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Tylanas
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Pro-choice Views
Posted: 01-24-06 18:15pm
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They have one, so let's have one, and
define what we consider pro-choice.
1. A zygote/embryo/fetus is alive,
and we are thoughroully aware of that.
2. A zef is not a
person (at least not im my opinion,
what about you guys?)
3. Murder applies only to
people.
4. That said, abortion does kill
the zef. Obviously it does.
Do pro-lifers think we're retarded or
something? It is killing, but not
murder.
5. The life of the mother outweighs
the life of the zef. The life of
any born person outweighs the life of a
zef, and especially the mother, since it's
her body that is being used.
6. A zef is developing into a human
being, but in my opinion it isn't one yet,
not until it can survive outside the womb
by itself; known also as "viability".
7. My views are not based in
religion. God has nothing to
do with my knowledge and ethical feelings
about abortion.
8. Abortion is not just a way to
avoid being a parent. It is also a
way to avoid remaining pregnant. If
you do not
want to be pregnant, then "why not
give it up for adoption?" is an irrelevant
question. (poopoo's)
murder is bad because it is
taking away a born person's life without
their permission; it is removing them and
their experiences and it hurts everyone
around them. A zef does not have
experiences. It does no know
anyone. It doesn't even have a
personality yet. Babies can't even
smile at birth, they don't have emotions
yet.
If there is anything you would like to add
please do so!
a personal
opinion on when abortion is okay and when
it's not:
i believe in on-demand abortions for all
fetuses under the age of about 20 weeks ie
5 months. After about 27 weeks, it has
been found that the thalamus (the center
of the brain that is key in feeling pain)
connects to the rest of the brain, thus
possibly allowing the fetus to feel pain.
Because of this, and also because
preemies born at 5 months have a 50-60%
chance of survival, I feel that on-demand
abortions are not ethical at this age.
However, if the mother is in danger or if
the fetus is found to be severely
deformed/ill, then abortion is fine.
Also, if the mother is a victim of rape of
incest and has not been able to get to a
clinic until this time, then I also feel
that the abortion should be allowed.
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Posted: 01-25-06 05:44am
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I agree, but would also add:
abortion is not just a way to avoid being
a parent. It is also a way to avoid
remaining pregnant. If you do not want to
be pregnant, then "why not give it up for
adoption?" is an irrelevant question.
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Posted: 02-06-06 18:57pm
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I am 23 years old and have lost a baby
before. That was one of the most horrible
experiences of my life (thus far).. But I
do agree with prochoice. I do not believe
abortion should be used as a form of birth
control, but if god forbid I or someone
else is raped and gets pregnant, caca ya,
there is nothing wrong with having an
abortion. And if a young girl makes a
mistake and ends up pregnant and knows she
can not take care of a child, well...?
But as I mentioned before, it is not a
form of birth control. If a woman is just
a "loose" kind of gal and tends 2 get
pregnant and have abortions alot, that I
believe is wrong...
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Tylanas
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Posted: 02-06-06 20:29pm
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| curious_girl82
wrote: | | i am 23 years old and have
lost a baby before. That was one of the
most horrible experiences of my life (thus
far).. But I do agree with prochoice.
I do not believe abortion should be used
as a form of birth control, but if god
forbid I or someone else is raped and gets
pregnant, health question ya, there is
nothing wrong with having an abortion.
And if a young girl makes a mistake and
ends up pregnant and knows she can not
take care of a child, well...? But as I
mentioned before, it is not a form of
birth control. If a woman is just a
"loose" kind of gal and tends 2 get
pregnant and have abortions alot, that I
believe is
wrong... |
i believe that too; but they do of course
still have the choice to get the abortion.
Still, I wish that women would not use
abortion as their sole form of birth
control.
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Posted: 02-07-06 18:23pm
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Hi, I am new here.
I wanted to say I am very much for
prochoice.
I had an abortion two years ago. I
wasn't raped or molested or anything like
that, it was just the wrong time in my
life to have a baby. I was four months
away from being married, we didn't have a
house or any money to support ourselves
let along a baby.
Now two years later I have such guilt. I
think "what if" all the time. I have my
days where I wish I could take it all back
and do it again. But most of all, I
think god is going to punish me and never
give me kids now. Sorry to vent, I just
wanted to get it all out.
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Posted: 02-07-06 18:48pm
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I do not believe that the man above will
punish you! You did what was right at
the time, you need to forgive yourself,
heck who knows, maybe the fetus might not
have made it thru the pregnancy anyway,
did you ever think that maybe you might
have done the fetus a favor, it's
possible. I had two abortions because
the dr's felt that it was medically a
better thing to do, you don't forget but
you forgive and you cannot go thru life
thinking "what if". We are here for
you!
The very best to you!
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Posted: 02-07-06 19:00pm
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I also feel that we are not walking in
these pregnant females shoes. We do not
live in her life we do not know what the
whole picture is most of the time, she
could be living in total hell, we do not
know. We have no right to judge someone
that we hardly or do not even know so
therefor it is not our body and it is not
our choice and if it is our body, it is
our choice.
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Hi Eiri!
Posted: 02-07-06 19:46pm
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I see they have such nice judgemental
things to say about us(pl that is) the
question is is that will this be deleted
like my morality one was, no biggy deal,
aye. At least I can say it over and over
pro-choice are understanding and
open-minded about situations and not
judgemental, willing to help and allow
choices.
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Tylanas
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Re: Hi Eiri!
Posted: 02-07-06 21:17pm
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| sandyallen
wrote: | | i see they have such nice
judgemental things to say about us(pl that
is) the question is is that will this be
deleted like my morality one was, no biggy
deal, aye. At least I can say it over
and over pro-choice are understanding and
open-minded about situations and not
judgemental, willing to help and allow
choices. |
where was your morality one???
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Posted: 02-07-06 21:20pm
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I would also like to advise that all
pro-choice people stay off the pro-life
forum!! There is at least one of you
over there, and it's a new person too.
None of the older members are doing it,
not really. Seriously, they are giving
us our space, we need to give them theirs.
If something they say angers you off, or
you want to talk about it, then post it
here or on the debate forum. You are
setting a very bad example for the rest of
it!
It does look like thoe of you who went
over there to argue with them have
realised your mistakes; and I too realised
my mistake of going over there and trying
ot help the pro-lifers out. They don't
care if you're on their side on any issue;
if you're pro-choice, you're the enemy.
Nah, that's not really true ;) I have had
some very good discussions with some of
them.
I do think that these forums have helped
to heal a rift... People seem to be
attacking each other less. Or maybe it's
just in a lull for the moment.
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Posted: 02-07-06 23:29pm
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Thanks, sandy.
Actually, I had sever cramping in the
beginning of the pregnancy. I was only 6
weeks along when the abortion took place
and a part of me always felt that I would
miscarry.
Thanks for being so sweet with your words.
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Posted: 02-08-06 21:20pm
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No problem, sorrow, that is what I am here
for, I totally understand!
Eiri, the morality/pro-choice was posted
from here and was posted from me. I am
pretty sure you posted to it, poopoopoo
posted to it, tazzy posted to it saying
that she would leave it here for now. I
was just kind of venting from the post
over there on morality or just kind of
doing what you are doing with this topic.
I even stated that if someone wants to
move it that it is fine with me and then
later it was gone but that is ok because I
do not feel that it is my fault. I went
over there by accident, I wish they were
not so close together it is very easy to
hit the wrong button. That is why I said
what I said. I have no plans to go to
the pro-life side. I would rather say
them here but why should we say them if
they are just going to be deleted w/o
explaination?
The best to you!
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Posted: 03-06-06 21:47pm
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I've updated this post topic with my
personal opinion on when during pregnancy
an abortion becomes unethical. Go check
it out :)
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Posted: 03-07-06 20:53pm
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| anonymous
wrote: | | Quote: | | i do think that
these forums have helped to heal a rift...
People seem to be attacking each other
less. Or maybe it's just in a lull for
the moment.
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no you lot just do it behind their backs
now, slyly and deviously calling them anti
woman anti choice anti everything at every
possible oppurtunity, these seperate
forums are just wrong has it harbours
suspision and sly
comments. |
who is this jack off? These forums don't
harbor anything, since it is very easy to
copy/paste a topic to the debate or
pro-life forum and chat it out there.
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Posted: 03-08-06 21:56pm
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Got a problem with me?
Anyway, i'm sick of the debate forum.
Jimmy edit doesn't listen, and you're just
as bad, taking his side in regards to
homosexuality.
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Posted: 03-09-06 02:26am
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Eri you are soooo right about that
jimmy(whatever), just ignore him, he is
just a little boy. We are what we are
and they will never understand or be open
minded enough to. They feel we are 100%
for abortion so let them think that way,
it is their stupidity that leads them that
way. The are just little sheep
anyways!
Have a good night!
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Posted: 03-09-06 08:33am
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They dare call us sheep when their "lord"
is their "shephard"!
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Posted: 03-09-06 13:57pm
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That jimmy whatever guy really p*sses me
off, he just doesn't seem able to
comprehend anything other than what the
bible says (and his interpretation seems
somewhat literal, not like most of the
christians I know). He never addresses
points raised and he's just stuck back in
the 1800's
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