Fat Family

I hate to carry this discussion on any longer.... But I have to know: fatfamily, if we're all so mean to you, why in the world are you still here??????

Joanna makes us pregnant women look bad.

Someone needs to ban her.

Yes me three I would like to know also, great question lalee. I think it is the attention.
I was not the 1st one to mention the pillow in the picture, someone else said something about it, so I would appreciate you not calling me a liar but that is ok, sticks and stones might brake my bones but names will never hurt me, because I know that I am not a liar, it is just showing your faith, your religion and what you truly are.
Go get help, please!

I always understood a miracle to be when the impossible happens.

It would seem that abdominal pregnacy is not impossible, but just very rare.
Now i'm not saying that there is or isn't an abdominal pregnacy going on- nobody knows that for sure.
I'm just saying, if there was, it would'nt quite be a miracle per say.
Now if a uterus grew back after a hysterectomy, and a woman became pregnant- that would be miraculous. Plus there would be much less risk to the woman's health, and much less disbelief.
I think that if god was going to grant a miracle pregnancy to a woman who had had a hysterectomy, granting her a new uterus while he was at it would be no great stretch, and way more "miraculous" (not to mention sensible)

i do believe that joanna truely does believe she is pregnant, and something is certainly going on with her. I don't believe she is being malicious or manipulative. Whether or not I believe in the pregnancy, I do believe in her.
I think she should go to the media actually. Something huge is growing in her tummy and nobody can find it??? Joanna- get that out there- hopefully, it wuill bring the proper medical health to you- instead of you hanging about waiting for a doctor to take you seriously.

I told her to go to the media months ago. I too believe in her and that she does truly believe she is pregnant. Whether she is pregnant or not, that is a whole nother story.

Well since vaginal delivery is totally out of the question, there is going to have to be doctor intervention soon enough.

Unless her husband is also an ob or vascular/general surgeon. Someone is going to have to take these babies out.

Joanna, if we're all so terrible to you here, then leave. Go somewhere else and plead your case. I bet you'll get the same reactions. Try backing up your case with something besides b/s excuses as to why the doctors haven't found two babies that are over 6 months now. Anyone with half a brain can tell that you're looking for any excuse not to give us proof of your case. You can "prove" other people's cases, but even those aren't guaranteed to be accurate. Joanna, no one is really going to belive you until you prove without a doubt that this is really happening to you. Getting defensive and throwing .God's name out there every other word isn't making you seem any more beliveable. It's making you seem like an angry animal who's scared because she's been cornered and feels the need to lash out at everyone around her. Whether you like it or not joanna, this is reality. Do something about it.

Well said!!!!!!!


the program about the woman that was pregnant for 46 years aired again tonite and there was a woman that was featured on that program that was pregnant outside her womb. She was carrying triplets and one developed outside the womb. The doctors said that development like that was extremely dangerous and most women and babies do not live through it. They described the pain that the woman experience and the fact if the pregnancy was continued, the woman would eventually die. They said the majority of the time these types of pregnancies are terminated in its early stages. If whats-her-face, was actually pregnant in her big belly, she would be in the hospital by now. I have seen all of those disguising pics of her and in some of them it does look like she has pillows under her shirt. Her belly may be big, it don't look like it has twins in it. A sad fact is that if her husband know that she is not pregnant and is going along with just because he don't want to hurt her feelings, he's doing more harm to her than trying to seek help for her, cause suppose somewhere down the line her mental illness get dangerous for someone, then what.

Ive done a research bout shared psychotic disorder and this what I found:

shared psychotic disorder, or folie à deux, is a rare delusional disorder shared by 2 or, occasionally, more people with close emotional ties. An extensive review of the literature reveals cases of folie à trois, folie à quatre, folie à famille (all family members), and even a case involving a dog.

Table 1. Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders, fourth edition (dsm-iv) and international statistical classification of diseases, 10th revision (icd-10r) criteria

dsm-iv diagnostic criteria for 297.3 shared psychotic disorder icd-10 diagnostic criteria for f.24 induced delusional disorder (folie à deux)
a delusion develops in an individual in the context of a close relationship with another person or persons, who have an already established delusion.

The delusion is similar in content to that of the person who already has an established delusion.

The disturbance is not better accounted for by another psychotic disorder (eg, schizophrenia) or a mood disorder with psychotic features and is not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (eg, drug abuse, medication) or a general medical condition.

Two people share the same delusion or delusional system and support one another in this belief.

They have an unusually close relationship.

Temporal or contextual evidence exists that indicates the delusion was induced in the passive member by contact with the active partner.



Subtypes and characteristics section 3 of 6
author information background and criteria subtypes and characteristics treatment conclusion bibliography




although harvey described the first case of phantom pregnancy associated with induced psychosis in 2 sisters in 1651, the term folie à deux dates to a classic report by lasègue and falret in 1877. In 1942, gralnick published a classification of 4 folie à deux subtypes. These subtypes are as follows:


subtype a is termed folie imposée. The delusions of a person with psychosis are transferred to a person who is mentally sound. Both persons are intimately associated, and the delusions of the recipient disappear after separation.

Subtype b is termed folie simultanée. The simultaneous appearance of an identical psychosis occurs in 2 individuals who are both intimately associated and morbidly predisposed.

Subtype c is termed folie communiquée. The recipient develops psychosis after a long period of resistance and maintains the symptoms even after separation.

Subtype d is termed folie induite. New delusions are adopted by an individual with psychosis who is under the influence of another individual with psychosis.
Since the times of lasègue and falret, shared psychotic disorder has been identified more frequently in women, reflecting the traditional submissive role of females in the family. Nevertheless, no confirmation of increased susceptibility of females exists today. Both female and male secondaries are equally affected by female primaries.

The involved individuals have an unusually close relationship and are isolated from others by language, culture, or geography. This explains the high number of reported twin cases (especially sister-sister pairs), in which biological and psychological factors are shared. Most of the reported relationships have been within the nuclear family.

Distribution of the relationships in western countries differs from those indicated by japanese data, in which mother-child and spousal combinations are the most common. Also in japan (contrary to western countries), more cases of have occurred in which younger partners affect older partners rather than older partners affecting younger partners. Thus, the conclusion has been made that close association contributes more to the development of shared psychotic disorder than age.

Individuals with shared psychotic disorder lack insight and therefore do not seek treatment. Originally, induced delusions were thought to disappear in a person once he or she was separated from the person with genuine psychosis. New data gathered by analyzing published case reports show that separation from the primary is not sufficient. Most often, recovery of the secondary follows separation from the primary and the administration of antipsychotic medications. Interestingly, rare cases have been reported in which the secondary experienced hallucinations while the primary did not.

The dominating primary case is most commonly represented by persons with schizophrenia, delusions, or mood disorders. In western countries, both the original delusions in the dominant person and the induced delusions in the submissive person are usually chronic and either persecutory or grandiose in nature. In japan, acute psychotic reactions have been noted to be delusions of a religious nature.

Table 2. Comparison of the traditional views and new findings based on literature analysis (silveira, 1995)

traditional views recent views
sex of the submissive person female females and males are equally affected.
Age of the secondary the secondary is younger than the primary. The secondary has an equal chance of being either younger or older than the primary.


Relationships
(in descending order) two sisters (most common), husband and wife, mother and child, 2 brothers, brother and sister, pairs of friends, whole families incidence in married or common-law couples is equal to that in siblings (incidence in sisters is more common than that in brothers, assuming cohabitation)

hallucinations the delusion is similar to that of the inducer. In 2 reported cases, the secondary experienced hallucinations while the primary did not.

Secondary hallucinatory experiences occur less frequently and are less intense than primary hallucinatory experiences.

Level of intelligence in the secondary lower than the primary not found

treatment separation from the primary separation by itself is insufficient. Effective treatment of the secondary requires neuroleptics and separation from the primary.

Source: http://www.Emedicine. Com/med/topic3352.Htm

>>>>>>meaning if we argue with this lady it wont make any sense because she wont understand even a single word that we're saying coz her mind's set on having a miracle i.E. Phantom pregnancy and being a prophet of the g.0d. That she believes in. If she's really carrying twins after hysterectomy like what others say it wouldve shown in the scan and we wouldve prob seen her on tele and media by now.

>>>>>>i dont know why she's doing this its either to claim more from the govt that she's in or she's hooked up in creating a world of her own
>>>>>>we shouldnt stoop down to her level and to be honest she's the least of our worries dealing with this woman wouldnt create a happy disposition on the real babies that we're carrying or if youre on ttc it would just stress you out even more. S.K.A.R. Is right by arguing with her we're just giving her the a10tion that she desires. I admit the first few times ive read her posts together with the rest of her "legion" it made me angry coz of the lies and deception that she's making against us and against g.O.D. but she does really need to be strapped up and placed under intensive psychiatric care for her own good and others around her.

Damn you're good, excellent points, extremely good research......

Thanks keekiluv! Im just so fed up with her. She's been doing this to us for ages making us look horrible

Actually the only people who look horrible are the ones calling her names. Yes joanna comes on spewing the bible but i'd rather hear a bible thumper than the people calling her nasty names.

I'm gonna leave this thread unlocked as I don't want a bunch of new posts started again and take over the board. If you don't want to hear about joanna, don't read this topic it's easy enough, there are enough of the other topics for ya'll to answer.

Sorry but I have not had the time to read all the notes on this thread, so what happened with the 23rd's ultrasound???? Somebody plez tell me!

Nothing. Inconclusive, cannot see the babies yet. New stealth technology seems to be working with good resullts so far.

= walks to the middle of the forum get all you guys attention and screams " shut the f up"=

end this it is really getting crazy. Ok pople who dont belive her leave her alone. People who want to know how she is doing fine private message her. Theres a solution to all of this. It is really silly to sit and argue about the same damn thing day after day. Why waste ur time joana isnt changing what she thinks and neither is anyone else. Just drop it already = puts the forum mic down and walks away =


lol ( im making it a joke but im really serious ) you guys grow up please !!!

I just wanted to add that that was a great post kirtzensmummy! I just hope that she does not start her stuff elsewhere and if she does can we just ignore her(joanna, I mean).
But joanna, I have said it before, and I will say it again, I wish you well and I do hope you get the help you need!