please explain the sixth commandment
which states thou shall not kill.
Q. I am studying the 10 commandments.
Please explain the sixth commandment "thou
shall not kill."
a. The commandment "thou shall not kill"
(exodus 20:13; deuteronomy 5:17), is
better understood to mean "you shall not
homicide," most modern translations of the
bible rendered it this way. According to
the bible not all killing, the taking of a
life, is homicide. homicide is the
unlawfully taking of human life. The
command not to homicide applies to human
beings, not to killing animals or plant
life for food. God gave animals to
mankind for his use (genesis 1:26-30;
9:1-4). But, this does not mean that
humans have the right mistreat animals and
the environment (genesis 2:15; deuteronomy
22:6-7; 25:4; proverbs 12:10). Under the
old covenant god allowed the israelites to
kill other humans under very special
circumstances such as punishment for
certain sins, for example, homicide
(exodus 21:12-14, leviticus 24:17, 21) and
adultery (leviticus 20:10, deuteronomy
22:22-24). God also allowed the
israelites to engage in warfare and even
gave them instructions about waging war
(deuteronomy 20:1-20). God also
recognized that humans might accidentally
kill each other, and he made provisions
for this (numbers 35:9-34; deuteronomy
19:1-13).
The primary reason god hates homicide is
that out of all creation, only human are
made in the image of god (genesis 1:26-27;
9:4-6). Even before the codification of
the ten commandments at mount sinai the
homicide of other human beings was wrong
(genesis 4:8-12; 4:23-24; 9:4-6; exodus
1:16-17). While on earth, jesus spoke out
against homicide (matthew 5:21-26; mark
10:17-19). We also see in the writings of
paul (romans 1:18, 29-32; 13:8-10;
galatians 5:19-21), james (james 2:8-11;
4:1-3), peter (1 peter 4:15-16) and john
(revelation 9:20-21; 21:7-8; 22:14-15)
that homicide is wrong.
In matthew 5:21-26 jesus amplifies the
meaning of the sixth commandment. He
brings out that to commit homicide means
more then just killing someone, it means
having an angry and unforgiving attitude
towards them. The apostle john elaborates
on this by writing that to hate someone is
the same as murdering them (1 john 3:15).
homicide like all sin, beginnings in the
human mind (matthew 15:18-19; mark
7:20-23) it starts as a thought, in this
case hatred, which leads to the action of
homicide (james 1:13-15; 4:1-3). The
opposite of hating someone is loving them,
we should even love our enemies (matthew
5:43-48), seeking not revenge, but looking
for ways to help them (romans 12:17-21).
As we have seen, under the old covenant
god allowed humans to kill other humans
under certain circumstances. But what
about today, and those who are now under
the new covenant, should we participate in
the execution of a homicide or an
adulterer? Should christians involve
themselves in warfare? I would argue that
christians should not participate in such
activities because the new covenant is a
covenant of life, not of death (2
corinthians 3:4-11). Under the new
covenant christians do not execute people
for sinning. The most drastic steps
anyone can take against an unrepentant
christian are withholding brotherly
fellowship from him until he repents (1
corinthians 5:9-13; 2 thessalonians
3:14-15); and delivering or handing him
over to satan for spiritual correction (1
corinthians 5:1-5; 1 timothy 1:18-20). It
is unclear from the scriptures exactly
what it means to turn someone over to
satan.
Under the new covenant a change occurred.
Just as christians are to no longer
execute sinners, so they should not wage
carnal war, but spiritual warfare (john
18:36; 2 corinthians 10:1-6; ephesians
6:10-18; 1 timothy 1:18-20; 6:11-14; 2
timothy 2:3-5; 4:6-8). Christians must be
peacemakers (matthew 5:9, romans 14:19),
forgiving those who do them harm
(ephesians 4:29-32; colossians 3:12-14;
matthew 6:9-15; mark 11:25-26), treating
their enemies with love (luke 6:27-36) and
not seeking revenge (romans 12:17-21; 1
peter 3:8-12). Hatred which is the same
as homicide (1 john 3:15), is unforgiving,
vengeful and hostile towards one's
enemies.
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Anonymous
Posted: 01-22-06 12:54pm
Quote:
tr>
he brings out
that to commit homicide means more then
just killing someone, it means having an
angry and unforgiving attitude towards
them.
and I know this is true also. What was
wrong about "thou shalt not
kill?"
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nightangel73
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Posted: 01-22-06 14:36pm
Let me tell you in simple words guest.
Abortion= the killing of an unborn
child=the killing of someone innocent
even if it this words where not written in
the bible they are still correct. You
shall not kill, you shall not steal, you
shall not commit adultery, you shall not
lie. Abortion does not compare to wars.
This is about shedding blood of innocent
people.
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fatfamily02
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Posted: 01-22-06 15:04pm
anonymous
wrote:
Quote:
tr>
he brings out
that to commit homicide means more then
just killing someone, it means having an
angry and unforgiving attitude towards
them.
and I know this is true also. What was
wrong about "thou shalt not
kill?"
i dont know why it is calling me
guest--but I cannot post unless I am
signed in.
I do believe in war--to a certain degree.
Sometimes we have to fight to protect
that which is ours. Unless we get enough
faith to walk around jericho, and watch
the walls fall--we will need protection.
Right?? But an innocent life, baby, mother,
grandmother, all is a great and mighty
sin. And only the .Grace of .God is big
enough to pardon such a sin.
And I do agree if someone hates and has
anger with another, especially for no
reason, this causes a homicide spirit to
arise and to attack the innocent one.
That is why .God tells us to be careful
who we have as friends, and who we eat
with, for the mur/derers could be sitting
at our own table. I have learned there
are pple who hate you as much as they love
you--and we should steer clear of them for
their hate at us--is killing us.
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Posted: 01-22-06 16:41pm
What about the necessary abortions, susan
smith, the al queda's, iraq(their were a
lot of innocent killed their) 9-11(a lot
of innocent killed their) their have been
a lot of innocent parents killed by their
kids and visa versa, kids killed by their
class mates, columbine, robings and
killings, kids killing kids, so it is not
all about abortions, and these things will
only get worse. I will not give my
guns up just to have them put back on the
streets, no way, if vin ladin(sp) passed
my way I would kill his ass dead!
And I do not hate! And I have been in
a war and I believe in choice for an
abortion I would rather see an abortion
tha a baby or child beat, abused or
neglected. But their is an abortion
debate forum here.
Does this also mean that it is wrong to
put an animal down or to stop the life of
a person(dr. Assisted death) when he or
she has no life anymore and lives on
machines, or is in terrible pain that
cannot be controlled. Go to oregon, it is
legal!
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Anonymous
Posted: 01-22-06 20:08pm
nightangel73
wrote:
abortion= the killing of an
unborn child=the killing of someone
innocent
at least you are finally admitting you see
the woman as guilty and deserving of
punishment for sex.
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sunshine424
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Posted: 01-22-06 21:51pm
sandyallen
wrote:
what about the necessary
abortions, susan smith, the al queda's,
iraq(their were a lot of innocent killed
their) 9-11(a lot of innocent killed
their) their have been a lot of innocent
parents killed by their kids and visa
versa, kids killed by their class mates,
columbine, robings and killings, kids
killing kids, so it is not all about
abortions, and these things will only get
worse. I will not give my guns up
just to have them put back on the streets,
no way, if vin ladin(sp) passed my way I
would kill his ass dead!
And I do not hate! And I have been in
a war and I believe in choice for an
abortion I would rather see an abortion
tha a baby or child beat, abused or
neglected. But their is an abortion
debate forum here.
Does this also mean that it is wrong to
put an animal down or to stop the life of
a person(dr. Assisted death) when he or
she has no life anymore and lives on
machines, or is in terrible pain that
cannot be controlled. Go to oregon, it
is legal!
sandy, sandy sandy.
Have I already not said what i'm about to
say:
these woman that abuse their children
should have take the steps to not become
pregnant, even if that included .N.O sex.
Instead, your looking it as the abortion
would have prevented the child abuse. 2
wrongs do not make a right. Your
preaching ignorance and it's getting very
old.
Dear, it's .Bin laden, not .Vin. (lol).
And I would kill him too. Just a tad bit
difference than killing an innocent child.
I do not feel it is wrong to put a
suffering animal down. And personally, if
we want to get into it although off the
subject of abortion, I do not think Dr.
Assisted suicide is .M.O.R.A.L.L.Y wrong
either, if and .O.N.L.Y if the person and
family (because the loved ones are
affected too) agree on it together.
Suicide is wrong but at least morally, the
person is ok'ing it, unlike in an
abortion.
And that is my opinion.
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Posted: 01-22-06 23:57pm
anonymous
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
abortion= the killing of an
unborn child=the killing of someone
innocent
at least you are finally admitting you see
the woman as guilty and deserving of
punishment for
sex.
??????????
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sunshine424
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Posted: 01-23-06 07:55am
nightangel73
wrote:
anonymous
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
abortion= the killing of an
unborn child=the killing of someone
innocent
at least you are finally admitting you see
the woman as guilty and deserving of
punishment for
sex.
??????????
i think I can explain this.
Pro-choice likes to say that we pro-life
feel that because a woman has sex and gets
pregnant, that her punishment should be to
have a child.
Now the truth of the matter is....We don't
see children as a punishment. All we
simply say is you play (sex), you pay. In
other words, you play, then you should
take the responsiblity of your actions.
You know pro-choice, just another off the
wall argument they try to conjure up. ;o)
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tanleetris
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Abortions Wrong Or Right? Posted: 01-23-06 09:14am
I live in australia where abortions are
legal. I have had one my self... Sorry
people..... Sex is part of life, we all
do it, humans, animals ect....
I took precautions to stop unwanted
pregnancy, but fell pregnant any way. My
life was a mess at the time. I had no
money, no man as he ran off, no job. And
had to move back to my parents house. And
to make it worse I had problems and they
didn't know if the fetus would be harmed
in any way or not. Now I had to look at
my life and see if I could have this baby
and be able to give the child a loving
healthy, stable life. With my own life
being a mess how could I possibily do this
for another life. If you are not prepared
or able to give a child 99.9% of your
life, then don't have one, because they
will suffer in the long run. They don't
choose to come into this world, we bring
them into it, and you have to be able to
give them the best to make there life
bearable. If you can't and an accident
happens it is the right thing to do. It
is abuse if you don't....... Now in
saying that I don't believe in abortion as
birth control eg one after another... You
still have to have responcability when
having a sexual relationship......
Tanleetris.....
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Anonymous
Re: Abortions Wrong Or Right? Posted: 01-23-06 14:36pm
tanleetris
wrote:
i live in australia where
abortions are legal. I have had one my
self... Sorry people..... Sex is part
of life, we all do it, humans, animals
ect....
I took precautions to stop unwanted
pregnancy, but fell pregnant any way. My
life was a mess at the time. I had no
money, no man as he ran off, no job.
And had to move back to my parents house.
And to make it worse I had problems and
they didn't know if the fetus would be
harmed in any way or not. Now I had to
look at my life and see if I could have
this baby and be able to give the child a
loving healthy, stable life. With my own
life being a mess how could I possibily do
this for another life. If you are not
prepared or able to give a child 99.9% of
your life, then don't have one, because
they will suffer in the long run. They
don't choose to come into this world, we
bring them into it, and you have to be
able to give them the best to make there
life bearable. If you can't and an
accident happens it is the right thing to
do. It is abuse if you don't.......
Now in saying that I don't believe in
abortion as birth control eg one after
another... You still have to have
responcability when having a sexual
relationship......
Tanleetris.....
and responsibility would have been you
having the baby. Everyone knows birth
control can fail. All forms. Therefore,
knowing that, and still saying you would
abort if you used protection (like you)
and it failed, your not being responsible,
and you should not have been having sex.
Having a child when your not fully
prepared is not abuse. Last I knew,
killing someone is the most severe form of
abuse. Hello?
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fatfamily02
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Posted: 01-23-06 18:03pm
Well, maybe these girls got pregnant cuz
.God wanted to give them "a little
miracle"
i just dont see how anyone could kill a
baby??? It is just horrible to care more
for yourself than for a baby! In this
degree the church calls it a "spirit of
self" that women have --who kill their
baby's.
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Izzy
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Posted: 01-23-06 18:17pm
"i took precautions to stop unwanted
pregnancy, but fell pregnant any way."
so you refused to take any responsiblity
for your situation, the blood of the child
is on the hands of the contaception
companies, they are responsible for
unwanted children and abortion, not the
two adults concenting to sex?
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tanleetris
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Abortion Posted: 01-23-06 20:23pm
Wake up guy's nothing is black and white
in this life time, it is abuse if you
bring a child into a crummy life, you have
that choice. I wasn't thinking of my
self, I was only thinking of my child, and
weather or not I was able to give it all
it needed, and I took the most unselfish
way and didn't bring it into this horrible
life. What about pregnancy due to rape,
having the child is abuse because you will
hate or resent the child, therefore the
child will suffer, is that fair on the
child no! The child didn't do anything
wrong, the father did. Can you blame the
resentment from the mother no! Because
everytime she looked at the child she
would remember the traumatic rape. That
is what I hate about religion you people
think every thing so so straight forward,
but its not , life isn't as simple as the
words in your bible. The world has
changed since it was written, as nothing
is black and white or as straight forward
as you people think. I have met many
religious people and I would say not one
person would completely follow the bible
to the word......So the are the
hipicric...... I now have a six year old
son, and I did raise him on my own, I also
worked, bought a big 4 bedroom house, have
a new car, and he has everything to be a
healthy person. But I was in a better
position to give him all that. I was an
adult when I had him. I do not regret
having the abortion in the past, and I am
so glad that I live in a country that has
freedom of choice.... Children that are
forced into a crummy life, turn out to be
murders ect...........Buy the way how many
of you are parents? Wait until you have
experienced it all before you have a black
and white opinion please...........
Tanleetris
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Re: Abortions Wrong Or Right? Posted: 01-23-06 21:13pm
tanleetris
wrote:
i live in australia where
abortions are legal. I have had one my
self... Sorry people..... Sex is part
of life, we all do it, humans, animals
ect....
I took precautions to stop unwanted
pregnancy, but fell pregnant any way. My
life was a mess at the time. I had no
money, no man as he ran off, no job.
And had to move back to my parents house.
And to make it worse I had problems and
they didn't know if the fetus would be
harmed in any way or not. Now I had to
look at my life and see if I could have
this baby and be able to give the child a
loving healthy, stable life. With my own
life being a mess how could I possibily do
this for another life. If you are not
prepared or able to give a child 99.9% of
your life, then don't have one, because
they will suffer in the long run. They
don't choose to come into this world, we
bring them into it, and you have to be
able to give them the best to make there
life bearable. If you can't and an
accident happens it is the right thing to
do. It is abuse if you don't.......
Now in saying that I don't believe in
abortion as birth control eg one after
another... You still have to have
responcability when having a sexual
relationship......
Tanleetris.....
did you ever consider adoption...There are
many people on this earth that would love
to have a baby of their own ...Maybe you
didnt have the money to raise a child
..Alot of people dont ...But they dont run
to abortion for help...They take their
consquence and work their ass off to give
that baby the life it deserves...Or close
to it anyways....Maybe you should have
thought about the chance you were taking
(getting pregnant)..When you were having
sex...If your life was so messed up then
why were you even having sex dont you
think you should have been using your time
trying to get your life back on track
..?
I am 18 with a 6 month old ...Like I had
the money to have a baby...Um no I didnt
..But I sure didnt have a abortion...And
my son is the best thing that has ever
happened to me ...If I had to wake up
everyday knowing I took a life..I dont
think my life would be very enjoyable..So
another question to you is... How do you
look at yourself now that you had an
abortion?--and didnt even give your unborn
baby the life it deserved..????
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Posted: 01-23-06 21:36pm
I must concur with tanleetris on this -
she made some very valid points. Yeah,
it's true that contraception isn't 100
percent effective in preventing pregnancy,
but it shows that people are trying to
prevent conception from occurring when
they use it. So, if they don't want a
child and their contraception fails, they
should automatically have to keep that
child?
That is completely unfair to both the
child and the parent. What point is there
in bringing a child into the world where
it was not wanted? Kids mess up the lives
of people who don't want them who feel
like they need to keep the kids because
pro-lifers will force crap down their
throats about how they are killing
innocent kids. I think it's more humane
to end the life of an undeveloped, unborn
child than to give birth to it and raise
it while pretending to love it. Parents
who need to pretend to love their kids
will inevitably grow to resent and dislike
their kids. It's these said parents who
may someday begin to neglect and abuse
their kids.
As far as i'm concerned, aborting an
unwanted pregnancy is the responsible
thing to do - not keeping a child you
never wanted. Adoption is an option, but
foster homes are bursting at the seams
with kids people don't want because they
were probably told how evil they would be
for aborting. Yes, give birth to another
kid no one will want so they can grow up
without real love for a few years.
In my own honest opinion, abortion is the
best thing given to women since birth
control.
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fatfamily02
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Re: Abortion Posted: 01-23-06 23:09pm
tanleetris
wrote:
wake up guy's nothing is
black and white in this life time, it is
abuse if you bring a child into a crummy
life, you have that choice. I wasn't
thinking of my self, I was only thinking
of my child, and weather or not I was able
to give it all it needed, and I took the
most unselfish way and didn't bring it
into this horrible life. What about
pregnancy due to rape, having the child is
abuse because you will hate or resent the
child, therefore the child will suffer, is
that fair on the child no! The child
didn't do anything wrong, the father did.
Can you blame the resentment from the
mother no! Because everytime she
looked at the child she would remember the
traumatic rape. That is what I hate
about religion you people think every
thing so so straight forward, but its not
, life isn't as simple as the words in
your bible. The world has changed
since it was written, as nothing is black
and white or as straight forward as you
people think. I have met many
religious people and I would say not one
person would completely follow the bible
to the word......So the are the
hipicric...... I now have a six year
old son, and I did raise him on my own, I
also worked, bought a big 4 bedroom house,
have a new car, and he has everything to
be a healthy person. But I was in a
better position to give him all that.
I was an adult when I had him. I do
not regret having the abortion in the
past, and I am so glad that I live in a
country that has freedom of choice....
Children that are forced into a crummy
life, turn out to be not a nice acts
ect...........Buy the way how many of you
are parents? Wait until you have
experienced it all before you have a black
and white opinion please...........
Tanleetris
i was not talking to you--i was talking to
pple in general?? If pple who think
they dont want their baby---would only
realize the baby is a "gift from .God" a
lot of abortions, would be avoided. I
understand a lot of pple have felt they
had no choice, but there is an 'evil
spirit' going around too, when a person
has a 5 or 6 and still not taking
responsibility for their actions. If I
would have talked to you before you had
your abortions I would have said "please
do not kill your baby" what else can I
say?? I dont hate you for what you
have done--i do understand --many times
the girls think it is their only choice.
As far as experience, I myself have been
pregnant 10 different times in my life.
(i miscarried 6 baby's) I am expecting
right now, I have 3 grown children, and I
have 2 grandbaby's. .God bless hon
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Who Are You People to Pass Judgement?? Posted: 01-24-06 11:46am
I love all this righteousness and hollier
than tough attitudes. Does it not say
judge not, least ye be judged? Or those
living in glass houses shouldn't cast
stones??
Why don't you folks get off your high
horses. God will sort all this out when
the time comes.
As for your righteousness, why don't you
step up and offer to foster these
abandoned children? These poor abused
children taken from neglectful woman who
shouldn't have had children in the first
place.
Sure, they shouldn't have had sex, that's
easy to say. But the did, now they have
a child they don't want and don't care to
take care of. Those women who knew
before hand that their child would be
nothing more than a burden on them and
society, took steps, albiet drastic steps,
to assure they wouldn't burden society any
more than they already have.
So.. As apposed to spitting out the
gospel here ladies, why not be a christian
and step up and offer to adopt or foster.
Teach those young children the way you
believe. Do not force your beliefs on
other adults!!!