we are not talking about killing for self defense. That is a completely different story. We are talking about killing innocent babies. You are the one who needs to wake up and quit giving your bs excuses and what ifs. Hell every situation has a what if. We are talking about 95% of abortions that are done as a birth control method. Not the other 5% in which the mother was in danger, ectopic etc.
Ashlee

first off this is a debate forum. I have treated you with respect and so far you have been immature to call me about 5 different names. You don't know me, I am very intelligent. Not all abortions are done for birth control reasons. I am talking about ectopic terminations, etc. Its not that I don't agree with them having sex. I have sex. I don't agree with them killing off an innocent baby because they were irresponsible.
Ashlee

Acoles, I am happy for you you did it but there are a lot of girls that have no ambition that cannot even help themselves, that odds are would never become a good parent and do not want to adopt and their are those that do not wish to be pregnant that are taking all the precautions correctly and still end up pregnant, and are being responsible and their are those that pregnant and could kill both the mother and the babyaat birth, this is why their is a choice and I am for choice and if you are not that is fine. I am not 100% abortion, I am 100% for choice, whether it be continuing on with the pregnancy, abort or adopt, it is their choice, we do not walk in their shoes if you work in a hospital you should see this. I went to war then I went to college and raised my kids and worked with help, it was not easy, I hear where you are coming from but something you have to work for, you appreciate it better.
Good luck to you and yours!

why's it always gotta be that anyone that has an abortion has to do so because they were "irresponsible"??? I was on bc, took the morning after pill, and still became pregnant. I tried everything to prevent pregnancy to no avail. But i'm irresponsible? I think not.

you actually terminate an ectopic pregnancy to prevent the rupture of the tube. This in turn saves the mothers life. An ectopic pregnancy will kill the mother in almost 90% of the cases. And by the way I have sex all the time, I am married. (hello). I have a 3 year old and a baby on the way, looks like I never have sex....Lol. You are really intelligent, yeah.
Ashlee

are you dense?? You don't terminate an ectopic pregnancy to prevent birth, because the baby has nil chance at survival, as does the mother without a termination. The baby isn't going to survive anyway. You give the mother an injection of methotrexate or surgery if the embryo is too large. I am a nurse, I went to school for this. I work at an obgyn clinic, I know about this. This is an article from babycenter.Com

there's no way to transplant an ectopic (literally, "out of place") pregnancy into your uterus, so ending the pregnancy is the only option. In fact, if an ectopic pregnancy isn't recognized and treated, the embryo will grow until the fallopian tube ruptures, resulting in severe abdominal pain and bleeding. It can cause permanent damage to the tube or loss of the tube, and if it involves very heavy internal bleeding that's not treated promptly, it can even lead to death. Fortunately, the vast majority of ectopic pregnancies are caught in time.
If the pregnancy is clearly ectopic and the embryo is still relatively small, you may be given the drug methotrexate. The drug is injected into a muscle and reaches the embryo through your bloodstream, where it ends the pregnancy by stopping the cells of the placenta from growing. (over time, the tiny embryo is reabsorbed into your body.) as the drug begins to work you may have some abdominal pain or cramps and possibly nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea.



So it doesn't prevent birth, because birth could never occur. How can you prevent a birth that was never going to happen anyway?
Ashlee

Acoles...Im not here to argue but im sure me posting here is just going to put me in the middle..Which im so use to on the abortion forum..But anyways to my point..Bahhaha or whatever their name is...Always calls names and is very immature in this forum so ...As long as you fight and try to prove your point ...That person will just keep on and on and make you more and more mad with the stupid things they have to say...They quote every sentence ...That person can never make a post without quoting someone...Just a lil tip I have fought with them plenty of times..And it gets you nowhere...Although the many of the things that person has to say are pointless and stupid I know how hard it is to ignore them...But im right behind you on everything you are saying..Plus you being a nurse and working in the environment you do ..You probably know 10 times more ..Dont waste your time ..Explaining yourself to that person girl :wink:

Acoles70, can you explain that to fatfamily02, she feels ectopic pregnancy's can be birthed and thaat women should have a choice.

I too have worked ob/gyn, the best part is watching the fathers of the babyas you know what the most of the mothers are going through.

We all do not say stupid things and call names as we are all different!

i disagree. While I don't always agree with her lack of eloquence, she does have a *lot* of valid points and she obviously knows what she's talking about. I don't think anything she's said has been pointless or stupid. She's stating her opinion just like everyone else... Except with a lot of cussing and vulgarity. Lol

how many ectopic pregnancies have been carried to term. I asked my fellow nurses about this, some have been on labor and delivery 30 years, and have never seen this happen. The doctors I work with said they had never seen a case either. Unless you work in the medical profession I don't think you have a case. Have you ever seen some carry an ectopic pregnancy to term, firsthand? Didn't think so.

Jillian, you are right girl. Some people are dense. I'm done arguing over something that is a medical fact. Ectopic pregnancies are not viable.
Ashlee

many people think that abdominal pregnancy classifies as ectopic, which it doesn't. Ectopic is tubal, cervical, or ovarian pregnancy and all the research I have done shows that they are not viable. I also have a friend who had a tubal pregnancy and it ruptured, almost killing her. Abdominal, however are viable, but in just about every case, medical intervention is required before viability due to hemmorage. That being said:
you don't have to work in the medical field to know about medical facts or statistics. You don't have to see something firsthand to know that it's true. In this case I don't agree with her about ectopic pregnancies being carried to term because it's impossible to support a fetus in your fallopian tube. However, I stand by my statement that you need not work in the medical field to know what you're talking about. =)

apparently you didn't read fatfamily's post. Not that I believe it, but "apparently" a lot of ectopic pregnancies could actually survive. I agree however that most, if not all, women who have abortons because of ectopic pregnancies do it to avoid their own death, and not to simply stop being pregnant or to simply not give birth.

Lol baha, that's basically exactly what I said in my post...

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thank you for restating my point. Ectopic preganancies are not viable, even you own info says that the majority of even abdominal pregs, require termination. Abdominal preg are very few of ectopic pregnancies anyhow.
Ashlee

first off i'm not stupid or ignorant. I am very well educated. Second off, you are the one being ignorant. I think you would argue that the sky is green just to argue. You are saying that termination of an ectopic pregnancy prevents birth...You are wrong. Ectopic terminations are done to save the mothers life, period. In 99.999999% of the cases the pregnancy is not viable. I have researched this, and there are 14 cases worldwide, throughout history,of abdominal pregs that made it to full term. This is 14 out of millions. Hello. There are always exceptions, always. I don't find 14 a valid reason to call ectopic pregnancy termination---preventing birth. Maybe you and fatfamily can hook up, you guys have alot in common. I have made my point, I am done arguing with you.
Ashlee

any termination is inevitably preventing birth as birth (as we understand it) will not occur. The reasons for the termination do not change what it is in the end.

not full term. Most of the few that have survived were extracted as soon as was feasible. Usually around 23 or 24 weeks.
.Billions. There are more than 6 billion people on the planet and billions more who have already been born, lived, and died. Even if you put the mark, conservatively, at 9 billion total humans ever born, lived, died, or currently living on the planet, the ratio would be 14 out of 9,000,000,000. Or 14/9,000,000,000.
however, in the end .All terminations do one thing - prevent birth.

Yes. It saves the mother's life by preventing birth!!!

this isn't the case. The fetus couldn't make it to term, it is constrained by the limits of a tube or ovary,etc. The fetus can normally not grow beyond 8 weeks. It saves the mother's life because if the tube or ovary ruptures, it causes internal bleeding.
Ashlee

i am not talking about people in the world. I am talking about the cases of ectopic pregnancies. We all weren't ectopic pregnancies or we wouldn't be here. Not all terminations prevent birth, because birth won't happen anyway with an ectopic pregnancy. The fetus isn't viable(in 99.99999% of the cases).
Ashlee

i hope you are not trying to justify abortion that sees millions and millions die, based on the fact that ectopic pregnancies sometimes happen.