I can only tell u that I didn't my surgery because I chickened out... Felt there were too many "what ifs", "could happen", "possibilities", etc for me. But I have had so many detachments so scar tissue is my problem... And that I have buckles that would have to be moved (i won't go into all that).

Before u do the surgery... Pick up one of those insurance things for disability that will pay your mortgage as a just in case.

How many botox shots did u do? It has been about six years for me but I had about four or five sets of shots. (didn't that sound in your head just freak u out?)

also... Think about a second opinion.

Hello,

i only had two botox shots, the first did not work and the second only moved my eye slightly.


My vision never changed at all.


I am on the verge of making an appointment any time.


I never use my bad eye at all when I go about every day to day things but I can switch to it anytime.


There is double vision there but it does not bother me too much.


I would hope that if my eye was straightened I could continue to ignore the image in my bad eye.


I was recommended to go straight to surgery as any more botox would not have any more effect.

My local gp was also informed about it and will support me fully.


I worry that if I go for surgery, it could effect my good eye, but the ophthalmologist says if I have been using this eye all my life, the brain would still favour this eye, I also worry that it may change the angle of the squint.


My ophthalmologist has been described as brilliant and see's someone like me every other day and perfoms surgery regularly.


I go about my life hiding my bad eye and do not have the self esteem to go for things that could benefit and improve my lifestyle.


Whats the worst thing that could happen?.....Maybe having to wear an eyepatch to get rid of any bad double vision.


I think even wearing an eyepatch would make it easier to go about my life.


My eye muscles are scarred but do not know how bad until I go for surgery.


At the moment, I am ready to go for it, but still extremely worried.....Mainly because I pay a morgage and my parents are involved in also.


Reading some of the testimonials on this site make me want to go for it.... Straighteyes.Com/testimonials.Htm

what do you mean, you have had so many detachments?


Thanks for replying.

I have had 3 retinal detachments in my right eye and 2 retinal detachments in my left.

My eyes cross all the time now because my muscles are too weak from all my surgeries, if I included all the lasers from holes and tears in my retinas... I have to be close to a 100 eye surgeries. 8)

i can tell u that I switch eyes constantly all day long... I only use one eye at a time now, the other one turns in and I "try" to turn it off so I don't notice the double. When the eye i'm using gets tired or I start to feel pain, I switch eyes. I can use one eye for about two hours before switching... Usually less. It freaks ppl out the first time I do it but my friends are all used to it now. My kids get embarrassed about introducing me to new friends I think... My eyes have only been doing this for a little over a year now. I'm just thankful to have sight so how much do I complain?

It doesn't affect your good eye when u have a surgery on another eye... At least not the ones I have had done.

I think it is more of a mind game... I've been practicing control over my eyes. I can't make them move together but I can move them separately. I don't have any depth perception. I dont' drive now... But when I did... Hmmm, I had to be extra careful. I did run over a few curbs, :shock: and a few medians... (chuckling)
it is annoying when ppl run into me and they act like it is my fault but I honestly didn't see them cuz they were walking my blind spot (switching eyes causes more blind areas than normal).

Make sure u use that bad sometimes, the less u use it the weaker the eye muscles get in that eye.

Sounds like u have a good doc and u like her, that is important. I have an eye doc right now that i'd like to punch in the face... I need a new one. :p

j

Thank you so much for replying!

It is very hard to find any information about this, or talk to anyone who understands, you have been through quite a lot compared to me and still seem upbeat about it.

I wish I could just accept it and get along with my life, but I can't.....From what I have been told, if my eyes had not been operated on, my eyes would have been fine now.

I want to learn a new language and have been studying online for a few years but I need to take a course to really improve myself, that means making eye contact with people that I just don't feel comfortable about.

Thats funny, I managed to pass my driving test, but when I was out driving about later, I was also driving up kirbs and taking corners to early....So I don't drive now!

I appreciate your help!

Cheers!

Don't listen to the negative crap some ppl and docs will give u. Saying that the past surgery was a mistake is negative... That does u no good, so put that out of ur mind since u can't change it and no ones that for sure. I've been argued with a lot of eye docs, I think a couple wanted to punch me but u can't be hearing negative or fairy tales from them. No doctor can give u perfect vision back but nobody can see the future either so there is always hope.

U r a better person than me to give up driving so quickly. When I was in college, I drove... I drove myself to my second retinal detachment surgery (my doc was ticked for that), I had a friend bring me back home. Lol but I scratched so many of my friend's cars and lost so many friends cuz I scratched their cars...

First... With crossed eyes... Get used to having dumb jerk offs trying to figure out which eye u r looking at them with... I still hate this one. They will bob their head up and down or side to side... U can either be polite and say "stop moving ur head and look at my nose" or u can be like me and say "hey f%#k up, u got ants in ur pants or u dumb? I'm blind so I can't see u anyway" which really freaks ppl out when I read something. Lol

if u can learn a whole new language, u r smarter than me... I can only cuss in spanish and I took six years of that class.

I think it takes a little bit to get comfortable with ur new image and self. As a female... Having crossed eyes stinks cuz I can't wear any more eye make up, that really suks. Lol I just feel foolish putting it on tho. But I think the lang course would probably be great for giving u practice looking at ppl in the face... It isn't like "real public" if it is just a class.

It is always nice knowing someone else in the same boat as u, I agree.

Cheers!

You have been a great help!

I had accepted my condition until a couple of years ago, but I think I will need to do this surgery or I will always wonder "what if"....

I never spoke about my squint until about the last 6 months and now I am glad I have, no one ever mentioned it to me which I thought was stange because when I look in the mirror all I see is my bad eye.

When I explained to my work that I may need to go for surgery to correct my squint eye, all of them said "what up with it" and "i have never noticed".....I thought , don't patronize me, but I know its just how some folk deal with it.

I will post back when or if I go for the surgery.

I wish you all the best and hope you vision improves.

Thanks!

Hi there, I realise that your post was quite a long time ago and don't know if you still check for responses. Here goes anyway.

I am very intrigued to know if you went through with the surgery? I can totally identify with your situation, it is uncannily similar to my own. One of the few differences being I never had the surgery as a child. I am 37 years of age and my squint was discovered at age 11, I say discovered as I had relaised that my vision in my right eye was very bad and blurry as I waited in a cue to get my eye test at school age 9! I put my hand over my eye, before I got to the top of the cue, copying friends joking/pretending to be blind! I realised for the first time that I actually was half blind in one eye! The horror and immediate thought of the stigma of 1970's national health specs led to me reading through the gaps of my fingers covering my good left eye. The trusting district nurse! Not so 2 year later when we were told to cover each eye with a book. My lateral thinking failed me on that occasion and I was caught. I've always regretted my deception but was reassured recently that even at 9 it was probably still way to late. I presume my squnit must have been starting to show at this point although probably intermitent. My parents and teacher didn't seem to notice. Photos of me at this age let them off the child neglect charge! as it doesn't appear noticeable. However from 13 onwards it was almost permenenatly noticeable. Needless to say a year of an eye patch and glassess with a jam jar lens still didn't improve my vision in the right eye enough to allow me to even read. It was, in retrospect, a fruitless exercise similar to trying to revive a corpse you know it's pointless but the love of others compels them to atleast try!

At the about 12 I was told that squint surgery would be possible for cosmetic reasons but there was a risk of double vision. This bit was really laboured to me and looking back I do wonder if the risk was over emphasised due to the cash strapped climate of the NHS in the 80's wanting to discourage non essential surgery. Due to the predictable cruel comments from other kids, an increased interest in the oppossite sex and the vanity of teen years I decided I wanted the surgery. At 15 I went as far as being referred by my local GP but when the appointment came through the fear of the dreaded double vision made me decide not to go ahead.

Like yourself I have/had in many ways just accepted it as being part of me. However you never really, in my opionion, learn to accept it completely you just learn to live with it, if anything you forget about it. We don't see it ourselves, unless looking in the mirror or at photos, on a day to day basis personally and professionally we often meet the same people who are used to it anyway. The set backs in acceptance for me are meeting new people for the first time and group situations when you don't know peoples name. You are then accutely reminded of your squint by there obvious confusion regarding who you are addressing.

Also like yourself I wonder if people are patronising me when they say they haven't noticed it! The reality is sometimes yes sometimes not. If you think about it we becomme quite skilled at avoiding direct eye contact and positioning ourselves in certain ways, almost unconciously. Unless you are sitting directly across from someone staring intently or taking a lead role in some presnentation with all eyes on you it probably is not as noticeable as we think. Unfortunately a lot of situations do involve this. However if you have ever watched a video of yourself you probably won't notice the squint as you are moving, changing position communication is fluid where we are taking in a range of communication messages. It is not like a still photograpgh or straight on head reflection in the mirror. I did think that people were patronising me until recenetly somoeone I worked with pointed out their squint which I genuninely had not noticed! Although I do feel mine was worse!

With regard to driving I was late in the game learning to drive -29- mainly due to living in cities and not needing to but also a bit of fear around the potential impact of the 'eye'. Beleive me when I say the kerbing and taking corners to early is almost defintately more to do with driver inexpereince. Most new drivers, regardless of age, have plenty of bumps and scrapes in their first year of driving thats why insurance is so high. I have plenty of friends who did the same in their first year of driving and they have 20/20 vision. If you were an airline pilot that would be differrent. If you have perfect vision in one eye with or without glasses then you are fine to drive. The whole binocular vision bit is much more applicable to things like fast moving balls in sport where split milimeters make all the difference. If you think about it this way sometimes I may be a millimeter out in judging when I put my coffee mug on the table ocassionly this leads to it being uncomfortably close to the edge, as my other half always points out with alarm. However, unless drunk, I never misjudge walking through the door! Driving judgement is in meters or at worst centimeters. You should never be millimeters close to anything in a car anyway. If you aren't driving and happy with that fine but if you would like to and feel that not driving is holding you back please give it another shot. I have been driving for 8 years now and had one bad accident. I was fine but the car wasn't, this was on black ice and was unavoidable and nothing to do with my eye sight. Otherwise I have been fine apart from a few parking bumps again all in the first year.

Now to the interesting bit, earlier this year I increasingly became aware that I felt my squint had got worse and decided to go to my GP to explore for the first time since I was 15 the possibilities of surgery. This was a big step to take as I had thought about doing so off and on for over 20 years but kept telling myself I was bieng stupid. A really nice Gp referred me to the Eye Department at the local city hospital, it was great to be taken serously and not made to feel vain or making a big deal out of nothing. The specialist at the hospital were surprised I hadn't had it done as a child. Although releived as it makes the operation easier. I was asessed to have a low risk of double vision, something I do not recall being told in the early 80's maybe they can predict these things with more accuracy now? They can obviously never guarantee that double vision won' t appear and do stress this. I was told they were happy to provide the surgery through the NHS.

I had the surgery 9 days ago, they left in adjustable stiches and after I came around from the general anasthetic the surgeon and colleagues told me the operation had gone very well. After a couple of hours they came back and cleaned up the eye and gave me local anathetic eye drops, to my horror I did have some double vision. However they adjusted the position of the eye and that combined with my own ability to tune it out resulted in me having one clear image! I have alway had ocassional ghosting which I can tune out anyway. The first few days are pretty uncomfortable and the eye is very blood shot. Now it is a lot better still a bit pink though. I am not expereincing any real double vision. The position of the eye to me doesn't seem exactly straight but is a hundred times better than it was! My partner says that it is completely straight but I think it may still slightly squint to the right. The original intention was to slightly over correct the eye to allow for any later drift back to the right. My concern is that they probably had to put the eye more centred after I reported the double vision which may lead to a gradual drift back to the right. I will be able to discuss this in a couple of weeks with the surgeon.

All I can say is, at this stage, i'm really happy that I took the plunge and went ahead. I'm not out the woods yet in the sense that, according to the leaflets given by the hospital, in very rare occasions the muscles can slip again in a few weeks. So i'll just have to keep fingers crossed.

Regarding the double vision there is also a contact lens that can go over the pupil of the eye that blocks out the sight and hence double vision. You would obviously lose any peripheral vision you may get from the squinting eye. I believe you can also get a permanent implanted lens to block out the sight in the specific eye. It was ultimately these more discrete solutions as opposed to prism glassess and any eye patch that made me decide to risk it.

Everyone has to make the right decision for them, I hope if you read this it helps if you haven't yet made a decision. Either way I'd be really interested to know. If you don't read this the I suppose it's been a long therapuetic eye autobiography for me! All the Best.

Hello,

I just checked one of my old yahoo accounts there to get a password and seen this message.

I have had treatments since then which i will post soon...............i am working nightshift all week and dont have much time until the weekend.

I will post my current story if you are interested?

Thanks for the reply!

Hi there, yes would be really interested to hear how you got on.

Hi,

This is the story so far........

After i paid for the private treatment and got no results with the botox, i was left with the only option to just go for the surgery. I thought i would just leave it for a while thought and think about it, also needed so save some money for the surgery.

I was ready to go for it at one point and had everything planned but there was too much hassle involved, i needed to find somewhere down in London to stay which was hard because none of the places to stay in were near the surgery and i was going to be on my own, i was also going to get myself in more debt going through with it.

A few months back i came across a site that sold contact lenses that would give the appearance that my eye was straight but i would not be able to see through the lens, i thought i would try this optiion before i went for surgery. I contacted the site and they told me that they supplied to Gartnavel Hospital in Glasgow.

I got an appointment with my local GP and told him about these lenses and asked if he could get me an appointment with the hospital....which he did. I asked about the lenses but the doctor wanted to give me the usual tests again. I went through all the usual procedures and they came to the conclusion that if i had surgery, my double vision would not be that severe, but he wanted to try out the Botox again to see if he could get a result.

A couple of weeks later, i went for the Botox treatment.......the room i was in was very relaxed, and there was a nurse there to calm you if you needed and the doctor performed the injection without any pain or discomfort, he seemed more concerned and more professional than the person i paid for. When i got the injections privately, the Doctor was always in a rush and always late in and it was not comfortable at all and i felt pain when he did it.

Anyway 2-3 days later after the treatment, i noticed my eye starting to move in....this was what i was hoping for, after about a week it was nearly at the center and i immediately felt more confident. I had new double vision but this seemed to go away after a couple of weeks. Only downside was that it only lasted about 4-5 weeks then gradually wore off, but it gave the doc an indication of how my eye would react to surgery.

He told me that the double vision should not be that bad but put all the pros and cons on the table......because i have had previous surgeries and have muscle scarring it might make it more difficult to perform the surgery, he also said he can't guarentee it to be perfectly straight or how long it will stay straight after the surgery, but he says 80% of the people who have the surgery are happy after it.

Another good point i think is that this doctor has a lot of experience dealing with both adults and children with muscle scarring.....hopefully this will help.

So i am just going to go for the surgery, if it goes wrong, hopefully one of these lensed could hide my eye after it.

He told me that it takes 3 months for all the botox to leave my system and he would not do the surgery before this. It has now been 3 months and 17 days since i got the botox and have been checking the mail every morning for a letter.

I am a bit worried about going for the surgery and having a bad outcome but on the other hand, i want to just go for it and hopefully it will be a positive outcome.

Just need to hope and pray.

Thanks for reading!

hi there
i have had about 12 surgieres throughout my life and i am 16 years old. the first daughter i had a surgery with when i was a baby screwed up my eyes. i dont want to scare u, the reason he did is becuase he was a bad doctor. if you have a good one you will be fine. i do suggest though to try vision therapy before a surgery. i have a lazy eye that some notice and some dont even after all the surgeries. i have low self esteem and the one thing i hate and regret from having this condition is that i cant make eye contact and its sad becuase without this i feel i would be so outgoing and positive and it has taken all my happiness i ever wanted away. so if you do thes rugery i wish you the very best and i hope it works out for you.
goodluck


wish you the very best, kelly

Hi kellylang,

Thanks for the reply!

I am still waiting for the appointment to come through for the surgery date, been checking every morning. I have made my mind up this time to go for it, if it does not work out, i am going to wear an eye patch to hide it.

I think i would feel more comfortable with a patch and not hide my face rather than go about the rest of my life hiding my eye....plus they are kinda cool looking now.

I will let you know how the operation goes once i have it.

Hope you start to feel better about yourself, if some people don't notice, it might not be as bad as you think, people like ourselves with a squint/lazy eye really focus on our own eyes and other because of our condition, but i think other people dont notice it as much as us.

Here is another support group that has support for this condition....

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Strab ismusHope/

Cheers!

I haven't had it yet. I'm still struggling with the fears, the insurance, oh, and the fears. You can read about my journey here.

http://my-strabismus-surgery.blogspot.com/ 2007/04/26-reasons-to-get-corrective-eye.h tml

Okay, typically I don't respond to these boards. But I was reading and thought I'd share my story.

Had surgery at 4 1/2. Okay, so I guess it MUST have slipped out. I didn't realize it didn't work--no one told me. Over the years (I'm now 44) I got some odd comments. One woman told me I should have it corrected when I was working as an onsite salesperson for a condo developer (I was in my 30's). One man told a friend of mine I had shifty eyes--she berratedd him and told him I had a lazy eye. And then I also got those looks we all get--the ones where people look to see what your other (lazy) eye is looking at.

Once I realized this was a problem, I started to notice that my eye was getting worse. It took me several years to decide to have the operation. I didn't dare look at photos (God forbid I'd been avoiding seeing this major imperfection all those years).

I also realized that many jobs I never got--PROBABLY were lost due to this. It wasn't that I had been underqualified--or the wrong personality (people generally liked me)--it was my lazy eye. This is what I came to believe. People coudn't relate to me because I looked gross. (Granted many of my friends and coworkers eventually didn't see the issue anymore--but it took time for them to not see it.)

So I decided last year to find a good eye doctor and have it corrected. Which I did. But it didn't work right. While the first operation made it better--it still was too far our. Though the pupil wasn't going back into my head anymore, there wasn't much white on the side either. i was disappointed and told my doctor such. She had me visit a colleague, who was a stabismus specialist--as a second opinion (at her suggestion). They both decided I needed surgery on the other muscle of my right eye. It had obviously weakened over the years. I just had that on Wednesday.

While I was touted as a candidate who didn't have a likelihood of double vision I've had some driving. But it's only been a few days and since my right eye had turned out long ago, I'm hoping it will self correct itself. What a difference it has made in how I look. I felt so "wrong" before--like a monster--now I don't. I can only hope all the other problems will correct themselves.

I've had some pain. And I had to take off work this surgery (the last time I was able to conceal it and just take some vacation time)--so people will notice the blood in my eye. My doctor said that with this surgery I might have a bloodshot eye for up to 6 weeks. Still, I think it will all be worth it. It's amazing how people guage everything about a person by if they make eye contact--and "straight" eye contact at that.

Anyhow, I just wanted to share. Hope this helps someone. If it does, please let me know.

wow I just stumbled across this forum and skirpy your story sounds very similar to what I have just been through.

I had 4 strabismus surgeries, on both eyes, the last one being when i was 4 years old.

Even though my eyes had drifted by the time i was about 9 I never really even notice it until i got to high school and kids started questioning me about what was up with my eyes. Although even then it didn't particularly bother me. It wasn't until i had finished school and i was at university, meeting new people and also working etc that it really began to upset me. That was when i began to constantly notice people looking at me funny or looking behind them to see where i was looking which of course would bring it to my attention constantly that I was different. I am 25 now, and perhaps as a stoke of luck my boss's son, who has the same condition, had surgery to correct his eye. After seeing the results he got and hearing about how happy he was with it I really started to consider another surgery.

I dwelled on it for quite a few months wondering if it was really worth it, particularly as even though some people noticed it but many others said they never did and thought my eyes were fine. I started to doubt myself, but then i thought about the fact that I had come to deal with it almost subconsciously around people, such as turning on the side to look at people and constantly looking away so that it would be less noticeable. But of course whenever I had to talk to someone front on it was always in the back of my mind I would be wondering what they were thinking of me and if they were noticing etc. So that, plus the fact that when it comes down to it, it annoys ME so screw what everyone else thinks, if it annoys me that much (which it did) then why shouldn't i do something about it? So i got the referral to the ophthalmologist to see what could be done.

It seems I've had quite a similar experience with the docs etc, when they did all the measurements it indicated that i would get double vision, so they did the botox as a "test" to see how it would go. I did get a bit of double vision but only really looking to the side, and I think that was mainly due to the botoxed eye simply not being able to move. When i was looking straight it was fine, so all indications showed surgery should be fine, although of course there still was a slight risk of double vision. But anyway the botox result was good enough for me and i thought yep, why not go for it. I had also been told that any surgery would most likely not be permanent and the eye would drift again, but I thought well surely they can't make it any worse, and if i can get a good few years out of it then to me it's still worth it!! I had gotten to the point where all I wanted was to look in the mirror and see both my eyes staring back at me.

They did surgery on 2 of my right eye muscles, to bring the eye down and in. The outer muscle was an adjustable suture which worked out very well. The first week or so after I was getting a bit of double vision and starting to freak out thinking I may have done the wrong thing!!! But my brain slowly got used to the new eye position and is relearning to shut off the other eye. The more the days go on and the more it heals the happier I am that I went through with it. I'm still trying to get used to the fact I can look people straight in the eye and they actually know I'm looking at them! Also I can't wait to have photos taken now lol part of me wants to go and get head shots taken just for the sake of it :p

But anyway, I've rambled on long enough, and this thread is old so I don't even know if it's worth it lol but yeah speaking from a similar experience it really is turning out to be the best thing I've ever done for myself

As a child I had surgery, I guess I was in kindergarden? I can remember as a child going to childrens hospital and coming out blinded painfully by the sun because my eyes were dilated all the time. I remember waking up after surgery and throwing up. I dont remember any double-vision, I guess I could have had it? My eyes went back to the way they were and well my mother blamed some kid for this happening. Parents!
It has always been so embarassing making eye contact. I cant imagine being a boy and not having hair to hide behind! I have 4 children. Of the four two have my eye problem. One was corrected because she wore her glasses and over the years it went away. She started wearing her glasses at age 2 and still wears them. Her eyes just straightened out about a year ago, she is 13. My son who lives with his father also has this condition. He was not made to wear his glasses and has a really bad crossed eye. My eye has gotten more noticeable through these past couple of years. It causes headaches and sometimes nausea when I am not driving the car I am in. I am having surgery in hopes that it will work for me and I can go get my son and pay for him to have this operation so that the rest of his young years arent destroyed by mean people chipping away at his self esteem. If this works for me, it will be a double blessing. I pray that I dont get cursed with double vision for being so vane. I use to dream about what I would look like and how different I would be with a straight eye. I do think I am very beautiful. I sometimes thought I was cursed with this eye problem because God couldnt make me perfect, lol. That was a joke. Seriously though, I would stand in front of the mirror and cover my eye and imagine the other side of my face looking the same.
It would be stupid for me not to do this. I have dreamed my whole life of being"normal". I am not sure if I will feel the same way after the surgery. But this is a chance I have to take for myself and for my son who is now too old to have corrective glasses work. How great it would be to finally look at someone in the eyes and feel confident! When asked what the hell I am looking at, I can honeslty respond "YOU"! lol.
Wish me luck, and I wish all of you luck on your journeys

hello all ..
im so glad i found this site..
i just had my third surgery and ugh!.. I was much better off prior to the last two surgeries..
Im hoping a new Dr in Albany will help correct bad allignment.
Has anyone here had numerous surgeries with successful allignment?

thank ;you

Seasalt...

Hey all,
I have had three surgeries to repair squint in left eye, one when I was two, then again when I was 7 and then again when I was thirty. I am now 35 and I feel that it needs to be done again. This is despite the fact that I ask my husband and best friend over and over again if they can tell, my favourite line is 'does my eye look wonky today?' Both of them assure me that it looks fine - but I know better - does anyone else feel like that? Anyway I made an appointment through my optician/GP to see a specialist at the eye hospital, he could believes something can be done although he is slightly concerned about scar tissue after three operations. However the thing that worried me about the consultation was that he said they might try operating on both eyes this time - I am worried because my good eye is absolutely fine and I'm worried I will lose vision in this eye or that both eyes will be 'wonky'. I have to go and see an occular therapist in three weeks so I will get more information then. I sometimes feel a bit vain about this especially when so many people have far worse things to deal with but everytime I look in the mirror or see a photo I have taken of myself I get so upset and frustrated (I never look straight on at someone else's camera or look people straight on). Anyone had success with getting straight eyes after having both operated on?

Howdy, I have had three surgeries one when i was 12 months old, one at two years and recently on aug 25 aged 33 years.All on my left eye. My eye turned or drifted outwards so had it corrected however the specialist over corrected it now its slightly off centre and now turns inward. Because it is still so soon after surgery my eye is still really blood shot and inflamed to really tell the true result but at the moment im not very happy. The specialist says to wait three months for eye to heal and if im still not happy to try botox. Has anybody had any luck with botox at all?Once i start with botox injections do i have to keep having more?Im starting to regret having it done because everybody i know said why did you get that done we never noticed anything which i find very hard to believe. They reckon they can all noticed the turn in now.