the thing is
cabion, you're not all that unique; i'm
interested in medevial torture as well,
though probably not to your level :) i'd
suggest the museums of torture in germany,
they're excellent. Everyone is peverted;
they just don't want to admit it. I too
am reluctant to admit to miracles; i'm far
to scientifically minded.
i know i'm not that unique - i'm just nuts
in the head :) as far as torture, perhaps
someday I can visit those museums in
germany. I would love to see some
medieval torture toys up close.
And while I believe in the existence of
spirits, I do not believe in any gods -
besides all the things I described myself
as in my previous post, i'm also an
adamant evolutionist - I don't credit god
with making humans "in the beginning", nor
do I credit him with making the "pwecious
widdle miracles" that people know today as
babies. All life is a matter of nature
taking its course, as far as i'm
concerned.
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lsipes
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Posted: 01-26-06 22:39pm
Quote:
it's so badly
translated and misinterpreted to serve the
catholic religion's needs.
this is true of most religious text as we
know it today. Let's not forget that
when the catholic religion came to be in
the 3rd century, there were many books of
the bible destroyed.
Let's not forget about the apocryphal
texts which shed light on the fact that
eve was not the first woman created.
Adam had another wife before her, whose
name was lilith. If you know nothing of
these texts, I suggest you research.
You may be amazed.
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Posted: 01-26-06 23:19pm
lsipes
wrote:
Quote:
it's so badly
translated and misinterpreted to serve the
catholic religion's needs.
this is true of most religious text as we
know it today. Let's not forget that
when the catholic religion came to be in
the 3rd century, there were many books of
the bible destroyed.
Let's not forget about the apocryphal
texts which shed light on the fact that
eve was not the first woman created.
Adam had another wife before her, whose
name was lilith. If you know nothing
of these texts, I suggest you research.
You may be
amazed.
oh trust me, I know about them! Very
fascinating. There's even a gospel by
mary madgalen!
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lsipes
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Joined: 15 Jan 2006 Posts: 325
Posted: 01-26-06 23:45pm
eiri
wrote:
lsipes
wrote:
Quote:
it's so badly
translated and misinterpreted to serve the
catholic religion's needs.
this is true of most religious text as we
know it today. Let's not forget that
when the catholic religion came to be in
the 3rd century, there were many books of
the bible destroyed.
Let's not forget about the apocryphal
texts which shed light on the fact that
eve was not the first woman created.
Adam had another wife before her, whose
name was lilith. If you know nothing
of these texts, I suggest you research.
You may be
amazed.
oh trust me, I know about them! Very
fascinating. There's even a gospel by
mary
madgalen!
i know!!!! That's my favorite!! I'm
actually a bit impressed that you know of
them. So many people accept the bible as
it is not knowing how it was really
intended, kwim?
When I was married I was expected to be
the "god fearing wife". I faked it, but
really dug deep into religion just for the
pure knowledge of it. Not necessarily
belief. It really is fascinating when
you uncover those things that so many
others know nothing of. :)
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Posted: 01-27-06 00:00am
lsipes
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
lsipes
wrote:
Quote:
it's so badly
translated and misinterpreted to serve the
catholic religion's needs.
this is true of most religious text as we
know it today. Let's not forget that
when the catholic religion came to be in
the 3rd century, there were many books of
the bible destroyed.
Let's not forget about the apocryphal
texts which shed light on the fact that
eve was not the first woman created.
Adam had another wife before her, whose
name was lilith. If you know nothing
of these texts, I suggest you research.
You may be
amazed.
oh trust me, I know about them! Very
fascinating. There's even a gospel by
mary
madgalen!
i know!!!! That's my favorite!!
I'm actually a bit impressed that you know
of them. So many people accept the
bible as it is not knowing how it was
really intended, kwim?
When I was married I was expected to be
the "god fearing wife". I faked it, but
really dug deep into religion just for the
pure knowledge of it. Not necessarily
belief. It really is fascinating when
you uncover those things that so many
others know nothing of.
:)
i know! It seems almost odd that many
people who aren't the devout
"bible-thumping" or evangelical or
born-again christians are the ones who end
up knowing more about the religion. I
myself am no longer christian; I was
raised that way but the religion just
didn't satisfy me. I've always had long
talks with god; so it wasn't the
spirituality. It was some of the general
ideas and concepts (and the contradictory
bible) that really turned me off as I grew
older and wiser. And the fact that i'm so
scientifically minded! That really
conflicted!
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lsipes
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Posted: 01-27-06 00:12am
I know. I struggled with that for the
longest time. It's so hard to be
educated (i love the sciences, as well)
and believe in christianity.
I was brough up catholic, and when I
married, converted to baptist. It wasn't
until I really dug deep and understood
what I was reading that I decided I
couldn't believe once and for all. It's
too contradictory, too left up to
perception, etc. It started out with not
supporting organized religion. Churches
are all about politics and money.
I too, feel that it's the ones that don't
necessarily believe in it that actually
know more about religion. Because we
aren't sucked into the black hole that is
"blind faith" lol
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Posted: 01-27-06 08:47am
lsipes
wrote:
it really is fascinating
when you uncover those things that so many
others know nothing of.
:)
and what things did you uncovered? Tell
us several examples
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Posted: 01-27-06 10:41am
nightangel73
wrote:
lsipes
wrote:
it really is fascinating
when you uncover those things that so many
others know nothing of.
:)
and what things did you uncovered? Tell
us several
examples
well scholars have known for ages, but
most christians are unaware that an
accureate translation of the bible shows
god referring to himself in the plural
during genesis; that along with "you shall
hold no god before me" (it isn't ever "i
am the only god" it is "i am the one true
god" or "i am the god above all others")
sort of shows that there were other gods
out there, and that the christian god knew
of them. He didn't necessarily care if
you worshipped them, but you couldn't
worhip them above him. He was the best
one supposedly, lol.
Also, there is of course lillith, plus
these things called nephillim which are
neither human, god, devil or angel. No
one knows what they are.
Then there are all of the books that never
made it into the christian version of the
bible; one of them being the book of mary
(mary madegaline).
Also, did you know that even in the king
james version, the sections that are
poetry and the sectons that are prose were
written at two different times; and that
in some sections if you red the prose
first and ten the poetry seperately, they
contradict themselves! This is most
evident in the story of .Job. In the
poetry, .Job ends up cursing god for all
of his misfortunes. He gets quite mad at
god actually!. The prose has a different
story in which .Job always remains
faithful to god and never curses him or
becomes angry.
One story means "god does bad things to
people for no reason whatsoever; and
that's just what happens somtimes". The
other story is the more known one, ".Job
never waivered from his faith, even when
things looked bleak; so you too should
never curse god, even in times of
trouble".
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lsipes
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Joined: 15 Jan 2006 Posts: 325
Posted: 01-27-06 12:56pm
eiri
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
lsipes
wrote:
it really is fascinating
when you uncover those things that so many
others know nothing of.
:)
and what things did you uncovered? Tell
us several
examples
well scholars have known for ages, but
most christians are unaware that an
accureate translation of the bible shows
god referring to himself in the plural
during genesis; that along with "you shall
hold no god before me" (it isn't ever "i
am the only god" it is "i am the one true
god" or "i am the god above all others")
sort of shows that there were other gods
out there, and that the christian god knew
of them. He didn't necessarily care if
you worshipped them, but you couldn't
worhip them above him. He was the best
one supposedly, lol.
Also, there is of course lillith, plus
these things called nephillim which are
neither human, god, devil or angel. No
one knows what they are.
Then there are all of the books that never
made it into the christian version of the
bible; one of them being the book of mary
(mary madegaline).
Also, did you know that even in the king
james version, the sections that are
poetry and the sectons that are prose were
written at two different times; and that
in some sections if you red the prose
first and ten the poetry seperately, they
contradict themselves! This is most
evident in the story of .Job. In the
poetry, .Job ends up cursing god for all
of his misfortunes. He gets quite mad at
god actually!. The prose has a different
story in which .Job always remains
faithful to god and never curses him or
becomes angry.
One story means "god does bad things to
people for no reason whatsoever; and
that's just what happens somtimes". The
other story is the more known one, ".Job
never waivered from his faith, even when
things looked bleak; so you too should
never curse god, even in times of
trouble".
basically, everything she said. I'm
still studying.
The most intriguing for me is lillith,
adam's first wife. She and adam were
both created of dust and were equal to one
another in every way. Adam didn't like
that she was "equal" to him and tried to
make her submissive. Lillith wouldn't
stand for it and and a consequence, she
was banished from the garden of eden. It
was then that god created eve from adam's
rib. Eve, not knowing any better was
adam's submissive wife. God began to
question if him creating eve for adam was
the right decision because adam took a
little too much pleasure in having his
slave wife. Adam had told her of
lillith, but said that she was an evil
demon to be feared. On one of lillith's
fights to get back into the garden, eve
saw her for the first time. Another
woman. Just like her. It was then that
she began to question her existance as
"adam's wife" and not "eve". It was this
that led to her defiantly eating the
forbidden fruit.
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Posted: 01-28-06 01:02am
lsipes
wrote:
the most intriguing for me is lillith,
adam's first wife. She and adam were
both created of dust and were equal to one
another in every way. Adam didn't like
that she was "equal" to him and tried to
make her submissive. Lillith wouldn't
stand for it and and a consequence, she
was banished from the garden of eden.
It was then that god created eve from
adam's rib. Eve, not knowing any
better was adam's submissive wife. God
began to question if him creating eve for
adam was the right decision because adam
took a little too much pleasure in having
his slave wife. Adam had told her of
lillith, but said that she was an evil
demon to be feared. On one of
lillith's fights to get back into the
garden, eve saw her for the first time.
Another woman. Just like her. It
was then that she began to question her
existance as "adam's wife" and not "eve".
It was this that led to her defiantly
eating the forbidden
fruit.
it looks to me that if you are intrigued
about lilith that you do believe in the
bible. I would have expected with your
kind of thought that you believe adam and
eve story to be just another fairy talke
from the bible book, just as lilith.
Makes me laugh.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 01-28-06 01:08am
lsipes
wrote:
i know. I struggled with
that for the longest time. It's so hard
to be educated (i love the sciences, as
well) and believe in christianity.
Because we aren't sucked into the black
hole that is "blind faith"
lol
i am highly educated, I hold a masters
degree and I find it very easy to believe
in christianity.
Faith is not blind. Faith by nature is
believing in what you can't see or prove.
So you either have faith or you don't.
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Melissa2006
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Posted: 01-28-06 01:41am
Matthew 7:1 judge not, that ye be not
judged.
Mat 7:2 for with what judgment ye judge,
ye shall be judged: and with what measure
ye mete, it shall be measured to you
again.
Mat 7:3 and why beholdest thou the mote
that is in thy brother's eye, but
considerest not the beam that is in thine
own eye?
Mat 7:4 or how wilt thou say to thy
brother, let me pull out the mote out of
thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine
own eye?
Mat 7:5 thou hypocrite, first cast out the
beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt
thou see clearly to cast out the mote out
of thy brother's eye.
I havent ever posted here before but what
seems to amaze me is how people just throw
around quotes from the bible and only use
them for their own use. Here are a few
that I think alot of you here need to see.
None of you were put here to judge
anyone. The sad part is I actually let
these kinds of things get to me. I just
think that if you havent ever been in one
of these types of situations that you
shouldnt even have an opnion about the
topic. It hurts me to think that not only
do people who have abortions have to stand
before god one day, its like they have to
spend the rest of their lives trying to
make every thing better with someone who
doesnt even decide whether its going to be
heaven or hell. I use to be just like all
of you and quick to judge and then guess
what. October 6th of 2005 I got the
results of my afp test and I had a 1 in 65
chance of spina bifida. I went and had a
level 2 ultrasound the same day only to
have my whole life shatter before my eyes.
I was 17w4ds and my sweet little innocent
child didnt have a brain this was the
result of a severe ntd. (anencephaly) so
now what am I suppose to think? Im 20
years old already have 1 son who just
turned a year old 10-03-2005. I had to
leave the doctors office knowing that
either way it went my child was going to
die. I made the hardest choice that I
have ever had to make that day. I would
go into the hospital and be induced. I
had my child oct. 8, 2005 at 2:14pm. Do
I feel like I made the wrong
choice.....Not even for one second have I
ever thought that I did. When I came on
this website I came here to seek and give
support for people who where or are in
simular situations as me. I didnt come
here to pick a fight or to stur up and
argument. I came here to let you know
that casting judgement on someone is just
as bad as "killing" someone. I do know
one thing though when it is time to be
judged no one sin is greater than
anyother.
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lsipes
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Joined: 15 Jan 2006 Posts: 325
Posted: 01-28-06 07:41am
nightangel73
wrote:
lsipes
wrote:
i know. I struggled with
that for the longest time. It's so
hard to be educated (i love the sciences,
as well) and believe in christianity.
Because we aren't sucked into the black
hole that is "blind faith"
lol
i am highly educated, I hold a masters
degree and I find it very easy to believe
in christianity.
Faith is not blind. Faith by nature is
believing in what you can't see or prove.
So you either have faith or you
don't.
as far as you comment in your post before
this one, you have no idea what "kind of
thought" I have. So don't assume you do.
You can be intrigued by something
without believing it to be true. Duh.
As far as this goes? The bible says that
you are to have "blind faith". A faith
in the unknown or unseen. Absolute
faith, the purest kind of faith. The
faith of a child. So if you're saying
your faith is not blind, then you're not
having the type of faith the bible says
you're supposed to have. :wink:
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Posted: 01-29-06 00:51am
nightangel73
wrote:
lsipes
wrote:
the most intriguing for me is lillith,
adam's first wife. She and adam were
both created of dust and were equal to one
another in every way. Adam didn't
like that she was "equal" to him and tried
to make her submissive. Lillith
wouldn't stand for it and and a
consequence, she was banished from the
garden of eden. It was then that god
created eve from adam's rib. Eve, not
knowing any better was adam's submissive
wife. God began to question if him
creating eve for adam was the right
decision because adam took a little too
much pleasure in having his slave wife.
Adam had told her of lillith, but said
that she was an evil demon to be feared.
On one of lillith's fights to get back
into the garden, eve saw her for the first
time. Another woman. Just like
her. It was then that she began to
question her existance as "adam's wife"
and not "eve". It was this that led
to her defiantly eating the forbidden
fruit.
it looks to me that if you are intrigued
about lilith that you do believe in the
bible. I would have expected with your
kind of thought that you believe adam and
eve story to be just another fairy talke
from the bible book, just as lilith.
Makes me
laugh.
it's quite possible to be intrigued by
something but not believe it. I don't
believe .Star .Trek is real, but i'm a big
fan of it. The same goes for .Firefly, or
any scifi show for that matter. I'm a
huge fan; and my friends and I talk about
theories from the shows and about the
hypothesized sciences in the shows and the
imaginary societies... But we don't
actually believe that they are real.
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Posted: 01-29-06 01:39am
melissa2006
wrote:
matthew 7:1 judge not, that
ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 for with what judgment ye judge,
ye shall be judged: and with what measure
ye mete, it shall be measured to you
again.
Mat 7:3 and why beholdest thou the mote
that is in thy brother's eye, but
considerest not the beam that is in thine
own eye?
Mat 7:4 or how wilt thou say to thy
brother, let me pull out the mote out of
thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine
own eye?
Mat 7:5 thou hypocrite, first cast out the
beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt
thou see clearly to cast out the mote out
of thy brother's eye.
I havent ever posted here before but what
seems to amaze me is how people just throw
around quotes from the bible and only use
them for their own use. Here are a few
that I think alot of you here need to see.
None of you were put here to judge
anyone. The sad part is I actually let
these kinds of things get to me. I
just think that if you havent ever been in
one of these types of situations that you
shouldnt even have an opnion about the
topic. It hurts me to think that not
only do people who have abortions have to
stand before god one day, its like they
have to spend the rest of their lives
trying to make every thing better with
someone who doesnt even decide whether its
going to be heaven or hell. I use to
be just like all of you and quick to judge
and then guess what. October 6th of
2005 I got the results of my afp test and
I had a 1 in 65 chance of spina bifida.
I went and had a level 2 ultrasound the
same day only to have my whole life
shatter before my eyes. I was 17w4ds
and my sweet little innocent child didnt
have a brain this was the result of a
severe ntd. (anencephaly) so now what
am I suppose to think? Im 20 years old
already have 1 son who just turned a year
old 10-03-2005. I had to leave the
doctors office knowing that either way it
went my child was going to die. I made
the hardest choice that I have ever had to
make that day. I would go into the
hospital and be induced. I had my
child oct. 8, 2005 at 2:14pm. Do I
feel like I made the wrong choice.....Not
even for one second have I ever thought
that I did. When I came on this
website I came here to seek and give
support for people who where or are in
simular situations as me. I didnt come
here to pick a fight or to stur up and
argument. I came here to let you know
that casting judgement on someone is just
as bad as "killing" someone. I do know
one thing though when it is time to be
judged no one sin is greater than
anyother.
we are not debating here about women who
have had abortions because their child had
severe birth defects or because the
pregancy pose a risk of death to the
mother. Those are understandable cases.
The debate here is about the 90% of the
abortions that are done as a means of
birth control, where the mother and the
baby are fully healthy. I'm sorry you
had such a sad experience. I'm sure your
little angel is in heaven.
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Izzy
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Posted: 01-29-06 14:03pm
The catholic church did not begin in the
3rd centuary rome (under constantine) as
many believe but started back in jeruselem
in 33 ad
there are only two churches that can trace
there origins back to the upper room in
jeruselem that fatefull pentecost. That
is orthodox and catholic, the orthodox
church seperated itself from the seat of
peter in the year 1054ad.
I know there are a lot of gospels that
didnt get included in the bible, I dont
know of one by mary magdelain, but there
are gospels, however the bible new
testiment was wrote and compiled together
with the septuigent in the first 100 years
of christianity by the catholic church.
A lot of these gospels were wrote latter,
some by hereticial christians,they are
called "gnostic gospels" gnosticism is not
christianity and was condemned at the time
by the church
there are of course different texts from
the early church, which have always been
availible along with the gnostic writings
and other heretical groups such as the
nestorians, if anyone is interested in
reading them, feel free to visit...
If your interested in christianity and
want to find out more, this site
represents all denominations, from
measianic jews and catholicism, through to
a brand new movement that has only
recently started, topics like the aprocyca
and the gnostic gospels etc are often
discussed... The place they come together
to thrash it out is in the general
theology section, if one of the groups
intrests you, you can go to their own
individual part of the site to find out
more, please dont listen to people on this
site who want to destroy christianity by
the promotion of false information.
Abortion= the killing of an unborn
child=the killing of someone innocent
even if it this words where not written in
the bible they are still correct. You
shall not kill, you shall not steal, you
shall not commit adultery, you shall not
lie. Abortion does not compare to wars.
This is about shedding blood of
innocent
people.
true that!!
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Posted: 02-05-06 15:47pm
debat0r
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
let me tell you in simple
words guest.
Abortion= the killing of an unborn
child=the killing of someone innocent
even if it this words where not written in
the bible they are still correct. You
shall not kill, you shall not steal, you
shall not commit adultery, you shall not
lie. Abortion does not compare to
wars. This is about shedding blood of
innocent
people.
true that!!
and the holocaust was not innocent people?
That was a war... I bet you never
thought that a pro-choicer would ever be
able to use that example against you!! I
still think it's sickening to compare the
deaths of thousands upon thousads of born
people to the deaths of unborn fetuses.
It doesn't even make sense to me. They
are different things; for born people can
think, and fetuses can't.
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Posted: 02-05-06 23:25pm
eiri
wrote:
debat0r
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
let me tell you in simple
words guest.
Abortion= the killing of an unborn
child=the killing of someone innocent
even if it this words where not written in
the bible they are still correct. You
shall not kill, you shall not steal, you
shall not commit adultery, you shall not
lie. Abortion does not compare to
wars. This is about shedding blood of
innocent
people.
true that!!
and the holocaust was not innocent people?
That was a war... I bet you never
thought that a pro-choicer would ever be
able to use that example against you!! I
still think it's sickening to compare the
deaths of thousands upon thousads of born
people to the deaths of unborn fetuses.
It doesn't even make sense to me. They
are different things; for born people can
think, and fetuses
can't.
the holocoust was indeed innocent people
of course. You think I did agree with
the holocaust? Gee eiri how you come up
with that. The holocaust was horrible,
lucifer at it's best.
And what's up that the fetuses can't
think? A born baby is not thinking too.
You can put a gun into newborn baby's head
and the baby will have no clue you are
going to kill him.
