Re: Abortions Wrong Or Right? Posted: 01-25-06 22:46pm
~*~jillian~*~
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tanleetris
wrote:
i live in australia where
abortions are legal. I have had one my
self... Sorry people..... Sex is
part of life, we all do it, humans,
animals ect....
I took precautions to stop unwanted
pregnancy, but fell pregnant any way.
My life was a mess at the time. I had
no money, no man as he ran off, no job.
And had to move back to my parents house.
And to make it worse I had problems and
they didn't know if the fetus would be
harmed in any way or not. Now I had to
look at my life and see if I could have
this baby and be able to give the child a
loving healthy, stable life. With my
own life being a mess how could I
possibily do this for another life. If
you are not prepared or able to give a
child 99.9% of your life, then don't have
one, because they will suffer in the long
run. They don't choose to come into
this world, we bring them into it, and you
have to be able to give them the best to
make there life bearable. If you can't
and an accident happens it is the right
thing to do. It is abuse if you
don't....... Now in saying that I don't
believe in abortion as birth control eg
one after another... You still have to
have responcability when having a sexual
relationship......
Tanleetris.....
did you ever consider adoption...There are
many people on this earth that would love
to have a baby of their own ...Maybe you
didnt have the money to raise a child
..Alot of people dont ...But they dont run
to abortion for help...They take their
consquence and work their ass off to give
that baby the life it deserves...Or close
to it anyways....Maybe you should have
thought about the chance you were taking
(getting pregnant)..When you were having
sex...If your life was so messed up then
why were you even having sex dont you
think you should have been using your time
trying to get your life back on track
..?
I am 18 with a 6 month old ...Like I had
the money to have a baby...Um no I didnt
..But I sure didnt have a abortion...And
my son is the best thing that has ever
happened to me ...If I had to wake up
everyday knowing I took a life..I dont
think my life would be very enjoyable..So
another question to you is... How do you
look at yourself now that you had an
abortion?--and didnt even give your unborn
baby the life it
deserved..????
good post jillian. I wonder the same
things.
Adoption is out there. And there are
plenty of people who want to adopt. So no
excuses when it comes to not "wanting"
your child. But of course there are those
that are so disgustingly selfish that they
can't think of carrying the baby for 9
months only to adopt it out. Those woman
are cowards.
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sunshine424
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Posted: 01-25-06 22:48pm
"in my own honest opinion, abortion is the
best thing given to women since birth
control"
yea, you keep telling yourself that baby
killer.
And pigs fly too.....
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Re: Who Are You People to Pass Judgement?? Posted: 01-25-06 22:49pm
kbmastiffs
wrote:
i love all this
righteousness and hollier than tough
attitudes. Does it not say judge not,
least ye be judged? Or those living in
glass houses shouldn't cast stones??
Why don't you folks get off your high
horses. God will sort all this out when
the time comes.
As for your righteousness, why don't you
step up and offer to foster these
abandoned children? These poor abused
children taken from neglectful woman who
shouldn't have had children in the first
place.
Sure, they shouldn't have had sex, that's
easy to say. But the did, now they have
a child they don't want and don't care to
take care of. Those women who knew
before hand that their child would be
nothing more than a burden on them and
society, took steps, albiet drastic steps,
to assure they wouldn't burden society any
more than they already have.
So.. As apposed to spitting out the
gospel here ladies, why not be a christian
and step up and offer to adopt or foster.
Teach those young children the way you
believe. Do not force your beliefs on
other
adults!!!
although I answered this in you failed
attempt in private message...Let me ask
this:
why don't you just quit having sex? It is
not other woman's responsibility to adopt
your children in order for you not to kill
them. Pull your pants up candy.
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Posted: 01-25-06 22:52pm
skar
wrote:
poopoopoo
wrote:
i'll have you know that the
flying spaghetti monster (i.E. God)
doesn't give two squits about
abortion.
he actualy supports termination
5: 27, god mandates "trial by ordeal" for
women accused by their husbands of
adultery. The priest is instructed to
make a potion, the accused is ordered to
drink it, and if she miscarries, she is
considered guilty. In other words, god
commands the priest to give the woman a
potion which may induce an abortion.
skar....I'm appauled at you.
For the record, your wrong.
I don't appreciate this.
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Posted: 01-25-06 22:57pm
lsipes
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thank you for the kind words
and well wishes. But i'm just being
with me right now. And probably for a
very long time. The only man I need in
my life is a little over 3 feet tall and
doesn't know my real name. He only
knows me by "mommy". :)
i'm celibate. And have been since I
left my husband. And I don't need to
date. I'm focusing on bettering myself
and raising an amazing little boy.
As for the future... Who
knows!
that is good for you. There is many woman
who can't see they are in a abusive
relationship. I am curious did you press
charges on this man?
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Posted: 01-25-06 22:58pm
Quote:
and to the one
that hates baby's--your case also has lots
of holes in it, if you hate them so
bad--you should .N.E.V.E.R get
pregnant--no matter what. So you still
have no grounds for killing a baby.
i don't see these holes. Care to
elaborate? Sorry to disappoint some of
you, but I feel absolutely nothing for
fetuses - I could watch someone lance a
fetus through the head with a skewer and
drive it into a wall and let it hang there
and I wouldn't give a crap.
I will never voluntarily get pregnant, but
if I got pregnant and did not want to be
(and after using protection), I have every
right to abort. I don't want a baby, so I
terminate the pregnancy. I would not want
a child, and I would not want to be
pregnant and become a cow. Children don't
fit into my life script, and as far as i'm
concerned, they're nothing but parasites.
I would do what needs to be done to rid
myself of said parasites in the unlikely
event one was conceived.
Hey, i'm not saying it's wrong to like
kids or to be pro-life - what i've been
saying is solely my opinion.
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Posted: 01-25-06 23:01pm
nightangel73
wrote:
lsipes
wrote:
thank you for the kind words
and well wishes. But i'm just being
with me right now. And probably for a
very long time. The only man I need in
my life is a little over 3 feet tall and
doesn't know my real name. He only
knows me by "mommy". :)
i'm celibate. And have been since I
left my husband. And I don't need to
date. I'm focusing on bettering myself
and raising an amazing little boy.
As for the future... Who
knows!
that is good for you. There is many
woman who can't see they are in a abusive
relationship. I am curious did you press
charges on this
man?
i know many may not agree with this, but
no. I didn't. I didn't want to drag it
out and essentially relive all of it. I
didn't have the strength to. I did,
however gain it after being away from him.
I brought it all out in the courtroom
during our custody hearing. He got
served in a court of law, just not the way
you would've hoped! I'm satisfied having
full physical and legal custody of my son
though. His actions controlled his fate
in the long run. :)
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Cambion
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Posted: 01-25-06 23:28pm
Quote:
if that wouldn't
bother you then your the devil. Your a
cold-hearted twisted piece of trash that
doesn't feel, and has no care in the
world.
As for you becoming pregnant, I suggest
you quit having sex now or else we may see
your sorry self in the news for nailing
your child's head into the wall.
You medical question psycho.
oh I have cares...Just not for bloody
fetuses. I don't hold a position quite as
honorable as the devil himself, but i'm up
in the top ten, probably. I'm a sadist,
and I love being one. Also, i'm not
having sex, nor have I ever. So, unless
immaculate conception occurs, there's no
way i'm going to get pregnant anytime
soon.
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Posted: 01-26-06 00:43am
nightangel73
wrote:
skar
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
skar
wrote:
poopoopoo
wrote:
i'll have you know that the
flying spaghetti monster (i.E. God)
doesn't give two squits about
abortion.
he actualy supports termination
5: 27, god mandates "trial by ordeal" for
women accused by their husbands of
adultery. The priest is instructed to
make a potion, the accused is ordered to
drink it, and if she miscarries, she is
considered guilty. In other words,
god commands the priest to give the woman
a potion which may induce an abortion.
there is nothing in that link. Next time
you want to refer to a true verse from the
bible write it and tell us which book and
verse number it came from. Other than
that this is just crap you are inventing
from the
bible
when I get some spare time, i'll go look
for it in my bible (which is
unfortunately the horrid, unscholarly king
james version).
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sunshine424
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Posted: 01-26-06 10:08am
cambion
wrote:
Quote:
if that wouldn't
bother you then your the devil. Your a
cold-hearted twisted piece of trash that
doesn't feel, and has no care in the
world.
As for you becoming pregnant, I suggest
you quit having sex now or else we may see
your sorry self in the news for nailing
your child's head into the wall.
You medical question psycho.
oh I have cares...Just not for bloody
fetuses. I don't hold a position quite
as honorable as the devil himself, but i'm
up in the top ten, probably. I'm a
sadist, and I love being one. Also, i'm
not having sex, nor have I ever. So,
unless immaculate conception occurs,
there's no way i'm going to get pregnant
anytime soon.
i will be honest, I had to look up sadist.
I've heard of it many times but never
quite knew what it was.
I'm appauled that you find pleasure in
cruelty. So you are truly sick. Do you
worship the devil too?
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Cambion
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Posted: 01-26-06 10:30am
Quote:
i will be honest,
I had to look up sadist. I've heard of it
many times but never quite knew what it
was.
I'm appauled that you find pleasure in
cruelty. So you are truly sick. Do you
worship the devil
too?
nope, i'm not a satanist - I find it
pointless to worship any alleged spirit
unless they have done something wonderful
for me. So, until satan does something
awesome for me, he deserves no special
praise from me.
Just because I have a morbid personality
and sense of humor doesn't mean i'm a
satanist. Also, when I said I was a
sadist, I did not mean it in the
definition of "deriving sexual
satisfaction from inflicting pain or
abuse, physical or emotional, on others" -
but certain kinds of cruelty, I do derive
pleasure from, primarily medieval
torture.
And i'm glad you're appalled - I always
love creeping people out by just being
myself.
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sunshine424
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Posted: 01-26-06 12:40pm
cambion
wrote:
Quote:
i will be honest,
I had to look up sadist. I've heard of
it many times but never quite knew what it
was.
I'm appauled that you find pleasure in
cruelty. So you are truly sick. Do you
worship the devil
too?
nope, i'm not a satanist - I find it
pointless to worship any alleged spirit
unless they have done something wonderful
for me. So, until satan does something
awesome for me, he deserves no special
praise from me.
Just because I have a morbid personality
and sense of humor doesn't mean i'm a
satanist. Also, when I said I was a
sadist, I did not mean it in the
definition of "deriving sexual
satisfaction from inflicting pain or
abuse, physical or emotional, on others" -
but certain kinds of cruelty, I do derive
pleasure from, primarily medieval
torture.
And i'm glad you're appalled - I always
love creeping people out by just being
myself.
i gathered that you did not derive sexual
pleasure from pain or abuse when you said
that you don't have sex.
I guess I have never spoke (wrote) with an
actual person that found pleasure in
torture. That is so weird. Have you
always been like this, like from the time
you were a child? And do you inflict pain
on others against their will, or do you
have a group of friends that enjoy this
same thing? Would you ever kill a human
being (other than abortion)? Wow, you are
twisted. I know that is probably a
compliment for you.
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Posted: 01-26-06 12:58pm
cambion
wrote:
nope, i'm not a satanist - I find it
pointless to worship any alleged spirit
unless they have done something wonderful
for me. So, until satan does something
awesome for me, he deserves no special
praise from me.
And i'm glad you're appalled - I always
love creeping people out by just being
myself.
i tell you if ever loose your health I can
guarantee you that you would be on your
kneels now praising .God for how god he is
being with you giving you health. Boy you
do are a very ignornant.
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Cambion
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Posted: 01-26-06 13:58pm
Quote:
i guess I have
never spoke (wrote) with an actual person
that found pleasure in torture. That is
so weird. Have you always been like this,
like from the time you were a child? And
do you inflict pain on others against
their will, or do you have a group of
friends that enjoy this same thing? Would
you ever kill a human being (other than
abortion)? Wow, you are twisted. I know
that is probably a compliment for
you.
i was never like this when I was younger -
I didn't torture animals or people.
Medieval torture was something I grew to
be fascinated by about 2 years ago. I
began learning a lot about it and I did a
20-page research paper on it for my
english class last quarter. I don't
inflict pain upon others against their
will, and I don't know anyone who is as
much into torture as I am. I would never
kill someone without a reason. Only
person i've ever wanted to kill was the
vice-principal of my high school - I
always wish and hope that he dies a slow,
painful, miserable death if I never get
the chance to kill him without getting
caught. I'd probably do his family a
great service by removing him and his
idiocy from their lives.
I know i'm twisted...I'm a sadist, a
pyromaniac, and a pervert (only in my
mind). I don't think i'd want it any
other way, though.
Quote:
i tell you if
ever loose your health I can guarantee you
that you would be on your kneels now
praising .God for how god he is being with
you giving you health. Boy you do are a
very
ignornant.
i had to read that a few times to
understand what you were saying. I
wouldn't care if I had the plague, I
wouldn't pray to god. I lost faith in god
a long time ago. Don't get me wrong - I
pray, just not to "gods". I pray to the
spirits. These spirits can be any spirits
- animals, people, good and evil. I pray
not for myself, but for others.
If I fell ill, I would probably deny I was
sick until it impeded my normal routine,
and then i'd get diagnosed. If it was
something I could die from, I would do my
best to live my life normally and hope for
something good. I would not drop to my
knees and beg god to help me. Even if a
"miracle" occurred and I was cured, I
wouldn't know who granted me such a
chance. I doubt it would be god because I
diss him so much - it could be other
spirits, or it could have been just luck.
I'm very reluctant to say some good things
are miracles - unless what happens seems
impossible, I call "miracles" luck or
coincidence.
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Posted: 01-26-06 18:03pm
cambion
wrote:
Quote:
i guess I have
never spoke (wrote) with an actual person
that found pleasure in torture. That is
so weird. Have you always been like
this, like from the time you were a child?
And do you inflict pain on others
against their will, or do you have a group
of friends that enjoy this same thing?
Would you ever kill a human being (other
than abortion)? Wow, you are twisted.
I know that is probably a compliment for
you.
i was never like this when I was younger -
I didn't torture animals or people.
Medieval torture was something I grew to
be fascinated by about 2 years ago. I
began learning a lot about it and I did a
20-page research paper on it for my
english class last quarter. I don't
inflict pain upon others against their
will, and I don't know anyone who is as
much into torture as I am. I would never
kill someone without a reason. Only
person i've ever wanted to kill was the
vice-principal of my high school - I
always wish and hope that he dies a slow,
painful, miserable death if I never get
the chance to kill him without getting
caught. I'd probably do his family a
great service by removing him and his
idiocy from their lives.
I know i'm twisted...I'm a sadist, a
pyromaniac, and a pervert (only in my
mind). I don't think i'd want it any
other way, though.
Quote:
i tell you if
ever loose your health I can guarantee you
that you would be on your kneels now
praising .God for how god he is being with
you giving you health. Boy you do are a
very
ignornant.
i had to read that a few times to
understand what you were saying. I
wouldn't care if I had the plague, I
wouldn't pray to god. I lost faith in
god a long time ago. Don't get me wrong
- I pray, just not to "gods". I pray to
the spirits. These spirits can be any
spirits - animals, people, good and evil.
I pray not for myself, but for others.
If I fell ill, I would probably deny I was
sick until it impeded my normal routine,
and then i'd get diagnosed. If it was
something I could die from, I would do my
best to live my life normally and hope for
something good. I would not drop to my
knees and beg god to help me. Even if a
"miracle" occurred and I was cured, I
wouldn't know who granted me such a
chance. I doubt it would be god because
I diss him so much - it could be other
spirits, or it could have been just luck.
I'm very reluctant to say some good
things are miracles - unless what happens
seems impossible, I call "miracles" luck
or
coincidence.
the thing is cabion, you're not all that
unique; i'm interested in medevial torture
as well, though probably not to your level
:) i'd suggest the museums of torture in
germany, they're excellent. Everyone is
peverted; they just don't want to admit
it. I too am reluctant to admit to
miracles; i'm far to scientifically
minded.
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Posted: 01-26-06 19:52pm
bahahahahahaha123
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
i tell you if ever loose
your health I can guarantee you that you
would be on your kneels now praising .God
for how god he is being with you giving
you health. Boy you do are a very
ignornant.
nope... Sorry, loser. If I get sick,
I will go to the .D.O.C.T.O.R for
treatment. Scare tactics only work on
the weak,
weakling.
you always have the bad habit of replying
to posts that were not addressed to you.
But since you act like a kid I can
understand your behavior. I did not meant
to give any scares tactics neither. I
have been without health for months and
yes I did went to the doctors and they
couldn't help me. Fortunatetly I
recovered and I praise .God for the health
he has given me back. I don't pretend you
understand cause I know you can only
understand the value of health until you
don't have it. You will remember this
words during your lifetime :)
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Posted: 01-26-06 20:12pm
skar
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
skar
wrote:
poopoopoo
wrote:
i'll have you know that the
flying spaghetti monster (i.E. God)
doesn't give two squits about
abortion.
he actualy supports termination
5: 27, god mandates "trial by ordeal" for
women accused by their husbands of
adultery. The priest is instructed to
make a potion, the accused is ordered to
drink it, and if she miscarries, she is
considered guilty. In other words, god
commands the priest to give the woman a
potion which may induce an abortion.
For the record, your wrong.
I don't appreciate
this.
it is clearly stated jamie apauled or not
I won,t hide from the truth nor behind
religion pro life or pro choice it shoul;d
be about
truth.
and btw this verse of num5:27 and let's
quote it
num 5:27 and it will be that if the woman
has become unclean, sinning against her
husband, when she has taken the bitter
water it will go into her body, causing
disease of the stomach and wasting of the
legs, and she will be a curse among her
people.
This has nothing to do with abortion.
Your opinion is not the opinion of
orthodox jews or of christianity since the
earliest times, since both groups by and
large believed abortion to be wrong.
Since this is the case, and both believe
in the inerrancy of the book of numbers,
it is impossible for this book to be
evidence of abortion's being permitted.
Here is what the scriptures do say about
abortion:
the didache
"the second commandment of the teaching:
you shall not homicide. You shall not
commit adultery. You shall not seduce
boys. You shall not commit fornication.
You shall not steal. You shall not
practice magic. You shall not use
potions. You shall not procure [an]
abortion, nor destroy a newborn child"
(didache 2:1–2 [a.D. 70]).
The letter of barnabas
"the way of light, then, is as follows.
If anyone desires to travel to the
appointed place, he must be zealous in his
works. The knowledge, therefore, which is
given to us for the purpose of walking in
this way, is the following. . . . Thou
shalt not slay the child by procuring
abortion; nor, again, shalt thou destroy
it after it is born" (letter of barnabas
19 [a.D. 74]).
The apocalypse of peter
"and near that place I saw another strait
place . . . And there sat women. . .
. And over against them many children who
were born to them out of due time sat
crying. And there came forth from them
rays of fire and smote the women in the
eyes. And these were the accursed who
conceived and caused abortion" (the
apocalypse of peter 25 [a.D. 137]).
Athenagoras
"what man of sound mind, therefore, will
affirm, while such is our character, that
we are murderers?
. . . [w]hen we say that those women
who use drugs to bring on abortion commit
homicide, and will have to give an account
to god for the abortion, on what principle
should we commit homicide? For it does
not belong to the same person to regard
the very fetus in the womb as a created
being, and therefore an object of god’s
care, and when it has passed into life, to
kill it; and not to expose an infant,
because those who expose them are
chargeable with child-homicide, and on the
other hand, when it has been reared to
destroy it" (a plea for the christians 35
[a.D. 177]).
Tertullian
"in our case, a homicide being once for
all forbidden, we may not destroy even the
fetus in the womb, while as yet the human
being derives blood from the other parts
of the body for its sustenance. To hinder
a birth is merely a speedier man-killing;
nor does it matter whether you take away a
life that is born, or destroy one that is
coming to birth. That is a man which is
going to be one; you have the fruit
already in its seed" (apology 9:8 [a.D.
197]).
"among surgeons’ tools there is a
certain instrument, which is formed with a
nicely-adjusted flexible frame for opening
the uterus first of all and keeping it
open; it is further furnished with an
annular blade, by means of which the limbs
[of the child] within the womb are
dissected with anxious but unfaltering
care; its last appendage being a blunted
or covered hook, wherewith the entire
fetus is extracted by a violent
delivery.
"there is also [another instrument in the
shape of] a copper needle or spike, by
which the actual death is managed in this
furtive robbery of life: they give it,
from its infanticide function, the name of
embruosphaktes, [meaning] "the slayer of
the infant," which of course was alive. .
. .
"[the doctors who performed abortions] all
knew well enough that a living being had
been conceived, and [they] pitied this
most luckless infant state, which had
first to be put to death, to escape being
tortured alive" (the soul 25 [a.D.
210]).
"now we allow that life begins with
conception because we contend that the
soul also begins from conception; life
taking its commencement at the same moment
and place that the soul does" (ibid.,
27).
"the law of moses, indeed, punishes with
due penalties the man who shall cause
abortion [ex. 21:22–24]" (ibid., 37).
Minucius felix
"there are some [pagan] women who, by
drinking medical preparations, extinguish
the source of the future man in their very
bowels and thus commit a parricide before
they bring forth. And these things
assuredly come down from the teaching of
your [false] gods. . . . To us
[christians] it is not lawful either to
see or hear of homicide" (octavius 30
[a.D. 226]).
Hippolytus
"women who were reputed to be believers
began to take drugs to render themselves
sterile, and to bind themselves tightly so
as to expel what was being conceived,
since they would not, on account of
relatives and excess wealth, want to have
a child by a slave or by any insignificant
person. See, then, into what great
impiety that lawless one has proceeded, by
teaching adultery and homicide at the same
time!" (refutation of all heresies [a.D.
228]).
Council of ancyra
"concerning women who commit fornication,
and destroy that which they have
conceived, or who are employed in making
drugs for abortion, a former decree
excluded them until the hour of death, and
to this some have assented. Nevertheless,
being desirous to use somewhat greater
lenity, we have ordained that they fulfill
ten years [of penance], according to the
prescribed degrees" (canon 21 [a.D.
314]).
Basil the great
"let her that procures abortion undergo
ten years’ penance, whether the embryo
were perfectly formed, or not" (first
canonical letter, canon 2 [a.D. 374]).
"he that kills another with a sword, or
hurls an axe at his own wife and kills
her, is guilty of willful homicide; not he
who throws a stone at a dog, and
unintentionally kills a man, or who
corrects one with a rod, or scourge, in
order to reform him, or who kills a man in
his own defense, when he only designed to
hurt him. But the man, or woman, is a
murderer that gives a philtrum, if the man
that takes it dies upon it; so are they
who take medicines to procure abortion;
and so are they who kill on the highway,
and rapparees" (ibid., canon 8).
John chrysostom
"wherefore I beseech you, flee
fornication. . . . Why sow where the
ground makes it its care to destroy the
fruit?—where there are many efforts at
abortion?—where there is homicide before
the birth? For even the harlot you do not
let continue a mere harlot, but make her a
murderess also. You see how drunkenness
leads to prostitution, prostitution to
adultery, adultery to homicide; or rather
to a something even worse than homicide.
For I have no name to give it, since it
does not take off the thing born, but
prevents its being born. Why then do thou
abuse the gift of god, and fight with his
laws, and follow after what is a curse as
if a blessing, and make the chamber of
procreation a chamber for homicide, and
arm the woman that was given for
childbearing unto slaughter? For with a
view to drawing more money by being
agreeable and an object of longing to her
lovers, even this she is not backward to
do, so heaping upon thy head a great pile
of fire. For even if the daring deed be
hers, yet the causing of it is thine"
(homilies on romans 24 [a.D. 391]).
Jerome
"i cannot bring myself to speak of the
many virgins who daily fall and are lost
to the bosom of the church, their mother.
. . . Some go so far as to take
potions, that they may insure barrenness,
and thus homicide human beings almost
before their conception. Some, when they
find themselves with child through their
sin, use drugs to procure abortion, and
when, as often happens, they die with
their offspring, they enter the lower
world laden with the guilt not only of
adultery against christ but also of
suicide and child homicide" (letters 22:13
[a.D. 396]).
The apostolic constitutions
"thou shalt not use magic. Thou shalt not
use witchcraft; for he says, ‘you shall
not suffer a witch to live’ [ex.
22:18]. Thou shall not slay thy child by
causing abortion, nor kill that which is
begotten. . . . [i]f it be slain, [it]
shall be avenged, as being unjustly
destroyed" (apostolic constitutions 7:3
[a.D. 400]).
:)
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-26-06 21:10pm
nightangel73
wrote:
skar
wrote:
it is clearly stated jamie apauled or not
I won,t hide from the truth nor behind
religion pro life or pro choice it shoul;d
be about
truth.
and btw this verse of num5:27 and let's
quote it
num 5:27 and it will be that if the woman
has become unclean, sinning against her
husband, when she has taken the bitter
water it will go into her body, causing
disease of the stomach and wasting of the
legs, and she will be a curse among her
people.
i bet the "wasting of the legs" is from
the king james translation, which no real
scholar takes seriously. It's so badly
translated and misinterpreted to serve the
catholic religion's needs.
In the end, it doesn't mean anyting to me
anyway since i'm not christian. So the
fact that you feel god is saying that
abortion is bad means nothing to me as
part of your argument.
And for god's sake, it's "appalled".
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nightangel73
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Posted: 01-26-06 22:24pm
bahahahahahaha123
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
this has nothing to do with
abortion. Your opinion is not the
opinion of orthodox jews or of
christianity since the earliest times,
since both groups by and large believed
abortion to be
wrong.
wrong, again. Not only are jews fine
with abortion, but in certain cases, it is
required by jewish faith. A woman is
valued more than a fetus under jewish
faith. Jewish faith doesn't recognize a
person until birth. Try not discussing
faiths you are ignorant about,
mkay?
