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Should termination of fetus in prostetic womb be a womans right

Yes, its always the womans choice

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yes, but only before 12 weeks

10%

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Yes, but only before 24 weeks

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Yes, but only before viability

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Yes but only if the woman made a mistake in choosing the sperm doner

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Yes, but only if the fetus maybe disabled

10%

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Yes, but only if the sperm doner was a rapist

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Yes, but only if the woman is dying

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Izzy

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Womens Rights Posted: 01-23-06 18:09pm


Ok, we live in the future, I am a doctor, abortionist. The year is 2050 since the year 2025 there has been a prostetic womb developed. Sex is now only for pleasure, when a woman wants a baby all reproduction is done by taking a males sperm (of her choosing) and fertalising the egg in the lab, then the resulting zygote is placed in the prostetic womb. Its safe its clean its reliable. If the woman decides that she no longer wants a baby should the termination of the zygote, embryo or fetus be a legal choice for the woman? If "no" then please state reason!

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Posted: 01-24-06 16:50pm

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ok, we live in the future, I am a doctor, abortionist. The year is 2050

since the year 2025 there has been a prostetic womb developed.

Sex is now only for pleasure, when a woman wants a baby all reproduction is done by taking a males sperm (of her choosing) and fertalising the egg in the lab, then the resulting zygote is placed in the prostetic womb. Its safe its clean its reliable.

If the woman decides that she no longer wants a baby should the termination of the zygote, embryo or fetus be a legal choice for the woman?

If "no" then please state reason!

well I chose yes..If she was dying..But only if there wasnt anyone who could care for the baby ...(family member ..Etc)..But the women made the decision to be pregnant ....She shouldnt be allowed to have an abortion..Because she have the decision and she should stick with it...Maybe she should have taken the time to research about the procedure ..In this case abortion is very stupid ...Because the women made the decision..She shouldnt be able to turn back and take the babys life

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Posted: 01-24-06 16:57pm


I have to say that I also don't think the woman should be allowed to "abort" the fetus in the prosthetic womb because she chose to have that fetus brought into life in the first place, unlike modern unwanred accidental pregnancies. I guess only in the case that she was dying and there would be no one else to care for it, or, like today, if the fetus is deformed or has a seriously debilitating genetic disease. As for the sperm donor being a rapist, how does that work?? I mean, doesn't the woman get the sperm from the sperm bank? So who the "father" is doesn't matter. I think i'm missing something here. Did he force her to use his sperm or something? You can't "accidentally" impregnate an artifical womb, so I just don't see how the donor being a rapist makes any sense.

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Posted: 01-25-06 08:34am


I had the veiw before my termination that it was no right to terminate a pregnancy but since having mine my veiws have changed. I think that in most abortions these days the girls/women are not there because they didn't make sure they wouldn't get pregnant. 3 yrs ago my childrens dad walked out on me leaving me pregnant. I did think of terminating but I just couldn't make myself do it. But then I knew that I could bring my baby and her big bro (3 at the time) onn my own. When I fell pregnant after being raped 2 yrs ago I had no second thoughts of terminating the pregnacy. That baby would never been loved by me like I love my other 2 children. No-one has a right to tell someone else what they can do with their bodies. Even thee women who just think abortion is just another way of birth control. Abortion is not easy to do and at the end of the day we who do terminate have to live with that desision for the rest of our lives. I have gone through hell making myself come to terms with half of me has gone too. There are so many kids in this world who get abused or just thrown away like rubbish why bring a child into the world if you can't love or care for them? Yes there is adoption but not many children find good families and then we have children who abuse/thieve/homicide etc. Please remember that us who terminnate do pay for our sins by not being able to forget

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Posted: 01-25-06 12:41pm


"please remember that us who terminnate do pay for our sins by not being able to forget " i think thats cold comfort for your victims - too dumb to think of adoption? Your a bad mother! How do I know this - you killed your kids!

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Posted: 01-25-06 13:13pm

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i think thats cold comfort for your victims - too dumb to think of adoption?

Your a bad mother! How do I know this - you killed your kids!

and that's very cold of you to say that. Sadness, don't take that to heart - no one should have to endure what you did 2 years ago. You made the right choice - a child spawned from rape would only have served as a painful reminder of an awful experience.

But as far as the intent of the topic, I do believe the woman should have every right to terminate pregnancy in a prosthetic womb. If she decides to create a child, she can decide to end its life as well. If such a thing as a prosthetic uterus were to be made, how would we prevent people from conceiving children the natural way? Mandatory sterilization, perhaps? Haha, I think we need that now..

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Posted: 01-25-06 13:49pm


"if she decides to create a child, she can decide to end its life as well." so if a woman and her husband decide they want a child after his wife gets pregnant the father decides to end the life.. Thats ok, because he decided to create that child in the first place.

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Posted: 01-25-06 14:42pm


Don't judge others unless you have faced this face on. You have your veiw but if i'm not wrong we all have a right to make our own decisions and not have others make us feel like we should go to hell. Are you saying god made us he should kill us? Where was god when I was raped? Where was he when a 12 yr old gets tricked by an older boy to make love and she falls pregnant? You have your veiws but they are not mine or the 100's of women who have to decide to terminate or die themselves? For some women it's the terminnation or we kill ourselves!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted: 01-25-06 14:48pm

izzy wrote:

"please remember that us who terminnate do pay for our sins by not being able to forget "

i think thats cold comfort for your victims - too dumb to think of adoption?

Your a bad mother! How do I know this - you killed your kids!

i kill in your words not mine!!!!!! I killed a rapists baby not a baby made in love!!!!

I have two lovely children and I know when I tell them in the future they will know it was their bro/sis or mum!!!!

I'm a good mum and I know that. I feel sorry for your children or any future children because their mum has no love or understanding of others pain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted: 01-25-06 15:11pm


Wow, pro-life is being very un-christian in here! Where is all of their forgiveness and love? Not here, that's for damn sure. I'm sory sadness, but remember that there are people who do care for you. It sounds like you are a wonderful mother! My moher aborted a child too, and I have the utmost respect for her; and it does not bring me pain to know this about her.

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Posted: 01-25-06 15:13pm

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"kid" in the singular, you cold-hearted... Anyway... Calling sadness dumb and your other insults.... Fallacy! Keep to debate, not personal insults.

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Posted: 01-25-06 16:22pm


Well said cambion and eire. Excuse izzy, he knows not what he says, we could say a lot of not so nice things about him to but we would not waste the time or effort! You did the right thing and I agree that abortion is not an easy thing to do but at times it is the right thing to do, thank goodness for choice! I know, my dr insisted I have two abortions and he was right I still went on to have two perfect ones that are both grown. The very best to you and yours!

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Posted: 01-25-06 16:57pm


Thanks everyone but izzy. I must be asleep not to guess that izzy was a man. It all makes sense now!!!! Men should not tell women what to do when it comes to their body. Izzy I don't know why your so angry but if some women terminated your child then i'm sorry but I was raped!!!! I hope you never have to suffer paiin like I do every day. See I am a good person because I can forgive your attack on me because your not a women so can't ever have to decided for your body what to do. May god forgive you too

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Posted: 01-25-06 21:20pm

sadness wrote:

don't judge others unless you have faced this face on.

You have your veiw but if i'm not wrong we all have a right to make our own decisions and not have others make us feel like we should go to hell.

Are you saying god made us he should kill us?

Where was god when I was raped? Where was he when a 12 yr old gets tricked by an older boy to make love and she falls pregnant?

You have your veiws but they are not mine or the 100's of women who have to decide to terminate or die themselves?

For some women it's the terminnation or we kill ourselves!!!!!!!!!!

dear sadness

as we grow up we learn many things. One we learn well is that in life we have to be prepared for tragedy and death. That's why they say live your as it is the last day. God did not promised us happiness in the earth life but in the eternal one, the one after we die. If I have blessings during this life great but if I don't and I have to live through a lot of pain during this life what I do is pray to jesus. No matter what you hear in this world god likes to comfort and likes to heal. This is the thruth. Look my brother died three years ago at age 33. My mom never did anything wrong, married a good man and yet he had to see my brother die. She and I could have questioned god where was he to protect my brother but we did not blamed .God. We just hold on to .God closer and god has been healing us from the horrible pain, my mom is doing alright now and I was so scared my mom would wanted to kill herself after my brother died but no that did not happened. God our lord has given us strenght to go on with life. Trust me he is there to heal.

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Posted: 01-25-06 22:59pm

sadness wrote:

thanks everyone but izzy.

I must be asleep not to guess that izzy was a man.

It all makes sense now!!!!

Men should not tell women what to do when it comes to their body.

Izzy I don't know why your so angry but if some women terminated your child then i'm sorry but I was raped!!!!

I hope you never have to suffer paiin like I do every day.

See I am a good person because I can forgive your attack on me because your not a women so can't ever have to decided for your body what to do.

May god forgive you too

so what if he is a man?? Men have to be present to make the baby remember? Therefore, the men have just as much a say in the topic of abortion. Don't try to write off killing babies with this excuse. "wahhh, he's a man, it doesn't matter what he thingks....Wahhhhhh!!!!" :roll:

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Posted: 01-26-06 00:45am

sunshine424 wrote:

sadness wrote:

would you want a man telling you that you had to use your body as his sexual pleasure device, even if you didn't want to have sex? That's called rape, isn't it? Well a man also doesn't have the right, even after consentual sex, to force the woman's body to bear his child.

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Posted: 01-26-06 08:09am

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izzy wrote:

izzy this is bang out of order you know nothing of this womans parenting skills all you know is what you are told by her.
I thought that this board was supposed to be moving on from personal attacks.

well apparently some of us are more mature than others, but I won't name names.

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Posted: 01-26-06 10:04am

eiri wrote:

sunshine424 wrote:

sadness wrote:

no, I would never allow a man to use my body as his "sexual device" but that isn't the issue. I said the man has a say, a right in what the woman does during her pregnancy because it's his baby too. The only thing that sets them apart is he doesn't carry the child. But human nature doesn't allow that. I bet there are some men out there that would be willing to carry a child in order to avoid abortion on the woman's part.

I wonder if abortion would be more of a problem with men or less. That would be interesting to know. Lol

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Posted: 01-26-06 13:14pm


"i kill in your words not mine!!!!!! " are you quoting adolf hitler? "i killed a rapists baby not a baby made in love!!!! " ooo look in your words... Your very own words you say you killed a baby, a little tiny baby, defenceless and innocent, never hurt anyone its whole life... And you chop it up and hack it to peices (how it was concieved is mattless) how can you expect to be regarded by decent human beings as nothing more than a killer and deserved of the harshest prison sentance. "i'm a good mum and I know that. I feel sorry for your children or any future children because their mum has no love or understanding of others pain" yeah all good mothers kill their kids! Oh you have pain... Yet no remorse...Ah poor you. "don't judge others unless you have faced this face on." i am not judging her, I am judging her choice, which is a reflection on her, she may be a good worker or a good giver to charity, these things I dont judge.. I am not saying she is a nasty person... Just a bad mother and a killer. "you have your veiw but if i'm not wrong we all have a right to make our own decisions " yeah its legal to make the choice to kill your children..... There is no .R.I.G.H.T in it. "and not have others make us feel like we should go to hell." oh right you want to kill kids and no one say anything, you want your opinion to be heard but no one elses... Too bad. "where was god when I was raped?" he was being concieved in your womb! "where was he when a 12 yr old gets tricked by an older boy to make love and she falls pregnant?" in the love of her parents, and others around her as well as in her and in the child in her womb.. .As well as in the older boy who done wrong.. We have freedom to choose to do good or evil.... Where was god when you choose to kill your child? "you have your veiws but they are not mine or the 100's of women who have to decide to terminate or die themselves?" or die themselves.... Now hang on your putting words in my mouth! "for some women it's the terminnation or we kill ourselves!!!!!!!!!!" we wont be held to ransom by the threat of suicide... I think if there is 98% drop in abortion and a rise of 5 - 15% of women killing themselves... I can live with that.... Its the lesser of two evils! Say 20,000 women kill themselves... Its their choice 1.2 million women kill their child... Its m.Ur. D ar "wow, pro-life is being very un-christian in here! Where is all of their forgiveness and love? Not here, that's for damn sure. " where is the remorse or the repentance.... Not here thats for damn sure... You expect forgiveness for something you are not sorry for doing? And love..... Hypocrit!.... Wheres your love for the child? "my moher aborted a child too, and I have the utmost respect for her; and it does not bring me pain to know this about her." thats cos your a sick individual who believes child killing is "ok" ""kid" in the singular, you cold-hearted... " cold hearted... I am not the one who killed my "kid" "excuse izzy, he knows not what he says" oh I know very well what I say... And I would stick by it unto pain of death. "we could say a lot of not so nice things about him to " but at least I didnt kill my kid! "thanks everyone but izzy." why..Dont you like being told the truth...Go on thank someone for telling you lies to make you feel better! "i must be asleep not to guess that izzy was a man. It all makes sense now!!!! " but I was a woman in a former life... Ah being a man or a woman regarding the issue of abortion makes no difference, either your into killing kids or your not. "men should not tell women what to do when it comes to their body. " your child you killed, he or she was not your body.... You can do what you like with your body... But when you force your beliefs onto an innocent child by killing him, well thats out of order! "izzy I don't know why your so angry but if some women terminated your child then i'm sorry but I was raped!!!!" you were raped so you killed someone related to the rapist (and yourself)... Great revenge! "i hope you never have to suffer paiin like I do every day." pain, what at your abortion or the rape...Did your abortion help rid you of the emotional effect... Did it nelly, you have just compounded it upon yourself.... And yet you would do the same again and support others who do the same... I hope all I say and all I do makes that pain just a little harder to bare. "may god forgive you too" i repent and feel remorse for my failings and weaknesses...And I know I need forgivness... But if you really believed in god, you would understand that if by saying these things to you as I do its out of love, not mallace.. But you wouldnt understand that... Because you dont know god....I hope I increase the pain and suffering in your life because it is in the pain and suffering we meet jesus on the cross... Then you would understand. "izzy this is bang out of order you know nothing of this womans parenting skills" with all due respect (and it is due) I stated a fact based on one thingand I do not pretend otherwise...Fact: she killed her child... Would you say this made her a good mother or a bad mother? "i thought that this board was supposed to be moving on from personal attacks." its not a personal attack, its a true statment based on a single fact. "well apparently some of us are more mature than others, but I won't name names." hmmm someone who is prepared to take responsiblity for his sexual actions vs someone who would od anything to escape her responsiblities...Even killing her children.... Who is immature

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Posted: 01-26-06 18:08pm

sunshine424 wrote:

eiri wrote:

sunshine424 wrote:

sadness wrote:

yes, it is partially the issue, because allowing a man to help decide takes away the woman's right to control her own body. What if the law was that abortions had to be approved unanimously with couples; ie the father andmother both have to consent? It sounds lovely at first, except that then you will have men forcing their wives and girlfriends to reproduce; rapists demanding the child live, and men purposly denying their wives abortions when the pregnancy will kill them.

Men certain can have input, but just like on the support forum, it's just their opinion, and the final desicion belongs to the woman. I would seriously consider my boyfriend's opinions if I ever became pregnant; whether it was abortion, adoption or keeping it.