"have never understood why some pro-choice people"

well ill enlighten you.


"doesn't the right to your body end when you become pregnant? "

no, it doesn't.


"what about the baby's body?"

its not a baby yet.


"why doesn't it have rights?"

because embryos and fetuses are not covered by any human rights treaty that the united states or any other western country is a signatory of.


"are they any less of a human?"

yes. Until the 8th week, it is still a embryo and after that its a fetus. 'babies' are never aborted.


"they have souls."

scientific evidence please.


"they are taking someone's life."

its human fetus or embryo, and isn't even able to become conscious yet, let alone have any idea whats going on. Pretty much just a bunch of cells.

By the way, i'm actually anti abortion (i just don't buy neocon propaganda). I seriously don't think abortions should take place as often as they do (its over 1 million a year in the us)
i think they key here is education, people should be made aware of the consequences of having to raise a child.

See, this is something that is controvercial. Everyone has their own opinion about it, so none one can say right from wrong, I believe. In my own opinion, I think it is wrong. There are plenty of women who cannot have children and what a blessing it would be the baby. Adoption would be the way to go. If I were pregnant, I would definitely keep my baby. I am 19 years old and not ready, but I know that if I became pregnant I would keep him/her because what if there was never another chance?

And yes that is just my opinion. I am opposed against it myself, but not saying that is right for everyone because each individual has that option to make, and I am not the kind of person who thinks that I should make that decision for anyone else.

I totally agree.

"there are plenty of women who cannot have children and what a blessing it would be the baby"

not meaning to sound harsh but, those who cannot have children have nothing to do with anyone else and their pregnancy. A woman who wants a termination shouldn't be made to continue her pregnancy because someone else has infertility issues.

" adoption would be the way to go."

i think this is true in the situation where the women decides to do so

" I am not the kind of person who thinks that I should make that decision for anyone else."

i personally think this is a great opinion, recognising that, whilst you may not choose something, others may

I am not against adoption by any means, I just cant help but think how many unwanted children end up being adopted and then abused..Granted there are good people in the world who would love to adopt a child. But there are just as many sick edit too. How many times have I read in the paper or have I seen on the news of people who have adopted children and abused the edit outta them..?!

Very true curious girl, well said!

there are a lot of babies that grow up into children out there in adoption clinics because they never get adopted.

This debate forum depresses me. Dunno why I keep coming back though. Some of the things I read are so sad....Dunno why I am even typing this..?? Guess I am just sleepy and rambling. Its like 2am here. Ok, this is pointless.. Sorry for using up unecessary space.. :) night all :)

If it depresses you, then don't come here.

i agree.

I highly doubt that anyone is holding a gun to your head and making you come here to read all these things that upset you, curious_girl82.

As far as the original topic...Where do I even start?



i know that roflzor6666 already ranted about this, but I want to put in my two cents about it too...

Since when is pregnancy a justifiable reason to lose the rights to your body? As the result of some little ball of flesh that's growing, a woman becomes nothing more than an incubator? And babies do have rights - fetuses do not. Fetuses are human through and through, but it doesn't make them people. Going along with that, a fetus is not a "someone" until it's born. Just because a person names their embryo doesn't make it a "someone".

Admit it - the pro-lifers don't give a crap about life. They're baby-humping women-haters who won't be satisfied until it is a law that women serve no further purpose than to be mothers, abortions are made illegal, and contraception and sterilization are no longer available. I think I need to move to where there are smart people...Or at least people who respect the rights and choices of women.

you come back here looking for justification for your actions; you will never find it, you will only find the peace you desire in christ.

or in buddhism. Or in judeism. Or in islam. Or deism. Or just in philosophy. Wake up; people find peace in many ways, not just christianity.

i strongly disagree.

You know... It's great that you can constantly say "i disagree" or "incorrect" without backing it up with *any* type of evidence or thought!!!!! You basically just spew your supposed "beliefs" (which I can tell you know nothing about) and basically expect others to accept it as such. It's a joke.
Support what you have to say with facts and figures. Then maybe others will take you seriously. Although, with your complete disregard for common sense and ability to understand human nature, I think it may be a complete loss.

i was a devout christian for years. My nose in the bible and all. As it turns out, I found nothing but hate, jealousy, and hypocrisy in "christ". So quit shoving your personal beliefs (and as i've stated before, and will still stand by it, you have no idea what your beliefs are) down peoples' throats. "peace" is relative to what you make it. Not what "your god" tells you it is.

then why are buddhists some of the most at-peace people I know? Tey are so at peace that they don't feel the need to shove their beliefs in people's faces. Arguing with a buddhist is far different from arguing with a christian. You can rile up a christian, you can't rile up a buddhist.

i don’t see how a buddhist can ever be at peace when they are constantly on edge about treading on a bug or a beetle, not to mention the guilt on their conscience for the millions of germs they kill upon sneezing.

your reading of the bible must be very selective, just as you are selective about which of your family members live or die.