning after pill--it is still homicide. But that is just my opinion. I dont know if all lifers feel this way.

Secondly--we would not be "punished" for someone else having irresponsible sexual activities. That is putting the blame on someone else. And we did not make the person go to a back alley abortion clinic. That was her "choice"
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backhome22
replied on February 12th, 2006
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I fully agree. I don't know what they think is so wrong with adoption instead of abortion, there are so many people out there who can't have kids and it would be a blessing to them!
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Carifairy
replied on February 12th, 2006
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It is not anyones job to provide babies for women who cannot have them.

Adoption is not terrible, and I fully support it, but I choose abortion if I become pregnant. It is a personal choice.
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backhome22
replied on February 12th, 2006
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I don't think it's a job, or anyone's responsibility...Like I don't think people should be forced to get pregnant just so barren women can have them. I just think if there happens to be an unwanted baby that would be a kind thing to do for someone else. Just wanted to clear that up. I understand though that it's everyone's own personal decision.
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lsipes
replied on February 12th, 2006
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first--just because we believe in life--what makes you think we do not believe in contraceptives???


the catholic religion is strongly against the use of any form of bc. They even are against a woman having a medically necessary hystorectomy. *just saying*...
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fatfamily02
replied on February 12th, 2006
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Fully aware of the catholic beliefs--they were talkin bout pro-lifers not catholics!!! Right?
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lsipes
replied on February 12th, 2006
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fatfamily02 wrote:
fully aware of the catholic beliefs--they were talkin bout pro-lifers not catholics!!! Right?

yes. It was talking about pro-lifers.... R.E.L.I.G.I.O.U.S pro-lifers.
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Tylanas
replied on February 12th, 2006
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Re: Anyone Hear This One??
fatfamily02 wrote:
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holier than thou?

Posted: 02-12-06 3:26pm

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a pro-lifer lives a long life, during which she helps get abortion made illegal in her area and gives all people the right to deny contraception to women. She then dies and rises up through the clouds to heaven's gates..

God - "what makes you worthy of entry into heaven?"

pro-lifer - "i helped get abortion and contraception made illegal! That must have saved so many unborn babies!"

god - "because of your blind desires, hundreds of women died from childbirth, pregnancy complications or self-inflicated abortions who otherwise would have lived. You are directly guilty of their deaths. So to hell with you you not a nice person of women, burn there and ponder what harm you did."



this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. First--just because we believe in life--what makes you think we do not believe in contraceptives??? I do not believe in morning after pill--but if the egg is fertilized and I keep it from implanting by taking a morning after pill--it is still homicide. But that is just my opinion. I dont know if all lifers feel this way.


Secondly--we would not be "punished" for someone else having irresponsible sexual activities. That is putting the blame on someone else. And we did not make the person go to a back alley abortion clinic. That was her "choice"


because a lot of you don't believe in contraceptives. It's illegal to the catholic church. I had a friend who was he most devoted catholic; and she was put on contraceptives for the sole reason of controlling her period so she didn't get it 4 times a month! Yes, she was getting a period almost every week. She was devoted; a virgin, etc. She was excommunicatted for this.

Irresponsible sex among... Married people? They don't want a baby at the time, so they abort (not enough money, etc, whatever reason they have). The act of sex was not irresponsible; the mother was on birth control, yet pregnancy still happened. They weren't being irresponisible!!

Also, did you know that in very rare cases, birth control pills can fail to prevent ovulation, and theis egg can become fertlilized is unprotecred sex happnes? However, bcp's also thicken the mucous lining of the uterus and make the environment hostile to the egg, preventing... Implantation! Thus the fertilized egg is ejected during the woman's period.

That instance is very rare however. But it still happens. Pro-lifers on this forum have said that they still approve of bcp's because the rare "abortions" that happen because of those circumstabces weren't purposful. So, since they didn't mean to abort that fertlilized egg, it's okay.

Hypocrites?
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Tylanas
replied on February 12th, 2006
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backhome22 wrote:
i fully agree. I don't know what they think is so wrong with adoption instead of abortion, there are so many people out there who can't have kids and it would be a blessing to them!


cause what if you don't want to be pregnant, period?
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fatfamily02
replied on February 13th, 2006
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lsipes wrote:
fatfamily02 wrote:
fully aware of the catholic beliefs--they were talkin bout pro-lifers not catholics!!! Right?

yes. It was talking about pro-lifers.... R.E.L.I.G.I.O.U.S pro-lifers.


"religious" as you put it, may be completely opposite of catholicism. I am a christian and I do not believe anything that catholics believe. As far as religious or not religious ---i have a "relationship" with the creator of the universe and everything in it.
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sandyallen
replied on February 13th, 2006
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It is all a matter of choice. When you work with babies, childen teens that have been adopted or not and were unwanted and abused regularly and sexually you understand more and remember you can die or a mind can crack at anytime.
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lsipes
replied on February 13th, 2006
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fatfamily02 wrote:
lsipes wrote:
fatfamily02 wrote:
fully aware of the catholic beliefs--they were talkin bout pro-lifers not catholics!!! Right?

yes. It was talking about pro-lifers.... R.E.L.I.G.I.O.U.S pro-lifers.


"religious" as you put it, may be completely opposite of catholicism. I am a christian and I do not believe anything that catholics believe. As far as religious or not religious ---i have a "relationship" with the creator of the universe and everything in it.


christ I was just making a point that some religions are devoutly against bcps. It's totally rellevant to this discussion, however your particular beliefs are not.
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backhome22
replied on February 13th, 2006
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The way I see it, whether you're on bc or not, there's a chance you'll get pregnant and that's your choice to take that chance of getting pregnant. And if there was a way to find out statistics on the way lives of adopted kids turn out, i'd be willing to bet every penny i've got that most of those kids don't end up abused and on crack. You see the bad cases on the news, but why would they show all the good ones...Cuz it's not shock and awe stories. Most people aren't gonna spend all that money and legal work just to have a kid to abuse. And if you don't want to pregnant at all, then don't, my suggestion was simply that if you should happen to care about anyone besides yourself, you could help out in that way. And don't give all that about how babies are so awful and they kill women during pregnancy...It's 9.8 in every 100,000 in 2003 and i'm sure the stats haven't changed much, so under 1%, and that includes ectopic, hyperchlampsya, hemmorhage, and a few more things. And one more thing that's bothering me, I don't agree with your logic the same way you don't agree with mine, but I don't think that you're all going to hell...Yes I believe in god so if you want to bash me for that go ahead, but I believe any sin repented will be forgiven, and it's not anyone's job to tell anyone else where they're going.
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backhome22
replied on February 13th, 2006
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I apologize for my mistake in the stat I posted...It should not have included ectopic, and the correct stat for ectopic should be less than 1 in every 2500, still less than 1%. This does not mean I don't think that an ectopic pregnancy should be forced to continue, I do think that if any of these things should happen it would be necessary to end it.
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acoles70
replied on February 14th, 2006
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skar wrote:
lsipes wrote:
fatfamily02 wrote:
lsipes wrote:
fatfamily02 wrote:
fully aware of the catholic beliefs--they were talkin bout pro-lifers not catholics!!! Right?

yes. It was talking about pro-lifers.... R.E.L.I.G.I.O.U.S pro-lifers.


"religious" as you put it, may be completely opposite of catholicism. I am a christian and I do not believe anything that catholics believe. As far as religious or not religious ---i have a "relationship" with the creator of the universe and everything in it.


christ I was just making a point that some religions are devoutly against bcps. It's totally rellevant to this discussion, however your particular beliefs are not.



if i,m going to hell to stop the killing of humans then so be it I will take my chances with satan


amen skar!!! Not all religious people are catholics, isn't that kinda stereotypical?? I believe in birth control pills and condoms, etc. Not killing innocent babies. A life is a gift, not a choice.
Ashlee
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curious_girl82
replied on February 15th, 2006
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Maybe I shouldnt say this, but I am s.O.O.O happy that I have not been brainwashed with any specific belief/religion...No offence to any of you ladies, just throwing in my 2 sense... And I do realize this is an abortion debate forum, not a relegious debate forum....Just sayin..
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lsipes
replied on February 15th, 2006
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acoles70 wrote:
skar wrote:
lsipes wrote:
fatfamily02 wrote:
lsipes wrote:
fatfamily02 wrote:
fully aware of the catholic beliefs--they were talkin bout pro-lifers not catholics!!! Right?

yes. It was talking about pro-lifers.... R.E.L.I.G.I.O.U.S pro-lifers.


"religious" as you put it, may be completely opposite of catholicism. I am a christian and I do not believe anything that catholics believe. As far as religious or not religious ---i have a "relationship" with the creator of the universe and everything in it.


christ I was just making a point that some religions are devoutly against bcps. It's totally rellevant to this discussion, however your particular beliefs are not.


uh, yes. It's obvious that not all "religious people" are catholic. However. The op said that it's ridiculous... It's not that ridiculous considering that there *are* religions that say that bc is supposedly an abomination. It's not that hard to grasp. Take a step outside of the box, people...


If i,m going to hell to stop the killing of humans then so be it I will take my chances with satan


amen skar!!! Not all religious people are catholics, isn't that kinda stereotypical?? I believe in birth control pills and condoms, etc. Not killing innocent babies. A life is a gift, not a choice.

Ashlee
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curious_girl82
replied on February 15th, 2006
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Isipes, I dunno if you were letting me know that what was being discussed was indeed about abortion (religion as well) or not...I was simply saying that I am all to happy that I have not been involved in any religion that tries to make decisions for me..Putting all others comments aside...
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curious_girl82
replied on February 15th, 2006
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curious_girl82 wrote:
isipes, I dunno if you were letting me know that what was being discussed was indeed about abortion (religion as well) or not...I was simply saying that I am all to happy that I have not been involved in any religion that tries to make decisions for me..Putting all others comments aside...

and like I said b4, it is a health forum, not a religion forum, so I do apologize if anyone is offended...No more religion comments from me!!! :) take care all :)
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acoles70
replied on February 15th, 2006
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bahahahahahaha123 wrote:
acoles70 wrote:
a life is a gift, not a choice.


gifts can be returned.


you are a sad excuse for a human being.
Ashlee
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