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"you Shall Not Kill" Exodus 20:13
Posted: 01-22-06 00:49am

This one is for breaking the ice here.


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Posted: 01-22-06 00:50am

Amen--sister
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Posted: 01-22-06 11:19am

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please explain the sixth commandment
which states thou shall not kill.

Q. I am studying the 10 commandments. Please explain the sixth commandment "thou shall not kill."

a. The commandment "thou shall not kill" (exodus 20:13; deuteronomy 5:17), is better understood to mean "you shall not homicide," most modern translations of the bible rendered it this way. According to the bible not all killing, the taking of a life, is homicide. homicide is the unlawfully taking of human life. The command not to homicide applies to human beings, not to killing animals or plant life for food. God gave animals to mankind for his use (genesis 1:26-30; 9:1-4). But, this does not mean that humans have the right mistreat animals and the environment (genesis 2:15; deuteronomy 22:6-7; 25:4; proverbs 12:10). Under the old covenant god allowed the israelites to kill other humans under very special circumstances such as punishment for certain sins, for example, homicide (exodus 21:12-14, leviticus 24:17, 21) and adultery (leviticus 20:10, deuteronomy 22:22-24). God also allowed the israelites to engage in warfare and even gave them instructions about waging war (deuteronomy 20:1-20). God also recognized that humans might accidentally kill each other, and he made provisions for this (numbers 35:9-34; deuteronomy 19:1-13).

The primary reason god hates homicide is that out of all creation, only human are made in the image of god (genesis 1:26-27; 9:4-6). Even before the codification of the ten commandments at mount sinai the homicide of other human beings was wrong (genesis 4:8-12; 4:23-24; 9:4-6; exodus 1:16-17). While on earth, jesus spoke out against homicide (matthew 5:21-26; mark 10:17-19). We also see in the writings of paul (romans 1:18, 29-32; 13:8-10; galatians 5:19-21), james (james 2:8-11; 4:1-3), peter (1 peter 4:15-16) and john (revelation 9:20-21; 21:7-8; 22:14-15) that homicide is wrong.

In matthew 5:21-26 jesus amplifies the meaning of the sixth commandment. He brings out that to commit homicide means more then just killing someone, it means having an angry and unforgiving attitude towards them. The apostle john elaborates on this by writing that to hate someone is the same as murdering them (1 john 3:15). homicide like all sin, beginnings in the human mind (matthew 15:18-19; mark 7:20-23) it starts as a thought, in this case hatred, which leads to the action of homicide (james 1:13-15; 4:1-3). The opposite of hating someone is loving them, we should even love our enemies (matthew 5:43-48), seeking not revenge, but looking for ways to help them (romans 12:17-21).

As we have seen, under the old covenant god allowed humans to kill other humans under certain circumstances. But what about today, and those who are now under the new covenant, should we participate in the execution of a homicide or an adulterer? Should christians involve themselves in warfare? I would argue that christians should not participate in such activities because the new covenant is a covenant of life, not of death (2 corinthians 3:4-11). Under the new covenant christians do not execute people for sinning. The most drastic steps anyone can take against an unrepentant christian are withholding brotherly fellowship from him until he repents (1 corinthians 5:9-13; 2 thessalonians 3:14-15); and delivering or handing him over to satan for spiritual correction (1 corinthians 5:1-5; 1 timothy 1:18-20). It is unclear from the scriptures exactly what it means to turn someone over to satan.

Under the new covenant a change occurred. Just as christians are to no longer execute sinners, so they should not wage carnal war, but spiritual warfare (john 18:36; 2 corinthians 10:1-6; ephesians 6:10-18; 1 timothy 1:18-20; 6:11-14; 2 timothy 2:3-5; 4:6-8). Christians must be peacemakers (matthew 5:9, romans 14:19), forgiving those who do them harm (ephesians 4:29-32; colossians 3:12-14; matthew 6:9-15; mark 11:25-26), treating their enemies with love (luke 6:27-36) and not seeking revenge (romans 12:17-21; 1 peter 3:8-12). Hatred which is the same as homicide (1 john 3:15), is unforgiving, vengeful and hostile towards one's enemies.
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Posted: 01-22-06 12:54pm

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he brings out that to commit homicide means more then just killing someone, it means having an angry and unforgiving attitude towards them.


and I know this is true also. What was wrong about "thou shalt not kill?"
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Posted: 01-22-06 14:36pm

Let me tell you in simple words guest.


Abortion= the killing of an unborn child=the killing of someone innocent

even if it this words where not written in the bible they are still correct. You shall not kill, you shall not steal, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not lie. Abortion does not compare to wars. This is about shedding blood of innocent people.
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Posted: 01-22-06 15:04pm

anonymous wrote:
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he brings out that to commit homicide means more then just killing someone, it means having an angry and unforgiving attitude towards them.


and I know this is true also. What was wrong about "thou shalt not kill?"


i dont know why it is calling me guest--but I cannot post unless I am signed in.

I do believe in war--to a certain degree. Sometimes we have to fight to protect that which is ours. Unless we get enough faith to walk around jericho, and watch the walls fall--we will need protection. Right?? But an innocent life, baby, mother, grandmother, all is a great and mighty sin. And only the .Grace of .God is big enough to pardon such a sin.

And I do agree if someone hates and has anger with another, especially for no reason, this causes a homicide spirit to arise and to attack the innocent one. That is why .God tells us to be careful who we have as friends, and who we eat with, for the mur/derers could be sitting at our own table. I have learned there are pple who hate you as much as they love you--and we should steer clear of them for their hate at us--is killing us.
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Posted: 01-22-06 16:41pm

What about the necessary abortions, susan smith, the al queda's, iraq(their were a lot of innocent killed their) 9-11(a lot of innocent killed their) their have been a lot of innocent parents killed by their kids and visa versa, kids killed by their class mates, columbine, robings and killings, kids killing kids, so it is not all about abortions, and these things will only get worse. I will not give my guns up just to have them put back on the streets, no way, if vin ladin(sp) passed my way I would kill his ass dead!

And I do not hate! And I have been in a war and I believe in choice for an abortion I would rather see an abortion tha a baby or child beat, abused or neglected. But their is an abortion debate forum here.

Does this also mean that it is wrong to put an animal down or to stop the life of a person(dr. Assisted death) when he or she has no life anymore and lives on machines, or is in terrible pain that cannot be controlled. Go to oregon, it is legal!
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Posted: 01-22-06 20:08pm

nightangel73 wrote:
abortion= the killing of an unborn child=the killing of someone innocent


at least you are finally admitting you see the woman as guilty and deserving of punishment for sex.
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Posted: 01-22-06 21:51pm

sandyallen wrote:
what about the necessary abortions, susan smith, the al queda's, iraq(their were a lot of innocent killed their) 9-11(a lot of innocent killed their) their have been a lot of innocent parents killed by their kids and visa versa, kids killed by their class mates, columbine, robings and killings, kids killing kids, so it is not all about abortions, and these things will only get worse. I will not give my guns up just to have them put back on the streets, no way, if vin ladin(sp) passed my way I would kill his ass dead!


And I do not hate! And I have been in a war and I believe in choice for an abortion I would rather see an abortion tha a baby or child beat, abused or neglected. But their is an abortion debate forum here.


Does this also mean that it is wrong to put an animal down or to stop the life of a person(dr. Assisted death) when he or she has no life anymore and lives on machines, or is in terrible pain that cannot be controlled. Go to oregon, it is legal!


sandy, sandy sandy.
Have I already not said what i'm about to say:
these woman that abuse their children should have take the steps to not become pregnant, even if that included .N.O sex. Instead, your looking it as the abortion would have prevented the child abuse. 2 wrongs do not make a right. Your preaching ignorance and it's getting very old.

Dear, it's .Bin laden, not .Vin. (lol). And I would kill him too. Just a tad bit difference than killing an innocent child.

I do not feel it is wrong to put a suffering animal down. And personally, if we want to get into it although off the subject of abortion, I do not think Dr. Assisted suicide is .M.O.R.A.L.L.Y wrong either, if and .O.N.L.Y if the person and family (because the loved ones are affected too) agree on it together. Suicide is wrong but at least morally, the person is ok'ing it, unlike in an abortion.

And that is my opinion.
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Posted: 01-22-06 23:57pm

anonymous wrote:
nightangel73 wrote:
abortion= the killing of an unborn child=the killing of someone innocent


at least you are finally admitting you see the woman as guilty and deserving of punishment for sex.


??????????
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Posted: 01-23-06 07:55am

nightangel73 wrote:
anonymous wrote:
nightangel73 wrote:
abortion= the killing of an unborn child=the killing of someone innocent


at least you are finally admitting you see the woman as guilty and deserving of punishment for sex.


??????????


i think I can explain this.
Pro-choice likes to say that we pro-life feel that because a woman has sex and gets pregnant, that her punishment should be to have a child.
Now the truth of the matter is....We don't see children as a punishment. All we simply say is you play (sex), you pay. In other words, you play, then you should take the responsiblity of your actions.
You know pro-choice, just another off the wall argument they try to conjure up. ;o)
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Posted: 01-23-06 09:14am

I live in australia where abortions are legal. I have had one my self... Sorry people..... Sex is part of life, we all do it, humans, animals ect....
I took precautions to stop unwanted pregnancy, but fell pregnant any way. My life was a mess at the time. I had no money, no man as he ran off, no job. And had to move back to my parents house. And to make it worse I had problems and they didn't know if the fetus would be harmed in any way or not. Now I had to look at my life and see if I could have this baby and be able to give the child a loving healthy, stable life. With my own life being a mess how could I possibily do this for another life. If you are not prepared or able to give a child 99.9% of your life, then don't have one, because they will suffer in the long run. They don't choose to come into this world, we bring them into it, and you have to be able to give them the best to make there life bearable. If you can't and an accident happens it is the right thing to do. It is abuse if you don't....... Now in saying that I don't believe in abortion as birth control eg one after another... You still have to have responcability when having a sexual relationship...... Tanleetris.....
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Re: Abortions Wrong Or Right?
Posted: 01-23-06 14:36pm

tanleetris wrote:
i live in australia where abortions are legal. I have had one my self... Sorry people..... Sex is part of life, we all do it, humans, animals ect....

I took precautions to stop unwanted pregnancy, but fell pregnant any way. My life was a mess at the time. I had no money, no man as he ran off, no job. And had to move back to my parents house. And to make it worse I had problems and they didn't know if the fetus would be harmed in any way or not. Now I had to look at my life and see if I could have this baby and be able to give the child a loving healthy, stable life. With my own life being a mess how could I possibily do this for another life. If you are not prepared or able to give a child 99.9% of your life, then don't have one, because they will suffer in the long run. They don't choose to come into this world, we bring them into it, and you have to be able to give them the best to make there life bearable. If you can't and an accident happens it is the right thing to do. It is abuse if you don't....... Now in saying that I don't believe in abortion as birth control eg one after another... You still have to have responcability when having a sexual relationship...... Tanleetris.....


and responsibility would have been you having the baby. Everyone knows birth control can fail. All forms. Therefore, knowing that, and still saying you would abort if you used protection (like you) and it failed, your not being responsible, and you should not have been having sex.
Having a child when your not fully prepared is not abuse. Last I knew, killing someone is the most severe form of abuse. Hello?
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Posted: 01-23-06 18:03pm

Well, maybe these girls got pregnant cuz .God wanted to give them "a little miracle"

i just dont see how anyone could kill a baby??? It is just horrible to care more for yourself than for a baby! In this degree the church calls it a "spirit of self" that women have --who kill their baby's.
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Posted: 01-23-06 18:17pm

"i took precautions to stop unwanted pregnancy, but fell pregnant any way."

so you refused to take any responsiblity for your situation, the blood of the child is on the hands of the contaception companies, they are responsible for unwanted children and abortion, not the two adults concenting to sex?
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Posted: 01-23-06 20:23pm

Wake up guy's nothing is black and white in this life time, it is abuse if you bring a child into a crummy life, you have that choice. I wasn't thinking of my self, I was only thinking of my child, and weather or not I was able to give it all it needed, and I took the most unselfish way and didn't bring it into this horrible life. What about pregnancy due to rape, having the child is abuse because you will hate or resent the child, therefore the child will suffer, is that fair on the child no! The child didn't do anything wrong, the father did. Can you blame the resentment from the mother no! Because everytime she looked at the child she would remember the traumatic rape. That is what I hate about religion you people think every thing so so straight forward, but its not , life isn't as simple as the words in your bible. The world has changed since it was written, as nothing is black and white or as straight forward as you people think. I have met many religious people and I would say not one person would completely follow the bible to the word......So the are the hipicric...... I now have a six year old son, and I did raise him on my own, I also worked, bought a big 4 bedroom house, have a new car, and he has everything to be a healthy person. But I was in a better position to give him all that. I was an adult when I had him. I do not regret having the abortion in the past, and I am so glad that I live in a country that has freedom of choice.... Children that are forced into a crummy life, turn out to be murders ect...........Buy the way how many of you are parents? Wait until you have experienced it all before you have a black and white opinion please........... Tanleetris
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Re: Abortions Wrong Or Right?
Posted: 01-23-06 21:13pm

tanleetris wrote:
i live in australia where abortions are legal. I have had one my self... Sorry people..... Sex is part of life, we all do it, humans, animals ect....

I took precautions to stop unwanted pregnancy, but fell pregnant any way. My life was a mess at the time. I had no money, no man as he ran off, no job. And had to move back to my parents house. And to make it worse I had problems and they didn't know if the fetus would be harmed in any way or not. Now I had to look at my life and see if I could have this baby and be able to give the child a loving healthy, stable life. With my own life being a mess how could I possibily do this for another life. If you are not prepared or able to give a child 99.9% of your life, then don't have one, because they will suffer in the long run. They don't choose to come into this world, we bring them into it, and you have to be able to give them the best to make there life bearable. If you can't and an accident happens it is the right thing to do. It is abuse if you don't....... Now in saying that I don't believe in abortion as birth control eg one after another... You still have to have responcability when having a sexual relationship...... Tanleetris.....


did you ever consider adoption...There are many people on this earth that would love to have a baby of their own ...Maybe you didnt have the money to raise a child ..Alot of people dont ...But they dont run to abortion for help...They take their consquence and work their ass off to give that baby the life it deserves...Or close to it anyways....Maybe you should have thought about the chance you were taking (getting pregnant)..When you were having sex...If your life was so messed up then why were you even having sex dont you think you should have been using your time trying to get your life back on track ..?

I am 18 with a 6 month old ...Like I had the money to have a baby...Um no I didnt ..But I sure didnt have a abortion...And my son is the best thing that has ever happened to me ...If I had to wake up everyday knowing I took a life..I dont think my life would be very enjoyable..So another question to you is... How do you look at yourself now that you had an abortion?--and didnt even give your unborn baby the life it deserved..????
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Posted: 01-23-06 21:36pm

I must concur with tanleetris on this - she made some very valid points. Yeah, it's true that contraception isn't 100 percent effective in preventing pregnancy, but it shows that people are trying to prevent conception from occurring when they use it. So, if they don't want a child and their contraception fails, they should automatically have to keep that child?

That is completely unfair to both the child and the parent. What point is there in bringing a child into the world where it was not wanted? Kids mess up the lives of people who don't want them who feel like they need to keep the kids because pro-lifers will force crap down their throats about how they are killing innocent kids. I think it's more humane to end the life of an undeveloped, unborn child than to give birth to it and raise it while pretending to love it. Parents who need to pretend to love their kids will inevitably grow to resent and dislike their kids. It's these said parents who may someday begin to neglect and abuse their kids.

As far as i'm concerned, aborting an unwanted pregnancy is the responsible thing to do - not keeping a child you never wanted. Adoption is an option, but foster homes are bursting at the seams with kids people don't want because they were probably told how evil they would be for aborting. Yes, give birth to another kid no one will want so they can grow up without real love for a few years.

In my own honest opinion, abortion is the best thing given to women since birth control.
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Posted: 01-23-06 23:09pm

tanleetris wrote:
wake up guy's nothing is black and white in this life time, it is abuse if you bring a child into a crummy life, you have that choice. I wasn't thinking of my self, I was only thinking of my child, and weather or not I was able to give it all it needed, and I took the most unselfish way and didn't bring it into this horrible life. What about pregnancy due to rape, having the child is abuse because you will hate or resent the child, therefore the child will suffer, is that fair on the child no! The child didn't do anything wrong, the father did. Can you blame the resentment from the mother no! Because everytime she looked at the child she would remember the traumatic rape. That is what I hate about religion you people think every thing so so straight forward, but its not , life isn't as simple as the words in your bible. The world has changed since it was written, as nothing is black and white or as straight forward as you people think. I have met many religious people and I would say not one person would completely follow the bible to the word......So the are the hipicric...... I now have a six year old son, and I did raise him on my own, I also worked, bought a big 4 bedroom house, have a new car, and he has everything to be a healthy person. But I was in a better position to give him all that. I was an adult when I had him. I do not regret having the abortion in the past, and I am so glad that I live in a country that has freedom of choice.... Children that are forced into a crummy life, turn out to be not a nice acts ect...........Buy the way how many of you are parents? Wait until you have experienced it all before you have a black and white opinion please........... Tanleetris


i was not talking to you--i was talking to pple in general?? If pple who think they dont want their baby---would only realize the baby is a "gift from .God" a lot of abortions, would be avoided. I understand a lot of pple have felt they had no choice, but there is an 'evil spirit' going around too, when a person has a 5 or 6 and still not taking responsibility for their actions. If I would have talked to you before you had your abortions I would have said "please do not kill your baby" what else can I say?? I dont hate you for what you have done--i do understand --many times the girls think it is their only choice.



As far as experience, I myself have been pregnant 10 different times in my life. (i miscarried 6 baby's) I am expecting right now, I have 3 grown children, and I have 2 grandbaby's. .God bless hon
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Posted: 01-24-06 11:46am

I love all this righteousness and hollier than tough attitudes. Does it not say judge not, least ye be judged? Or those living in glass houses shouldn't cast stones??

Why don't you folks get off your high horses. God will sort all this out when the time comes.

As for your righteousness, why don't you step up and offer to foster these abandoned children? These poor abused children taken from neglectful woman who shouldn't have had children in the first place.

Sure, they shouldn't have had sex, that's easy to say. But the did, now they have a child they don't want and don't care to take care of. Those women who knew before hand that their child would be nothing more than a burden on them and society, took steps, albiet drastic steps, to assure they wouldn't burden society any more than they already have.

So.. As apposed to spitting out the gospel here ladies, why not be a christian and step up and offer to adopt or foster. Teach those young children the way you believe. Do not force your beliefs on other adults!!!
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