What Would You Do... Cont

Their are a lot of hypocritical christians and catholics out there as well that say they would never abort but they do and they cheat and lie and blah, blah blah. How much is it that the catholic church is having to pay out for molesting the little boys.
Their are times it is just as well for the fetus to be aborted as is the female that aborts the fetus, if the fetus is going to be born and abused and neglected, if the fetus will be born without some of its main body organs and not all organs can be replaced, yes, that fetus is much better being aborted. Their are times that it is kindness! Sometimes we do not know what the pregnant female is going through, that is why it is her choice, some female's live in a lot of fear, I have seen this and we cannot always break down that wall but we try.
I seriously do agree with you in a way erie but to me it is not a baby until birth.

I never said that unborn people are worthless, I think they are great! I work in labor and delivery quite a bit, if that is what the mother-to-be wants or to adopt it out. I have two of my own that are adults now and are doing great and I have taken in several! Iam just more open and understanding about certain cicumstances. So you still do not get it!

No, nobody should neglect or abuse a child, baby, teenager adult, sr. Cit., but they do and will. If they were to illlegalize abortion, it would just make it worse. It is your choice to continue on with your pregnancy, adopt or abort, so, can I ask, what is so wrong with that? I feel it is a pretty good plan. Sometimes you have to look at the whole picture on abortion and their are times that it is noone's business and their are times that I have known that their are reasons why that person is having an abortion and their are other times that it is none of my business.

Aw, no one has replied to me yet. Oh well.

Thanks poopoopoo! I feel the pretty much the same way! Some pro-lifer's here just love to take what you say and twist it all around and make it sound differently then what we say originally, I am starting to think or I should say that I have noticed that in pro-lifer's for quite some time now it is just that certain people bring it back out more.
It seems to me still that most of the pro-lifer's here think that us pro-choicer's are 100% for abortion when we are 100% for choice, only because we are more open and understanding. If the pregnant female wants to continue on with the pregnancy, that is her choice, if she wants to abort, it is her choice, if she wants to adopt, it is her choice(even though alot of times adoptions fail but that is my own personal belief because I work with a lot of adopted children and a lot of children that were supposed to be adopted were put back into the system and some of these foster homes are not very good and I did not say all) but that is still their choice, the pregnant female, that is.
A lot of these young girls and some older have lived in this sheltered little world, never been anywhere or done anything and think the world is full of roses, they forget, about the thorns in these roses.
Does it not say in the bible that you shall not judge, well, you are not walking in their shoes and you should not after all, pro-choice does not.

Forget about who is morally correct about abortion, what I cant understand is this.. America is a country that has 40 odd percent of the population as catholics and other denominational christians take the figure upto 76% of the population. So why is the majority of the population being ignored?

Something like 90% of the american public opinion on abortion says it should be restricted and most of them say for exception for rape, incest or life of mother, yet the majority of people are being ignored.....Why?

Britian has about 40million christians in a population of about 60 million people, yet again its the leftist, liberal politically correct brigade that seem to dictate to the governments... Alienating the majority of people.

Again ireland is around 90% catholic yet these liberals are constantly trying to force or coerce ireland into legalising abortion, contary to the beliefs of the majoriy of the populance... Why?

Throughout europe most countries have strong usually majority christian populations, yet the governments alianate their own people in favor of adopting liberal ideologies... Why?

The united nations has a board specifically set up by planned parenthood to promote abortion around the globe against the wishes of buddhists, muslims, christians, hindus, jews and many secularist people too.... Why?

The worlds secular media is constantly promoting liberal theology, constantly alienating the mass public.... And portraying muslims or christians in a bad light, either as terrorists or as extreeme religious nuts... Alienating the majority of the worlds population in total 3 billion.

Why are they attacking and alienating the majority of the people... And if we say anything we are forcing our beliefs on others... But they can force all their beliefs on everyone else including the majority.

I dont agree with it but sometimes its easy to understand why many muslims are literally up in arms


there is something seriously wrong in the world when our governments dont listen to the majority of their people or when minorities start dictating what is right and wrong to the majority...Something saddly wrong.

We live in awful times... Unless your a gay or a extreeme feminist or some other minority liberal idealist and its about time the majority did something about it.... Sooner rather than later I hope for the sake of peace... The longer it goes on I fear the stronger and harsher the backlash will be, thankfully most people are religous or have a religous morality of tollerence and forgivness...And will seek peaceful means of change rather than violent... But there are obviously some who will and are objecting using violence.... I pray there will be a quick and peceful solution to this global alienation of relgious people, by liberal minority groups.

"it was pretty horrible for women to, back before we had the vote. But guess how we got what we wanted? We fought for it through the legal system. If all of you "religious" people want abortion illegal/regulated so badly, then why aren't you going through the system? And maybe you are... And maybe if it osn't working, then perhaps all of you "religious" people aren't as cohesive on the issue of abortion as you think you are. Maybe more of you are pro-choice than you think. "

women who got the vote, were fine examples of women, they were all about equality and fairness.... They would spit at and slap the likes of you as being a disgrace to feminism...Although they probably wouldnt stoop to your standards... They were pro life!

Great feminists early fouders of feminism (not extreeme feminists) on abortion:-

susan b anthony

"guilty? Yes. No matter what the motive, love of ease, or a desire to save from suffering the unborn innocent, the woman is awfully guilty who commits the deed. It will burden her conscience in life, it will burden her soul in death; but oh, thrice guilty is he who drove her to the desperation which impelled her to the crime!"

elizabeth stanton

classified abortion as a form of "infanticide." the revolution, 1(5):1, february 5, 1868

"when we consider that women are treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit."

letter to julia ward howe, october 16, 1873, recorded in howe's diary at harvard university library


"there must be a remedy even for such a crying evil as this. But where shall it be found, at least where begin, if not in the complete enfranchisement and elevation of women?"

mattie brinkerhoff

"when a man steals to satisfy hunger, we may safely conclude that there is something wrong in society - so when a woman destroys the life of her unborn child, it is an evidence that either by education or circumstances she has been greatly wronged."

victoria woodhull

the first female presidential candidate was a strong opponent of abortion.

"the rights of children as individuals begin while yet they remain the foetus."

woodhull's and claffin's weekly 2(6):4 december 24, 1870


""every woman knows that if she were free, she would never bear an unwished-for child, nor think of murdering one before its birth."

wheeling, west virginia evening standard, november 17, 1875

sarah norton:

"child murderers practice their profession without let or hindrance, and open infant butcheries unquestioned...Is there no remedy for all this ante-natal child homicide?...Perhaps there will come a time when...An unmarried mother will not be despised because of her motherhood...And when the right of the unborn to be born will not be denied or interfered with."

woodhull's and claffin's weekly, november 19, 1870


mary wollstonecraft:

"women becoming, consequently, weaker...Than they ought to be...Have not sufficient strength to discharge the first duty of a mother; and sacrificing to lasciviousness the parental affection...Either destroy the embryo in the womb, or cast if off when born. Nature in every thing demands respect, and those who violate her laws seldom violate them with impunity."

matilda george:

"[this] subject lies deeper down in woman's wrongs than any other...I hesitate not to assert that most of [the responsibility for] this crime lies at the door of the male sex."

the revolution, 1(14):215-6 april 9, 1868

alice paul:

"abortion is the ultimate exploitation of women."

" maybe if it osn't working, then perhaps all of you "religious" people aren't as cohesive on the issue of abortion as you think you are. Maybe more of you are pro-choice than you think. "

you see there are many great people trying to change things, but the liberal minority groups have the governments ear... Why I dont know... How it benifits the government to ignore and alienate the majority of people I dont know, but I dread to think!

"you think life is so wonderful for homosexuals? Why don't you try coming out of the closet and keeping your job? Try adopting, try enrolling your child in a catholic school if you're living with a gay partner. Even if you're religious, the church abandons you."

i am not saying its all peaches and cream, far from it in the general public where the majority of people still find homosexual activity as immoral, perverse and totally abnormal... However, I was talking more along the lines of its sunny days at the moment since it is they who have the governments ear and are being very succesful in lobbying government to help promote homosexuality, they have a very good friend in the media.

Reading this you may think I am homophobic or anti gay or whatever... Nothing could be further from the truth... I think it proposterous that should someone be gay they should be discriminated against by businesses or public schools etc... That is wrong, however I am dead against being dictated to by a small minority of people about what laws I must endure. I think it equally wrong that you or they expect a catholic school to accept them even though it goes against their beliefs. Or that they should be able to adopt children which nature has forbidden... As for the church if two people of the same sex are in an active homosexual relationship, it has no other option but to denounce that relationship, however should a homosexual abstain from a active relationship, the church would commend such a person.

If your gay and religious, the church does not abandon you, you by going against the teachings of church and the bible by engaging in an active homosexual relationship abandon the church.


"the tolerance to... Force womn to be baby machines?"

did you even think how stupid you would sound by saying that?

"then forgive those who abot, do not condemn them "

we do forgive them, just ask norma mccorvey... Aka jane roe... If we dont forgive women who abort, we would hardlys be likly to forgive the woman who legalised abortion... Not that she needs our forgivness since she has been granted forgivness by god

we do not condemn women who abort, we condemn the act and opinions that support the act.

"that would be the american legal system. Try using it some day. But just like trying to get rid of evolution in schools, I think you'll find that people don't want to get rid of abortion."

you see we are using the legal system, that is why we elected a pro life president who will ignore the congressmen and senators who are listening to the minorities and will elect pro life supreeme court justices.... Who will eventually over turn roe v wade... But thats wrong isnt it, 90% of the population shouldnt work to make their country great in their eyes.... No the 10% minorities should only be allowed to work to make the country great in their eyes.