"the highest proportion (43%) identified
themselves as protestant. Twenty-seven
percent of women having an abortion
identified themselves as catholic, and 8%
as a member of another religion; 22%
reported no religious affiliation.
Thirteen percent identified themselves as
"born-again" or evangelical, three-fourths
of whom were protestant (not shown)."
http://www.
Guttmacher.Org/pubs/journals/3422602.Html<
/a>
one thing is claim to have a religious
affiliation and other is being actually
religious. A person who loves god in
their heart is not going to have an
abortion. It just doesn't happen. But
feel free to think otherwise.
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sunshine424
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Re: to Sunshine Posted: 01-19-06 15:01pm
nightangel73
wrote:
jenn_smithson
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
most of these girls who
abort children don't know
god.
first, according to the
.A.G.I, 56% of .Women in the .U.S who
obtain an abortion are in their 20's.
They aren't "girls" but are .Women.
Quote:
they were not
raised in a christian home, nor they
received a christian
education.
"the highest proportion (43%) identified
themselves as protestant. Twenty-seven
percent of women having an abortion
identified themselves as catholic, and 8%
as a member of another religion; 22%
reported no religious affiliation.
Thirteen percent identified themselves as
"born-again" or evangelical, three-fourths
of whom were protestant (not shown)."
http://www.
Guttmacher.Org/pubs/journals/3422602.Html<
/a>
one thing is claim to have a religious
affiliation and other is being actually
religious. A person who loves god in
their heart is not going to have an
abortion. It just doesn't happen. But
feel free to think
otherwise.
agreed. There are a ton of people around
that world that identify themselves as
part of a religion but don't actually
practice it.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-19-06 19:38pm
I must agree with jenn's data. Mostly
because it's true. Secondly, I love god
(or whatever it is that's up there, i'm
not sure) but I might still have an
abortion if it came to that. That doesn't
diminish my love for god.
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Posted: 01-19-06 20:31pm
eiri
wrote:
i must agree with jenn's
data. Mostly because it's true.
Secondly, I love god (or whatever it is
that's up there, i'm not sure) but I might
still have an abortion if it came to that.
That doesn't diminish my love for
god.
and what is your imaginary god about?
What are his rules? The only thing I can
guess is that your god is okay with taking
away life.
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Posted: 01-19-06 20:42pm
hahahahahahaha
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
and what is your imaginary
god about? What are his rules? The
only thing I can guess is that your god is
okay with taking away
life.
kind of like
yours.
the question was not addressed to you.
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Posted: 01-19-06 20:47pm
nightangel73
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
i must agree with jenn's
data. Mostly because it's true.
Secondly, I love god (or whatever it is
that's up there, i'm not sure) but I might
still have an abortion if it came to that.
That doesn't diminish my love for
god.
and what is your imaginary god about?
What are his rules? The only thing I
can guess is that your god is okay with
taking away
life.
i follow many things from the bible, but I
also reject some things. I take bits and
pieces from all religions. I believe
that all religions are worshipping the
same god (even the polytheistic ones, they
have simply splitnered him) they just
refuse to admit it.
My god is your god, but you have assigned
things to him that are not true.
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sunshine424
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Posted: 01-19-06 20:47pm
eiri
wrote:
i must agree with jenn's
data. Mostly because it's true.
Secondly, I love god (or whatever it is
that's up there, i'm not sure) but I might
still have an abortion if it came to that.
That doesn't diminish my love for
god.
yes, can I ask too, what is your ".God"
like? You are really confused I think.
You talk of god and your love for god.
Yet you talk trash quite often too about
the "man" up above. Eiri, for the 100th
time, which is it? You do or don't
believe in .God? I would just like an
answer.
And yes, your "god" must feel it is okay
to kill.
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sunshine424
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Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 397 Location: New York
Posted: 01-19-06 20:48pm
eiri
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
i must agree with jenn's
data. Mostly because it's true.
Secondly, I love god (or whatever it is
that's up there, i'm not sure) but I might
still have an abortion if it came to that.
That doesn't diminish my love for
god.
and what is your imaginary god about?
What are his rules? The only thing I
can guess is that your god is okay with
taking away
life.
i follow many things rom the bible, but I
also reject some things. I take bits and
pieces from all religions. I believe
that all religions are worshipping the
same god (even the polytheistic ones, they
have simply splitnered him) they just
refuse to admit it.
My god is your god, but you have assigned
things to him that are not
true.
maybe .Y.O.U assigned things to him that
are not true. Why is it that nightangel
assigned things that are not true. Assume
much?
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sunshine424
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Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 397 Location: New York
Posted: 01-19-06 20:48pm
nightangel73
wrote:
hahahahahahaha
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
and what is your imaginary
god about? What are his rules?
The only thing I can guess is that your
god is okay with taking away
life.
kind of like
yours.
the question was not addressed to
you.
it's called "obnoxious".
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-19-06 20:52pm
sunshine424
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
i must agree with jenn's
data. Mostly because it's true.
Secondly, I love god (or whatever it is
that's up there, i'm not sure) but I might
still have an abortion if it came to that.
That doesn't diminish my love for
god.
yes, can I ask too, what is your ".God"
like? You are really confused I think.
You talk of god and your love for god.
Yet you talk trash quite often too about
the "man" up above. Eiri, for the 100th
time, which is it? You do or don't
believe in .God? I would just like an
answer.
And yes, your "god" must feel it is okay
to kill.
for the 101st time, I do not believe in
the christian god as you portray him. I
diss the bible and the people who
wrote it, not god. There is a difference;
the bible was written by mortal men, and
god surpasses all of that.
Imagine god is a gigantic discoball.
Every single religion is looking at one
single mirror on that ball and declares it
as the "one true god" (or thay pick more
than one, like polytheistics) but almost
no one sees the whole ball, and none of
you want to admit that these facets of god
are what makes up the whole.
That is how I see god.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-19-06 21:01pm
As for killing, god understands that
things die. In buddhism, if a child dies,
it was meant to be (i don't believe in
fate but I do believe in the buddhist
belief of reincarnation, sort of). It's
soul just returns up to... Nirvana, like
a large pool of souls... But it's one
biiiig soul, like a big bowl of soup.
Little drops come out, expereince life as
humans, and then return to the big soul.
That's my belief anyway.
Souls cannot get "lost", or "wasted",
because they don't get a chance to live
life. They just go back up and wait until
the time is right.
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sunshine424
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Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 397 Location: New York
Posted: 01-19-06 21:04pm
eiri
wrote:
as for killing, god
understands that things die. In
buddhism, if a child dies, it was meant to
be (i don't believe in fate but I do
believe in the buddhist belief of
reincarnation, sort of). It's soul just
returns up to... Nirvana, like a large
pool of souls... But it's one biiiig
soul, like a big bowl of soup. Little
drops come out, expereince life as humans,
and then return to the big soul. That's
my belief anyway.
Souls cannot get "lost", or "wasted",
because they don't get a chance to live
life. They just go back up and wait
until the time is
right.
of course .God understands that things
die. When it's your time, it just is.
But he does not understand killing. He
doesn't tolerate that. He forgives, but
killing is not acceptable to .God. If a
child dies, it was the child's time, but
killing a child does not mean it was the
child's time. Your "bowl of soup" example
is pretty trippy. Lol
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Posted: 01-19-06 21:06pm
eiri
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
i must agree with jenn's
data. Mostly because it's true.
Secondly, I love god (or whatever it is
that's up there, i'm not sure) but I might
still have an abortion if it came to that.
That doesn't diminish my love for
god.
yes, can I ask too, what is your ".God"
like? You are really confused I think.
You talk of god and your love for god.
Yet you talk trash quite often too about
the "man" up above. Eiri, for the 100th
time, which is it? You do or don't
believe in .God? I would just like an
answer.
And yes, your "god" must feel it is okay
to kill.
for the 101st time, I do not believe in
the christian god as you portray him. I
diss the bible and the people who
wrote it, not god. There is a
difference; the bible was written by
mortal men, and god surpasses all of
that.
Imagine god is a gigantic discoball.
Every single religion is looking at one
single mirror on that ball and declares it
as the "one true god" (or thay pick more
than one, like polytheistics) but almost
no one sees the whole ball, and none of
you want to admit that these facets of god
are what makes up the whole.
That is how I see
god.
and you don't think eiri if god is that
powerful that he couldn't be able to get
his message across written by mortal men?
He is the god of the mortal men.
I agree that others religion do point out
the same god. I have indian coworkers and
for how the describe their religion the
principles are the same. Do not kill, do
not steal and so on...I actually asked my
indian coworker today what do hindus think
of abortion. She told me "it's a sin"
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Posted: 01-19-06 21:13pm
sunshine424
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
as for killing, god
understands that things die. In
buddhism, if a child dies, it was meant to
be (i don't believe in fate but I do
believe in the buddhist belief of
reincarnation, sort of). It's soul just
returns up to... Nirvana, like a large
pool of souls... But it's one biiiig
soul, like a big bowl of soup. Little
drops come out, expereince life as humans,
and then return to the big soul. That's
my belief anyway.
Souls cannot get "lost", or "wasted",
because they don't get a chance to live
life. They just go back up and wait
until the time is
right.
of course .God understands that things
die. When it's your time, it just is.
But he does not understand killing. He
doesn't tolerate that. He forgives, but
killing is not acceptable to .God. If a
child dies, it was the child's time, but
killing a child does not mean it was the
child's time. Your "bowl of soup"
example is pretty trippy.
Lol
it's not acceptable to your
god. Your misinterpreted god. God
understand the value of life, and how
people are more worthy than fetuses.
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sunshine424
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Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 397 Location: New York
Posted: 01-19-06 21:22pm
eiri
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
as for killing, god
understands that things die. In
buddhism, if a child dies, it was meant to
be (i don't believe in fate but I do
believe in the buddhist belief of
reincarnation, sort of). It's soul
just returns up to... Nirvana, like a
large pool of souls... But it's one
biiiig soul, like a big bowl of soup.
Little drops come out, expereince life as
humans, and then return to the big soul.
That's my belief anyway.
Souls cannot get "lost", or "wasted",
because they don't get a chance to live
life. They just go back up and wait
until the time is
right.
of course .God understands that things
die. When it's your time, it just is.
But he does not understand killing. He
doesn't tolerate that. He forgives, but
killing is not acceptable to .God. If
a child dies, it was the child's time, but
killing a child does not mean it was the
child's time. Your "bowl of soup"
example is pretty trippy.
Lol
it's not acceptable to your
god. Your misinterpreted god. God
understand the value of life, and how
people are more worthy than
fetuses.
l.O.L!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you being serious?
Tell me for your sake that your joking!
I'm pretty sure .God does not feel that
any human is more "worthy" than another.
That's basic belief and knowledge! Have
you hit your head?!
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jenn_smithson
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Joined: 15 Nov 2004 Posts: 808 Location: Texas
Posted: 01-19-06 22:40pm
sunshine424
wrote:
of course .God understands
that things die. When it's your time, it
just is. But he does not understand
killing. He doesn't tolerate
that.
he seemed to have
tolerated it just fine when he was the one
commanding the killing. If you are going
to follow the bible or support it, then
you should take another look at how god is
portrayed in the old testament. And
don't forget to take special notice of the
instances where he, himself, commands the
killing of innocent women, children,
fetus', and animals.
Quote:
he forgives,
but killing is not acceptable to
.God.
so then is it only
"acceptable" when he commands the killing?
Does that mean that the crazy guy on the
corner who kills someone and claims that
god commanded him to is acceptable?
You don't get to pick and choose the
pieces of the bible that support you and
deny the rest and then turn around and
tell other people that what they believe
in is wrong.
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Posted: 01-19-06 23:09pm
jenn_smithson
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
of course .God understands
that things die. When it's your time,
it just is. But he does not understand
killing. He doesn't tolerate
that.
he seemed to have
tolerated it just fine when he was the one
commanding the killing. If you are
going to follow the bible or support it,
then you should take another look at how
god is portrayed in the old testament.
And don't forget to take special notice of
the instances where he, himself, commands
the killing of innocent women, children,
fetus', and animals.
Quote:
he forgives,
but killing is not acceptable to
.God.
so then is it only
"acceptable" when he commands the killing?
Does that mean that the crazy guy on
the corner who kills someone and claims
that god commanded him to is acceptable?
You don't get to pick and choose the
pieces of the bible that support you and
deny the rest and then turn around and
tell other people that what they believe
in is wrong.
yes jenn if god is the one commanding the
killing then it is acceptable. He is
.God. The crazy guy you describe claims
that god commanded but really god didn't
commanded. But if truly god had commanded
then yes it would be acceptable.
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jenn_smithson
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Posted: 01-20-06 00:51am
nightangel73
wrote:
jenn_smithson
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
of course .God understands
that things die. When it's your time,
it just is. But he does not understand
killing. He doesn't tolerate
that.
he seemed to have
tolerated it just fine when he was the one
commanding the killing. If you are
going to follow the bible or support it,
then you should take another look at how
god is portrayed in the old testament.
And don't forget to take special notice of
the instances where he, himself, commands
the killing of innocent women, children,
fetus', and animals.
Quote:
he forgives,
but killing is not acceptable to
.God.
so then is it only
"acceptable" when he commands the killing?
Does that mean that the crazy guy on
the corner who kills someone and claims
that god commanded him to is acceptable?
You don't get to pick and choose the
pieces of the bible that support you and
deny the rest and then turn around and
tell other people that what they believe
in is wrong.
yes jenn if god is the one commanding the
killing then it is acceptable. He is
.God. The crazy guy you describe claims
that god commanded but really god didn't
commanded. But if truly god had
commanded then yes it would be
acceptable.
?[/quote] then the
question still remains how do you tell the
acceptable killing from the unacceptable
killing if you are simply using the bible
as your guide?
The bible was written by human, fallible
men. To many in their time, they were the
crazy guys on the corner claiming
fantastical things about god. How can
one human claiming that they were
commanded by god be taken any more
seriously than another human claiming to
be commanded to a certain action by god?
And, not only did the god of the old
testament command people to kill whole
races but he also commanded lying,
blackmail, and thievery. His will be
done!
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-20-06 13:45pm
sunshine424
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
as for killing, god
understands that things die. In
buddhism, if a child dies, it was meant to
be (i don't believe in fate but I do
believe in the buddhist belief of
reincarnation, sort of). It's soul
just returns up to... Nirvana, like a
large pool of souls... But it's one
biiiig soul, like a big bowl of soup.
Little drops come out, expereince life as
humans, and then return to the big soul.
That's my belief anyway.
Souls cannot get "lost", or "wasted",
because they don't get a chance to live
life. They just go back up and wait
until the time is
right.
of course .God understands that things
die. When it's your time, it just is.
But he does not understand killing.
He doesn't tolerate that. He forgives,
but killing is not acceptable to .God.
If a child dies, it was the child's time,
but killing a child does not mean it was
the child's time. Your "bowl of soup"
example is pretty trippy.
Lol
it's not acceptable to your
god. Your misinterpreted god. God
understand the value of life, and how
people are more worthy than
fetuses.
l.O.L!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you being serious?
Tell me for your sake that your
joking!
I'm pretty sure .God does not feel that
any human is more "worthy" than another.
That's basic belief and knowledge! Have
you hit your
head?!
you have what you believe, I have what I
believe. If your god loves people and
hates death so much, why did he let the
dinosaurs die? Why is there diesease and
famine?
God isn't as involved in our lives as
you'd like to believe. He set up earth,
and maybe he tweaked something here or
there to make sure that all of the lucky
coincedences that were needed for us to
develop happened, but beyond that, he just
watches and doesn't interfere.
Or maybe, he made the universe with the
thought that "if I make billions of
planets, one of them is bound to develop
life." in fact, I bet a lot of planets
have life. We just have to find them.
I believe god (the collective soul I spoke
of) just watches us, and welcomes us back
whenever that happens to occour.
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Posted: 01-20-06 18:02pm
eiri
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
as for killing, god
understands that things die. In
buddhism, if a child dies, it was meant to
be (i don't believe in fate but I do
believe in the buddhist belief of
reincarnation, sort of). It's soul
just returns up to... Nirvana, like
a large pool of souls... But it's
one biiiig soul, like a big bowl of soup.
Little drops come out, expereince
life as humans, and then return to the big
soul. That's my belief anyway.
Souls cannot get "lost", or "wasted",
because they don't get a chance to live
life. They just go back up and wait
until the time is
right.
of course .God understands that things
die. When it's your time, it just is.
But he does not understand killing.
He doesn't tolerate that. He
forgives, but killing is not acceptable to
.God. If a child dies, it was the
child's time, but killing a child does not
mean it was the child's time. Your
"bowl of soup" example is pretty trippy.
Lol
it's not acceptable to your
god. Your misinterpreted god. God
understand the value of life, and how
people are more worthy than
fetuses.
l.O.L!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you being
serious? Tell me for your sake that
your joking!
I'm pretty sure .God does not feel that
any human is more "worthy" than another.
That's basic belief and knowledge!
Have you hit your
head?!
you have what you believe, I have what I
believe. If your god loves people and
hates death so much, why did he let the
dinosaurs die? Why is there diesease and
famine?
God isn't as involved in our lives as
you'd like to believe. He set up earth,
and maybe he tweaked something here or
there to make sure that all of the lucky
coincedences that were needed for us to
develop happened, but beyond that, he just
watches and doesn't interfere.
Or maybe, he made the universe with the
thought that "if I make billions of
planets, one of them is bound to develop
life." in fact, I bet a lot of planets
have life. We just have to find them.
I believe god (the collective soul I spoke
of) just watches us, and welcomes us back
whenever that happens to
occour.
how do you get that god isnt involved in
our lives as much as we'd like to believe
...??? Every single thing that happens
on earth...Happens because god made that
plan ...Birth,death,etc...All gods plan
..So I really dont understand how god's
not involved as much as we seem to think
he is...
