watch elizabethtown and THEN let me know what you think about being buddies with your children

OK Anyway, whoever says marijuana withdrawals aren't real then havent really smoke enough for their body to recognize that its missing something, So i've been smokin everyday for 7months...like at least 3 blunts a day and on weekends like 10 blunts with friends and caca, and i decided to quit because i needed to get a job and most jobs make you drop, so i quit weed and cigarettes on the same day and by the 4th day i had an anxiety panic attack, from like the 5th to 10th day i felt depression, for the first two weeks i had nightmares and now im just really irritated and nothing seems real, very paranoid about things for no damn reason, and its not addictive, i dont need it because when you are going through this, the last thing on your mind is smoking because u know if u smoke, you will have to go through it again, so might as well just go through it, but its been day 36 and i still have some withdrawals, mostly paranoia and feeling out of place and things seeming unreal, so if anyone knows how long this will last??, please help me out, and tell me what could help these withdrawals??, and its become so bad that its all I think about, so what can i do to get it off my mind??

sorry, but unlike you, i dont confuse movies/tv with real life.

sounds like your mind is not being occupied. Start occupying your mind with a hobbie or working out. I think working out right now would be perfect. Just give it a month and if you dont like it, then try something new. But learn to workout dont just do it.

I have all the same things your talking about and I hate to tell you this but it's still happening to me and it's been almost 8 months. I still have nightmares sometimes. If I drink alcohol I almost always have nightmares in the mornings. They are so real I don't even know if i'm asleep half the time. They usually are actually me in my bed and I just like see someone attacking me or something then I try and wake up it takes what seems like forever (probably only 15 seconds at most though) and nothing is there I hope in your case the withdrawls won't last this long though. Sound like you smoked about as heavy as me, but I did it for about 2 years. Got up to 3-4 grams a day sometimes up to 6 if I was smoking blunts and I honestly wish I could go back in time I would never touch the stuff this has been the worse time of my life. But you just gotta hang on. Working out seems to help, but my motivation is not very good right now so I don't do it enough, but when I do I seem better for a while. I'm wondering what kind of wierd dreams you all have cause I hear it's common for people to have these wierd dreams, but mine almost seem like a hallucination which just scares the hell out of me. I have not had this kind of thing happen outside of my bed so I'm hoping i'm actually asleep but it's truly hard to even tell. I was drinking lots of coffee for about 6 months while all this smoking was going on too i'm sure that didn't help. I actually had my first vivid nightmare/dream while I was still smoking, and it got so bad I decided to quit as well as for other reasons.

And yes I have all the mood swings and everything else you talked about, sometimes i'm out of it and it seems like the world is just not real, it's really wearing on me. My vision is terrible now I seem high even though I haven't smoked. Cars drive by and It looks like it's almost in frames as if I smoked a huge blunt...I really wish someone who has dealt with all the stuff I am would show up and say ya I got better eventually and you will to, but all the people who smoked as heavily as me still do =(

I quit exactly 1 week and 4 days ago. I have smoked for 6 years since I was 14. Almost every week. The longest I ever went without smoking since had been 3 weeks and I only quit because I was caught by my brother, afterwords, I was cornered by all my family and pretty much exercised. It blew but I did quit untill I just fell under peer pressure to smoke with my co-worker and manager while on the job. Since then my longest time quitting was 2-4 days. But this time around I tried a very new approach. I wanted to quit. I was having sexual problems, social problems, self-esteem problems, school, work, family, you name it, I had it. So immidiately after quitting, on the following Monday, I meet a very beautiful girl and I managed to carry on a good conversation, which I was incapable of when I smoked. Since then I have started talking to a whole lot of people. Anyways, I have gone through majority of withdrawals, I also got in a fight with some guys over some girls, even though I am a very calm guy. I sleep on avg. 3 hours a day now, and that is hell for me especially since I've doubled the amount of time at the gym to make up for so much time gained from quitting. All I can say guys, dont give up. You are gonna have some problems which you would have normally dealt with by smoking. The reality is, you never dealt with those problems. Now you are in a situation where you have no other choice but to face the problem and fix it or face the consequences and resist turning to marijuana to deal with it. Weed is very addictive. Not chemically but psychologically. So I wish you guys good luck. And keep in mind. Mind over matter. Stay strong.

Dude your so right. Especially the part about it's not chemically but psychologically. All it took was a good understanding of what was going on and things got so much better, and i'm stronger then ever. I was having panic attacks everyday. I would love to say your advice did it for me, but I had lots of people telling me this including my family. I have finally gotten over it all about 9 months after quitting. The mind is a powerful powerful thing. All the dreams have stopped. I was having what i thought was poor circulatation or maybe even worse things like schizophrenia (thought i was feeling things that weren't real), but was actually panic attacks causing blood to rush to the center of my body from all the stress I was dealing with in my own head from quitting pot. Which makes sense me because I have had high anxiety for my whole life and now have found plenty of real info that explains I shouldn't use things like pot it was not an addiction as much as just my already real problems being amplified. I still think pot is more dangerous then some will say, but it does depend on the person. anyone dealing with similar things please do your best to believe it is all in your head. Your brain really can control what you feel, and think is actually happening. Just think about how you find a cut or a bruise that you don't know how you got and once you know it's there it hurts...it's very similar. I will say this though I will never smoke pot after what I have gone through. I know i'm better of without it. Even if the withdrawls didn't happen. I remember what I was like on it. I didn't care while I was still doing it and made myself sure it was not like it really was, but I never want to be like that again. But to anyone still struggling stay strong and do your best to tell yourself it's in your head cause it is. I had to actually tell myself over and over that is was and It seemed stupid but it has worked! Also I really feel like I have more control of my life and any anxiety I had before this then I would have if I hadn't gone through it. It has forced me to learn to live with it and fix it. Good luck to alll you.

Just wanted to add my similar experience for those wishing to find comfort in shared experiences. Ill also add a few tips ive heard from doctors and friends.

I have smoked every day for 9 years ( with one 6 month break). I usually averaged about an O every 3-4 weeks of Nor Cal weed. Im on my 6th day of quitting and it is indeed harder than the last time I stopped. The 6 months was about 3 years ago and I am amazed at how much that three year period added to the difficulties in getting off of it. In short, go for the gold the first time around, it just gets harder.

I dont care what the cause of my symptoms are, night sweats, depression, passive suicidal thoughts, lack of motivation, boredom, frustration, lack of appetite, rage etc are all very very real. People are not hear to debate if its physical or mental, we are hear looking for support. The one guy that offered his key to success, "I just told myself it was all in my head." was great, he wasn't debating the issue, just offering what worked for him, thanks for the input. For those that are here to argue, please go away.

The hardest part of attempting to quit for me was the time frame. Other water soluble drugs can be flushed out of the body faster, but the way your body stores the toxins makes getting clean a very long process. I quit for 6 months before cold turkey and it took at least 4 months to get rid of all the symptoms. Even after that four months, I still craved the mind numbing relaxation that accompanied smoking. For the type of person that I am, very very very very intense, the calming effect was bliss. I am now searching for other ways to achieve that same sense of inner peace without altering reality, but instead learning to manage real life.

I found myself crying a few times in the past few days, im honestly not sure why, a part of me thinks its just my minds inability to deal with reality. Emotions are a strong thing and when confronted with unaltered emotions after years of dampening them, I was not prepared. My body needs to address emotions head on and these feelings may be pent up issues from years of substance abuse and the anxiety that surrounds the type of life you lead while addicted. I cant imagine that these fluctuations in emotions will last. I will soon develop the tools to cope with these emotions by actually thinking about them and letting my mind do what brains have done since we started developing as a species. REM sleep and or dreams are also a crucial part of analyzing things from our day that our mind needs to revisit and process, i havnt read any studies, but I truly believe i was inhibiting my minds ability to process emotions and experiences in a healthy way as it was meant to. This is a serious part of our mental workings and I cant believe I risked mental health to smoke pot.

For those looking for a natural high, work out! The body releases endorphins which have an OPIATE like effect on the body. For those that don't know, opiate like effect literally means it acts like opium or heroin(to a lesser degree). Personally im still in the depression/lack of drive phase, but I know from past attempts at quitting and from friends that getting HIGH from working out is a very real thing. If all else fails go run your ass off, or maybe cut your arm off severe pain causes the release of endorphins as well. My brother and I are both very addictive people. I chose drugs to quench my thirst, he chose working out. I have nothing to show for it, hes a ripped, healthy, active, positive person at Penn state on his way to being a doctor. Hmmmm which is the better drug O-o

"en·dor·phin (ěn-dôr'fĭn)
n. Any of a group of peptide hormones that bind to opiate receptors and are found mainly in the brain. Endorphins reduce the sensation of pain and affect emotions. "

What luck, we can actually get a sense of euphoria similar to taking drugs, just from working out. The best part is that exercise may (pretty much a sure thing) help your appetite, sex drive, decrease detox duration, relieve some physical pain and even build some self confidence or gratification from being healthier. I dont know about anyone else, but my least favorite part of being ON pot, was a decreased sex drive. To think of all those nights i turned down romance and connection with another to "smoke pot at night and watch DVDs" That was pretty much my life as well.

Ok im just gonna keep writing because its making me feel better

For all those smart people out there that think pot enhances their mental abilities or makes them better at , just imagine what you could do with a clear mind. Its a fact that THC migrates to the fat in the brain, it even clogs the little circuits that run in our brain (synapses?). Just imagine what we might accomplish if we allow our brains to reach their full potential. Quick minded people gravitate towards pot, ironic i know, because it can calm the neurotic part of our brains, allowing us to actually relax, or be brain dead. I keep telling myself that I can do great things if I allow myself to reach my full potential, im excited to see if this is indeed true.

OK im done, thanks for giving me a place to express what Im going through. Many of your posts were very helpful and I thank you.

Good Luck peeps!

After getting bronchitus and having to stop smoking like usual i had a terrible withdrawal. Girlfriend you are misinformed if you are quoting the "establishement doctorine" I had pains all in my body that felt almost like a heartattack. I kept coughing up stuff for A MONTH - which was me cleansing gunk out of myself. I'm a full on organic crunchy chick and eat healthy and do everything to be well. There are horrible physical side affects - and any conscious person knows the difference when they feel it. For you all working through the slowing down period having sleep problems - try a homeopathic valarian/ melitonin blend. It was very restoritive and it will heal you. The lack of sleep can cause serious depression and anxiety. BUt don't go cold turkey - because there are physical side effects - much like the man said it acts as an opiate and will numb you - so pains you might not have felt, old injuries, ect will suddenly appear - because they were being covered up before with the pain killing aspect of maryjane. Just be kind, go slow, I guess a little bit is the way to go with all drugs....but for depression - remember cannabis has an amazing spiritual connective quality that raises your frequency closer to the divine source energy - so of course it's a quick fix as a buffer against a cold cruel world. Just remember what starts out as an ally can turn to an enemy if overused....good luck and i think it helps of you take up a new hobbie that thrills your spirit and moves your body toward overall better health/mind/body/spirit....

Not sure who the people here think of themselves as GOD......but it is possible to be a Mother and a best friend..............my daughter and I have been in this relationship for 24 years. I tried to shiled awway the bad parts of life when she was little, but as she grew and developed she sknoew she could come and asl her mother and find the truth........................My Mother is 71 and she is my Mother and my best freind.......................who could askfor better trust or advice????????????????

There is a lot of misinformation in this thread. Most of the links posted are 3rd party, with typos, some printed by students in colleges taking classes in health education. For instance:


How its supposed to read:

These typos are EVERYWHERE. Do you know why? because its caca. There are no facts, no references, nothing. its just caca that someone jotted from their head without research.

I, on the other hand, have done my research.
Lets start with this:
The DEAS Administrative Law Judge,
Francis Young, concluded:

In strict medical terms, marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume. For example, eating 10 raw potatoes can result in a toxic response.

By comparison, it is physically impossible to eat enough marijuana to induce death. Marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man.

Drug enforcement agency, "In the matter of Marijuana Rescheduling Petition"
September 6, 1988, p.57
Docket #86-22

The guy who quoted that in 1988 was the administrative JUDGE for the drug enforcement agency.
THATS how you supply factual information: with a reference and a date.
Alot of the info you see on the web is outdated.


How about WHY is marijuana illegal to begin with? WHY DOES IT COST MONEY? Why isn't it like cigarette's, available on every corner?

-excerpts from Harry J. Anslinger's testimony before Congress in 1937, when marijuana was made illegal based on these testimonies


"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others."

"...the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races."

"Smoke a joint and you'll likely kill your brother.

-excerpts from Harry J. Anslinger's testimony before Congress in 1937

As a side note, Anslinger wrote numerous "papers" outlining that the reason that marijuana was the "Devil's Crop", because when jazz musicians smoked it time was distorted and they were able to fit in extra notes in their music. This of course was unnatural, therefore the work of Satan.

See you guys probably dont remember a time when it was legal, and its probably been pounded into your brains that its SO bad over the years with school and d.a.r.e. and all that other caca they feed kids these days.

The fact is, and no one can argue with this, I dont care who you are, president of the united states, whatever, the plain fact of the matter is YOU are responsible for your own body and what you put in it. That said, who gets to tell you whats safe and what isnt? They let us poison ourselves with cigs and alcohol, which even the DEA agrees is far worse than Marijuana. what. I can legally go to a bar and legally drink myself to death in one night but If I am caught with 1 gram of marijuana I go to jail?

I love the anti drug slogans.
" If you buy a joint...you are promoting TERRORISM!"
It should read:
"If you buy a joint... you are helping your supplier to pay his car insurance! and house payments! " I know MANY growers where I live. They are regular people like you and me, not terrorists. And when they get busted, for non-violent crime (growing some plants?) they are thrown in jail with the murders, and rapists, robbers, criminals of all kinds. And heres this guy who is only guilty of growing some plants in his house,
oh and heres the best part: He gets a harsher sentence for growing than the murderers and rapists do. I could grand theft auto attempted homicide in my state, and be out in less time, with less of a fine, than if I grew ONE SINGLE MARIJUANA PLANT. Tell me thats not messed up.

Talk to a coke addict. then talk to another one. ask as many as you want, they will all explain REAL addiction... and in the same way. Same goes for any REAL addicting drug in the world...

It isnt anything like that for MJ, because there is no such thing as a dependency on THC, or anything in Marijuana for that matter.

There was even a legal drug made from 100% synthetic THC, its called "Marinol" and was used to help treat cancer patients!


I find it hard to believe the DEA allows 100% THC in the form of a pill to be issued out and at the same time you hear claims that ""Parents are often unaware that today's marijuana is different from that of a generation ago, with potency levels 10 to 20 times stronger than the marijuana with which they were familiar."
-- U.S. Drug Czar John P. Walters, The Myth of 'Harmless' Marijuana, Washington Post, May 1, 2002, p.A25 "


More info:
http://www.briancbennett.com/history/excer pts/thc-content.htm

Lets go one step further- THC is not the only item in MJ that gets you high. This is fact. not every plant contains the same things! marijuana is the most diverse plant on the planet to date. Its landrace varieties are found on every single continent, (besides freezing where no plants grow) in nearly every climate, and its always a different "strain" of plant, totally independent of all others. It grows from seed to maturity in just 3 months! some finish in 2! Trees (for instance the ones used to make paper) take YEARS to reach maturity for paper production. YEARS. A single marijuana plant can provide years worth of paper in just 3 months!

the declaration of independence is written on paper made from marijuana!


Now to the meat and potatoes. I've been smoking for 10 years. Im 31.
I've had to stop plenty of times, either because I was moving or couldnt get it for reason, or was on a business trip. I am what I consider successful, I have more than one house, many cars, I am no millionaire but I have saved up enough to live comfortably and I still take business trips. Never has marijuana come between me and my business. thats not because it couldn't; its because I wouldn't let it. I know the difference between being a medical question off and a productive person. I think whats happening here is lazy ass people shouldn't be smoking MJ.
If you live at home with your parents (i.e. no real bills to pay) and have no responsibility whatsoever, then smoking weed is the worst possible thing you could do. Why? Its primary purpose is to get high. And when you are high, if you were already a lazy medical question to begin with, your just going to be an even MORE lazy medical question when your high. Your going to eat junk food, not exercise, sit in front of the TV/computer and vegetate. You know its true! The ones that work for a living, and support their families, that aren't lazy and do actual productive things, should consider their health as the culprit, I guarantee with 100% fact the problems you face are only related to marijuana in that you let it get that way to begin with. No one has these problems with their bodies without due reason and its not because there is THC in your body~ if anything the THC was responsible for keeping you on your feet the whole time. Now you just feel like crap because thats how you let yourself get!


So lets take MJ out of the equation for a split second. If you spent your time in front of a TV constantly, ate junk food, and didnt get any exercise, I Would feel like complete caca too! who wouldnt! How many of these smokers experiencing this "withdrawal" symptoms maintain healthy productive lifestyles of their own, especially while high? and you know damn well if you smoke a lot and get high alot your going to be sitting on your ass all the damn time doing nothing. this is far more dangerous to your health than the actual smoking habit! Especially the junk food! Obesity in America kills enough as it is.


I have to stop smoking for 6 weeks at a time out of every other year for my job. That means I get 1.3 years of steady daily smoking, then I have to stop for 6 weeks to go on a business trip. I've never had a problem leaving it and forgetting about it till I got back. The ONLY thing I note is that my tolerance to marijuana will subside during the 6 week "sober" period, and I wind up using far less of it when I get back than normal.



if I sit down and smoke MJ every minute of everyday I am the one responsible when I wake up the next morning and realize I didnt get anything done the day before, and now i feel like caca from eating all that junk and sitting in a chair all day. I have done this before, but not smoking, playing video games! EXAMINE YOUR LIFE STYLE.

Marijuana is nothing more than a hobby. its about as addictive as video games. When I stop playing world of warcraft I also get "withdrawal" symptoms, similar to what you all describe. vivid dreams of playing WoW in my brain, cold sweats at night thinking about epics. Its silly, really is, to compare this to an actual addiction. go smoke coke for a week then tell me how you feel. Marijuana is more harmless than potatoes, even the DEA says so, get a grip, exercise, eat right, you wont have a problem putting off Marijuana.

Don't believe me? Talk to THOUSANDS of growers/smokers around the world:
http://www.icmag.com/
https://www.cannabis-world.org/cw/
http://www.hg420.com/
http://forum.grasscity.com/marijuana-growi ng/
http://forum.cannabis-seeds.cc/index.php?s =e98a5787bf12b683ac26a10dc6817cc9&act= SC&c=3/

And I am not a clouded person. I've got a degree in mechanical engineering, and didn't even use it in life, because I didn't have to. I started and ran my own business, work 70 hours a week to maintain it, and marijuana has not slowed me down one bit in the 13 years I've been working at it. You have to use common sense. I dont go to work stoned off my ass. I didnt pass my final exam stoned either. You cant be unrealistic and expect to be able to function normally in life if you run around high!
I Properly enjoy coming home after a hard day of work and being able to take a hit, relax, and have a good night and a good sleep. I wouldnt be able to do that WITHOUT marijuana.

In fact, I believe some have already discovered their "withdrawal" symptoms to be nothing more than "reality". Marijuana was just helping them cope with their problems, mentally. Its all up in your head. The difference from drug USE to drug ABUSE is where your lifestyle comes into play. When I get up in the morning, I dont take a hit and watch TV, I workout, cook breakfast, do my dishes, and get my ass to my shop before 8AM so I can start my business up for the day. Stop blaming marijuana for your problems. If you have a problem getting motivated then you need to find another hobby, or stop using it so much. Even though it cant kill you, Anything in huge amounts is not good for your body. Eat apples, everyday, as much as you smoked MJ, for as long as you smoked MJ, then suddenly stop one day. Wheres my apple? (cold sweats break out)

Ill leave you with one last thing.
http://www.world-mysteries.com/marijuana1. htm

* All schoolbooks were made from hemp or flax paper until the 1880s; Hemp Paper Reconsidered, Jack Frazier, 1974.

* It was LEGAL TO PAY TAXES WITH HEMP in America from 1631 until the early 1800s; LA Times, Aug. 12, 1981.

* REFUSING TO GROW HEMP in America during the 17th and 18th Centuries WAS AGAINST THE LAW! You could be jailed in Virginia for refusing to grow hemp from 1763 to 1769; Hemp in Colonial Virginia, G. M. Herdon.

* George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers GREW HEMP; Washington and Jefferson Diaries. Jefferson smuggled hemp seeds from China to France then to America.

* Benjamin Franklin owned one of the first paper mills in America and it processed hemp. Also, the War of 1812 was fought over hemp. Napoleon wanted to cut off Moscow's export to England; Emperor Wears No Clothes, Jack Herer.

* For thousands of years, 90% of all ships' sails and rope were made from hemp. The word 'canvas' is Dutch for cannabis; Webster's New World Dictionary.

* 80% of all textiles, fabrics, clothes, linen, drapes, bed sheets, etc. were made from hemp until the 1820s with the introduction of the cotton gin.

* The first Bibles, maps, charts, Betsy Ross's flag, the first drafts of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were made from hemp; U.S. Government Archives.

* The first crop grown in many states was hemp. 1850 was a peak year for Kentucky producing 40,000 tons. Hemp was the largest cash crop until the 20th Century; State Archives.

* Oldest known records of hemp farming go back 5000 years in China, although hemp industrialization probably goes back to ancient Egypt.

* Rembrants, Gainsboroughs, Van Goghs as well as most early canvas paintings were principally painted on hemp linen.

* In 1916, the U.S. Government predicted that by the 1940s all paper would come from hemp and that no more trees need to be cut down. Government studies report that 1 acre of hemp equals 4.1 acres of trees. Plans were in the works to implement such programs; Department of Agriculture

* Quality paints and varnishes were made from hemp seed oil until 1937. 58,000 tons of hemp seeds were used in America for paint products in 1935; Sherman Williams Paint Co. testimony before Congress against the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act.

* Henry Ford's first Model-T was built to run on hemp gasoline and the CAR ITSELF WAS CONTRUCTED FROM HEMP! On his large estate, Ford was photographed among his hemp fields. The car, 'grown from the soil,' had hemp plastic panels whose impact strength was 10 times stronger than steel; Popular Mechanics, 1941.

* Hemp called 'Billion Dollar Crop.' It was the first time a cash crop had a business potential to exceed a billion dollars; Popular Mechanics, Feb., 1938.

* Mechanical Engineering Magazine (Feb. 1938) published an article entitled 'The Most Profitable and Desirable Crop that Can be Grown.' It stated that if hemp was cultivated using 20th Century technology, it would be the single largest agricultural crop in the U.S. and the rest of the world.

The following information comes directly from the United States Department of Agriculture's 1942 14-minute film encouraging and instructing 'patriotic American farmers' to grow 350,000 acres of hemp each year for the war effort:

'...(When) Grecian temples were new, hemp was already old in the service of mankind. For thousands of years, even then, this plant had been grown for cordage and cloth in China and elsewhere in the East. For centuries prior to about 1850, all the ships that sailed the western seas were rigged with hempen rope and sails. For the sailor, no less than the hangman, hemp was indispensable...

...Now with Philippine and East Indian sources of hemp in the hands of the Japanese...American hemp must meet the needs of our Army and Navy as well as of our industries...

...the Navy's rapidly dwindling reserves. When that is gone, American hemp will go on duty again; hemp for mooring ships; hemp for tow lines; hemp for tackle and gear; hemp for countless naval uses both on ship and shore. Just as in the days when Old Ironsides sailed the seas victorious with her hempen shrouds and hempen sails. Hemp for victory!'

Certified proof from the Library of Congress; found by the research of Jack Herer, refuting claims of other government agencies that the 1942 USDA film 'Hemp for Victory' did not exist.

Hemp cultivation and production do not harm the environment. The USDA Bulletin #404 concluded that hemp produces 4 times as much pulp with at least 4 to 7 times less pollution. From Popular Mechanics, Feb. 1938:

'It has a short growing season...It can be grown in any state...The long roots penetrate and break the soil to leave it in perfect condition for the next year's crop. The dense shock of leaves, 8 to 12 feet above the ground, chokes out weeds.
...hemp, this new crop can add immeasurably to American agriculture and industry.'

In the 1930s, innovations in farm machinery would have caused an industrial revolution when applied to hemp. This single resource could have created millions of new jobs generating thousands of quality products. Hemp, if not made illegal, would have brought America out of the Great Depression.

William Randolph Hearst (Citizen Kane) and the Hearst Paper Manufacturing Division of Kimberly Clark owned vast acreage of timberlands. The Hearst Company supplied most paper products. Patty Hearst's grandfather, a destroyer of nature for his own personal profit, stood to lose billions because of hemp.

In 1937, Dupont patented the processes to make plastics from oil and coal. Dupont's Annual Report urged stockholders to invest in its new petrochemical division. Synthetics such as plastics, cellophane, celluloid, methanol, nylon, rayon, Dacron, etc., could now be made from oil. Natural hemp industrialization would have ruined over 80% of Dupont's business.


aha, one last thing. quotes from the Bible:



Cannabis was used 12 ways: clothing, paper, cord, sails, fishnet, oil, sealant, incense, food, and in ceremony, relaxation and medicine.



more info:
http://www.equalrights4all.org/religious/b ible.htm

Ive been smoking weed for about 12 years.Its the first thing Ive tried and now the last thing I have to give up. Im also on methadone for Opiate addiction (80 mlg's a day). I never thought quitting smoking weed would be so hard. I also dident think there were withdrawls from weed but I was wrong about that as well. This is my second day without it and Im shaky,restless,cant keep anything down,etc. Ive done so many drugs and they have ruined my life but I always said that there was nothing wrong with having a puff every now and then.But 7-8 joints a day is not every now and then and I cant make myself believe that it is anymore.I spend 40 dollers every 2 days on it....and i dont have alot of money.Im not working or anything,just waiting to go back to school. And because of all the weed I smoke I spit up that much caca its not even funny.I mean this is nuts what Im coughing up all the time. I know people who smoke a pack of cigarettes a day and dont cough up nothing like this....Ive also recently gotten acid reflux and I dident think it had anything to do with me smoking weed but I just read a post from someone els and they said they have acid reflux bacause of smoking weed.Mayby thats why I have it too....I dident think it would be this hard and I thought the methadone would help but its not.....mayby its just in my head...I dont know anymore.....this is tougher than I ever thought it would be but I have 2 do it.I dont know if I should have weened myseld down instead of just stopping all together or not.I want to go get something so bad but I know I have to do this and I really want to!!I just pray to God he'll give me the strength again.If it wasent for him Id still be shooting up all day long and eating pills all the time.

marijuana is like smoking cigarettes.
its harmless compared to all the other drugs out there.
but...if you're having withdrawls...all i have to ask is how much do you smoke a day???

Weed is one of those drugs where it gives you that little mellow high
How long have you been smoking for?
i've been smoking weed for 3 years now, i get some cravings for it now and then, but i can go a few days without it. i just keep myself busy.
maybe you should try that too so it gets the thought of smoking weed off your mind

I was definitely one of those who would have said that Weed was a non-addictive drug. I treated it like the gospel, constantly telling everyone to smoke, or smoke more, smoking as much as I could myself. Now I find that it is addictive. I only smoked smoked for about 6 months, but I hit it f*@*king hard as is the common expression down here in Australia, smoking at my peak probably a deal a day. That's not including what I borrowed, pinched etc. for the sake of "expanding my mind" which I truly believed it was doing. I had originally taken a short break for the sake of my singing voice, and I am having visual lag, intense depression, INTENSE anxiety, sleeplessness, heart palpitations (you have no idea how bad, BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM it freaks the sh*t out of me, its like my hearts gonna wear out) and mild appetite loss. I have decided to quit permanently, I can assure you all that I am not convincing myself of these symptoms, as I am one of the most level-headed, non-depressing, happy, secure people I know, or at least I was, before I smoked pot. Now I freak out when I'm by myself, watching lights, I constantly fret about whether or not I'm going insane, it's awful. I would recommend to any pothead to moderate their intake. It's not worth doing what I did, the pot doesn't do anything to you anyway because you're so tolerant, and when you quit no doctor can help you because there is caca-all research done on weed. This site reassured me that I was not in fact going insane when I read other's symptoms which indeed matched my own. Could the wankers who go on about the "fact" that weed's not addictive please give it a rest, the brain gains tolerance to endorphins, anandamide and aceylcholine when you pump it full of THC. You can't say that a drug like weed is non-addictive if you know anything about neuropharmacology. Sure, some people would have less symptoms, and weed is not as habit-forming as say cigarettes or Heroin, but when you upset your natural balance to the extent that hard-core stoners like myself have, your body has to compensate when if/when you wisen up. I'm not preaching that everyone should be a teetotaller, nothing wrong with occasional partying! Just don't f*%ck yourself over, because from my point of view having come out the other side, it's SOOO not worth it. If anyone wants to email me, I'd be glad to chat, I know it's been hard for me, and talking about it chills me out a heap. Also, my symptoms are slowly withering, so don't anyone freak out that they don't go away, but from my experience, they persist for a while, more than a month in my case. I was reading on the internet that it usuallyu takes about 3 months!

hi i'm new to this been smoking pot every day for the past 22 years and now having to give up for the sake of my chest . Ive been addicted to many drugs over the years and managed to kick them in the end except pot over the years ive become more and more withdrawn i stopped 2 days ago and my mental state is getting rather bad now plus sweating and lack of sleep aint helping im just hoping the state of my chest will give me the kick up the bum i need to finally quit.hope you all manage it to.

The only thing I feel when I don't is a lack of ability to sleep. To me, its odd that you feel anxious when you don't smoke. I feel anxious when I DO smoke. I guess its different for everyone!

its been 3 days since i stopped smoking it and to be honnest i think its like a mild heroin come down i really wish this would end i need to feel better to get on with my life.

hey all, congrats if u'r reading this as it means u've taken the 1st step in realising u have a problem & that its time to come off weed!
I have been reading some of the posts & some of u guys r going thru sum nasty withdrawals but stick with it guys coz it gets easier with time. I have been smoking for the past 7yrs, averaging say 10-15 cones per day.
A few yrs ago i came off rehab drugs for heroin & honestly, coming off weed is a doing it walk thru the park compared to that...i guess in my head i was always worried that coming off weed would give me the same withdrawal symptoms as smack but after day 4 of not smoking its not too bad so far.
What's doing my head in is no sleep- i've contemplated sleeping pills & booze but i keep telling myself that im trying to clean up my act,not just get another addiction. Today is the worse day for me so far- i feel like my skeleton wants to jump outa my skin..have no energy, am irritable & just generally feel like caca. But the thing that keeps me going is that at the end of the day wats worse- going thru a few weeks of crap sleep, being snappy & no appetite or spending the rest of my life as an addict?
also, to those contemplating "weaning off", that was the advice my rehab doctor gave me too- after 3yrs of being on "weaning off" medication, something clicked in my head & i just stopped...(funny thing was i only used smack for a few months then got hooked on that bup crap-go figure) i guess what i'm trying to get across is that, eventually u will go cold turkey & personally i think weaning is just a way of making it ok to smoke
just think about the reason u wana quit in the 1st place & let that be ur inspiration to be strong & persevere with it
good luck <3

Question for the girlfriend- have u ever actually been on weed? smoked in day in & out for yrs on end? Obviously from ur posts i take it u haven't.

Studies- most studies r written by people that have prob never even touched so much as a glass of wine. If you were full of THC, tI wonder if you'd tell me theres no physical dependancy

WOW. I have quit smoking weed a number of times and it hasn't caused anything like this! Quitting alcohol did, though. I would wake up in the middle of the night and it seemed as if I was, I don't know, floating around in a world which I was just barely connected to. I think it is the harsh reality of actually being in the world that is bearing down on you like a speeding train. When I first smoked weed I remember going into daydream land and then coming back and being surprised and saying, "WOW! I'm....... here!" It was just unbelievable to me that I was here, now, in this body, in this world, in this universe! I think you are experiencing a reverse effect. You are coming out of lala land and you are now back in the world and it is hard for you to grasp.

I think you are beginning to see life for what it actually is but your mind is not ready for it. The best thing to do is just relax! Look around and tell yourself that there is nothing wrong with what is going on in your life because THERE ISN'T! EVERYTHING IS FINE! Take each craving, strange sensation, withdrawal symptom and look at every one of them as a little bump in the road, not as a crossroad where one way is back to pot and the other is back to sobriety. You are now sober and going back is not an option, if this desision is real in your mind, make it real in your life or it will never be so. Do you want it? THEN TAKE IT! IT IS YOURS!