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Are You Really Pro-life Posted: 01-20-06 06:11am
Crying is a form of communication until
they are able to have non-verbal
commuincation or able to speak
ask yourself this if anyone of you can say
yes to these questions your a hypocrite
1. Do you take birth control
(a sperm and egg and considered life and
although they cannot implant they can
fertilize but both form of these cells
were alive to begin with so ur killing
life)
2. If you were dying of cancer would you
get treatment
(smae thing your killing life)
a fetus is not able to support iteself
till after 20 weeks(24 weeks) for a good
chance of survival, a fetus is actually
registered as a foreign object but
produces a hormone that keeps it in the
mother except in cases of rh factor. So
in the end although a mother can get
pregnant it is not natural to have a fetus
in her here is why
when you get preggo the fetus produce a
mass amount of hormones to keep itself
implanted within the uterus when labor
apporaches the fetus stops producing this
hormone meaning you get contractions and
expel the fetus. If your body were truly
meant to have children you body would have
produced this hormone its almost as if it
is forced eve if the mother had willed
it.
If a woman decides she doesnt want to
carry a child at 12 weeks its not her
problem she shouldnt have to, why? Cause
if it is a living being at no matter what
age it can live in an outside environment
just like a human being. In other words
she allowed life but the potential was
unable to sustain itself so it is not her
problem
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Posted: 01-20-06 09:25am
sunshine424
wrote:
it's not an abortion. It is a
spontaneous abortion....If you wish to
call it that. I personally do not see it
that way. A miscarriage was not caused
intentionally by the mother so it should
have no relation to the word
abortion.
a miscarriage is known as a spontaneous
abortion. Otherwise it is an induced, or
elective, abortion. To "abort" is simply
to end something early.
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Cambion
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Posted: 01-20-06 11:51am
Quote:
we are not giving
the "living's" rights to the unborn fetus.
We should give it rights period. The
woman became pregnant. As I have said in
the past, the woman's right came into play
when she had the right to have or not have
sex. That is her right. She should not
have the right to kill her child because
she had the right to stop or not stop the
act that led to the pregnancy. Last time
I checked this is none other than sex.
By the way, a 1 day old baby cannot speak
nor do anything for him/herself either.
I suppose that means we can kill it
because we have the "right" to....Right?
Oh, and a fetus can live outside the
mother starting at 20 weeks. This is
rare but has happened. At 24 weeks it
has a chance at life as well. Woman get
abortions at 24 weeks. The worst of
them.
If you give something life, you can take
it away? Who died and made you .God?
Wow. That's quite a statement. First
off, the only person that has given us
life is .God. But I won't get into that
anymore than this statement because I
don't know nor care what you believe in.
But lets take your statement about taking
away life if given by you. That means,
at any point in our children's life, we
can end it? If little billy angers you
off one day at age 5 or any age because he
colored the walls or for whatever, you
have the right to kill him? Ouch.
That "parasite" was put there by the
mother. If she did not want it there,
she should not have had sex. Period.
Once she "puts it there" she is morally
obligated to protect her child and give
life to her child.
......Or let me put it this way: any
.D.E.C.E.N.T woman would give birth to her
child. If you don't, your not right.
It's that
simple.
sex is the best way to get pregnant, but
have you not ever heard of men touching
women with semen on their hands and
impregnating them? It does happen,
probably more to teenage girls than adult
women, and it's why there are pregnant
virgins.
Yes, a child might be able to survive
outside the womb at 20 weeks, but it can't
do so without medical attention. I know
children can be born up to 4 months
prematurely, and they require intense
medical treatment so they don't die from
being so underdeveloped.
And do not even go into the damn alleged
religious side of abortion. People play
god every day. Whether they receive
vaccines, undergo surgery to correct a
heart problem, or even something as simple
as popping an aspirin to treat a headache
- whenever a person does anything to alter
what occurs naturally, they play god.
It's not just women who choose to abort -
we have all played god.
When did I ever say that ending a child's
life after it's born is okay? You're
putting words in my mouth again. I don't
think it's right when parents will go and
slaughter their kids - it's not the fault
of the child that it was born, and if the
parents didn't want it, they should have
aborted it. No one has the right to kill
a born, living person of any age, but they
have the ability.
As far as i'm concerned, there is nothing
wrong with ending the life of an
undeveloped creature, including a human
fetus. If it's not wanted, there is no
point in bringing it into a world where it
would get neglected. Keeping an unwanted
child and subjecting it to neglect and
abuse is more evil than taking its life
and saving it from the torment it would
suffer if it were to be born. I dare to
say abortion is a form of mercy killing.
Quote:
cambion, it's
like you can read my mind or something.
X) anyway, I agree exactly and my post
would have been nearly identical to yours,
so I won't bother.
eiri, I think you're my hero.
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one thing I wish to add as far as
miscarriage being spontaneous
abortion...This is only my own humble
opinion, but to abort something means to
end it in an unnatural way. Unless there
are outside factors such as alcohol,
drugs, or abuse, miscarriage is a natural
process when the body simply rejects the
fetus. I'm such a nitpicker - sorry guys.
:wink:
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Posted: 01-20-06 13:10pm
cambion
wrote:
one thing I wish to add as far as
miscarriage being spontaneous
abortion...This is only my own humble
opinion, but to abort something means to
end it in an unnatural way. Unless there
are outside factors such as alcohol,
drugs, or abuse, miscarriage is a natural
process when the body simply rejects the
fetus. I'm such a nitpicker - sorry
guys.
:wink:
whatever makes you happy. But if you
google "spontaneous abortion" you will get
something like:
a spontaneous abortion is the loss of a
fetus during pregnancy due to natural
causes. The term "miscarriage" is the
spontaneous termination of a pregnancy
before fetal development has reached 20
weeks. Pregnancy losses after the 20th
week are categorized as preterm
deliveries.
The term "spontaneous abortion" refers to
these naturally occurring events, not
elective or therapeutic abortion
procedures."
http://www.5mcc.C
om/assets/summary/tp0001.Html
"description: abortion is the separation
of products of conception from the uterus
prior to the potential for fetal survival
outside the uterus. Gestationally, the
point at which potential fetal viability
exists has been the subject of much legal
and scientific debate, and definitions
vary from state to state; however, a
"potentially viable" fetus generally
weighs at least 500 grams and/or has a
gestational age over 20 weeks.
Spontaneous abortion: refers to expulsion
of all (complete abortion) or part
(incomplete abortion) of the products of
conception from the uterus prior to the
20th completed week of gestation. The
placenta, either in whole or in part, can
be retained and leads to continuing
vaginal bleeding (sometimes profuse).
Abortion is "threatened" when vaginal
bleeding occurs early in pregnancy, with
or without uterine contractions, but
without dilatation of the cervix, rupture
of the membranes, or expulsion of products
of conception. Cervical dilation, rupture
of membranes or expulsion of products in
the presence of vaginal bleeding portends
"inevitable abortion." differentiation
between threatened and inevitable abortion
is desirable since management differs.
Missed abortion: failed first trimester
pregnancy but without the usual signs and
symptoms such as bleeding or cramping.
Term blighted ovum replaced with
anembryonic gestation. Ultrasound
findings of "empty sac."
induced abortion: refers to the evacuation
of uterine contents/products of conception
by either medical or surgical methodology
infected abortion: infection involving the
products of conception and the maternal
reproductive organs
septic abortion: dissemination of bacteria
(and/or their toxins) into the maternal
circulatory and organ system
habitual spontaneous abortion: three or
more consecutive spontaneous abortions.
Risk of another spontaneous abortion is
approximately 25-30% with 70% rate of
successful pregnancy in subsequent
pregnancy."
"abortion [abortion] expulsion of the
products of conception before the embryo
or fetus is viable. Any interruption of
human pregnancy prior to the 28th week is
known as abortion. The term spontaneous
abortion, or miscarriage, is used to
signify delivery of a nonviable embryo or
fetus due to fetal or maternal factors, as
opposed to purposely induced abortion.
Therapeutic abortion is an induced
abortion performed to preserve the health
or life of the mother. "
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Cambion
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Posted: 01-20-06 14:18pm
Interesting...I think it's just the term
"spontaneous abortion" that throws me.
While miscarriage can't be stopped,
abortions are voluntary. Damn
terminology...Oh well. Once again,
forgive my nitpicking. But thanks for the
input, poopoopoo.
