I haven't figured out how to contract it yet, just got the book today.

Dear den71

if you got the book please let us know:

there is a real vip muscle?
Does it work?

How can you identify that muscle?

Please help alll of us!

Thanks.

I have the book but haven't found it yet. Near tailbone. Others here have claimed to have success with it but I am still not there.

Dear den71

we are all very anxious.

Please let us know some pormenors:

how to find the muscle, etc... So we also can try.

Thanks

I am not alan ritz.. Lets clarify that upfront, although my grammar is probably on the same level.
A bit of an introduction is probably in order. I have sex rarely (once every 3 months) as my situation (marriage-separation) is not allowing for much more. But the last encounter I came across was not that pleasing. Not only did I finish in under a minute but the next erection, which took 4-5 minutes to get there, was not nearly as strong. I had sex next night and a few nights in a row (was real happy). But the same was happening, 2-4 minutes on first time and a semi-erection thereafter with a max 10-15 minutes. Not exactly pe but close enough. So I decided to get the book after reading reviews. The pe was probably the most important factor. I had also tried a bit of tantra practicing in the past, which had helped (breath is important) but had not taken me to the point I wanted to be. I have not taken any of the supplements yet, but will be doing so soon.

Now as for the vip...

I will point out that I tried it 3 times in the past week. I only got results the first time and slightly the 2nd but not noticeable. The first it was intense, not groundbreaking but different. I practiced it by peeing without stopping the pee, as opposed to the pc clench. But I could not really find that the two were that different, its just that the vip was less of a pc clench. You will recognize the difference from the penis action, first make sure your abs are in and also try the masturbation based on the knees up version. When exercising in flaccid mode the penis seems to pull in!! I always felt a full pc clench tended to extend out the penis. You can even feel the pc muscle a bit. I tried as well to find some diagram of that muscle group but could not come up with anything.

Either way, first I noticed that even though I was very close to climaxing it would somehow fade, still there but without the need to come. Maybe it extended time by 10-15% max, here is where it got funny. Prior to climaxing I started feeling really orgasmic, like sensations. Next thing I know while climaxing a feeling coming from the base of my spine was ohhh so awesome.. I mean moaning while alone awesome.. :o I have never experienced a prostate orgasm, but this was not internal, it was from the outside, and it was not from the anus... I am sure of this guys, and would not be taking all this effort to post if I didn't think that there might be something to this. I smoke way too much and my diet lately has been awful so I haven't really been trying, also note that the position really made a difference on this. How one can do it with a woman is beyond me but I will start practicing more and let you guys know how it goes. For the record it did not produce multiple orgasms or orgasms without ejaculating,, but none the less it was different and intense.. Felt like a super flow of energy from the base of the spine, it was very localized, and breathtaking. The 2nd time I barely felt it, the third nothing. Tried a few times afterward but with no success. I hope to figure this out even if its only that feeling it was really strong enough to warrant more into the subject. The key I found is not to overdue the clench its very subtle and quick. I also noticed that massaging that area, avoiding the anus, will still produce an erection. Will try some more and let you know.. :roll:

Bluelq:

can you describe a little more specifically please how and where to locate the "vip muscle?"

and also, how ritz says to massage it, or stretch it or otherwise work with it?



Thanks,
dr. Kaydub

The muscle is located right between the anus and the tail bone. Ritz claims that it also between anus and pc muscle and that part of the pc muscle is actually the vip. To locate it I used his technique, sit on the floor on your knees, and place your but cheeks on each foot. Then place your hand to locate it while trying to contract it. It is a very light feeling but it is there. I have been doing some practice sessions and although I never got that feeling again, I do get a stronger orgasm, and a general feeling of higher climaxing much prior to actual climax. So at this point I have concluded that indeed it is there and indeed it does something. Altough by no means a master. I must say I did not get that feeling from pc muscle tryouts. This actually gives you a inner feeling of pleasure it is very slight still but there. I smoke heavily and my diet is awfull so once I go on a healty regiment I expect much stronger results. Hopefully this year. Keep in mind that the actual pulling or flexing of that muscle is like a light pc muscle flex, but very light and of a quick duration. I also noticed that I flex my pc muscle when I get nervous, on the street and so on. This might actually give ritz some credibility that indeed it engages the sympathetic nervous system. Will let you know..

Had to edit this in. He sais to contract it while mastrubating, one for each hand movement. There might also be something to this. I even felt something just by contracting, semi erection etc..

I wondered if there is a muscle group there.. Indeed there is a group called levator ani.. Some sub muscles actually aid in erection. This is a extensive illistration but if there is a doctor in the house please comment on how deep they run or they very near the skin. Either way the vip or some muscle there does exist.. You alan ritz..

Http://www.Medunsa.Ac.Za/faculties/medicin e/anatomy/histo/nursing/lectures/desire/ma le & female perineum nurses.Pd f#search="superficial transverse per ineal muscle,"

No, I am joking. Why do I only have to turn my back and a competitor of mine immediately starts posting nonsensical things about my book on this site? Maybe because they have nothing better to do.

Anyway, levator ani is not the correct anatomical name of the small group of muscles that I collectively named in my book. The reason is that levator ani deals exclusively with the anus while it has nothing to do with my method for multiple orgasms.

Please, read carefully the book. I stated it very clearly that you cannot and should not use that muscle before you have eliminated all deficiencies of key biochemical substances in your body! This includes acetylcholine, serotonin and dopamine. If you have premature ejaculation then you must follow the advice and override the overproduction and effect of adrenalin in your body. Otherwise, no exercises will help you out.

Please, avoid posting copyrighted content from my book online as well as lies. I studied and worked long and hard to provide this crucial research in a book format. Moreover, 4 pills viagra cost $50 and will help you to have 4 erections. My book is times cheaper and solves such problems completely and permanently. I think that it is fair enough.
Http://www.Amazon.Com/scientifically-guara nteed-multiple-orgasms-ultimate/dp/1598001 68x
have a nice day.
A. Ritz

Check out this site for more info on the muscle of the genital area.

http://penis-enlargement-manual.thunderspl ace.org/locating-the-bc.html

No. I doubt it. It is far more likely, in my opinion, that it is a reaction to a need. If I am typical of an average reader, the reason is because many of those who have bought the book feel very let down and are desperate for a better written explanation of the system. The book promises so much but, for me at least, dramatically fails to deliver.

• I have owned the book for very nearly 12 months now.
  
  
• I have a college degree and an IQ of over 140.
  
  
• After High School I studied Chemistry, Biology and Maths.

I have read the book at least four times. I have made Mind Maps from it. It has highlighter pen and notes all over it. I have bought GABA and 5-HTP. I take three teaspoons of lecithin a day as well as a great multi-vitamin and whey protein powder formula. I drink a lot of water, am aerobically fit and go to the gym four or five times each week.

Despite all of that - I am still unable to make the system work despite having tried to learn it several times.

Assuming that Mr Ritz is correct in his belief that focused contraction of the 'VIP Muscle' results in stimulation of the local parasympatheic nerves and prevents ejaculation, and also assuming that the loading of the body with appropriate amounts of choline, vitamins/minerals and neurotransmitter precursors allows for sustained strong erections - I can only assume that I have failed to understand which substances I should be consuming and how to perform the exercises correctly.

I have to say that I have found Mr Ritz’s writing style extremely difficult to understand. I think that it needs to be completely re-written in a clear and easy to understand form. Whether this is done by Mr Ritz working with a professional ‘ghost writer’ or by some other individual who is able to explain the system well, I don't really care. I would very happily pay anyone $50 for a book that is able to teach me the knowledge and technique that are promised on the back cover of Mr Ritz's book.

Mr Ritz must have made a lot of money from the sale of his book. I would be very grateful if he would use some of it to employ a professional writer to help him produce the Second Edition of his volume. I would certainly buy it.

PS This forum seems to be converting a lot of letters from the upper case versions that I have typed to their lower case equivalents. I have tried to correct it but without success. Please be assured that where an errant lower case letter appears, I typed the upper case version!

Hmn, yes... Well, all I'll say is on the subject of letters and their cases.

This forum has coding that tries to prevent people from typing in all capital letters, the equivalent of "yelling" online. Unfortunately, this makes it very frustrating to have words in a sentence that are supposed to be capitalized. it also has the habit of decapitalizing letters at the beginning of a paragraph. The coding will also capitalize any letter after sentence-ending punctuation marks. Normally the letter "i" will be correctly capitalized as the singular pronoun, but not always.

[quote="Eiri"]Hmn, yes... Well, all I'll say is on the subject of letters and their cases.[quote]

Thanks Eiri - I thought I was going mad! I could see my capital letters in the edit window but they went missing after I clicked Submit!

Anyway ... I've just been to the site that is linked in the post before Alan Ritz's and looked at their diagrams.

There are no pictures in Mr Ritz's book ... maybe he needs some because I am now even more confused.

If Mr Ritz reads this I would really like to know this:

I know that, according to Mr Ritz, I shouldn't be contracting the PC muscle. Whether the other guy is correct in identifying the bulbocavernosus as the one that we are really contracting when we think we are contracting the PC or not, I don't know and it's not really important if you are following Mr Ritz's technique.

My question is - is the 'VIP Muscle' the iliococcygeus or the muscle that actually attaches to the coccyx and passes around the anal sphincter?

Maybe this is where I have been going wrong all this time!

What I garnered from the book (and I agree it's poorly written, and poorly delivers. The main topic of the book is skimmed over, while the majority is filled with other stuff) is that the VIP is the muscle above the anus and on or below your tail bone.

Trail your finger down your spine until you're at the very bottom of any bone, that's your tail bone. Now the muscle between that and your anus is what I believe to be the reported, VIP muscle. What muscle is it technically? I don't know.

I haven't really worked it other than when I first read the book, but I would say that it definitely heightens sensations. The difficulty is contracting it without contracting other muscles. Usually when you have exercised muscles, you gain better control, so if you kept working at it maybe you could contract it alone. The best way I found to isolate it was to lay on your side and knees pulled in to about 90's with your torso. Then try to exercise only the muscle between your anus and tailbone.

To get a feel of how it effects orgasms you can lie on your back knees up and feet flat on the surface you're lying on. Then masturbate slowly. The book says to contract it each stroke. I found this rather difficult to do without contracting others. So what I did was isolate it, contract it and hold it, then masturbate. While I did so great orgasmic feelings built without too much direction towards ejaculation. However, it'd eventually build to ejaculation.

Why I stopped, I don't know. I should get back to it, because it was good.

Perhaps exercising the muscle any old time during the day will help build it faster and allow you to better isolate it.

Thanks 'HealthySex', that is useful. I had also experienced the problem of synchronizing strokes with contractions and wasn't able to get beyond that - your tip has helped at lot. I discovered the knees at 90° position too while lying in bed one night - and agree that, in my case at least, it's better than the one described in the book.

I was rather hoping that Alan Ritz would respond to all of this (assuming it really was him who moaned about the others who were trying to bring clarity to his work). I would dearly like him to refine the teaching of this technique as it promises so much. As is evidenced by this thread, if Ritz doesn't improve it soon, someone else will and earn the money that Ritz could have made.

VIP is an acronym for 'vasoactive intestinal peptide' and is thought to be the primary relaxant transmitter in gastric muscle and tenia coli. It has a half-life in the blood of about two minutes. Now, I don't know about you guys, but with these statements I am picking up some quite intuitive clues...

The VIP muscle is not (I feel) a real muscle, but a site where the 'vip' peptide is released at climax to relax penile muscle and induce flaccidity...I would suggest that the number of 'variables' involved during sexual activity are mechanisms that 'switch on' and 'switch off' chemical inducements around the genital area...it is simply a system of excitations and inhibitions.
Perhaps, it is probable that the 'vip' peptide (and possibly other chemicals) is what is involved in creating the intense pleasurable feelings during climax at which point the muscles around the genitalia are in full contraction...and thence they go into relaxation under the peptide influence.
The reason for this is a natural biological throwback to primeval times...for if the organism remained too long in the throes of climax, they would be vulnerable to predators and other competitors for the female? (hence the peptides half-life of only two minutes).
Any stimulation of the site of the so-called VIP Muscle, would probably encourage both the production and the release of the 'vip' peptide, and judging from some of the comments on this thread, this would plausibly be the case.
Other factors involved would be one's level of health, particularly in the intake of oxygen, and also, on the proficiency of one's electrolytes which are fired during climax.

Will look more deeper into this for a greater depth of understanding...what I have provided here is quite basic, but probably on the right track.

Best wishes

I am a gynaecologist and a pelvic surgeon.I came across this site while searching for literature online.
I am sorry for all you guys who have been contorting to find the VIP muscle, well I can tell you the Gray's antaomy textbook doest not list such a thing.
And Mr Ritz's comment about Levator Ani being associated only with the anus is complete nonsense.Levator ani is a pair of two large muscles with three components each one of which is Pubococcygeus(pc for you. Levators maintain continence, and play a major role in child birth and is also incidentally forms the floor of your pelvis holding up all your guts from falling on the kitchen floor.
Premature ejaculation is a complex phenomenon with dubious definitions.By all means discuss, research and get the Nobel prize even by inventing a 'cure'. Just don't encourage charlatans like Alan Ritz.
If you could modify acetylcholine , dopamine and serotonin levels by dietary supplements, we wouldnt have anybody with parkinsons disease,clinical depression or muscular dystrophies, surely a worthier cause than PE.
Sorry for the rant, I will get back to google scholar, Happy new year.