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jenn_smithson

on February 17th, 2006

Active User, very eHealthy

Ashlee, I had two main disagreements about your statements. I will explain them to clear up our misunderstanding.

acoles70 wrote:

i am not talking about people in the world. I am talking about the cases of ectopic pregnancies. We all weren't ectopic pregnancies or we wouldn't be here.

first, I replied to this quote by you:

Quote:

i have researched this, and there are 14 cases worldwide, throughout history,of abdominal pregs that made it to full term. This is 14 out of millions.

I thought you were speaking of 14 cases of viable ectopics out of all of the pregnancies that have occurred. This was my mistake. However, I was not talking about "people in the world" either but pregnancies and pregnancies can end in many different ways.

Second:

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not all terminations prevent birth, because birth won't happen anyway with an ectopic pregnancy. The fetus isn't viable(in 99.99999% of the cases).
Ashlee

i understand what you are trying to say but I still disagree with your basic definition of "termination."

out of all the .Women who obtain an elective abortion, many of them would have experienced a miscarriage had they kept and continued the pregnancy. This is common statistical knowledge of pregnancies. Even though the pregnancy itself would not have been viable and would not have resulted in a live birth, the termination was still preventing birth. A termination, in its most basic form, prevents birth. That is its primary function.

Consider also a case of a viable ectopic that is terminated. In this case, the .Woman's health and life were threatened even though the pregnancy was not located in a fallopian tube. However, the termination of the pregnancy still prevented any birth from taking place regardless of if a birth would have likely occurred if the pregnancy were left.

I understand that you think that a termination for a tubal ectopic pregnancy is not preventing birth because no birth would occur regardless but that does not change the basic definition of "termination" and what a termination does. That is what I have disagreed with.

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jimmyjackers

replied on February 18th, 2006

Experienced User

bahahahahahaha123 wrote:

jenn_smithson wrote:

i understand that you think that a termination for a tubal ectopic pregnancy is not preventing birth because no birth would occur regardless but that does not change the basic definition of "termination" and what a termination does.

at the end of the day, an abortion is just that... An abortion, the termination of a pregnancy. Assbee is just trying to redefine abortion in ectopic pregnancies because she needs an excuse to justify abortions for that reason. Anti choice to the max.

at the end of the day, a foetus is a human; a human is a person, so abortion is pure and simple premeditated homicide.

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nightangel73

replied on February 18th, 2006

Extremely eHealthy

jenn_smithson wrote:

i understand that you think that a termination for a tubal ectopic pregnancy is not preventing birth because no birth would occur regardless but that does not change the basic definition of "termination" and what a termination does. That is what I have disagreed with.

jen was your ectopic pregancy due to having a chlamydia infection in the past?

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jimmyjackers

replied on February 18th, 2006

Experienced User

bahahahahahaha123 wrote:

jimmyjackers wrote:

a human is a person

a person, dipshit, is a legal term. Used to describe a born human. Go back to aim. You are better suited to hang out with michelle rybeck and her zealot christian friends.

per•son (pûr'sən)
n.

1. A living human.

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acoles70

replied on February 18th, 2006

Experienced User

jimmyjackers wrote:

bahahahahahaha123 wrote:

jimmyjackers wrote:

a human is a person

a person, dipshit, is a legal term. Used to describe a born human. Go back to aim. You are better suited to hang out with michelle rybeck and her zealot christian friends.

per•son (pûr'sən)
n.

1. A living human.

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i agree, jimmy. I am anti-abortion. I understand ectopic terminations because the mother's life is at risk. My best friend was trying to have a baby, and she found out it was ectopic. She wanted the baby more the anything, but it was in her tube. If she would have continued the pregnancy her tube would have ruptured and she would have died. The baby was not viable. A baby cannot survive in a tube. I understood why she got an injection. That is what I was defending. Ectopic pregnancies that survive .000001% of the time are abdominal ectopic pregnancies. There have only been 14 reported cases throughout history.

Ashlee

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curious_girl82

replied on February 18th, 2006

Experienced User

Personally, I think bahahahahaha123 seems like a pretty intellegent girl who is quite commical as well..A bit vulgar at times, but funny as s***.. Has some damn good points.

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jimmyjackers

replied on February 18th, 2006

Experienced User

bahahahahahaha123 wrote:

jimmyjackers wrote:

per•son (pûr'sən)
n. 1.A living human.

nothing like a dictionary fallacy, stupid.

dictionary.Com
per•son (pûr s n)
n.
1. A living human
dictionary.Reference.Com/search?Q=person

websters
person
1 : human

M-w.Com/dictionary/person

compact oxford english dictionary
person
• noun (pl. People or persons) 1 a human being
Askoxford.Com/concise_oed/person?View=uk

bartleby
per•son
pûr s n noun:
1. A living human.

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definitions of person:

• noun: a human being

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jimmyjackers

replied on February 18th, 2006

Experienced User

bahahahahahaha123 wrote:

jimmyjackers wrote:

dictionary.Com

more dictionary fallacies, huh? Nothing like it. Btw, since you are so into proving your anti female stance, please tell me a passage in the torah or nt that says the word "abortion" in it.

so all these dictionaries are wrong, and only your definition is right?

However, i'm sure it doesn't say you can't have heroin, but is that a reason to take it?

Anyway, I live by the catholic catechism.

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jimmyjackers

replied on February 18th, 2006

Experienced User

bahahahahahaha123 wrote:

no, dipshit, I realize not everyone shares the same standards. So when it comes to your body, I won't tell you what to do with it.

even if I was a foetus in your womb.

bahahahahahaha123 wrote:

if you want to take it, shoot yourself up!

bang goes your argument then.

bahahahahahaha123 wrote:

so you rape little boys too?

incorrect.

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jimmyjackers

replied on February 23rd, 2006

Experienced User

bahahahahahaha123 wrote:

you want to life off my body it would be by my choice.

so you are against telling people what to do, but you are all for man handling them and physically removing them from a place their parents have put them.

That goes way beyond telling someone what to do, doesn’t it?

bahahahahahaha123 wrote:

nope... Your body, your choice. You want to shoot heroine, have fun.

then you are in favour of legalising heroin on the grounds of choice.

bahahahahahaha123 wrote:

you just defend rapist instead. Much better. You done yet, zealot?

you defend homicide, and that is worse, besides I condemn rapists and killers.

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